Man...You are a legend!!! No other critic in this country can look at/understand a movie the way you do. You are a genius. Ametuers should learn how to critic a movie from you.
Exactly most of other famous critics in India are too much obsessed with western film making style they kind of dont get our Indian movies sometimes but Mr Rangan as u said is a Legend. Nobody can analyse Indian films like he does.
I started watching Tamil movies only after watching you review them. Your analysis of movies shows how much you love cinema and this breaks the barriers of language, culture, everything else!
After watching Suchitra review I watched the movie.. I hated the fact he kissed her on first meet.. it scares how a senior does that.. ragging and stuff is scary and not good for students or college.. that was the only issue for me... Later they both are in love they can do whatever they want...
The instant kiss is inspired from Romeo and Juliet ... somewhere the hero felt the girl belongs to him.. it's just that confidence he had on that instant connection ...that's what this movie is about
@Gargee Basak So they did that in 16th century and still u have a problem with just a movie in 20th century....If it was real,even i would complain..But it's just a fictional character.
@@rexy899 The girl was numb she was helpless the seniors were too powerful..I couldn't feel love there..even Kabir was taking advantage of his power that's what I felt..
I think Kabir Singh is more harsh becoz of Shahid Kapoor... Also in his college days Kabir Singh seemed like a mad boy... Instead Arjun Reddy had only anger issues..
Sandeep Reddy is a director who got inspired from Martin Scorsese, Quentin Tarantino, Anurag Kashyap and Imitiaz Ali. So his films have most of elements from the above directors. Like Self Inflicted protagonist, love and life, nativity of the place and raw characters. Filmmakers have right to make any type of films, they're not meant to make moralistic films for a society
The point wasnt that flawed men dont exist or dont deserve to have their stories told . Its the glorification of what is obviously a terrible person . Tell stories of flawed people ....but make sure that you treat them as such .
Wolf of wall street, Godfather, Oceans, Breaking Bad series all go down well with you I'm sure. Closer home Gangs of Wasseypur, Dhoom and plenty others. Pick one of these where the bad guys aren't glorified!! Fake feminism is the new in thing these days.
No...those stories dont go down well with me . There have always been women who have criticised how so called " great media " has done so at the expense of women . Its just that men havent been listening
Arjun actually redeems himself in the end yes he is an asshole for the most part of the movie and yes there courtship was especially problematic But in the end his grandmas death signifies a huge change in arjun , his dialogue that 10% of life is important rest all reactions to it is a telling sign of that Preethi was a significant incident in arjuns life and his descent into darkness was a reaction to it In the same way His grandmas death who loved him more or equally as preethi was another significant incident in life and maybe his guilt for not being there in her last movements signalled a sober phase in his life and as a result he stops all his vices and he gets his girl Maybe its directors way of telling that say no to the bottle or a plain convenient ending but that is the redemption for arjun He lost his career , his significant persona (For good ), his grandma to get preethi Thats pretty deep if you look at it
Arjun is a man child for most part of a movie averse of responsibilities but his itention to marry preethi without the knowledge of his child signified newfound responsibility in him
@@rohitreddy3980 his instances change via grandma death is not convincing to some extent. .. Unless we have watched our watch and recognises film about to end.
He is the only reviewer who is reviewing this movie as a whole considering all the small factors that makes Arjun and Preethi the characters they are . Everyone else just pointing out two three scenes and thrashing the movie without covering the larger picture that is the difference between low IQ pseudo reviewer's and Mr.Bharadwaj rangan. Great insight sir.
Actually in Arjun Reddy or in Kabhir Singh My opinion is the character of Preethi should have been written as a strong girl that rejects him at the end even though she is a mother of his child..that will be a good conclusion that this movie... But leaving that behind everybody talking about Kabhir Singh should have paid repercussions for his wrong behaviour with Preethi... Yaar that's in the hand of the girl at the end..
This review or in better words discussion answers all the accusations of misogyny regarding the movie. If you do not know even now, Arjun reddy harms himself more than any other person and besides she herself was deeply in love with him. The whole rationale behind her family rejecting him was narrow minded thinking and that would have weighed on her mind as well. She rejecting him just because of his immature behavior while dealing with her family, forgetting all the happy memories they shared is kind of unfair and does not do justice to her character.
@@Hari-kx2er we are on the same page here I do like the ending of the movie... What I am saying is if anybody wants to criticize the movie then they should ask for changes in the woman's character... Instead they are talking about only the man's misbehaviour with the woman... She got the chance to leave him but she decided to stay with him... She is not forced to be with him...that's what I am saying...
she rejected him by marrying the other person.. but wasted her and that sikh boy's life in the meantime.. why cant they live together? he is bad but still loves her a lot.. he didnt raise even a ques about her child nd was ready to be with her at that time.. even the most liberal minds in india wont do that.. we all have dominating parents.. they restrict our choices at every walk of life.. do we leave them after getting a job?
@Hhemanth kumar well said.. actually in reality that would happen because no girl can tolerate such a stupid person who has that kind of attitude issues.. here in the comments people are defending his character that even he’s bad, but he still loves her bla bla something like that..I don’t understand is that called love?? That’s such a toxic love omg 😱
May be Sucharita should watch the malayalam movie Neena released in 2015. It had a female character which was quite close to the Arjun Reddy character.
Most of my thoughts overlaps with yours how I digested the movie, but I just want to quote Oscar Wilde here regarding it's impression on some demographics. 'Life imitates Art far more than Art imitates Life'.
@@HR-or8tx Did you not see hear read out the views of 20 people and then respond to each of them? Isn't discussion exchange of ideas/views about a topic? Dumbo.
@@anilnadella3930 it's not really a discussion because those whose responses were read out could not say anything back. It was one-sided. I see you are still juvenile with your unnecessary name calling. No point trying to talk sense to you.
@@HR-or8tx I am still juvenile? Did you know me before or did we interact before? Dumbo teaching me technicalities. Core of discussion is exchange of view points. Conversation is not necessary. Dumbo.
@@anilnadella3930 yes, you absolutely are. If your argument is not strong enough, one resorts to name calling and that's exactly what you're doing here. Why are you so frustrated! Take a chill pill. And while you're at it, look up the meaning of a discussion and enlighten yourself.
the way he analyses movies is incredible.. the depth and insight he lends to each scene is truly amazing. this guy gave me fresh perspectives of looking at cinema. take a bow, sir!
One of the most appreciated south film premam was all about the Male protagonist. We were completely oblivious about what the hell was going on in the women's heads. Same way, Arjun Reddy is about the titular character. The spotlight is on him . The narrative is designed that way! It's his story damnit. So stop saying the female was sidelined . ..( a lot of critics were of the opinion)
Thank you for acknowledging the problematic part regarding the character.Ok now don't abuse me for pointing out my opinion cuz this is the way I looked at it. I still believe, though we are meant to look at a film just as it is, the message it gives to the society still matters. Look I havent seen Kabir Singh but I saw AR. The part where he molests a women by pointing a knife and the part where he chases the maid are used as comedy and to make the audience laugh. The pace and setting of these scenes are made to make the audience laugh. These are the references that Sucharitha and even Rajeev Masand stated them and the fact is it doesnt stop there. It is reasonable for people to have a problem with them cuz they are problematic and its simple as that. The problem is the film spent too much time glorifying (I felt it did) his shit and by the time we had to sypathise with the character when he's fucked up for real (and the part where the director actually want the audience to sympathise with the character), I personally felt its too hard to forgive this character. Plus he never apologise or does not acknowledge the wrongful way he treated Preethi and other people. Also it could have been better if the makers created some point of view from Preethi's character so that the story would be more interesting. For me this is the weakest link in the film as she clearly has no say and acts more like Arjun's puppet. I mean for real its 3 hour long film, they could have made some effort to include that. For this reason, their relationship came across as bit forced. In Devdas (similar theme), we not only see the film from his point of view but also from Paro and Chnadramukhi. In the end he actually faces the consequences and that is more believable. I am glad that these negative aspects of this film got called out in the Hindi Version cuz not many said much about AR. Having said that I do agree with the positive aspects of the film you mentioned. Also VD was outstanding and I am sure Sk did a great job as well.Great video Sir.
let me point out my opinion on things you have pointed out.. 1..in the first scene with raping the woman,the acting and direction are subtle..if you see arjun's face once the power comes back,he knows that he is wrong and throws the knife..(not justifing just an observation,but still wrong,i agree.) 2..maid do crack jokes in the previous scenes and friend say's "maids have a mafia/union" creating a fun circumstances.. 3..i agree that the character is misogynistic and has toxic masculinity,but they are not glorified..he losses everything in his life except the girl.. if you think getting the girl is the sole purpose for guys in the life its not that way.. 4..preethi having less screen time is because its made on "kabir singh/arjun reddy"..its not always about same screen time to male characters and female characters.. its about the story.. 5..initially the movie was more than 4 hours which included everything the director thought of..since such a long film cant be played in cinemas they edited to 3hours which is also a long film..
