There is something wrong with battlescribe. The Empire warrior priest has a shield and an enchanted shield. You cannot have both. When you buy the enchanted shield you can leave the normal shield at home (and save the points)
Hey guys, I have no rules for ETC or balancing. But in 8th edition Fantasy my experience led to that you cannot solely rely on magic (and they always have a lot of points in spellcasters here.) You need strong combat characters too. I would always go for a Tomb king or at least a prince, fir the main combat block. And a BSB, for that extra point of combat result, the less crumbling of your units and the 'punch' a magic banner can give. Also experience. Play and practice. One list might work against this army, but not against that...
1. Luka: never apologise for rambling, its half the reason I'm a vault member 2. I can really understand the salt, especially from the more recent games. I think half the problem is you almost always end up going second and end up losing half your army to alpha, and the other half is that whenever you play Steve he always seems to have made the perfect counter list to your army. That and he is physically unable to roll badly against you. 3. Moar Fantasy and moar Cullen please.
Ahhhhhh, the good old days. The armies look great and two of my favorites. These armies were one of the reasons why I started my miniatures company with ancient Chinese because I now have an alternate "Empire" army and the Terracotta Warriors make great Tomb Kings. I enjoyed the bat rep and I am looking forward to showing off my build and paint Terracotta army on my channel. Thanks for the walk down memory lane. Watchful I Studio.
@@trajanthegreat2928 thanks!!! I recently did a couple of interviews with the Elector Counts podcast and started to work with the Warhammer Armies Project guys and they are looking at my ranges for Cathay and Ind so some nice expansion into the untouched part of the world. :)
I love your raport. I wish more and more ppl play WFB again. My community was disrupted because of "Sigmars times". GW has lost custommers I've lost much more... Your YT games give me a lot. Thanks.
Tip; put a tomb king or a tomb prince in your main combat unit. That gives them a higher weapon still. Easier to hit the enemy. More difficult for the enemy to hit you.
It was really stale. Nothing had changed in forever. Much better to let it progress somewhere else and then reboot in an earlier time. Granted it wasn’t announced or presented that way......but hey that’s where we’re going and I’m all for it.
Definitely should have charged the chariots into the side of the demigryphs when the opportunity came up, reasonable chance of breaking them and it would have protected your big blob a bit
Tomb kings Chariot 55 Pts. Demigriph Knight 58 Pts Tomb Guard 11 Pts Halbediers 6 Pts Says it all. The poor tomb kings - relying on Magic, they have good bound spells - but since these bound spells take away from your magic pool, they‘re worthless. I liked the bound spell rules of 6th better.
Dear Luka, You should take the 400 point compensation just because it'lll let you put more Tomb King models on the table and Tomb King models are incredible. With love, the Audience
This was a great battle report, and it highlights how Empire is a combined arms army. The halberdiers by themselves are nothing special, but when buffed with magic and the hurricanum, they were super nasty. A very cool battle, and I loved the post-battle commentary. Keep it up guys!
Love to see my beloved tomb kings again!!! Here are some tips for list: Hierophant - lvl4 nehek and Lich priest with lore of light (for more buff...like speed of light :P or ASF) or Death (to destroy characters) Warsphynxs!!! - Are great!! solid choise with T8, 4 attacks from the troops on top, 4A from the Sphinx, fire breath and stomps. And a 5++ AS Hierotitan - Excelent choise to over power your magic phase 2d6 from pool + 1d3 from the casket + 1d3 to each spell yours priests casts Tomb guard are great but still saving at 5+...better a block of 40 Skeletons warriors with LA if you want and Swords al Shieds for 5+ save and 6++ parry. WS6 from the TK will make harder to hit them. Screaming Skull catapult You can try out some necropolis knights...there are great in combat and saves +3 Thanks again for this BR!!!
Put the sigmar dead on squares and have fun! It's always nice to see more fantasy. Have you guys had a look at the Warhammer armies project? It may solve Balance issues and it's alot of fun
@@walterbarr3978A guy has spent years basicly making an unofficial 9th edition, with army lists aimed at closing the power gap. It also includes new armies that are lots of fun
A mistake with the casket: the enemy has to make a leadership test, not you, and as such he applies any modifier for L tests including bsb rerolling, the knights could have reroll i think. (TK FaQs) Also it is a warmachine to all effects so you can pivot it as much as you want. I dont think it is worth 6dice it every time, tho. imo the two big mistakes were not acepting the challenge with the king and charging the halberds instead the demis with the chariots. The chariots would have hold the turn because only one demi would fight and thus keep them out of the big fight. I would recomend a cheap unit with entombed beneath the sands to deal with warmachines and the backline, but if he is gona destroy his warmachines by itself i dont know if it is worth it xD And the guard with halberds if possible, although they are crazy expensive.
