I prefer Gnome for my laptop, partly because it has a touchscreen. KDE i prefer for my desktop. So. Having them at parity would be amazing, though a minor thing overall.
GNOME is basically missing basic desktop functions for me without making several changes with dconf and extensions and they seem to continuously break every release and I have to find some way to fix the complete dealbreakers in a desktop. Its so annoying because, when I do get it finally working perfectly, its great, then 6 months later is all messed up again. KDE just keeps working, always works, and has all the basic functionality built in that any desktop should have.
I felt that... I use GNOME as well, but having extensions, gsettings and Nautilus settings radically change every 6 months is so incredibly frustrating.
and unironically kde is better at theming gtk apps then gnome is lol. I don't i am the only one who had gnome apps not even following light/dark theme (let's not even talk about actual themes. gtk theming is a css mess lol)
Ironically, in the couple months I mained Pop!_OS Gnome I have done more tinkering with my environment than I have in the ~3y of using Sway on Arch. Mainly due to extensions and out of data software.
@@no_name4796 Well, customization isn't really a selling point for me. Most GNOME users don't care about theming enough and like the UI as is. I want to spend less time tinkering and more time getting stuff done on my machine. I just wish for a more stable UI toolkit that builds upon itself instead of radically changing everything.
It's great to have choice. KDE was too convoluted & many options for me. I decided on GNOME 5 years ago and stuck with it. I don't want to rice my system, I just want to use it and I don't care about loads of options that I won't use, that's why I like GNOME, it does all I need without any fussing. Furthermore, I get you can quite likely use KDE simply, but I just didn't take to it.
KDE is my jam! I love customising things and found Gnome to be kinda dull and lifeless until you start adding extentions but even then it just didn't feel as intuitive. With KDE I felt like I immediately knew how to use it. Also have XFCE on my laptop.
I accidentally installed GNOME Fedora on my PC. I actually planning to use Fedora KDE. But when I start to use it, my multi tasking become 10x to 20x better and comfortable. I can easily switch to multiple Desktop to do various stuff, like Programming, Reading Documentation, using AI chat bots, messaging on social media, even listening to UA-cam Playlist simultaneously. We have also multiple Desktop on KDE. But you can just hold Super and pag up page down or scroll wheel on the mouse to change desktops.
KDE is definitely ahead in a lot of areas like VRR and HDR support. Until recently Gnome didn't have VRR support. That's why I picked it and I personally prefer it over Gnome.
I like KDE Plasma, the issue however is Wayland has been iffy on it but this has improved recently. Also, KDE Plasma is straight up garbage on LTS distros. KDE update a lot and they fix a lot of things, but LTS users (Mint users, Kubuntu "It works so I use it" users, etc) do not see these updates I think until way later unless I am mistaken. This gives KDE Plasma kind of a bad rep. It broke CONSTANTLY on this same machine I am on right now when I was using Nobara with it and also was a laggy mess on openSUSE Tumbleweed. But now I am on Arch (btw) and it's smooth as silk, barely crashes and when it does it's not consistent enough to be an issue. I deduced very quickly that aside from Tumbleweed, this was a LTS issue and it just added onto my hatred of LTS, personally. Like most of my issues with Linux turned out to be because of the slow release schedule of these distros.
I used KDE Plasma for a long while, but recently I moved to gnome, cause I do appreciate the simplicity of it. KDE has a lot of features that i don't use and will never use, but the things that I personally think lack in gnome, I can easily add. Both are really good and I'd love to see them both progress and be seen as equal, just for different people.
So KDE needs to be like Gnome until it can't afford to be like Gnome. Meaning that features should be defaulted but allow the curious to expand their exposure without making it hard or impossible. Like a level setting.
I have tried both GNOME and KDE but I keep coming back to my bspwm. It just feels the easiest and most intuitive to use for me personally. But, if I had to choose between them I'd pick KDE only because it feels the smoother than GNOME on my potato PC. Even though I prefer GNOME's out-of-the-box experience more.
I think that Fedora is making decisions that have to be made by the users. In Linux, the default desktop environment is a choice that the users have to make, because that’s the look and the feeling of their OS. Personally, I switched from KDE and GNOME a bunch of times, but I ended up going with XFCE. And, most importantly, I switched to Arch, so I and me only can decide what DE I want
Gnome feels so close to being perfect, it's very streamlined, but it's also just horrible for customizing and theming. Sure there's plugins, but they tend to be jank workarounds that break on a regular basis. Meanwhile KDE tends to just break more in general from my experiences, but is much more feature complete. Their default settings are far from sane, but they're leagues better than Windows at least. Im riding on Cosmic being the middle ground that is missing from the DE space. Sure Cinnamon exists, but it lacks Wayland support.
There is also Cinnamon and Mate which are alternative versions of Gnome but with the more traditional Windows 7 style appearance. Much easier for new users coming over to Linux from Windows to get along with.
@@nezunskyfire292 I don't use Wayland although Cinnamon,Gnome and KDE do have this option at login. The reason is I find that some of the web cam and screen recording software doesn't work in Wayland. It only works on X11. Other users have found the same thing which is why Wayland is not ready for full time use yet.
@@nezunskyfire292 I don't use Wayland even though there is an option at login Well there is with Cinnamon, Gnome and KDE desktops. The reason is that the video software and screen recorders don't work on Wayland. They only work on X11.
Difficult to find settings in KDE Plasma? You haven't been on Windows in a long LONG time have you? KDE Plasma's a dream scenario for ease of use with finding settings.
I started Linux on Unity. And when Ubuntu dropped it for Gnome wasn't a great difference. Two years ago then I tried Plasma, and it is fantastic, although I still make it look like Unity :) with the left-side application-bar, the top menu and the global menu as well.
I'm in a similar boat. I started on Gnome 2, and initially hated the current to Unity, but soon came to jive with it. Ever since canonical trashed it, I've been re-creating the look and feel on other DEs. Like you have experienced, Plasma can get you about 95% the way there, I haven't found another DE that lets me get that close.