Exactly. And also sanjay dutt is living person not a fuctional character like kabir singh. But still sanju can say 350 likhlo on safer side. Bloody partial people
And prostitution is very much legal in many countries(including Canada), I really don't think how this is repressive or misogynistic. If you are don't like their review if the movie that's completely fine dude but at least use a valid argument.
@Film Companion South...thank you for such amazing review of Arjun Reddy. I watched the movie with subtitles as I don't understand Telugu. I'm consider as feminist by many people however I never felt AR as misogynist type of movie. I totally agree with Baradwaj Rangan review of AD. Thumbs up for such review
And sir what about how the music amplified his heroism? When he slapped her(in arjun reddy) the music is peppy , almost a pumping music , almost in adding to the attitude , you said playing charismatic people will make audience root for character, and I don't agree, there are bgms and other small elemements in the movie that are glorifying him
Deepthi N I partially agree with the music being sort of glorifying but look at this way, the music we hear is what reflects Arjun’s emotional state i.e. when he is angry that thumping bgm plays, when he is sad another kind of bgm plays.
@@saiashwin26 but what about the scene i mentioned? What was he feeling when he slapped her? Watch the scene again . The bgm is almost like supporting his crazy behaviour
Deepthi N I had issues with the BGM too, it’s one of the movie’s flaws. It wasn’t too ironic or too subjective. It meandered here and there. Maybe if the BGM was removed, the glorification would have been less apparent.
@@deepthin7480 after that slap he will become beggar.. so slap a girl and become beggar.. you can watch veere di wedding and do mastrubation it's the message that gives for women empowerment
The girl priti was very submissive in nature, and she also enjoyed the hype she got because of kabir as she was a timid girl. Kabir was handsome, supremely more talented then others she came across and rich. Why will she not like him? Arjun/kabir was a narcissistic so whatever he did was just his nature.
#ArjunReddy or #KabirSingh was about a man in love who is deeply overpossive , has no control over his impulsiveness and is self-destructive. It is not correct to interpret the movie through the narrow prism of Pseudo Feminism. The movie is only about LOVE and it is not about "toxic mysogeny" as it being alleged by Film Critics.
That's why he is the best critic in India. How articulate he is in explaining his point of view. And also understanding what other point of views are. But most of all he views Movies as movies.that's a rarity here. That's what it should be. But we don't live in a perfect world. So the outrage
Unconditional love within a flawed relationship and two half baked people. They are evolving with time and experience. They fell in love and just figured it out while making mistakes fumbling around. What works for one set of people might not for another. Their commitment towards each other held them together. We rarely see that nowadays and that struck a chord with many.
It is nothing else but aggression, aggression can be active (breaking things, hitting people) or passive (constantly thinking that one is flawed). It happens when people do not express themselves fully, some people do not express from childhood, it does not mean that they are inexpressive, it is just that they haven't found a safe/healthy way to express their emotions. They did not have healthy relationships with their parents and were not taught how to feel maybe by their parent(s), who were also like that. And girls who have relationships with such guys have disturbed relationships with their parents, so, they do not know about unconditional love. I am not biased, girls can be aggressive and in relationship with nice guys too. 🙏
When preethi hits Kabir, everyone laughs. When kabir slaps preethi,everyone angry...I think we should change our mindset. Sir u r awesome, great explanation. I think those fems didn't watch the movie completely. Judgemental fools
Hey Bardwaj Rangan, can you show this to Suchitra and it would be great if you both sit and talk about Arjun Reddy In a literally 3 hour movie, all Suchitra can see Arjun's misogyny
Sucharita reviewed Kabir Singh, not Arjun Reddy. And BR watched Arjun Reddy, not Kabir Singh. Their opinions come from what each movie has made them feel, and their reviews do not take into account what was depicted in the other movie because they hadn't seen the other one. One opinion is not less valid than the other, because each of them have backed up their opinions with some solid arguments. A discussion between them would be interesting, yes, but if you want BR to convert Sucharita into his way of thinking, then I'm afraid you're approaching the matter from a very problematic vantage point
@@Stonytude bullshit.. When Robert de Nero did -raging bull... That became a all time phenomena... He was meaner much much more arsehole... He was glorified.. He became all time legend
Kudos, BR! Solid, solid discussion. I'm really happy that so many people that were influenced by Suchirita's review came here and had a change of perspective.
After following so many reviews and opinions from others and having my opinion... and your video I must say.. when 2 people are in love don't fall in between 😂😂🤣🤣 because both are nut cases.. and that is true in real world as well 🤣🤣😂😂
Sucharita spoiled the film for me You rejuvenated my love for AR/KS You de-fakefeministified me :D We need people who see films from different perspectives Rightly said
Concerning women getting back with such men, let me answer that for you. Since I had been a victim of such relationship previously, I believe I can answer it. If you publicize movies like these, women/girls will continue to believe that relationships like these are NORMAL which in true sense is NOT. This was exactly what I used to feel then. It is not just restricted to fearing over if/not I will get another person solely. This movie must have shown SOME level of atonement because of which people would have come to a realization that harboring such persona in our society is unacceptable and unhealthy because it would propagate toxic and abusive relationships.
whts abusive in this movie between the two characters ? slapping her? lol. you need to understand the reasons why wld or have slapped her in the movie and then the justification later. its not him being abusive rather he is trying to put her right towards some issues
There’s a difference between depiction and endorsement. Arjun Reddy and Kabir Singh portray these kind of men as attractive and glorify their arrogance and toxic masculinity as if it’s an “attitude” that is stylish. This is not a cautionary tale, he gets the girl in the end, he is still successful. I agree with what you say about POV. Perspective and tone is what differentiates the way you portray a flawed character - whether the movie is simply showing a truth or celebrating a problematic narrative
It’s the same toxic masculinity that Tere Naam had . But because of the Times of #Metoo people want to see the change and Iam happy that this made people uncomfortable . That shows how far we have come. To atleast recognize what is problematic behavior.
If you see this review, even Bhardwaj is mentioning that if you can look past certain aspects time and again. He even goes in depth in trying to explain how the kind of background and movies we watch makes the basis of what we can look past. Its less that Sucharita can't review and more that you don't want to hear what Bhardwaj is saying apart from the small part where he doesn't judge the movie as harshly.
Very balanced review unlike many reviewers/critics/people who take everything at face value, cannot read between the lines, cannot look beneath the surface and can't really connect different pieces together at all.