I'd love some how to play videos for these older games. I'm fairly new to Warhammer, just coming in around the beginning of 8th and I would love to learn these games. Things like Fantasy, Horus Heresy, Battlefleet Gothic, etc. Would be awesome to play but I have no idea how.
I have missed Fantasy. I wrote so many guides on the MWG forums. Wood Elves, Bretonnia, Beastmen etc. Jeez, that was maybe 10 years ago. I hope GW bring it back in a suitably glorious fashion.
Tips for tomb kings : Don’t fall for the trap of overcasting the casket every turn. Spam buffs and de buffs on the turns when you’re going to be in combat. With the extra dice from the casket, it is very hard for enemies to dispel many small spells efficiently. The casket often serves to draw out dice, more than to kill things. Don’t charge your chariots in the same turn as everything else. Line them up to get flank charges in subsequent turns. This time you lost efficiency on your tomb guard (with their good WS, hatred, and high strength) fitting in chariots that ended up costing you combat score. Tomb Kings don’t really have an answer to demigryphs and other monsters. The Destroyer of Eternities is worth considering for this. Issue and refuse challenges with your champion. Bring skeleton horse archers to redirect/speed bump the enemy. Next time reform one of the units of chariots at an angle : this forces the pistoliers to go where you want. Skeleton archers are more efficient than skeleton warriors. Don’t be afraid to take a big line of them and pepper his infantry for a few turns, then reform the line into a block the turn before combat happens.
@MWG: More Warhammer Fantasy Reports pls! This is more fun to watch that everything else! I hope GW will give us back epic Rank & File Games like this with OldWars...
Bring Clarence back when Covid is over! I just watched him vs Steve last night when Clarence snake eyes’d a moral check with his BSB to essentially win the game. Lol!
I thought Clarence quit Fantasy? The guy was an absolute legend to watch, but if he's still around I would love to know where I can find batreps with him.
stopped playing after Space marines humans came along in AOS still have a nice army of empire and vampire counts!, been playing LOTR and 40k to fill the gap. really enjoyed seeing the TK in action always wanted to collect them.
I honestly never took tombguard in 8th ed. I stuck my King in with 100 skeletons hwshield. The jump in price from 4 to 11 pts just didnt translate into enough damage difference in my opinion. 2 catapults 1 casket, warsphinx 3 chariots, 20 archers was usually my core build. I also thought musicians were way overcosted for undead so never wasted the points. To be fair though I had to stop playing shortly after empire came out.
Suggestion - quick, easy & legal way to make Tomb Kings better in 8th ed is to use the Undead Legion rules from End Times: Nagash. It means you can't take Settra but allows Tomb Kings to a) march b) not crumble when wizard dies and c) spells can heal more wounds on constructs. It doesn't make Tomb Kings OP - it just removes some of the worst handicaps they have. Also need to screen more with light cav to prevent flank & rear charges!
I was always curious why GW gave skeleton unit musicians horns. Skeletons are famous for their lack of both lungs and lips, both of which are essential for the operation of a horn
They do not really have muscles or tendons to move their arms to beat a drum either... Nor ears to hear the commands the horn blower makes... And a brain, and and and... Everything moves by magic..... Why not an ethereal magical wind blowing through the horen..
True! But magical mechanical movement and accepting commands is part and parcel of the whole undead thing. I do love the idea of the musician being enchanted to shout in horn noises and is given a horn to identify them
True! But that is famously their schtick. Granted, I recognize we are talking about literal fantasy here. Which is why I prefer shouty skelly musician theory now. It also avoids the rather upsetting mental image of a skeleton with lips to actually make noises on the horn, even if they were able to move air through them
The story behind the two skeleton attacks on the carts was that they were noble. And so they had more wealth and achieved an efficient mummification process. In fact, Tomb Guards should also have two attacks. But someone at GW forgot that.
The way to win with TK is simple, 50 man archer block + high queen khalida. 50 shots always hitting on 4+, with poisoned attacks. throw an incantation of righteous smiting on the unit and get 100 shots down range. tomb guard block with TK and necro is fun, but sadly it doesn't hold up against many units. get more skull catapults, i'd run 2 + casket as a baseline just my 10c
Can I just say guys I love that You guys are just having fun sans steve, really feel he’s lost the love for the game and just auto pilots through and the last few have been really grave game changing mistakes on his part as he generally takes over and walks the other player through the game. So happy to see Luka and Cullen have a fun game. Kudos
With regards to trying out things with the tomb kings I personally found a basic tomb prince added to a squad of skellies really helped to hold the line with the increased ws and some decent hitting power especially when given a great weapon.
1:41:23 Demigrpygh Knights are notoriously powerful. Even normally powered armies have problems against them. You should try and use the threat of the Casket - as it is so powerful opponents usually ahve to save their dispel dice for it, so you can get off A LOT of smaller spells relatively easily.