I went straight to gnome on fedora 36 and felt is was such a breeze and breathe of fresh air. Coming from Win10 and never too a second though at KDE since I always like the layoutof Mac OS but never wants the bugginess of the OS and the proprietariness of it and the lack basic features that even windows comes with like a window manager. I have since tried KDE on more than one occasion but have found myself just trying to get it to look like gnome but it never works
@@alexstone691 I don't have exact bugs. SFTP share time outs, default Firefox becoming unusable (media codec issue), Firmware updates being larger than the partition space it created. Spotify not loading. Just a series of annoyances. I installed Linux Mint and will daily drive that at work for a bit.
Some of the issues happened in KDE gnome too, but not all of them (FTP timeout for example). Fedora is a great project. I just had to uninstall it to get my work done properly.
I actually very rarely use the desktop at work, since most of my time is spent on the command line and I've slowly just moved to neovim for code editing and IDE. So, I don't actually look for customizations and other tweaks on my personal workstation that has a desktop environment. Basically, I'm probably someone who wouldn't mind the Gnome workflow and definitely doesn't need all the customizations that kde offers, but I've been happily using kde for more than half a decade now and have no plans to switch. I switched over from xfce around 2018 or so. Fedora's KDE spin is nearly perfect
I switched from GNOME to KDE due to fractional scaling, blurry XWayland windows, and GTK4 issues. Many things in Wayland are broken in GNOME, and fractional scaling makes them worse. I don’t need cloud storage access or calendar syncing in the file manager, as the browser and phone are enough. KDE offers better stability, while GNOME provides a fancier experience.
KDE for me feels like the only fully featured DE on Linux, it gives you control over almost everything on your computer with standardised UI elements and Gnome doesn't cut it for my workflow even with extensions. I don't really use integrations though, I need an Office 365 sub for work related reasons but I just use a rclone script to mount the included Onedrive cloud on startup and that's it. I will say Plasma designers could use some lessons on interface consistency and design - there's way too many unnecessary horizontal and vertical lines everywhere some of which even theming can't get rid of.
Accounts is one of the 2 big strengths of gnome, the other one is the workflow of the shell. But, the file manager is simply embarrassing poor of functionality, some things (like icons) look like 30 years old, you need extensions with possible breaks for basic things, 4 (four!) clicks to shutdown the pc... And so much more. KDE is not perfect by all means, but they don't take absurd decisions just 'cause! A good middle ground between the two worlds is cinnamon. Offer better looks than gnome, is solid, has many integrated features but not as many as plasma. It excels in easy of use for about everything, without any peak like gnome or plasma.
one of the biggest selling points for nixos for me is how I can switch desktops whenever I want by changing a single line in my config, and I can use the same settings and theming on both
I feel like this video doesn't really talk about the Fedora KDE as much as it's just being another KDE vs GNOME video. I didn't like how the title and thumbnail focused on _Fedora_ KDE but the actual video didn't feel like it delivered on that.
Gnome was my go to as I initially didn’t like KDE, but now regularly use KDE thanks to the Steam Deck. And lots has changed since KDE 5 to 6 in a year, and it keeps getting better. I get the online connectivity features and apps in Gnome. But KDE somehow doesn’t come in the way, and fits into my workflow. It works very well with Arch. I honestly thought Cinnamon was going to be the better DE, but I feel it is outdated now. That said, I might just give Gnome and Cinnamon another visit.
KDE runs kinda good nowadays with wayland and games... but yeah, everything else, there is always something that EFFS around and has issues. After every bigger update there is always something not working as before. basically really every time over the last 2 years I tried to use KDE over GNOME as main DE. KDE has lots of stuff that is cool and that I miss in GNOME, for sure. But I almost never have any big issues when using GNOME wayland over the last years. Maybe because their approach is simpler than KDE. I dont know. Ressource usage of the DE doesnt matter to me with todays hardware we use for gaming etc. it doesnt make any difference at the end of the day outside of some benchmark numbers maybe. The workflow and smoothness in GNOME is still unmatched. KDE is way too much Windows like. And guess what, I dont like Windows. So, there is that.
KDE and GNOME have different use cases for me. I use GNOME on my 2 in 1 touchscreen laptop because its layout and touch gestures are far better for a device that I often use as a tablet. I don't find it super appealing personally but it really works for this use case of mine; I think it's a great DE that is super cohesive and does what it wants to do well. As for KDE, it's what got me out of Windows as its look and interface is familiar (and imo quite polished and nice looking) coming from Windows 10, and I was drawn to how thorough and powerful it is. I like its "simple by default, powerful when needed" design philosophy. KDE holds a special place in my heart and it's what I use on my non touchscreen laptop. It's wonderful to see both of these amazing desktops continuing to get better every day :)
Cannonical could offer an official version of Ubuntu with KDE. Nothing against Fedora, but just like Gnome and Mate, Cannonical puts a certain amount of care into making DE the face of the operating system.
why so? fedora does not ship with custom theming or tweaks in either gnome or kde. It is a very stock and vanilla experience. They have a good integration with gnome software/plasma discover
After a lot of distro hoping I am currently using Ubuntu. I gotta say that Ubuntu gave me the worst experience especially with snaps. So I thought of switching back to fedora. But I am still confused whether to wait for KDE or just hop back in the Gnome version.
I'm gonna try out Arch with hyprland. I used to switch between gnome and KDE, but had some issues occure with it while having installed both simultaneously and switching between them. This might be due to Wayland but i'm not sure. Did you ever have some problems with multiple environments installed?
I would strongly reccommend not installing multiple de's, all the config files and apps clash together causing tons of problems. It's much better to have only one at a time imo.
Some are not compatible with one another if they are based off each other. Some Desktop Environments branched from old Gnome releases for example and might use the same config files
Are there any basic official and most used applications which work in both Gnome and KDE? For example gedit, Nautilus, transmission etc... OR is there a way to have both KDE and Gnome installed above Ubuntu without any conflicts in complete isolation to both desktop envs? So that one can switch easily between any desktop environments?