Ages before Sarat babu wrote about a similar flawed misogynous character - Devdas. Even until today, every connoisseur of good literature considers the novel a cult classic, when that too was a celebration of a wasted mortal in the name of love. Nobody goes bonkers about it - not even the liberal intellectuals. Because even a flawed character deserves a story and possibly a path towards redemption. That doesn't mean society has to endorse the actions, instead society can learn what not to. Sensible people will come around after committing the mistakes or by seeing others commit. Those who are misogynist will remain so - a film can't change their toxic mentality. It's the upbringing and right family values that define a person's character in most part. If a movie could change the individual moral values, everyone would become a Baahubali or Bajrangi Bhaijaan
Actually the truth is there are real people in life out there who are like, Arjun Reddy, Gabir Singh, Sethu and Varnam Aiyram and Silunu Oru Kadhal film characters. I can tell you 100 percent that what we think about women is not entirely true. Just like men they have needs and wants and they do it so discreetly that men don’t know. Wether treating men like punching bag or having affairs. It’s just how the world is. The concept of respecting marriage is overshadowed by whether one understand the needs of the other. The directors are filming what they are really hearing and seeing in the world today. So just embrace yourself that this is how real world life is. Tamil films may potray women as timid and not accurately how a women feels while in hindi and western films they potray how women are actually raw in their feelings towards men. They are complex, complicated and never feel subjected by the society norms. It’s only men who are doctrined to do what is right and wrong. Only each ones consciousness can answer what they done in their life is right or wrong. So who are we to judge Arjun Reddy or Gabir Singh? After all “It is what it is”
Every person looks at films with their own lense, I myself watch movies as a fun and somewhere curious experience, But let's not forget there are definitely people who do try to imitate movies and Stuff, I think we have to make our people more aware that movies are movies and subjective and objective thinking, I mean There are people who believed everything in sanju was fact
When he pulls a knife out to coerce a woman to take off her clothes, it is played for comedy. Remember The guy outside singing a stupid song, knocking on the door?
@@cyberrecluse7024 That is rape. It doesn't matter if she consented five seconds ago. She withdrew the consent and told him to get out. He didn't accept it and tried force her with a knife.
@@kollyjolly4188 first of all there's a huge difference between the situation in Arjun reddy and during an actual attempt of rape. In that scene the girl called AR and they were ready to have sex when suddenly her fiance comes right at the moment, the girl pushes arjun away not because she doesn't wanted to have sex , but she's afraid if her fiance would catch her with arjun. If arjun would have somehow forcibly had sex with her in that scene, then she wouldn't have any problem because it was the what she wanted to have in the first place. the only thing bothering her was the fear of getting caught while having sex . It would have been an attempted rape if the girl had no intention of having sex but arjun tries to force him down upon her.
The director of this movie in an interview told that the actual ending he planned was when the hero in the end asks her to come back, she intially refuses and then the hero requests her continuosly for 6 months or a year and she finally accepts. But he couldnt make it that way because he felt that the audience also have suffered for an hour along with the protagonist, so he dint want to subject them to further suffering and ended it on an happier note.
There are men like that and and there are women like preeti . That is so true ! And are we going to ignore the fact that he started pursuing her when she was in her first year . So she was a minor basically , I haven't watched the movie the trailer was enough for me to not look into bollywood movies again . Shahid did a brilliant job ! Again the movie could have been passable if they hadn't shown them being married
Baradwaj Sir, I did like your take on Arjun Reddy. I may agree with you on certain points, but I respectfully disagree with you on a few points. Here are my thoughts: 1. I agree with you on the point of charismatic, talented actors taking on the roles of despicable men makes the audience empathize with them. It's a certain level screen presence and charisma that they bring on to the screen that makes us invested in them. The best example for this would be, Daniel Day Lewis's character Daniel Plainview in PT Anderson's There Will Be Blood. He is a despicable human being that we should not relate to, but Daniel Day Lewis's performance makes him a complex individual. 2. I will disagree with you on The Wolf Of Wall Street. The way I interpreted the film is that we are laughing at Jordan Belfort and his employees for being despicable and amoral idiots. Leonardo DiCaprio and Jonah Hill's performance brings a certain inherent likeability to these characters, that keeps us invested in a 3 hour saga. I would say Scorsese is criticizing the American culture for seeing these stockbrokers as successful people and he is also criticizing the American justice system for letting off white collar criminals with a minor punishment like Jordan Belfort. I did not empathize with Leonardo DiCaprio's character, moreover, I was shocked and entertained by his character who would go such lengths to make money by illegal means and the illegal ways to protect it. 3. I do agree with your point of characters with a complicated morality or unlikeable characters in Telugu cinema is a new idea. It's a very rare to see a character with flaws to in Telugu cinema. 4. I felt that Arjun Reddy was underwritten and the message of his pain and his journey through redemption was handled poorly. I do not agree with film's portrayal of women . Telling the story from his point of view only gives us one side of the story to this toxic relationship. I would have loved to see Preethi's point of view of this relationship, why she was attracted to such horrible, misogynistic men. I thought that the director would improve upon the original or found something new to say, when they announced they were remaking it in bollywood. Your explanation makes more sense to this film. I think that explanation does get lost in Vijay's dominating performance. These are some of my thoughts on this video.
Basically it's his journey from being Arjun Reddy to somewhat trying to be a Gautam Menon hero..where the hero accepts the woman and her child from another marriage ( yennai arindhaal).
@@juhigupta4574 yes Juhi they do I know That's why glorifying this character would inspire others to follow them thinking oh this is cool That's how we fall in love etc Crime rate is the proof He asks a woman to remove clothes on knifepoint
@Gargee Basak offcourse not all. But who do they take it as cool macho image guy. As film is not only telling a story it's glorified. Why I should stop when I see not all but there people who got influenced by 3 idiots and tried to understand kid's interest(not all). If there can be positive effects then negative can be as well
I didn't like arjun reddy (please don't curse me, its my opinion just like you have yours), but I didn't have any problem with RX100, I felt that in that movie the gender got reversed.... V hve seen movies were men prey on woman, rx100 just swaps the gender, a woman preying on a man... I didn't find anything misogynist in it.... Again my opinion only, u can agree or not agree
Hi BR, I forgot to include a question. In the beginning you see him almost threatening a woman for changing her mind with sex.(this is almost rape). Immedietly followed by him asking for a girl from his friend. This is all surrounded by the arjun reddy theme song. Don't you think this is extreme?
Yes it's glass ceiling just because a Telugu director with one movie experience made entry into Bollywood with superhit film. Even there some cheap fellows generalizing that South people are mysagonistic & they don't know about movies
The funniest part . around 24:00. To all those who think the " urban multiplex " audience is better than " B, C" centres . The characters -Kabir singh & Preethi Sikka are rich, educated & even intelligent . Didn't stop them from being uncouth or emotionally immature . Kabir Singh to me ,was a nuanced movie .
Thank God that I am not the only one who thinks Bala's Sethu was disturbing and he was a stalker who forces a woman to love him and in the process destroys her. If he had just left her alone, she would have gone on to marry her cousin, the priest and live an ordinary mundane life. Instead, Sethu messes her up by brow beating her to love him and in the end she kills herself because she won't marry another.
I liked Bala's Sethu when I was in school and cried my eyes out during the climax but now when I watch it, it doesnt make any sense of why and how she should fall in love with him. In Arjun Reddy Preethi seems to be in love with him from the very start but it's not the case in Sethu she is terrified at the sight of him.
Interesting topic. I am open to seeing flawed characters but do not agree with glorifying their deeds. But then again it's subjective. Tony Stark is definitely a flawed character but is not glorified up until the moment when he's selfless which gives his character a chance at redemption by the audience. I also remember watching "The Social Network" wondering why am I not stopping to watch this film when I clearly know he's an asshole. But that question was answered brilliantly by David Finch with the climax where one of lawyer says "You are not an asshole Mark, but you try to be one." To be honest, it was one of the satisfying ending I've ever seen.
Audience need to look at Arjun Reddy the right way, as they never ever glorified misogyny, the character is flawed af, and he suffers the inconsequences for his bad decisions, and there is a transition of him becoming a better person.
We can interpret all we want, end of the day a lot of younger generation do get influenced by these "asshole" characterization and they will aspire to be one of these guys!