Nice armies, as usual, good game. Thank you for keeping the Old World alife! Concerning using AoS models in WHF: there are quite a lot that work well. Chaos has got many more toys of course, as got VC undead (some of those Nighthaunt rank up well, and you get Banshees for days of course). For Tomb Kings I'd suggest using Necropolis Stalkers as Ushabti for starters. Some of the foot characters could work well. The Mortek Crawler makes for an awesome (if huge) SSC. The kit of the Gothizzar Harvester could be used for any of the rare choice constructs. When using the ET Undead Legions rules, I'd suggest using the Kavalos Deathriders as thematially fitting "not-Bloodknights".
Tomb Kings are playable in AoS, but their rules are hidden away in a free PDF document on GW's website. The rules are most easily found by googling "tomb kings aos rules" and clicking on the link to GW. That said, it's cool to see them in a game of WFB. 👍
Coven of light, triple Warsphinx and for rare casket, double catapult and hierotitan seems to be the only kind of actually hard list the tombkings could make before endtimes (at 2400).
I should have added this to my other comment, but I knew a guy who had notoriously bad luck. He would occasionally set up all his dice, with the most recent "poorly behaved" die set aside, and berate that one die, then tell the rest "You don't want that to be you, so you'd better behave." One D&D session one of his d20s rolled a few too many 1s, so he decided he needed to up his game. He put the offending die in his microwave, and arranged all the other dice in front of the microwave to observe the punishment.
[How to win with tomb kings] Don't take straight fights! Use death magic, Screaming skull catapult, Casket of souls and Skeleton archers to remove small units and characters and force your opponent's big units to engage you. Use 10man units of skeleton warriors at 40 pts each and Usirian's incantation of vengeance to block and slow down that engagement as long as possible. Threaten countercharges with Sphinxes of your choice and then ambush their backline with entombed units like Tomb swarms or scorpions to hunt warmachines or wizard bunkers. In the end you should have grabbed more points than your opponent by feeding them low point units while you take out characters, nonhorde and nondeathstar units. Good luck!
Would you ever consider doing another campaign similar to Hornheim in terms of character development and length? I’d love to see an Orcs and Goblins waagh growing and eventually trying to wage war on the empire and I know you guys have the armies for it! Keep up the good work!
Oh, they change the not pre-measure rules. I started following u becouse i want to get back in to the hobbie (not playing for 10 years) and i was wondering if you pre-measure like a home rule or if is always being allowed but me and my frineds played a harder version of WH. Persoanlly i feel more tactical not measuring for realism. Artillery used to shot less acurate and felt more like the engineers are trying to calculate trayectory. Archers sometimes shoot out of fear for some unit to discover they were out of range. An i really really enjoyed when somebody declare a charge against my goblins with hidden fanatics to be out of range last minute... I feel like rules are being simplified all this years im being out (still interested tho. Thanks a lot for your content)
In this day of actual play and RPG doing so well is MWG able to play some Warhammer Fantsay Roleplay ? I mean most of you already know the setting. V4 is still young so it might be more opportunity. You already have a gorgeous studio.
When U using this scrol to add 4 dices to cast, it is nearly sure that it will be mistcast, so U should go for overcast of this spell. In this situation U will get 3 units with kb and TG would have KB +5 Set up next time necroserpents I mean necropolis knights. They are realy good.
What I would do with the blade is keep it and toss armor of destiny on a Tomb Herald who can opt to take wounds for the king with whatever his armor and ward would be. In instances where the TK has regen I'd then take wounds on him since he would have the same ward but the ability to get those wounds back in subsequent turns.
Oh! Also as far as army composition I'd recommend using Tomb Scorpion screens. They have some utility since you can deploy them as you would a normal screen for very few points but it will feast on cavalry with its killing blow and str 5 plus it can sometimes peel a few wounds off of monsters. MR and crumbling one less to Combat Res makes it a bit harder to delete than other screens and with Entombed Beneath the Sands, they have the utility to act as flankers, rear chargers and war machine hunters if your opponent doesnt have much in need of redirection. I hope this helps! Love any battle report featuring Luka or Cullen :) (Pardon my spelling)
Horros was a giant wolf, not a wizard. Anraheir was an Amber wizard, if I recall correctly, also responsible for the Cloak of Anraheir. Kadon was a pre-Teclis human wizard who was into binding monsters and daemons. He did not end well, predictably. I think Pann is some sort of nature spirit? Usirian is the Nehekharan god of the dead. Nehek was the first Nehekharan king, back when men lived in tribes. I don't think he was a wizard, so invoking his name is more of a cultural thing.