I use arch I really like KDE. But I keep coming back to Gnome, just because it's simple, beautiful, everything except fractional scaling works great. And I use hyprland when I want to customize things and for it's tiling thing.
GNOME has always been more stable for me than KDE, and I prefer the appearance of GNOME. I hope Fedora promoting KDE makes the DE more stable. Which Fedora's KDE DE is the only desktop environment that has never completely frozen on me.
HDR works great on Gnome 47 w/ gamescope-git and vk hdr layer from copr. Where I'm really struggling is getting VRR to consistently work. VRR will work maybe 10% of the time even with extensions turned off (amd gpu) So it's back to plasma 6. Will try Gnome again with 48
Regardless of desktop environment and especially in corporate scenarios we need some remote desktop solution built into the login manager independent of existing sessions and vnc doesn't cut it.
Even on gnome, the google drive integration changes the location everytime I reboot. Trying to connect keepassxc and it never works until I relaunch the kdbx file because the location changes. Definitely frustrating.
I customize my kde to look and feel just like gnome (complete with auto workspace adding) but with global menu. I enjoy my experience but keep on finding bugs here and there every so often. Now I consider switching back to gnome... if only it has global menu to make use of its empty top bar😅
I found KDE a better expirience like you stated. It does have some quirks the lack of integration. But it was a smoother transition from Windows to KDE. I tried linux mint but it didn't feel right. I Tried Gnome and felt ok with the dock for a task bar. But KDE just works for me. Also my steam has it. I have tried PopOS, Voyager, Ubuntu Budgie, Ubuntu, Linux Mint, KDE Neon, Elementary OS, and chose Kubuntu. The stability of Ubuntu with KDE environment. I did the live testing of Fedora KDE and out of hte box it was gorgeous.
@@ranma8890if you’re a new user, fedora is awesome to get into linux. That’s how i started as well. I used it for around half a year before moving to arch (only because i like tinkering with my pc). Never had a single crash on fedora and everything just works.
IMO XFCE is the best. I don't need all that fancy customization, just a panel color change, a few extra entries to monitor CPU from the panel, window borders and I'll be just fine. been on NixOS so it's really easy to setup network drives/locations from the configuration file directly.
XFCE on Ubuntu Studio has been just right for me for many years, simple, no nonsense. I'm practically in mourning after "upgrading" to 22 on one PC, Plasma is awful imo. Now looking at new distros after about 10 years with Studio.
42 2:57 I love your channel. Im also a big fan of KDE and gnome. But i prefer panels and initiating that change on gnome is a step i don't want to take every time i install. Thats why i choose KDE. Also, i like the permanent dock and would prefer to not manually enable that type of function every time I install. Gnome is more beautiful out of the box in my opinion. But in most cases, KDE is the path of least resistance for my workflow
i hate those tiny niche customization options i cant access on kde panel icon size and separation, notification popup theming, window rules breaking everytime i turn off one of my monitors, granular customization of widgets, etc. people say kde plasma is more customizable than gnome the same way androi is more customizable than ios, there are a ton of modular alternatives to whatever you need but these are often subpar and lack customization. i prefer gnome extensions over kwin scripts and plasmoids any day of the year and jailbroken ios over rooted android
before i changed from windows too linux i try out several desktop Environments in that state i was so "ohh gnome looks realy cool and modern, fancy schmanzy". After a week i switched too KDE plasma. In my opinion, it is better for an normal PC experience than gnome and i can proceed a better workflow with dolphin than Nautilus.
@@EHKvlogsRecently I wanted one, looked for some, there are several that work under Gnome that do text, pictures and files. Except the QR code function - which, I would claim, isn't the job of a clipboard manager. I have no idea which of the ones I checked out might be able to do it or if there even were any.
That was implemented in KDE Plasma 5.24, which was released in February of 2022. Although, the implementation is kinda shitty, as it is on every Linux that supports it (through fprintd). Shitty as in, not exactly safe.
@@ThePingedOne Fingerprints can be used in place of a password when unlocking the screen and providing administrator permissions to applications and command-line programs that request them. Logging into the system with your fingerprint is not yet supported.
I personally don't want to sync my devices to anything in the cloud, phone, tablet or PC. We do use Google Drive and whatnot at work but I'd rather access that through a browser. I've tried gnome several times but I just can't. It's so bare bones ootb and my desktop just ends up looking the same as it does in Plasma or any other DE anyways. The settings options in KDE also make it far easier to set up my workstation to work the way I want it to and I don't need a single extension to do it.
Only Stock Gnome is good, the moment you start adding extensions its over, Done for good. KDE is KDE. Gnome is having an Intel moment. KDE is having an AMD moment or not, I hope they both do even Better in the coming years.
I am happy that choice exists but I find Gnome virtually unusable without a ton of extensions and with extensions you risk things breaking constantly. So yeh its KDE for me.
Can you please make a video on how to theme Plasma 6? (...including is kavantum still a good option, how to add blur properly, etc.; your old KDE theming video is nice but based on Plasma 5.) Thank you.
yeah but i just use kde as theming actually works, and all app look at least decent (try using kitty, mpv on gnome for example. They have shitty title bar, because gnome doesn't implement server side decorations)
Ubuntu make Gnome really good. I turn on click to minimize and everything is really... Perfect for use. KDE is great too. But clear Gnome like in fedora? No thanks
I'm not so sure a corporation that decides to run linux... uses samba as fileserver in the first place... So you should have used NFS as example. Does THAT differ on gnome and kde? I have no idea, I just mount my nfs and that is that... But the online account stuff like cloud storage accounts is a valid argument. Corporate love those things. Me, not so much. I tend to keep everything local, even my bitwarden password server.
I can't stand KDE and I really like Gnome, it just works for me. That all being said, I would rather go with a Windows Manager if I ever leave Gnome, even though I don't think I ever will. Yet i3 and Hyprland seem really clean once configured.