Sadly our audience do get influenced by media...there were rising suicide rates following release of 13 reasons why..the series was to bring in awareness and initiate talks on suicides bullying mental health and rape in high schools ..(all though the second part was deliberately made violent, in my opinion) and for centuries our boys believe cat calling and ragging in colleges is the way to woman's heart after watching our beloved heroes.. PS: it was a very good review
I must say.. whatever is there about a movie or not.. the way u are looking at both the people conversing on the movie is actually in a larger perspective.. 🤘🏼
Heee Hee deassholified indeed. More to think that people from the same platform can have different opinions. Sucharita can say her opinion as well which I would respectfully disagree. You cant draw a line on one plot and think it's causing a difference. I know in reality much worse happen than what Arjun reddy does.
you really got every points i thought when these trashy minded people criticising the most loved movie by me. its the way we percieve it. and it was not done by prime minister modi so that everyone is going to think that as a manditory thing to follow like standing up for national anthem. its a film made by an intellectual person and its an art and no one going to be like arjun or kabir and if they are i consider them lucky and unlucky simultaneously. i loved both the movies and im now gonna watch arjun reddy the 13 th time and fuck people who say he deserved a bad ending. because as u said both deserved each other .
The simple fact of the matter is that there is a rawness and sheer energy to the character of Arjun Reddy or Kabir Singh for that matter that makes these characters endearing to the audience. Passion, confidence and sheer talent in their respective fields are positive traits that can indeed mask negative or grey characteristic traits like entitlement mentality, arrogance, bad temper etc. Iam not justifying the character, just saying it as it is. Besides as BR Rangan aptly pointed out, the character of Preethi was no mute victim either. It is just that the movie was predominantly focused on the hero and feminist critics never like a movie where a strong male character is presented (definitely flawed in this case)
Okay. No. I am only 8 minutes into the video and I have to say this. 1. A flawed character can be the central character. You can show how and when they became that way. In this movie, you can't just call Arjun Reddy a protagonist. He is the hero. He has the BGMs and the central role and the songs among other things. We can have the story of the protagonist. What we cannot have is the "hero" "getting" the girl. The hero who almost rapes and the hero who operates inebriated and gets away with it. That isn't heroic. This guy marks a girl his own and puts her molester in charge of her protection. This man should not entice heroism but the movie does just that. Imagine having the protagonist rape a girl, get away with it and being portrayed as the hero. This will never happen, the audience will not accept it. Because, morality. But almost raping is okay? Is that where we draw the line? 2. It's funny you said Arjun Reddy is about a guy who realizes the errors of his ways. It's not. But Kaatru Veliyidai is. While we can call a former Misogynist "a man who realised the errors of his way", you can never call whatever Arjun Reddy is, that.
This ... This is the most balanced critique i have ever seen... I always saw Arjun Reddy as a crazy love story between you equally crazy people... We would have seen that kind of love in some couples ... When i heard Sucharitha's review ... I was kinda snubbed... How did she not notice that...
i do have a problem with arjun being a hypocrite where he threatens a woman in the beginning when she doesn't want to have sex with him and later on berates a guy for objectifying another woman
Arjun thinks he can get away with his pain by doing sex. Sex without love. In the opening shot, a woman comes to him whose fiance was treated by Arjun. She doesn't know that he is just looking for sex/afraid of her fiance and says NO. This ashol guy looses his cool and points knife to remove her dress. And then when the light turns up, he realizes that he is being like an ashol and lets her go. He tries to sleep with Jia Sharma but she says that she loves him which makes him angry. He actually never sleeps with anyone other than with his love. Also in one scene Rahul Ramakrishna says 'Do you think you can get away with this by doing such things?' He also says to his father he brings many women just to share his story and cry before them. It's a clearly written character. Some north critics called all this as rape, assault, blah blah.
Arjun reddy's main point of view was Arjun's anger which leads to his idiotic acts. Arjun doesn't talk properly talks to his father when his father asks him what private space was Arjun involved in? Arjun angrily acts like he is superior to Preethi and tells her he doesn't care if she leaves him and when Preethi tries to convince Preethi he slaps her? Anger is the main thing why Arjun loses later in him life. What the movie probably told the audience was anger is not good.
My problem with AR/KS is not with the story or the characters, I'd love to watch a story with a bunch of problematic characters. My issue is with the way the story is told. I just wish the story was told with a little more sensitivity. Bring in all the uncomfortable things, don't change even one, but just maybe don't make him out to be a "Hero" - Human is fine.
Respect,you are a true movie critic,that has no hidden agenda. We Indian audience doesn't have understand movie and have very narrow sense ,movie must be seen as a movie and the story it presents. Kabir Singh is a movie about a deranged , entitled , psychopath, misogynistic asshole ,as simple as that. Both persons who tries to copy Kabir Singh and those who see this as a movie which celebrates patriarchic and misogyny are morons .
This ladies and gentlemen is a professional movie critic who doesn't run his agenda on your face.
Man...You are a legend!!!
No other critic in this country can look at/understand a movie the way you do.
You are a genius. Ametuers should learn how to critic a movie from you.
That's yy he got a National award!!
Absolutely! He's the best
Exactly bro..
Exactly most of other famous critics in India are too much obsessed with western film making style they kind of dont get our Indian movies sometimes but Mr Rangan as u said is a Legend. Nobody can analyse Indian films like he does.
Pratik borade ,aur Rajeev masand KO Dekh lo , English bolne wale bhaiyya ...
I'd love to see Sucharita and BR discuss about these issues together.
Yes!
Sucharita tyagi doesn't have any sense of movies.
@@rohitk9221 see you may disagree with someone point of view but don't name call. how are you then different from Kabir Singh.
Yes it would be amazing
@@rohitk9221 she lived in Delhi and Mumbai, so her worldview is limited to that limited cocoon.
Would love an intelligent movie critic like YOU in Bollywood. Best analysis of Kabir Singh (or Arjun Reddy as everything was same).
I do not think that honesty is well received in Bollywood, maybe that is why he is not there. 😛
north indian elites are preachy
He reviews Bollywood films
Not just in Bollywood, in every industry!
I started watching Tamil movies only after watching you review them. Your analysis of movies shows how much you love cinema and this breaks the barriers of language, culture, everything else!
@ I know Arjun Reddy is a Telugu movie! My comment was in general to BR.
@ Super Deluxe wants to know your location.
@ Pariyerum Perumal Vadachennai Peranbu super Deluxe are Telugu movies?
@@tanayyd5951 "c/o kancharapalem" , "manu "wants to call you know where you are
There is a reason he is THE BEST critic in India. Unbiased, articulate and mature.
De-Assholifies
OMG.. I'm in tears.. I can't control myself 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
Why don't you just F** OFF
@4.43 calleded🤔🤔
De-badassified
De-stupidified
De-sexified...
After watching Suchitra review I watched the movie.. I hated the fact he kissed her on first meet.. it scares how a senior does that.. ragging and stuff is scary and not good for students or college.. that was the only issue for me... Later they both are in love they can do whatever they want...
The instant kiss is inspired from Romeo and Juliet ... somewhere the hero felt the girl belongs to him.. it's just that confidence he had on that instant connection ...that's what this movie is about
@Gargee Basak So they did that in 16th century and still u have a problem with just a movie in 20th century....If it was real,even i would complain..But it's just a fictional character.
@Gargee Basak having sex is 16th century. Go mgtow
It is love at first sight for both ,I see it that way . Probably director thought people will realise that
@@rexy899 The girl was numb she was helpless the seniors were too powerful..I couldn't feel love there..even Kabir was taking advantage of his power that's what I felt..
Now HE is who you call a critic. Great work man. Big ups.
"Both are nutcases".... I definitely bought that🤣.... Actually the only aspect that helped me get through the movie
I think Kabir Singh is more harsh becoz of Shahid Kapoor...
Also in his college days Kabir Singh seemed like a mad boy...
Instead Arjun Reddy had only anger issues..
Sandeep Reddy is a director who got inspired from Martin Scorsese, Quentin Tarantino, Anurag Kashyap and Imitiaz Ali. So his films have most of elements from the above directors. Like Self Inflicted protagonist, love and life, nativity of the place and raw characters. Filmmakers have right to make any type of films, they're not meant to make moralistic films for a society
How about make a terrorist as a hero and glorify him.. because u know freedom of expression.