ARMY LISTS:
Tomb Kings:
++ Standard (Tomb Kings - Army Book (2013-4) -V8.8.4.) [2,000pts] ++
+ Uncategorised +
- Army Size: Army (0-2999 points)
+ Lords [575pts] +
Liche High Priest [305pts]: Hierophant, Lore of Nehekhara, Wizard Level 4 [35pts]
. Magic Items [95pts]: AB - Neferra's Scrolls of Mighty Incantations [50pts], BRB - Talisman of Preservation [45pts]
Tomb King [270pts]
. Magic Items [100pts]: AB - Blade of Antarhak [50pts], BRB - Armour of Destiny [50pts]
+ Heroes [215pts] +
Liche Priest [125pts]: Lore of Nehekhara, Wizard Level 2 [35pts]
. Magic Items [20pts]: BRB - Power Stone [20pts]
Necrotect [90pts]: Whip
. Magic Items [30pts]: BRB - Talisman of Endurance [30pts]
+ Core [555pts] +
Skeleton Chariots [195pts]: Champion [10pts], Musician [10pts], Standard Bearer [10pts]
. Skeleton Chariots [55pts]: 2x Crew, 2x Steeds
. Skeleton Chariots [55pts]: 2x Crew, 2x Steeds
. Skeleton Chariots [55pts]: 2x Crew, 2x Steeds
Skeleton Chariots [195pts]: Champion [10pts], Musician [10pts], Standard Bearer [10pts]
. Skeleton Chariots [55pts]: 2x Crew, 2x Steeds
. Skeleton Chariots [55pts]: 2x Crew, 2x Steeds
. Skeleton Chariots [55pts]: 2x Crew, 2x Steeds
Skeleton Warriors [165pts]: Champion [10pts], Musician [10pts], Standard Bearer [10pts]
. 27x Skeleton Warriors [135pts]: 27x Light Armour [27pts]
+ Special [520pts] +
Tomb Guard [520pts]: 40x Tomb Guard [440pts]
. Champion [10pts]
. Musician [10pts]
. Standard Bearer [60pts]: AB - Standard of the Undying Legion [50pts]
+ Rare [135pts] +
Casket of Souls [135pts]: 2x Casket Guards, Keeper of the Casket
++ Total: [2,000pts] ++
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Empire:
++ Standard (Empire - Army Book (2013-4) -V8.8.2.) [1,998pts] ++
+ Uncategorised +
- Army Size: Army (0-2999 points)
+ Lords [435pts] +
Arch Lector [190pts]: Great Weapon [5pts], Light Armour
. Magic Items [85pts]: AB - Armour of Meteoric Iron [50pts], BRB - Crown of Command [35pts]
Battle Wizard Lord [245pts]: Lore of Beasts, Wizard Level 4 [35pts]
. Magic Items [45pts]: BRB - Talisman of Preservation [45pts]
+ Heroes [228pts] +
Captain of the Empire [123pts]: Battle Standard Bearer [25pts], Full Plate Armour [6pts], Shield [2pts]
. Magic Items [30pts]: BRB - Dragonhelm [10pts], BRB - Sword of Might [20pts]
Warrior Priest [105pts]: Heavy Armour [2pts], Shield [2pts]
. Magic Items [20pts]: BRB - Enchanted Shield [5pts], BRB - Sword of Striking [15pts]
. Warhorse [16pts]: Barding [4pts], Warhorse
+ Core [781pts] +
Halberdiers [293pts]: Champion [10pts], 38x Halberdiers [228pts], Musician [10pts], Standard Bearer [10pts]
. Archers [35pts]: 5x Archers [35pts]
Knightly Orders Inner Circle [290pts]: 9x Knightly Orders Inner Circle [225pts], Lance and Shield, Warhorse
. Champion [10pts]
. Musician [10pts]
. Standard Bearer [45pts]: AB - Steel Standard [35pts]
Swordsmen [198pts]: Champion [10pts], Musician [10pts], Standard Bearer [10pts], 24x Swordsmen [168pts]
+ Special [424pts] +
Demigryph Knights [194pts]: Champion [10pts], Demigryph, 3x Inner Circle Knight [174pts], Lance, Musician [10pts]
Great Cannon [120pts]: 3x Crew, Great Cannon
Pistoliers [110pts]: 5x Pistoliers [90pts], Warhorse
. Champion [10pts]: Brace of Pistols
. Musician [10pts]
+ Rare [130pts] +
Celestial Hurricanum [130pts]: 2x Crew, 2x Steeds
++ Total: [1,998pts] ++
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There is something wrong with battlescribe. The Empire warrior priest has a shield and an enchanted shield. You cannot have both.
When you buy the enchanted shield you can leave the normal shield at home (and save the points)
Hey warhammer 3 has a lot of stuff like what new hammer is can you discuss these please
If U got a ETC rules for balance this game give me a link !
Hey guys, I have no rules for ETC or balancing.
But in 8th edition Fantasy my experience led to that you cannot solely rely on magic (and they always have a lot of points in spellcasters here.) You need strong combat characters too.
I would always go for a Tomb king or at least a prince, fir the main combat block.
And a BSB, for that extra point of combat result, the less crumbling of your units and the 'punch' a magic banner can give.
Also experience. Play and practice. One list might work against this army, but not against that...