I rebased to Gnome a few weeks ago, just to see where i'ts at. And it got better as for Nvidia user. Now it finally functions very well on Wayland. I love Gnome's overview, it's just quicker and you can drag&drop between desktops wherever you are. And it's like more polished out of the box. File manager, though, is still kinda meh, I prefer how Dolphin handles things. File picker also sucks. And I also miss Krunner functionality in Gnome. Screenshot tool is better in KDE. Ogh, and Software center... Every time I delete an app or install a new one it does this refresh thing, bone tickling issue for me. Other than that, if you don't mess heavily with extensions, solid environment. But I'll still go back to KDE 😀
Screen recording in KDE is almost useless. MP4 recording doesn’t work ime and the other option (I think webm) is like 15fps. KDE is king for me but there are so many little issues that drive me absolutely bonkers.
The distro I've been using for around 10 years has switched from XFCE to Plasma, and I _really_ dislike it. A lot. Similar vibe to why I ditched Windows. Now looking into other distros with a clean front end. It just needs to let me see my files, run programs, and stay out of my way. Know your place, desktops, you're not the reason I boot the PC up, I have things to do. So much love for the XFCE that was bundled with Ubuntu Studio up to 20. Perfect. Most of my PCs are still on 20 for that reason, but EOL approaches...
I like KDE A plasma most. Don’t need to sync accounts, but maybe I should give it a try. I like how browser uses desktop file manager from the start with KDE. You can change that in Gnome, but then you have to repeat the fix on every update.
Whichever works for you. Personally in my area in the US, mirrors were very slow for Opensuse. I’d imagine this wouldn’t be a problem if I was in Europe.
Finally! Gnome sucks. Gnome isn't for mouse and keyboard at all, more like for tablets. In gnome, everything pop-ups or more like zoom in, zoom out drive me crazy. Even tablets have PC mode, better looking and easy to use than gnome
That is most definitely not the only reason, that would be Microsoft's many partnerships with hardware vendors to have Windows preinstalled on almost all new PCs. I will concede that sometimes Gnome devs have their heads up their own backsides, for example their stubbornness on using client-side window decoration is just insanity and a terrible idea.
Unfortunately both KDE and Gnome require "some" tweaking and ideally we still don't have environment which would require "none" tweaking. Gnome has these certain usability aspects way better done (like handling dynamic mounts) but then drops the ball on very basic features like allowing use of bold fonts for better contrast and readability on terminal. Also as I've learned to use desktop as the place for handling the files I'm working for quick accessibility for drag & drop operations the Gnome approach towards desktop icons feels really tone deaf. While KDE has all the basic things like minimizing and maximizing windows, desktop icons, etc. very nicely in order built in ways to setup file sharing to network or remote desktop features seem to be mostly missing in action. All of these issues can be worked around but I'd still prefer a desktop which would unite the best sides of KDE and Gnome.
I prefer Gnome for my laptop, partly because it has a touchscreen. KDE i prefer for my desktop. So. Having them at parity would be amazing, though a minor thing overall.
GNOME is basically missing basic desktop functions for me without making several changes with dconf and extensions and they seem to continuously break every release and I have to find some way to fix the complete dealbreakers in a desktop. Its so annoying because, when I do get it finally working perfectly, its great, then 6 months later is all messed up again. KDE just keeps working, always works, and has all the basic functionality built in that any desktop should have.
I felt that... I use GNOME as well, but having extensions, gsettings and Nautilus settings radically change every 6 months is so incredibly frustrating.
and unironically kde is better at theming gtk apps then gnome is lol. I don't i am the only one who had gnome apps not even following light/dark theme (let's not even talk about actual themes. gtk theming is a css mess lol)
Ironically, in the couple months I mained Pop!_OS Gnome I have done more tinkering with my environment than I have in the ~3y of using Sway on Arch. Mainly due to extensions and out of data software.
@@no_name4796 Well, customization isn't really a selling point for me. Most GNOME users don't care about theming enough and like the UI as is. I want to spend less time tinkering and more time getting stuff done on my machine. I just wish for a more stable UI toolkit that builds upon itself instead of radically changing everything.
It's great to have choice. KDE was too convoluted & many options for me. I decided on GNOME 5 years ago and stuck with it. I don't want to rice my system, I just want to use it and I don't care about loads of options that I won't use, that's why I like GNOME, it does all I need without any fussing. Furthermore, I get you can quite likely use KDE simply, but I just didn't take to it.
KDE is my jam! I love customising things and found Gnome to be kinda dull and lifeless until you start adding extentions but even then it just didn't feel as intuitive. With KDE I felt like I immediately knew how to use it. Also have XFCE on my laptop.
I accidentally installed GNOME Fedora on my PC. I actually planning to use Fedora KDE. But when I start to use it, my multi tasking become 10x to 20x better and comfortable. I can easily switch to multiple Desktop to do various stuff, like Programming, Reading Documentation, using AI chat bots, messaging on social media, even listening to UA-cam Playlist simultaneously. We have also multiple Desktop on KDE. But you can just hold Super and pag up page down or scroll wheel on the mouse to change desktops.
KDE is definitely ahead in a lot of areas like VRR and HDR support. Until recently Gnome didn't have VRR support. That's why I picked it and I personally prefer it over Gnome.
I like KDE Plasma, the issue however is Wayland has been iffy on it but this has improved recently. Also, KDE Plasma is straight up garbage on LTS distros. KDE update a lot and they fix a lot of things, but LTS users (Mint users, Kubuntu "It works so I use it" users, etc) do not see these updates I think until way later unless I am mistaken. This gives KDE Plasma kind of a bad rep. It broke CONSTANTLY on this same machine I am on right now when I was using Nobara with it and also was a laggy mess on openSUSE Tumbleweed. But now I am on Arch (btw) and it's smooth as silk, barely crashes and when it does it's not consistent enough to be an issue. I deduced very quickly that aside from Tumbleweed, this was a LTS issue and it just added onto my hatred of LTS, personally. Like most of my issues with Linux turned out to be because of the slow release schedule of these distros.
I used KDE Plasma for a long while, but recently I moved to gnome, cause I do appreciate the simplicity of it. KDE has a lot of features that i don't use and will never use, but the things that I personally think lack in gnome, I can easily add. Both are really good and I'd love to see them both progress and be seen as equal, just for different people.