The difference between Martin and Tarantino and Sandeep is that the latter glorifies toxic masculinity and misogyny but earlier don't
The point wasnt that flawed men dont exist or dont deserve to have their stories told . Its the glorification of what is obviously a terrible person . Tell stories of flawed people ....but make sure that you treat them as such .
Wolf of wall street, Godfather, Oceans, Breaking Bad series all go down well with you I'm sure. Closer home Gangs of Wasseypur, Dhoom and plenty others. Pick one of these where the bad guys aren't glorified!!
Fake feminism is the new in thing these days.
No...those stories dont go down well with me . There have always been women who have criticised how so called " great media " has done so at the expense of women . Its just that men havent been listening
Arjun actually redeems himself in the end yes he is an asshole for the most part of the movie and yes there courtship was especially problematic
But in the end his grandmas death signifies a huge change in arjun , his dialogue that 10% of life is important rest all reactions to it is a telling sign of that
Preethi was a significant incident in arjuns life and his descent into darkness was a reaction to it
In the same way His grandmas death who loved him more or equally as preethi was another significant incident in life and maybe his guilt for not being there in her last movements signalled a sober phase in his life and as a result he stops all his vices and he gets his girl
Maybe its directors way of telling that say no to the bottle or a plain convenient ending but that is the redemption for arjun
He lost his career , his significant persona (For good ), his grandma to get preethi
Thats pretty deep if you look at it
Arjun is a man child for most part of a movie averse of responsibilities but his itention to marry preethi without the knowledge of his child signified newfound responsibility in him
@@rohitreddy3980 his instances change via grandma death is not convincing to some extent.
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Unless we have watched our watch and recognises film about to end.
The only critic who understood this film differently and have different perspective kudos to him
Everybody understands.
But, issue who accepted n who not?
Not everyone look movies as movie and they look as they want to see.. Can't digest something other than what they feel is likeable to see....
Respect to this man's movie interpretation just increased.
He is the only reviewer who is reviewing this movie as a whole considering all the small factors that makes Arjun and Preethi the characters they are . Everyone else just pointing out two three scenes and thrashing the movie without covering the larger picture that is the difference between low IQ pseudo reviewer's and Mr.Bharadwaj rangan. Great insight sir.
Actually in Arjun Reddy or in Kabhir Singh My opinion is the character of Preethi should have been written as a strong girl that rejects him at the end even though she is a mother of his child..that will be a good conclusion that this movie...
But leaving that behind everybody talking about Kabhir Singh should have paid repercussions for his wrong behaviour with Preethi...
Yaar that's in the hand of the girl at the end..
This review or in better words discussion answers all the accusations of misogyny regarding the movie. If you do not know even now, Arjun reddy harms himself more than any other person and besides she herself was deeply in love with him. The whole rationale behind her family rejecting him was narrow minded thinking and that would have weighed on her mind as well. She rejecting him just because of his immature behavior while dealing with her family, forgetting all the happy memories they shared is kind of unfair and does not do justice to her character.
@@Hari-kx2er we are on the same page here I do like the ending of the movie... What I am saying is if anybody wants to criticize the movie then they should ask for changes in the woman's character... Instead they are talking about only the man's misbehaviour with the woman...
She got the chance to leave him but she decided to stay with him... She is not forced to be with him...that's what I am saying...
she rejected him by marrying the other person..
but wasted her and that sikh boy's life in the meantime..
why cant they live together? he is bad but still loves her a lot.. he didnt raise even a ques about her child nd was ready to be with her at that time.. even the most liberal minds in india wont do that..
we all have dominating parents.. they restrict our choices at every walk of life.. do we leave them after getting a job?
@Hhemanth kumar well said.. actually in reality that would happen because no girl can tolerate such a stupid person who has that kind of attitude issues.. here in the comments people are defending his character that even he’s bad, but he still loves her bla bla something like that..I don’t understand is that called love?? That’s such a toxic love omg 😱
The movie is titled "Arjun Reddy" . When the movie is titled " Pretty Shetty" we can see her point of view.
May be Sucharita should watch the malayalam movie Neena released in 2015. It had a female character which was quite close to the Arjun Reddy character.
Most of my thoughts overlaps with yours how I digested the movie, but I just want to quote Oscar Wilde here regarding it's impression on some demographics. 'Life imitates Art far more than Art imitates Life'.
That's aptly put👏
Superb
This is the most balanced discussion about the film in the youtube.
Isn't this a monologue? Discussion usually involves at least two people.
@@HR-or8tx Did you not see hear read out the views of 20 people and then respond to each of them? Isn't discussion exchange of ideas/views about a topic? Dumbo.
@@anilnadella3930 it's not really a discussion because those whose responses were read out could not say anything back. It was one-sided. I see you are still juvenile with your unnecessary name calling. No point trying to talk sense to you.
@@HR-or8tx I am still juvenile? Did you know me before or did we interact before? Dumbo teaching me technicalities. Core of discussion is exchange of view points. Conversation is not necessary. Dumbo.
@@anilnadella3930 yes, you absolutely are. If your argument is not strong enough, one resorts to name calling and that's exactly what you're doing here. Why are you so frustrated! Take a chill pill. And while you're at it, look up the meaning of a discussion and enlighten yourself.
the way he analyses movies is incredible.. the depth and insight he lends to each scene is truly amazing. this guy gave me fresh perspectives of looking at cinema. take a bow, sir!
One of the most appreciated south film premam was all about the Male protagonist. We were completely oblivious about what the hell was going on in the women's heads. Same way, Arjun Reddy is about the titular character. The spotlight is on him . The narrative is designed that way! It's his story damnit. So stop saying the female was sidelined . ..( a lot of critics were of the opinion)
Thank you for acknowledging the problematic part regarding the character.Ok now don't abuse me for pointing out my opinion cuz this is the way I looked at it. I still believe, though we are meant to look at a film just as it is, the message it gives to the society still matters. Look I havent seen Kabir Singh but I saw AR. The part where he molests a women by pointing a knife and the part where he chases the maid are used as comedy and to make the audience laugh. The pace and setting of these scenes are made to make the audience laugh. These are the references that Sucharitha and even Rajeev Masand stated them and the fact is it doesnt stop there. It is reasonable for people to have a problem with them cuz they are problematic and its simple as that. The problem is the film spent too much time glorifying (I felt it did) his shit and by the time we had to sypathise with the character when he's fucked up for real (and the part where the director actually want the audience to sympathise with the character), I personally felt its too hard to forgive this character. Plus he never apologise or does not acknowledge the wrongful way he treated Preethi and other people. Also it could have been better if the makers created some point of view from Preethi's character so that the story would be more interesting. For me this is the weakest link in the film as she clearly has no say and acts more like Arjun's puppet. I mean for real its 3 hour long film, they could have made some effort to include that. For this reason, their relationship came across as bit forced. In Devdas (similar theme), we not only see the film from his point of view but also from Paro and Chnadramukhi. In the end he actually faces the consequences and that is more believable.
I am glad that these negative aspects of this film got called out in the Hindi Version cuz not many said much about AR. Having said that I do agree with the positive aspects of the film you mentioned. Also VD was outstanding and I am sure Sk did a great job as well.Great video Sir.
let me point out my opinion on things you have pointed out..
1..in the first scene with raping the woman,the acting and direction are subtle..if you see arjun's face once the power comes back,he knows that he is wrong and throws the knife..(not justifing just an observation,but still wrong,i agree.)
2..maid do crack jokes in the previous scenes and friend say's "maids have a mafia/union" creating a fun circumstances..
3..i agree that the character is misogynistic and has toxic masculinity,but they are not glorified..he losses everything in his life except the girl.. if you think getting the girl is the sole purpose for guys in the life its not that way..
4..preethi having less screen time is because its made on "kabir singh/arjun reddy"..its not always about same screen time to male characters and female characters.. its about the story..
5..initially the movie was more than 4 hours which included everything the director thought of..since such a long film cant be played in cinemas they edited to 3hours which is also a long film..
When sanju came out anupama chopra and suchariyha tyagi didn't say a thing about ranbir saying "prostitute ko alag raku " than every body loved it
She did not review it as it is a vidhu Vinod chopra movie. (Conflict of interest)
The company didnt review it to ignore the biasedness since Anupama was related to Vidhu.