I have 20 skeletons if that is of intrest?
Keep the fantasy coming please!
Weekly intake of Warhammer Fantasy, thank you very much MWG.
The lore reason is that you need to be at a veteran/champion skill level to be a chariot crewman so it’s basically two unit champions in there.
Yep they are the Khemrian nobility.
1. Luka: never apologise for rambling, its half the reason I'm a vault member
2. I can really understand the salt, especially from the more recent games. I think half the problem is you almost always end up going second and end up losing half your army to alpha, and the other half is that whenever you play Steve he always seems to have made the perfect counter list to your army. That and he is physically unable to roll badly against you.
3. Moar Fantasy and moar Cullen please.
Ahhhhhh, the good old days. The armies look great and two of my favorites. These armies were one of the reasons why I started my miniatures company with ancient Chinese because I now have an alternate "Empire" army and the Terracotta Warriors make great Tomb Kings. I enjoyed the bat rep and I am looking forward to showing off my build and paint Terracotta army on my channel. Thanks for the walk down memory lane. Watchful I Studio.
Your models are awesome, they make for really good Cathay models!
@@trajanthegreat2928 thanks!!! I recently did a couple of interviews with the Elector Counts podcast and started to work with the Warhammer Armies Project guys and they are looking at my ranges for Cathay and Ind so some nice expansion into the untouched part of the world. :)
I love your raport. I wish more and more ppl play WFB again. My community was disrupted because of "Sigmars times". GW has lost custommers I've lost much more... Your YT games give me a lot. Thanks.
Tip; put a tomb king or a tomb prince in your main combat unit.
That gives them a higher weapon still. Easier to hit the enemy. More difficult for the enemy to hit you.
he did
@@damienrichards7216 Damn, do I feel STUPID right now. How did I overlook that...
Cullen please use your attachments. Archers can fire as a stand and shoot reaction for the main unit. Swordsmen can Countercharge.
You are right about the archers, I could have had 5 shots, but the swordsmen were purchased as their own unit so they could not counter charge.
@@cullenp4990 My mistake, sorry. I immensely enjoy the content, thank you guys so much for keeping fantasy alive!
Me: cullen only brought one cannon? But how is he going to live up to the meme of him misfiring all the time?
Dice gods: dont worry fam, i got you.
Remember those "fear-tests" Every Round of combat......
They should've just updated the rules. The Old World was such a great setting.
6th ed rules with 8th ed books.
Im pretty excited for the future of the old stuff, Kislev and Cathay have both just been solidified.
It was really stale. Nothing had changed in forever. Much better to let it progress somewhere else and then reboot in an earlier time.
Granted it wasn’t announced or presented that way......but hey that’s where we’re going and I’m all for it.
@@andrewcrawford8306 It was stale because they barely did anything with it all the new shit was always coming to 40k.
Definitely should have charged the chariots into the side of the demigryphs when the opportunity came up, reasonable chance of breaking them and it would have protected your big blob a bit
This was so much better than the one against the Bretonnians. The Tomb Kings are constantly being stomped, maybe it's time to try the 2400 points...
Tomb kings Chariot 55 Pts.
Demigriph Knight 58 Pts
Tomb Guard 11 Pts
Halbediers 6 Pts
Says it all.
The poor tomb kings - relying on Magic, they have good bound spells - but since these bound spells take away from your magic pool, they‘re worthless. I liked the bound spell rules of 6th better.
Lack of pre-measuring also favours people who grew up with inches and not the metric system... So yeah, I'm gonna pre-measure.
Dear Luka,
You should take the 400 point compensation just because it'lll let you put more Tomb King models on the table and Tomb King models are incredible.
With love, the Audience
As the Tomb Kings were done dirty this edition I agree!
This was a great battle report, and it highlights how Empire is a combined arms army. The halberdiers by themselves are nothing special, but when buffed with magic and the hurricanum, they were super nasty. A very cool battle, and I loved the post-battle commentary. Keep it up guys!
I've never played WHFB, but I find it the most entertaining Warhammer game to watch.
Love to see my beloved tomb kings again!!!
Here are some tips for list:
Hierophant - lvl4 nehek and Lich priest with lore of light (for more buff...like speed of light :P or ASF) or Death (to destroy characters)
Warsphynxs!!! - Are great!! solid choise with T8, 4 attacks from the troops on top, 4A from the Sphinx, fire breath and stomps. And a 5++ AS
Hierotitan - Excelent choise to over power your magic phase 2d6 from pool + 1d3 from the casket + 1d3 to each spell yours priests casts
Tomb guard are great but still saving at 5+...better a block of 40 Skeletons warriors with LA if you want and Swords al Shieds for 5+ save and 6++ parry. WS6 from the TK will make harder to hit them.
Screaming Skull catapult
You can try out some necropolis knights...there are great in combat and saves +3
Thanks again for this BR!!!