So KDE needs to be like Gnome until it can't afford to be like Gnome. Meaning that features should be defaulted but allow the curious to expand their exposure without making it hard or impossible. Like a level setting.
I have tried both GNOME and KDE but I keep coming back to my bspwm. It just feels the easiest and most intuitive to use for me personally.
But, if I had to choose between them I'd pick KDE only because it feels the smoother than GNOME on my potato PC. Even though I prefer GNOME's out-of-the-box experience more.
I think that Fedora is making decisions that have to be made by the users. In Linux, the default desktop environment is a choice that the users have to make, because that’s the look and the feeling of their OS. Personally, I switched from KDE and GNOME a bunch of times, but I ended up going with XFCE. And, most importantly, I switched to Arch, so I and me only can decide what DE I want
The only reason I use Plasma 6 is because it supports HDR and I have an HDR OLED monitor. Gnome doesn't work quite right thus far.
Honestly, I love KDE Plasma. It's so good!
Gnome feels so close to being perfect, it's very streamlined, but it's also just horrible for customizing and theming. Sure there's plugins, but they tend to be jank workarounds that break on a regular basis.
Meanwhile KDE tends to just break more in general from my experiences, but is much more feature complete. Their default settings are far from sane, but they're leagues better than Windows at least.
Im riding on Cosmic being the middle ground that is missing from the DE space. Sure Cinnamon exists, but it lacks Wayland support.
There is also Cinnamon and Mate which are alternative versions of Gnome but with the more traditional Windows 7 style appearance. Much easier for new users coming over to Linux from Windows to get along with.
@@AndreaBorman Those are pretty solid options. I personally won't use or recommend them as they lack Wayland support currently.
@@nezunskyfire292 I don't use Wayland although Cinnamon,Gnome and KDE do have this option at login. The reason is I find that some of the web cam and screen recording software doesn't work in Wayland. It only works on X11. Other users have found the same thing which is why Wayland is not ready for full time use yet.
@@nezunskyfire292 I don't use Wayland even though there is an option at login Well there is with Cinnamon, Gnome and KDE desktops. The reason is that the video software and screen recorders don't work on Wayland. They only work on X11.
Difficult to find settings in KDE Plasma? You haven't been on Windows in a long LONG time have you? KDE Plasma's a dream scenario for ease of use with finding settings.
I can’t even help family with Windows issues anymore. It’s so a$$ backwards now that I can’t even wrap my head around it.
I started Linux on Unity. And when Ubuntu dropped it for Gnome wasn't a great difference. Two years ago then I tried Plasma, and it is fantastic, although I still make it look like Unity :) with the left-side application-bar, the top menu and the global menu as well.
I'm in a similar boat. I started on Gnome 2, and initially hated the current to Unity, but soon came to jive with it. Ever since canonical trashed it, I've been re-creating the look and feel on other DEs. Like you have experienced, Plasma can get you about 95% the way there, I haven't found another DE that lets me get that close.
I went straight to gnome on fedora 36 and felt is was such a breeze and breathe of fresh air. Coming from Win10 and never too a second though at KDE since I always like the layoutof Mac OS but never wants the bugginess of the OS and the proprietariness of it and the lack basic features that even windows comes with like a window manager. I have since tried KDE on more than one occasion but have found myself just trying to get it to look like gnome but it never works
Ironically I just removed Fedora KDE from my workstation as there were just too many bugs. Hopefully it gets better.
Could you tell me which bugs im on fedora KDE right now and im interested if i've experienced them or not
@@alexstone691 I don't have exact bugs. SFTP share time outs, default Firefox becoming unusable (media codec issue), Firmware updates being larger than the partition space it created. Spotify not loading. Just a series of annoyances. I installed Linux Mint and will daily drive that at work for a bit.
@@DanielLerch That's Fedora's problem. I use KDE Neon and that doesn't happen.
Well, I'm on Fedora gnome and it's working pretty good…
Some of the issues happened in KDE gnome too, but not all of them (FTP timeout for example). Fedora is a great project. I just had to uninstall it to get my work done properly.
I actually very rarely use the desktop at work, since most of my time is spent on the command line and I've slowly just moved to neovim for code editing and IDE. So, I don't actually look for customizations and other tweaks on my personal workstation that has a desktop environment. Basically, I'm probably someone who wouldn't mind the Gnome workflow and definitely doesn't need all the customizations that kde offers, but I've been happily using kde for more than half a decade now and have no plans to switch. I switched over from xfce around 2018 or so. Fedora's KDE spin is nearly perfect
I switched from GNOME to KDE due to fractional scaling, blurry XWayland windows, and GTK4 issues. Many things in Wayland are broken in GNOME, and fractional scaling makes them worse. I don’t need cloud storage access or calendar syncing in the file manager, as the browser and phone are enough. KDE offers better stability, while GNOME provides a fancier experience.
KDE for me feels like the only fully featured DE on Linux, it gives you control over almost everything on your computer with standardised UI elements and Gnome doesn't cut it for my workflow even with extensions. I don't really use integrations though, I need an Office 365 sub for work related reasons but I just use a rclone script to mount the included Onedrive cloud on startup and that's it. I will say Plasma designers could use some lessons on interface consistency and design - there's way too many unnecessary horizontal and vertical lines everywhere some of which even theming can't get rid of.
Accounts is one of the 2 big strengths of gnome, the other one is the workflow of the shell. But, the file manager is simply embarrassing poor of functionality, some things (like icons) look like 30 years old, you need extensions with possible breaks for basic things, 4 (four!) clicks to shutdown the pc... And so much more. KDE is not perfect by all means, but they don't take absurd decisions just 'cause! A good middle ground between the two worlds is cinnamon. Offer better looks than gnome, is solid, has many integrated features but not as many as plasma. It excels in easy of use for about everything, without any peak like gnome or plasma.
My only real issue with Cinnamon is the lack of Wayland support. I'm banking more on Cosmic at this point for sane settings and integration.