Exactly.
And also sanjay dutt is living person not a fuctional character like kabir singh.
But still sanju can say 350 likhlo on safer side.
Bloody partial people
I don't see the contradiction, but you cannot argue that both are regressive. And should not have been made.
And prostitution is very much legal in many countries(including Canada), I really don't think how this is repressive or misogynistic. If you are don't like their review if the movie that's completely fine dude but at least use a valid argument.
@Film Companion South...thank you for such amazing review of Arjun Reddy. I watched the movie with subtitles as I don't understand Telugu. I'm consider as feminist by many people however I never felt AR as misogynist type of movie. I totally agree with Baradwaj Rangan review of AD. Thumbs up for such review
After hearing some other critics, its refreshing to finally hear a sane balanced review
And sir what about how the music amplified his heroism? When he slapped her(in arjun reddy) the music is peppy , almost a pumping music , almost in adding to the attitude , you said playing charismatic people will make audience root for character, and I don't agree, there are bgms and other small elemements in the movie that are glorifying him
Deepthi N I partially agree with the music being sort of glorifying but look at this way, the music we hear is what reflects Arjun’s emotional state i.e. when he is angry that thumping bgm plays, when he is sad another kind of bgm plays.
@@saiashwin26 but what about the scene i mentioned? What was he feeling when he slapped her? Watch the scene again . The bgm is almost like supporting his crazy behaviour
Deepthi N I had issues with the BGM too, it’s one of the movie’s flaws. It wasn’t too ironic or too subjective. It meandered here and there. Maybe if the BGM was removed, the glorification would have been less apparent.
@@saiashwin26yup maybe, in South movies, telugu specially , half glorification is often done through bgm
@@deepthin7480 after that slap he will become beggar.. so slap a girl and become beggar.. you can watch veere di wedding and do mastrubation it's the message that gives for women empowerment
The girl priti was very submissive in nature, and she also enjoyed the hype she got because of kabir as she was a timid girl.
Kabir was handsome, supremely more talented then others she came across and rich. Why will she not like him?
Arjun/kabir was a narcissistic so whatever he did was just his nature.
One of the most perfect analysis !
It's like u have articulated my thoughts about the movie. Thank u ☺️
The girl knows the guy Kabir was Shahid Kapoor so she fell for him.
Kabir wasn't narcissistic. He was self destructive.
A narcissist would be way more aware of what they are doing. Kabir Singh just had anger issues
#ArjunReddy or #KabirSingh was about a man in love who is deeply overpossive , has no control over his impulsiveness and is self-destructive. It is not correct to interpret the movie through the narrow prism of Pseudo Feminism. The movie is only about LOVE and it is not about "toxic mysogeny" as it being alleged by Film Critics.
That's why he is the best critic in India. How articulate he is in explaining his point of view. And also understanding what other point of views are. But most of all he views Movies as movies.that's a rarity here. That's what it should be. But we don't live in a perfect world. So the outrage
Unconditional love within a flawed relationship and two half baked people. They are evolving with time and experience. They fell in love and just figured it out while making mistakes fumbling around. What works for one set of people might not for another.
Their commitment towards each other held them together. We rarely see that nowadays and that struck a chord with many.
It is nothing else but aggression, aggression can be active (breaking things, hitting people) or passive (constantly thinking that one is flawed). It happens when people do not express themselves fully, some people do not express from childhood, it does not mean that they are inexpressive, it is just that they haven't found a safe/healthy way to express their emotions. They did not have healthy relationships with their parents and were not taught how to feel maybe by their parent(s), who were also like that. And girls who have relationships with such guys have disturbed relationships with their parents, so, they do not know about unconditional love. I am not biased, girls can be aggressive and in relationship with nice guys too. 🙏
When preethi hits Kabir, everyone laughs. When kabir slaps preethi,everyone angry...I think we should change our mindset.
Sir u r awesome, great explanation.
I think those fems didn't watch the movie completely. Judgemental fools
@Gargee Basak first girl who says this... U have no right to hit a man
Omg omg the “both of them are nutcases”, just gave me a completely new way of looking at KS/AR, but again the character is undercooked
I am pretty sure even the director didnt think of the Arjun Reddy character like you did, I guess one will see what they want to see .
Critics should not bring up their personal agendas/beliefs when reviewing or "not reviewing" movies.
Hey Bardwaj Rangan, can you show this to Suchitra and it would be great if you both sit and talk about Arjun Reddy
In a literally 3 hour movie, all Suchitra can see Arjun's misogyny
Sucharita reviewed Kabir Singh, not Arjun Reddy. And BR watched Arjun Reddy, not Kabir Singh. Their opinions come from what each movie has made them feel, and their reviews do not take into account what was depicted in the other movie because they hadn't seen the other one. One opinion is not less valid than the other, because each of them have backed up their opinions with some solid arguments. A discussion between them would be interesting, yes, but if you want BR to convert Sucharita into his way of thinking, then I'm afraid you're approaching the matter from a very problematic vantage point
@@Stonytude bullshit.. When Robert de Nero did -raging bull... That became a all time phenomena... He was meaner much much more arsehole... He was glorified.. He became all time legend
Kudos, BR! Solid, solid discussion. I'm really happy that so many people that were influenced by Suchirita's review came here and had a change of perspective.
After following so many reviews and opinions from others and having my opinion... and your video
I must say.. when 2 people are in love don't fall in between 😂😂🤣🤣 because both are nut cases.. and that is true in real world as well 🤣🤣😂😂
Sucharita spoiled the film for me
You rejuvenated my love for AR/KS
You de-fakefeministified me :D
We need people who see films from different perspectives
Rightly said
this is the best analysis I have seen about these 2 movies. hats off.
When his grand mother dies..his dialogue with his father also depicts how much he evolved or matured....(10%is real and 90% is our reaction to it)
Concerning women getting back with such men, let me answer that for you. Since I had been a victim of such relationship previously, I believe I can answer it. If you publicize movies like these, women/girls will continue to believe that relationships like these are NORMAL which in true sense is NOT. This was exactly what I used to feel then. It is not just restricted to fearing over if/not I will get another person solely.
This movie must have shown SOME level of atonement because of which people would have come to a realization that harboring such persona in our society is unacceptable and unhealthy because it would propagate toxic and abusive relationships.
whts abusive in this movie between the two characters ? slapping her? lol. you need to understand the reasons why wld or have slapped her in the movie and then the justification later. its not him being abusive rather he is trying to put her right towards some issues
@@sandeepgedala7589 Hmm, interesting point.
There’s a difference between depiction and endorsement. Arjun Reddy and Kabir Singh portray these kind of men as attractive and glorify their arrogance and toxic masculinity as if it’s an “attitude” that is stylish. This is not a cautionary tale, he gets the girl in the end, he is still successful. I agree with what you say about POV. Perspective and tone is what differentiates the way you portray a flawed character - whether the movie is simply showing a truth or celebrating a problematic narrative
It’s the same toxic masculinity that Tere Naam had . But because of the Times of #Metoo people want to see the change and Iam happy that this made people uncomfortable . That shows how far we have come. To atleast recognize what is problematic behavior.
Loved how you put it. Both are nutcases and deserved each other. Which is true if you see alot of relationships. Is it right? Who are we to judge.
Beautiful criticism and analysis...👏👏👏
He is the best
Arjun Reddy movie has philosophical edge in it.
Where is that Ms. Not a movie review? Did you watch this? Change your show name to "I don't know to review! "
If you see this review, even Bhardwaj is mentioning that if you can look past certain aspects time and again. He even goes in depth in trying to explain how the kind of background and movies we watch makes the basis of what we can look past. Its less that Sucharita can't review and more that you don't want to hear what Bhardwaj is saying apart from the small part where he doesn't judge the movie as harshly.
Very balanced review unlike many reviewers/critics/people who take everything at face value, cannot read between the lines, cannot look beneath the surface and can't really connect different pieces together at all.