Put the sigmar dead on squares and have fun! It's always nice to see more fantasy. Have you guys had a look at the Warhammer armies project? It may solve Balance issues and it's alot of fun
What's the Warhammer Armies Project?
@@walterbarr3978A guy has spent years basicly making an unofficial 9th edition, with army lists aimed at closing the power gap. It also includes new armies that are lots of fun
A mistake with the casket: the enemy has to make a leadership test, not you, and as such he applies any modifier for L tests including bsb rerolling, the knights could have reroll i think. (TK FaQs) Also it is a warmachine to all effects so you can pivot it as much as you want. I dont think it is worth 6dice it every time, tho.
imo the two big mistakes were not acepting the challenge with the king and charging the halberds instead the demis with the chariots. The chariots would have hold the turn because only one demi would fight and thus keep them out of the big fight.
I would recomend a cheap unit with entombed beneath the sands to deal with warmachines and the backline, but if he is gona destroy his warmachines by itself i dont know if it is worth it xD And the guard with halberds if possible, although they are crazy expensive.
I'd love some how to play videos for these older games. I'm fairly new to Warhammer, just coming in around the beginning of 8th and I would love to learn these games. Things like Fantasy, Horus Heresy, Battlefleet Gothic, etc. Would be awesome to play but I have no idea how.
Stirland: likes tradition, doesnt like anything new
Cullen: brings a cannon
The dice gods: I'm about the end this man's whole career
I have missed Fantasy.
I wrote so many guides on the MWG forums. Wood Elves, Bretonnia, Beastmen etc. Jeez, that was maybe 10 years ago. I hope GW bring it back in a suitably glorious fashion.
Would love to see you try taking Khalida and a tonne of archers Luca, just for a very different tomb king list type
Nice having Cullen added to the mix for an extra personality in the videos. Let him do some 40k too!
Very simple math here. WHFB>AOS
DON"T FORGET THE HORSES! Chariots ALSO have 2 horse attacks each! So that's 2 attacks per charioteer, and 1 attack per horse, for 6 attacks total!
Loving the influx of fantasy content. I missed it!
Tips for tomb kings :
Don’t fall for the trap of overcasting the casket every turn. Spam buffs and de buffs on the turns when you’re going to be in combat. With the extra dice from the casket, it is very hard for enemies to dispel many small spells efficiently. The casket often serves to draw out dice, more than to kill things.
Don’t charge your chariots in the same turn as everything else. Line them up to get flank charges in subsequent turns. This time you lost efficiency on your tomb guard (with their good WS, hatred, and high strength) fitting in chariots that ended up costing you combat score.
Tomb Kings don’t really have an answer to demigryphs and other monsters. The Destroyer of Eternities is worth considering for this.
Issue and refuse challenges with your champion.
Bring skeleton horse archers to redirect/speed bump the enemy.
Next time reform one of the units of chariots at an angle : this forces the pistoliers to go where you want.
Skeleton archers are more efficient than skeleton warriors. Don’t be afraid to take a big line of them and pepper his infantry for a few turns, then reform the line into a block the turn before combat happens.
NOW THIS IS MORE LIKE IT! Let's see Kislev, Cathay, or Chaos Daemons in honor of Total War: Warhammer 3
Wut? There never was a Cathay or Kislev army in Fantasy tabletop, go back to play Total War
Total War has done more to promote Fantasy than GW ever did. I got really into those games only to find that the game had been dropped.
@@joonwoo1Since Cathay is going to be in the game it does at least seem plausible Cathay gets added to the reboot of old fantasy
@@joonwoo1 there certainly was kislev sub faction
@@imalu5757 it never was a standalone army but an allied contingent of the Empire with like 6-7 units max, get your facts right.
Love these WHFB batreps guys. LOVE them.
@MWG:
More Warhammer Fantasy Reports pls!
This is more fun to watch that everything else!
I hope GW will give us back epic Rank & File Games like this with OldWars...
Bring Clarence back when Covid is over! I just watched him vs Steve last night when Clarence snake eyes’d a moral check with his BSB to essentially win the game. Lol!
What Battle report was that? Sounded awesome!
What channel did you watch this on?
He’s not in the country anymore
I thought Clarence quit Fantasy? The guy was an absolute legend to watch, but if he's still around I would love to know where I can find batreps with him.
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stopped playing after Space marines humans came along in AOS still have a nice army of empire and vampire counts!, been playing LOTR and 40k to fill the gap. really enjoyed seeing the TK in action always wanted to collect them.
Love the tombkings, Hope they can Pull a Victory once;)
I think Tomb Kings need a a match against Cullen with lots of Artillery in order to have a chance
... This will defiantly happen! 2 canons, a hellbaster, and a mortar? YES PLEASE!
I honestly never took tombguard in 8th ed. I stuck my King in with 100 skeletons hwshield. The jump in price from 4 to 11 pts just didnt translate into enough damage difference in my opinion.