I just discovered that Gnome apps look exactly the same in KDE as in Gnome. So Plasma desktop + Gnome apps -> Knome
Let's do this!
one of the biggest selling points for nixos for me is how I can switch desktops whenever I want by changing a single line in my config, and I can use the same settings and theming on both
Ever since plasma has supported HDR and had been on Wayland, I haven't considered anything else.
I'm not sure what you're talking about ... I can't stand using Gnome, I go always go back to KDE within a week of installing Gnome.
I feel like this video doesn't really talk about the Fedora KDE as much as it's just being another KDE vs GNOME video. I didn't like how the title and thumbnail focused on _Fedora_ KDE but the actual video didn't feel like it delivered on that.
Nachteil von Gnome der schreckliche Dateimanager 😂
Considering how the people writing GNOME treat people, this shift is hardly surprising. Forking the linux kernel is next on the list.
I think our Frenchman Nicco and team have been hard at work and its paying off.
Gnome was my go to as I initially didn’t like KDE, but now regularly use KDE thanks to the Steam Deck.
And lots has changed since KDE 5 to 6 in a year, and it keeps getting better.
I get the online connectivity features and apps in Gnome. But KDE somehow doesn’t come in the way, and fits into my workflow. It works very well with Arch.
I honestly thought Cinnamon was going to be the better DE, but I feel it is outdated now. That said, I might just give Gnome and Cinnamon another visit.
I prefer Cinnamon. Mainly Linux Mint.
Basically a middle ground in customizing and simplicity
KDE runs kinda good nowadays with wayland and games... but yeah, everything else, there is always something that EFFS around and has issues. After every bigger update there is always something not working as before. basically really every time over the last 2 years I tried to use KDE over GNOME as main DE. KDE has lots of stuff that is cool and that I miss in GNOME, for sure. But I almost never have any big issues when using GNOME wayland over the last years.
Maybe because their approach is simpler than KDE. I dont know. Ressource usage of the DE doesnt matter to me with todays hardware we use for gaming etc. it doesnt make any difference at the end of the day outside of some benchmark numbers maybe.
The workflow and smoothness in GNOME is still unmatched. KDE is way too much Windows like. And guess what, I dont like Windows. So, there is that.
Plasma feels like someone made a whole beautiful transformers status out of garbage materials
I've never seen a better description of Kde plasma
Spot on
KDE and GNOME have different use cases for me. I use GNOME on my 2 in 1 touchscreen laptop because its layout and touch gestures are far better for a device that I often use as a tablet. I don't find it super appealing personally but it really works for this use case of mine; I think it's a great DE that is super cohesive and does what it wants to do well. As for KDE, it's what got me out of Windows as its look and interface is familiar (and imo quite polished and nice looking) coming from Windows 10, and I was drawn to how thorough and powerful it is. I like its "simple by default, powerful when needed" design philosophy. KDE holds a special place in my heart and it's what I use on my non touchscreen laptop. It's wonderful to see both of these amazing desktops continuing to get better every day :)
The main reason I use KDE: Battery charge limit out of the box. I may try out gnome some time though…
Cannonical could offer an official version of Ubuntu with KDE. Nothing against Fedora, but just like Gnome and Mate, Cannonical puts a certain amount of care into making DE the face of the operating system.
why so? fedora does not ship with custom theming or tweaks in either gnome or kde. It is a very stock and vanilla experience. They have a good integration with gnome software/plasma discover
Kubuntu exist
After a lot of distro hoping I am currently using Ubuntu. I gotta say that Ubuntu gave me the worst experience especially with snaps. So I thought of switching back to fedora. But I am still confused whether to wait for KDE or just hop back in the Gnome version.
Gnome is much better but you can still install fedora KDE spin
The KDE spin already exists, and has existed for years.
All users of the Fedora KDE Spin will be upgraded to Fedora KDE Workstation. So you can just use the spin atm.
@@teknixstuff So they are gonna just improve development on the existing spin?
@@quietmemer yeah that's pretty much it
5:53 No. GNOME is far from smooth. It's the most stuttery UI I've used on every device I get my hands on, including powerful PCs.
I love gnome as it's not a Windows lookalike
True. But KDE is what Windows should have looked like. 😂🤣
but it looks like macos, gnome lacks the basic things of a desktop ready to work.
I feel that. I just hate that users ask for features and Gnome developers outright reject them.
Us from cinnamon. Then moved to gnome. No desire to move anywhere else.
I'm gonna try out Arch with hyprland. I used to switch between gnome and KDE, but had some issues occure with it while having installed both simultaneously and switching between them. This might be due to Wayland but i'm not sure. Did you ever have some problems with multiple environments installed?
I would strongly reccommend not installing multiple de's, all the config files and apps clash together causing tons of problems. It's much better to have only one at a time imo.
Some are not compatible with one another if they are based off each other. Some Desktop Environments branched from old Gnome releases for example and might use the same config files
i use arch with kde(wayland), no issue whatsoever
both arch and kde(wayland) receive support from valve, things will just get better
I can't see how it is hard to find settings in plasma, even if you really got lost, just use the search bar
the upstream support for asahi fedora has been focused on KDE so this isn't surprising to me as a mac user
Are there any basic official and most used applications which work in both Gnome and KDE? For example gedit, Nautilus, transmission etc... OR is there a way to have both KDE and Gnome installed above Ubuntu without any conflicts in complete isolation to both desktop envs? So that one can switch easily between any desktop environments?
Gnome is great... for tablets, anything else - KDE
kde is even better than gnome when it comes to touch interface
@@asmrnaturecat984 no
I use arch I really like KDE. But I keep coming back to Gnome, just because it's simple, beautiful, everything except fractional scaling works great. And I use hyprland when I want to customize things and for it's tiling thing.
Or Cinnamon :)
Agree everything pop up or zoom in/out like in tablets not for mouse or keyboard. Even tablets have a PC mode that is better than GNOME.
GNOME has always been more stable for me than KDE, and I prefer the appearance of GNOME. I hope Fedora promoting KDE makes the DE more stable. Which Fedora's KDE DE is the only desktop environment that has never completely frozen on me.