Ages before Sarat babu wrote about a similar flawed misogynous character - Devdas. Even until today, every connoisseur of good literature considers the novel a cult classic, when that too was a celebration of a wasted mortal in the name of love. Nobody goes bonkers about it - not even the liberal intellectuals. Because even a flawed character deserves a story and possibly a path towards redemption. That doesn't mean society has to endorse the actions, instead society can learn what not to. Sensible people will come around after committing the mistakes or by seeing others commit. Those who are misogynist will remain so - a film can't change their toxic mentality. It's the upbringing and right family values that define a person's character in most part. If a movie could change the individual moral values, everyone would become a Baahubali or Bajrangi Bhaijaan
"..both of them are equal nutcases and both of them deserve each other!"
🤣
Actually the truth is there are real people in life out there who are like, Arjun Reddy, Gabir Singh, Sethu and Varnam Aiyram and Silunu Oru Kadhal film characters. I can tell you 100 percent that what we think about women is not entirely true. Just like men they have needs and wants and they do it so discreetly that men don’t know. Wether treating men like punching bag or having affairs. It’s just how the world is. The concept of respecting marriage is overshadowed by whether one understand the needs of the other. The directors are filming what they are really hearing and seeing in the world today. So just embrace yourself that this is how real world life is. Tamil films may potray women as timid and not accurately how a women feels while in hindi and western films they potray how women are actually raw in their feelings towards men. They are complex, complicated and never feel subjected by the society norms. It’s only men who are doctrined to do what is right and wrong. Only each ones consciousness can answer what they done in their life is right or wrong. So who are we to judge Arjun Reddy or Gabir Singh? After all “It is what it is”
One of the best discussions on Arjun Reddy I've come across.
Every person looks at films with their own lense, I myself watch movies as a fun and somewhere curious experience, But let's not forget there are definitely people who do try to imitate movies and Stuff, I think we have to make our people more aware that movies are movies and subjective and objective thinking, I mean There are people who believed everything in sanju was fact
When he pulls a knife out to coerce a woman to take off her clothes, it is played for comedy. Remember The guy outside singing a stupid song, knocking on the door?
No it is not played for comedy bro, it's the characteral arc of man turning into animal
aruncatarun exactly
@@cyberrecluse7024 That is rape. It doesn't matter if she consented five seconds ago. She withdrew the consent and told him to get out. He didn't accept it and tried force her with a knife.
@@kollyjolly4188 first of all there's a huge difference between the situation in Arjun reddy and during an actual attempt of rape. In that scene the girl called AR and they were ready to have sex when suddenly her fiance comes right at the moment, the girl pushes arjun away not because she doesn't wanted to have sex , but she's afraid if her fiance would catch her with arjun. If arjun would have somehow forcibly had sex with her in that scene, then she wouldn't have any problem because it was the what she wanted to have in the first place. the only thing bothering her was the fear of getting caught while having sex . It would have been an attempted rape if the girl had no intention of having sex but arjun tries to force him down upon her.
@@Punk-qk8bq dude, that is also rape. Knife = rape
The director of this movie in an interview told that the actual ending he planned was when the hero in the end asks her to come back, she intially refuses and then the hero requests her continuosly for 6 months or a year and she finally accepts. But he couldnt make it that way because he felt that the audience also have suffered for an hour along with the protagonist, so he dint want to subject them to further suffering and ended it on an happier note.
There are men like that and and there are women like preeti . That is so true !
And are we going to ignore the fact that he started pursuing her when she was in her first year . So she was a minor basically , I haven't watched the movie the trailer was enough for me to not look into bollywood movies again .
Shahid did a brilliant job ! Again the movie could have been passable if they hadn't shown them being married
Baradwaj Sir, I did like your take on Arjun Reddy. I may agree with you on certain points, but I respectfully disagree with you on a few points.
Here are my thoughts:
1. I agree with you on the point of charismatic, talented actors taking on the roles of despicable men makes the audience empathize with them. It's a certain level screen presence and charisma that they bring on to the screen that makes us invested in them. The best example for this would be, Daniel Day Lewis's character Daniel Plainview in PT Anderson's There Will Be Blood. He is a despicable human being that we should not relate to, but Daniel Day Lewis's performance makes him a complex individual.
2. I will disagree with you on The Wolf Of Wall Street. The way I interpreted the film is that we are laughing at Jordan Belfort and his employees for being despicable and amoral idiots. Leonardo DiCaprio and Jonah Hill's performance brings a certain inherent likeability to these characters, that keeps us invested in a 3 hour saga. I would say Scorsese is criticizing the American culture for seeing these stockbrokers as successful people and he is also criticizing the American justice system for letting off white collar criminals with a minor punishment like Jordan Belfort. I did not empathize with Leonardo DiCaprio's character, moreover, I was shocked and entertained by his character who would go such lengths to make money by illegal means and the illegal ways to protect it.
3. I do agree with your point of characters with a complicated morality or unlikeable characters in Telugu cinema is a new idea.
It's a very rare to see a character with flaws to in Telugu cinema.
4. I felt that Arjun Reddy was underwritten and the message of his pain and his journey through redemption was handled poorly. I do not agree with film's portrayal of women . Telling the story from his point of view only gives us one side of the story to this toxic relationship. I would have loved to see Preethi's point of view of this relationship, why she was attracted to such horrible, misogynistic men.
I thought that the director would improve upon the original or found something new to say, when they announced they were remaking it in bollywood. Your explanation makes more sense to this film. I think that explanation does get lost in Vijay's dominating performance.
These are some of my thoughts on this video.
Basically it's his journey from being Arjun Reddy to somewhat trying to be a Gautam Menon hero..where the hero accepts the woman and her child from another marriage ( yennai arindhaal).
The hero here s too real to handle as the audience are too much spoon feeded with the moral romantic guy ....
Exactly they are too spoon fed with ddlj Sharukh who randomly pulls a bra in first conversation. And that's romantic for them
@@JR-wp2pv No I find it creepy as hell
Now we are woke
So are you saying that guys in real life behave like AR/KB? We are in deep trouble if such disgusting behavior is considered legitimate...
@@juhigupta4574 yes Juhi they do
I know
That's why glorifying this character would inspire others to follow them thinking oh this is cool
That's how we fall in love etc
Crime rate is the proof
He asks a woman to remove clothes on knifepoint
@Gargee Basak offcourse not all. But who do they take it as cool macho image guy. As film is not only telling a story it's glorified. Why I should stop when I see not all but there people who got influenced by 3 idiots and tried to understand kid's interest(not all). If there can be positive effects then negative can be as well
To all pseudo feminists: If you think this movie is bad, I dare you to watch RX100
Dare you ? Lol!! That movie is a by product child of arjun reddy. Whats there to even discuss.
Rx 100 is porn movies don't compare it with cult classic love story Arjun Reddy.
I didn't like arjun reddy (please don't curse me, its my opinion just like you have yours), but I didn't have any problem with RX100, I felt that in that movie the gender got reversed.... V hve seen movies were men prey on woman, rx100 just swaps the gender, a woman preying on a man... I didn't find anything misogynist in it.... Again my opinion only, u can agree or not agree
They are doing a remake of RX100 in Bollywood. It will be interesting to see how people react to that one.
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Hi BR, I forgot to include a question. In the beginning you see him almost threatening a woman for changing her mind with sex.(this is almost rape). Immedietly followed by him asking for a girl from his friend. This is all surrounded by the arjun reddy theme song. Don't you think this is extreme?
Yes it's glass ceiling just because a Telugu director with one movie experience made entry into Bollywood with superhit film.
Even there some cheap fellows generalizing that South people are mysagonistic & they don't know about movies
Absolute legend .... Great to see an Indian critic not jumping into conclusions and speaking rationally
The funniest part . around 24:00. To all those who think the " urban multiplex " audience is better than " B, C" centres . The characters -Kabir singh & Preethi Sikka are rich, educated & even intelligent . Didn't stop them from being uncouth or emotionally immature . Kabir Singh to me ,was a nuanced movie .