2 catapults 1 casket, warsphinx 3 chariots, 20 archers was usually my core build. I also thought musicians were way overcosted for undead so never wasted the points.
To be fair though I had to stop playing shortly after empire came out.
Suggestion - quick, easy & legal way to make Tomb Kings better in 8th ed is to use the Undead Legion rules from End Times: Nagash. It means you can't take Settra but allows Tomb Kings to a) march b) not crumble when wizard dies and c) spells can heal more wounds on constructs. It doesn't make Tomb Kings OP - it just removes some of the worst handicaps they have. Also need to screen more with light cav to prevent flank & rear charges!
also consider Kings of War empire of Dust models. They look fine.
More fantasy! Amazing! Thank you very much for supporting this game.
Wait, don't Regeneration saves happen separately from Ward saves? So, like, you roll Ward save, if that fails, you roll Regen?
Can we just get custom dice for Cullen where the six is the misfire symbol? So he could just own it and give the finger to Lady Luck! =)
Another awesome idea!! XD
Tomb Kings! Hell yeah!
I was always curious why GW gave skeleton unit musicians horns. Skeletons are famous for their lack of both lungs and lips, both of which are essential for the operation of a horn
They do not really have muscles or tendons to move their arms to beat a drum either...
Nor ears to hear the commands the horn blower makes...
And a brain, and and and...
Everything moves by magic.....
Why not an ethereal magical wind blowing through the horen..
True! But magical mechanical movement and accepting commands is part and parcel of the whole undead thing. I do love the idea of the musician being enchanted to shout in horn noises and is given a horn to identify them
Well, Banshees are ghosts and they can scream. I do think undead skeletons have the ability to move magical air through the horns. 😉
maybe they flap their hands really fast in front of the horns 'mouth part opening '...
True! But that is famously their schtick. Granted, I recognize we are talking about literal fantasy here. Which is why I prefer shouty skelly musician theory now. It also avoids the rather upsetting mental image of a skeleton with lips to actually make noises on the horn, even if they were able to move air through them
The story behind the two skeleton attacks on the carts was that they were noble. And so they had more wealth and achieved an efficient mummification process. In fact, Tomb Guards should also have two attacks. But someone at GW forgot that.
The way to win with TK is simple, 50 man archer block + high queen khalida.
50 shots always hitting on 4+, with poisoned attacks.
throw an incantation of righteous smiting on the unit and get 100 shots down range.
tomb guard block with TK and necro is fun, but sadly it doesn't hold up against many units.
get more skull catapults, i'd run 2 + casket as a baseline
just my 10c
Can I just say guys I love that You guys are just having fun sans steve, really feel he’s lost the love for the game and just auto pilots through and the last few have been really grave game changing mistakes on his part as he generally takes over and walks the other player through the game. So happy to see Luka and Cullen have a fun game. Kudos
I think we all lie awake some nights just thinking how often Cullen misfires. Great batrep!
Warhammer 3 got announced!! Kislev cathay and daemons
Tomb kings again. THANK YOU LUCA!
With regards to trying out things with the tomb kings I personally found a basic tomb prince added to a squad of skellies really helped to hold the line with the increased ws and some decent hitting power especially when given a great weapon.
Always good to see another WFB! Keep em coming lads!
1:41:23 Demigrpygh Knights are notoriously powerful. Even normally powered armies have problems against them.
You should try and use the threat of the Casket - as it is so powerful opponents usually ahve to save their dispel dice for it, so you can get off A LOT of smaller spells relatively easily.
Keep the tomb kings games coming
I burn to know what Luka said to get that video taken down, and there is nothing wrong with unit filler!
Maybe, just maybe, we can see the Tomb Kings win with equal points! I have faith that it will happen!
I think cullen's gonna have to start bringing master engineers just so his artillery actually does something each game XD keep up the fantasy guys
So I can spend more points on things that will explode and leave him lonely?!? XD
Yeah historically they have not helped
New fantasy batrep and total warhammer 3 in one day
Nice armies, as usual, good game. Thank you for keeping the Old World alife!
Concerning using AoS models in WHF: there are quite a lot that work well. Chaos has got many more toys of course, as got VC undead (some of those Nighthaunt rank up well, and you get Banshees for days of course). For Tomb Kings I'd suggest using Necropolis Stalkers as Ushabti for starters. Some of the foot characters could work well. The Mortek Crawler makes for an awesome (if huge) SSC. The kit of the Gothizzar Harvester could be used for any of the rare choice constructs. When using the ET Undead Legions rules, I'd suggest using the Kavalos Deathriders as thematially fitting "not-Bloodknights".
cullen needs to play either dwarves for the re-roll artillery dice or elves so he doesn't need to use it.
What if I told you I own some unpainted dwarfs?
Or just get a master-engineer.
@@cullenp4990 Awesome dude!! :D
Keep up the fantasy battles.