HDR works great on Gnome 47 w/ gamescope-git and vk hdr layer from copr. Where I'm really struggling is getting VRR to consistently work. VRR will work maybe 10% of the time even with extensions turned off (amd gpu)
So it's back to plasma 6. Will try Gnome again with 48
Regardless of desktop environment and especially in corporate scenarios we need some remote desktop solution built into the login manager independent of existing sessions and vnc doesn't cut it.
Amen to this. Getting rdp up and running especially on a Wayland session is a nightmare, it never just works out of the box.
Even on gnome, the google drive integration changes the location everytime I reboot. Trying to connect keepassxc and it never works until I relaunch the kdbx file because the location changes. Definitely frustrating.
Elementary OS 8 SHOULD already be out but its not ready yet.
I like the Pantheon desktop as it runs quite light weight
@@BillyNoMates1974 gey
I customize my kde to look and feel just like gnome (complete with auto workspace adding) but with global menu. I enjoy my experience but keep on finding bugs here and there every so often. Now I consider switching back to gnome... if only it has global menu to make use of its empty top bar😅
I found KDE a better expirience like you stated. It does have some quirks the lack of integration. But it was a smoother transition from Windows to KDE. I tried linux mint but it didn't feel right. I Tried Gnome and felt ok with the dock for a task bar. But KDE just works for me. Also my steam has it. I have tried PopOS, Voyager, Ubuntu Budgie, Ubuntu, Linux Mint, KDE Neon, Elementary OS, and chose Kubuntu. The stability of Ubuntu with KDE environment. I did the live testing of Fedora KDE and out of hte box it was gorgeous.
As a Windows user, I must say that having used Fedora with KDE Plasma on my laptop for two weeks, I am enjoying the experience thus far.
@@ranma8890if you’re a new user, fedora is awesome to get into linux. That’s how i started as well. I used it for around half a year before moving to arch (only because i like tinkering with my pc). Never had a single crash on fedora and everything just works.
@@ranma8890 same
Gnome is just way too restrictive for me. I like having complete control over everything.
IMO XFCE is the best.
I don't need all that fancy customization, just a panel color change, a few extra entries to monitor CPU from the panel, window borders and I'll be just fine.
been on NixOS so it's really easy to setup network drives/locations from the configuration file directly.
XFCE on Ubuntu Studio has been just right for me for many years, simple, no nonsense. I'm practically in mourning after "upgrading" to 22 on one PC, Plasma is awful imo. Now looking at new distros after about 10 years with Studio.
Doesn't support wayland and is outdated. Should not be the standard.
@@cyberturkey77 wayland is... iffy. There's no wacom drivers that support wayland and performance in games on wayland is worse than x11.
@@cyberturkey77 yet
@@cyberturkey77Wayland isn't ready yet.
Fedora KDE is always my first choice. My distro hopping days are over.
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I love your channel. Im also a big fan of KDE and gnome. But i prefer panels and initiating that change on gnome is a step i don't want to take every time i install. Thats why i choose KDE.
Also, i like the permanent dock and would prefer to not manually enable that type of function every time I install. Gnome is more beautiful out of the box in my opinion. But in most cases, KDE is the path of least resistance for my workflow
i hate those tiny niche customization options i cant access on kde
panel icon size and separation, notification popup theming, window rules breaking everytime i turn off one of my monitors, granular customization of widgets, etc.
people say kde plasma is more customizable than gnome the same way androi is more customizable than ios, there are a ton of modular alternatives to whatever you need but these are often subpar and lack customization.
i prefer gnome extensions over kwin scripts and plasmoids any day of the year and jailbroken ios over rooted android
before i changed from windows too linux i try out several desktop Environments in that state i was so "ohh gnome looks realy cool and modern, fancy schmanzy". After a week i switched too KDE plasma. In my opinion, it is better for an normal PC experience than gnome and i can proceed a better workflow with dolphin than Nautilus.
KDE, it seemed the most familiar coming from windows
KDE doesn't even support fingerprint login yet
gnome doesn't even have a clipboard manager that supports text, files and images and makes qr codes.
Yes it does.
@@EHKvlogsRecently I wanted one, looked for some, there are several that work under Gnome that do text, pictures and files. Except the QR code function - which, I would claim, isn't the job of a clipboard manager. I have no idea which of the ones I checked out might be able to do it or if there even were any.
That was implemented in KDE Plasma 5.24, which was released in February of 2022. Although, the implementation is kinda shitty, as it is on every Linux that supports it (through fprintd). Shitty as in, not exactly safe.
@@ThePingedOne Fingerprints can be used in place of a password when unlocking the screen and providing administrator permissions to applications and command-line programs that request them.
Logging into the system with your fingerprint is not yet supported.
I prefer KDE plasma. I tried Gnome but couldnt get Used to it. I installed plasma over the top of it.
XFCE for sanity.
I personally don't want to sync my devices to anything in the cloud, phone, tablet or PC. We do use Google Drive and whatnot at work but I'd rather access that through a browser. I've tried gnome several times but I just can't. It's so bare bones ootb and my desktop just ends up looking the same as it does in Plasma or any other DE anyways. The settings options in KDE also make it far easier to set up my workstation to work the way I want it to and I don't need a single extension to do it.
Gnome is smooth if it had better customization options out the box I would drive it more.
@@Prophet6000 I love Gnome apps and how well integrated they are with the desktop. I wish Plasma apps had a similar level of polish and integration.
Only Stock Gnome is good, the moment you start adding extensions its over, Done for good.
KDE is KDE.
Gnome is having an Intel moment.
KDE is having an AMD moment or not, I hope they both do even Better in the coming years.
I am happy that choice exists but I find Gnome virtually unusable without a ton of extensions and with extensions you risk things breaking constantly. So yeh its KDE for me.
For me KDE is always laggy and unstable. Gnome just works.
Can you please make a video on how to theme Plasma 6? (...including is kavantum still a good option, how to add blur properly, etc.; your old KDE theming video is nice but based on Plasma 5.) Thank you.