Thank God that I am not the only one who thinks Bala's Sethu was disturbing and he was a stalker who forces a woman to love him and in the process destroys her. If he had just left her alone, she would have gone on to marry her cousin, the priest and live an ordinary mundane life. Instead, Sethu messes her up by brow beating her to love him and in the end she kills herself because she won't marry another.
I liked Bala's Sethu when I was in school and cried my eyes out during the climax but now when I watch it, it doesnt make any sense of why and how she should fall in love with him. In Arjun Reddy Preethi seems to be in love with him from the very start but it's not the case in Sethu she is terrified at the sight of him.
@@JR-wp2pv It's like inducing love - - if love it is - - through fear.
@@urbaniteurbanizer1612 hmmm that's definitely toxic
@@JR-wp2pv Funny thing in many Tamil movies toxic love is portrayed as real love....
@@urbaniteurbanizer1612 in Telugu movies too
What an excellent analysis
Interesting topic. I am open to seeing flawed characters but do not agree with glorifying their deeds. But then again it's subjective. Tony Stark is definitely a flawed character but is not glorified up until the moment when he's selfless which gives his character a chance at redemption by the audience. I also remember watching "The Social Network" wondering why am I not stopping to watch this film when I clearly know he's an asshole. But that question was answered brilliantly by David Finch with the climax where one of lawyer says "You are not an asshole Mark, but you try to be one." To be honest, it was one of the satisfying ending I've ever seen.
Mind blown by comparison to Sedhu, and realising the director was Bala, the guy who was supposed to remake the Tamil version of Arjun Reddy.
Remember Pyar tune Kya Kia, a female protagonist with huge obsession for a man?
The BGM confuse the fuck out of 22 year old me ...ki root for Arjun Reddy or disroot him
Hey dear esteemed critics, r u watching this???😂
Audience need to look at Arjun Reddy the right way, as they never ever glorified misogyny, the character is flawed af, and he suffers the inconsequences for his bad decisions, and there is a transition of him becoming a better person.
Show this to Sucharita and Rajeev masand
De-assholified😂😂😂
We can interpret all we want, end of the day a lot of younger generation do get influenced by these "asshole" characterization and they will aspire to be one of these guys!
Sadly our audience do get influenced by media...there were rising suicide rates following release of 13 reasons why..the series was to bring in awareness and initiate talks on suicides bullying mental health and rape in high schools ..(all though the second part was deliberately made violent, in my opinion) and for centuries our boys believe cat calling and ragging in colleges is the way to woman's heart after watching our beloved heroes..
PS: it was a very good review
Yaaar, this is an excellent analysis indeed.
Every point was backed up by proper logic and reasoning.
Great job.
I must say.. whatever is there about a movie or not.. the way u are looking at both the people conversing on the movie is actually in a larger perspective.. 🤘🏼
Thank you sir for taking this up 😊
Finally a sensible review ! We need more people like you 👍
He didn't sleep around man....he tried many times but he didn't and couldn't...
Heee Hee deassholified indeed. More to think that people from the same platform can have different opinions. Sucharita can say her opinion as well which I would respectfully disagree. You cant draw a line on one plot and think it's causing a difference. I know in reality much worse happen than what Arjun reddy does.
you really got every points i thought when these trashy minded people criticising the most loved movie by me. its the way we percieve it. and it was not done by prime minister modi so that everyone is going to think that as a manditory thing to follow like standing up for national anthem. its a film made by an intellectual person and its an art and no one going to be like arjun or kabir and if they are i consider them lucky and unlucky simultaneously. i loved both the movies and im now gonna watch arjun reddy the 13 th time and fuck people who say he deserved a bad ending. because as u said both deserved each other .
What sleeping around?(Arjun Reddy) FYI : He didn't sleep with anyone else other than Preethi.
It was the last thing he tried and still he couldn't.
The simple fact of the matter is that there is a rawness and sheer energy to the character of Arjun Reddy or Kabir Singh for that matter that makes these characters endearing to the audience. Passion, confidence and sheer talent in their respective fields are positive traits that can indeed mask negative or grey characteristic traits like entitlement mentality, arrogance, bad temper etc. Iam not justifying the character, just saying it as it is. Besides as BR Rangan aptly pointed out, the character of Preethi was no mute victim either. It is just that the movie was predominantly focused on the hero and feminist critics never like a movie where a strong male character is presented (definitely flawed in this case)
Now that's what i call a movie lover.
Okay. No. I am only 8 minutes into the video and I have to say this.
1. A flawed character can be the central character. You can show how and when they became that way. In this movie, you can't just call Arjun Reddy a protagonist. He is the hero. He has the BGMs and the central role and the songs among other things. We can have the story of the protagonist. What we cannot have is the "hero" "getting" the girl. The hero who almost rapes and the hero who operates inebriated and gets away with it. That isn't heroic. This guy marks a girl his own and puts her molester in charge of her protection. This man should not entice heroism but the movie does just that. Imagine having the protagonist rape a girl, get away with it and being portrayed as the hero. This will never happen, the audience will not accept it. Because, morality. But almost raping is okay? Is that where we draw the line?
2. It's funny you said Arjun Reddy is about a guy who realizes the errors of his ways. It's not. But Kaatru Veliyidai is. While we can call a former Misogynist "a man who realised the errors of his way", you can never call whatever Arjun Reddy is, that.
This ... This is the most balanced critique i have ever seen... I always saw Arjun Reddy as a crazy love story between you equally crazy people... We would have seen that kind of love in some couples ... When i heard Sucharitha's review ... I was kinda snubbed... How did she not notice that...
i do have a problem with arjun being a hypocrite where he threatens a woman in the beginning when she doesn't want to have sex with him and later on berates a guy for objectifying another woman
Did Arjun actually sleep around with women? We saw 2 instances and both those instances were stopped before anything serious happened.
Arjun thinks he can get away with his pain by doing sex. Sex without love. In the opening shot, a woman comes to him whose fiance was treated by Arjun. She doesn't know that he is just looking for sex/afraid of her fiance and says NO. This ashol guy looses his cool and points knife to remove her dress. And then when the light turns up, he realizes that he is being like an ashol and lets her go.
He tries to sleep with Jia Sharma but she says that she loves him which makes him angry. He actually never sleeps with anyone other than with his love. Also in one scene Rahul Ramakrishna says 'Do you think you can get away with this by doing such things?' He also says to his father he brings many women just to share his story and cry before them. It's a clearly written character. Some north critics called all this as rape, assault, blah blah.
Happy to have come across this review and Baradwaj Rangan.
What other people aren't noticing is that he is politely giving more and more points to kabir singh and politely saying that this mkvie is excellent
Yes
ARJUN never sleeps with anyone though calls to his room. Refer to shiva explaining the same to his father. Sir please.
Why are we even having the discussion? Would we have the discussion if it was a Ranbir/ Ranveer film?
Arjun reddy's main point of view was Arjun's anger which leads to his idiotic acts.
Arjun doesn't talk properly talks to his father when his father asks him what private space was Arjun involved in?
Arjun angrily acts like he is superior to Preethi and tells her he doesn't care if she leaves him and when Preethi tries to convince Preethi he slaps her?
Anger is the main thing why Arjun loses later in him life.
What the movie probably told the audience was anger is not good.
O dear God, the fact that "she makes eye contact" is seen as "first move" is like o my god maar hi do mujhe. How low is the bar ffs?
My problem with AR/KS is not with the story or the characters, I'd love to watch a story with a bunch of problematic characters. My issue is with the way the story is told.
I just wish the story was told with a little more sensitivity. Bring in all the uncomfortable things, don't change even one, but just maybe don't make him out to be a "Hero" - Human is fine.
Respect,you are a true movie critic,that has no hidden agenda.
We
Indian audience doesn't have understand movie and have very narrow sense ,movie must be seen as a movie and the story it presents.
Kabir Singh is a movie about a deranged , entitled , psychopath, misogynistic asshole ,as simple as that.
Both persons who tries to copy Kabir Singh and those who see this as a movie which celebrates patriarchic and misogyny are morons .