I like gnome🎉❤
Its simple and easy,❤
I always come back to😅
yeah but i just use kde as theming actually works, and all app look at least decent (try using kitty, mpv on gnome for example. They have shitty title bar, because gnome doesn't implement server side decorations)
Filemanager from Gnome is Garbage
@@demerdemer328 nah, nautilus is quite decent. Gnome has many problems. You centered one of the things which actully are kinda good
@@demerdemer328 Man!
I use nemo instead of nautilus 🧟♀️
Though it is great but Gnome is more likely mobile OS…I don’t like to use it on my system feels like I am using mobile
KDE is good, and I really like it but I will still use gnome as it feels more consistent experience.
Ubuntu make Gnome really good. I turn on click to minimize and everything is really... Perfect for use. KDE is great too. But clear Gnome like in fedora? No thanks
I'm not so sure a corporation that decides to run linux... uses samba as fileserver in the first place...
So you should have used NFS as example. Does THAT differ on gnome and kde?
I have no idea, I just mount my nfs and that is that...
But the online account stuff like cloud storage accounts is a valid argument. Corporate love those things.
Me, not so much. I tend to keep everything local, even my bitwarden password server.
I love gnome ❤
Me too
yeah same
Same me
I can't stand KDE and I really like Gnome, it just works for me. That all being said, I would rather go with a Windows Manager if I ever leave Gnome, even though I don't think I ever will. Yet i3 and Hyprland seem really clean once configured.
I really do with kde had a version of gnome online accounts
higher hopes for cosmic...
I rebased to Gnome a few weeks ago, just to see where i'ts at. And it got better as for Nvidia user. Now it finally functions very well on Wayland. I love Gnome's overview, it's just quicker and you can drag&drop between desktops wherever you are. And it's like more polished out of the box. File manager, though, is still kinda meh, I prefer how Dolphin handles things. File picker also sucks. And I also miss Krunner functionality in Gnome. Screenshot tool is better in KDE. Ogh, and Software center... Every time I delete an app or install a new one it does this refresh thing, bone tickling issue for me. Other than that, if you don't mess heavily with extensions, solid environment. But I'll still go back to KDE 😀
Screen recording in KDE is almost useless. MP4 recording doesn’t work ime and the other option (I think webm) is like 15fps. KDE is king for me but there are so many little issues that drive me absolutely bonkers.
Gnome sucks for so many reasons.
One thing I will give Gnome is less mods people have made to it break it
XFCE FTW
GNOME is better, looks better, especially on laptops where the workflow works perfectly. I did use kde when i dailied linux on the desktop
Is the G silent in gnome or not?
it's pronounced gnome
Guh'nome
@@catto-from-heaven well, that's odd, as it is spelled just like the garden ornament.
@@svan71it’s an acronym GNU Network Object Model Environment
KDE always anytime
The distro I've been using for around 10 years has switched from XFCE to Plasma, and I _really_ dislike it. A lot. Similar vibe to why I ditched Windows. Now looking into other distros with a clean front end. It just needs to let me see my files, run programs, and stay out of my way. Know your place, desktops, you're not the reason I boot the PC up, I have things to do. So much love for the XFCE that was bundled with Ubuntu Studio up to 20. Perfect. Most of my PCs are still on 20 for that reason, but EOL approaches...
I like KDE A plasma most. Don’t need to sync accounts, but maybe I should give it a try. I like how browser uses desktop file manager from the start with KDE. You can change that in Gnome, but then you have to repeat the fix on every update.
fedora kde or opensuse kde and why.
Whichever works for you. Personally in my area in the US, mirrors were very slow for Opensuse. I’d imagine this wouldn’t be a problem if I was in Europe.
Neither.
Because fcitx5 is Good
Finally! Gnome sucks. Gnome isn't for mouse and keyboard at all, more like for tablets. In gnome, everything pop-ups or more like zoom in, zoom out drive me crazy. Even tablets have PC mode, better looking and easy to use than gnome
GNOME is the epitome of keyboard usage, wdym?
GNOME is the sole, only reason for Linux not being the dominant OS in the marketshare. It SUCKS and drives users away from using Linux..
Can you please explain?
That is most definitely not the only reason, that would be Microsoft's many partnerships with hardware vendors to have Windows preinstalled on almost all new PCs. I will concede that sometimes Gnome devs have their heads up their own backsides, for example their stubbornness on using client-side window decoration is just insanity and a terrible idea.
Nah. If adobe and daw/vsts went over linux would explode
Never go full… well…watch Tropic Thunder to find out.
Unfortunately both KDE and Gnome require "some" tweaking and ideally we still don't have environment which would require "none" tweaking.
Gnome has these certain usability aspects way better done (like handling dynamic mounts) but then drops the ball on very basic features like allowing use of bold fonts for better contrast and readability on terminal. Also as I've learned to use desktop as the place for handling the files I'm working for quick accessibility for drag & drop operations the Gnome approach towards desktop icons feels really tone deaf.
While KDE has all the basic things like minimizing and maximizing windows, desktop icons, etc. very nicely in order built in ways to setup file sharing to network or remote desktop features seem to be mostly missing in action.
All of these issues can be worked around but I'd still prefer a desktop which would unite the best sides of KDE and Gnome.
Kde Plasma not the default yet.. They talking about it.. Maybe on 42 !!
Plasma will probably never be default for Fedora. I don’t really care as long as they advertise both equally.
And that's the reason desktop Linux will never be used widespread. Things should work just out of the box like on windows or Mac.
I agree that there should be a flag linux distro but with the decentralization of many distros for linux that will not happen.
I wouldn’t say never, the higher the market share the more that will improve.
@@BR0KK85 I use KDE plasma on my desktop. I've never used Linux on a laptop
@@ralph4370 Linux mint is probably the closest at the moment.
@@doveofdestinyGood luck installing KDE, COSMIC or GNOME on it. It actually breaks the distro.
Meh... GNOME is crap. Literally almost anything is better. Sorry, it had to be said.
favorite listen. amd system. 1 KDE Plasm(only wayland). 2 GNOME. 3 ohter os