Thank you for the WFB content. It's always good to see more of it.
tk are my jam glad you are bringing them back.
Tomb Kings are playable in AoS, but their rules are hidden away in a free PDF document on GW's website. The rules are most easily found by googling "tomb kings aos rules" and clicking on the link to GW.
That said, it's cool to see them in a game of WFB. 👍
Great day. Just saw the announcement trailer of TW: Warhammer 3 and got too see Tomb kings batrep.
Absolutely use AoS models in your army.. if they fit physically and thematically. I use many Underworlds kits to fill out units or use as characters.
Coven of light, triple Warsphinx and for rare casket, double catapult and hierotitan seems to be the only kind of actually hard list the tombkings could make before endtimes (at 2400).
Demi-gryphs have armour piercing rule I think Cullen so -3 to armour saves 👍.great bat reps keep them coming 😁😁😁😁
I should have added this to my other comment, but I knew a guy who had notoriously bad luck. He would occasionally set up all his dice, with the most recent "poorly behaved" die set aside, and berate that one die, then tell the rest "You don't want that to be you, so you'd better behave." One D&D session one of his d20s rolled a few too many 1s, so he decided he needed to up his game. He put the offending die in his microwave, and arranged all the other dice in front of the microwave to observe the punishment.
[How to win with tomb kings] Don't take straight fights!
Use death magic, Screaming skull catapult, Casket of souls and Skeleton archers to remove small units and characters and force your opponent's big units to engage you.
Use 10man units of skeleton warriors at 40 pts each and Usirian's incantation of vengeance to block and slow down that engagement as long as possible. Threaten countercharges with Sphinxes of your choice and then ambush their backline with entombed units like Tomb swarms or scorpions to hunt warmachines or wizard bunkers.
In the end you should have grabbed more points than your opponent by feeding them low point units while you take out characters, nonhorde and nondeathstar units. Good luck!
So how were the swordsmen hitting on 2s there? WS4 angainst WS3 should still only be 3s to hit
Cullen you really have to make your own dices with the 6's replaced by the misfire sign.
That's the only way you can get rid of this curse
Maybe you guys should look at the One Page Rules Mummified Undead 3d files. Would fit right in.
I'm sad the Tomb Kings aesthetic went away. I get why GW did, but I still think they look really cool.
Curse of Anreheir is a failed dangerous terrain test on a 1 AND a 2 I think?
Would you ever consider doing another campaign similar to Hornheim in terms of character development and length? I’d love to see an Orcs and Goblins waagh growing and eventually trying to wage war on the empire and I know you guys have the armies for it! Keep up the good work!
Oh, they change the not pre-measure rules. I started following u becouse i want to get back in to the hobbie (not playing for 10 years) and i was wondering if you pre-measure like a home rule or if is always being allowed but me and my frineds played a harder version of WH.
Persoanlly i feel more tactical not measuring for realism. Artillery used to shot less acurate and felt more like the engineers are trying to calculate trayectory. Archers sometimes shoot out of fear for some unit to discover they were out of range. An i really really enjoyed when somebody declare a charge against my goblins with hidden fanatics to be out of range last minute...
I feel like rules are being simplified all this years im being out (still interested tho. Thanks a lot for your content)
I love this videos on WHFB
In this day of actual play and RPG doing so well is MWG able to play some Warhammer Fantsay Roleplay ?
I mean most of you already know the setting. V4 is still young so it might be more opportunity. You already have a gorgeous studio.
23:30 "Cullen is infamous for rolling bad" Cullen immediately rolls a misfire.
28:28 "Boy - don't roll a one." Cullen immediately rolls a one.
When U using this scrol to add 4 dices to cast, it is nearly sure that it will be mistcast, so U should go for overcast of this spell. In this situation U will get 3 units with kb and TG would have KB +5
Set up next time necroserpents I mean necropolis knights. They are realy good.
Is that a LegendofTotalWar shirt?
good to see the loaded artillery dice are back
What I would do with the blade is keep it and toss armor of destiny on a Tomb Herald who can opt to take wounds for the king with whatever his armor and ward would be. In instances where the TK has regen I'd then take wounds on him since he would have the same ward but the ability to get those wounds back in subsequent turns.
Oh! Also as far as army composition I'd recommend using Tomb Scorpion screens. They have some utility since you can deploy them as you would a normal screen for very few points but it will feast on cavalry with its killing blow and str 5 plus it can sometimes peel a few wounds off of monsters. MR and crumbling one less to Combat Res makes it a bit harder to delete than other screens and with Entombed Beneath the Sands, they have the utility to act as flankers, rear chargers and war machine hunters if your opponent doesnt have much in need of redirection.
I hope this helps! Love any battle report featuring Luka or Cullen :)
(Pardon my spelling)
Time to do some chaos daemons battle rep to catch onto the hype ;)
Two vault games with settra in a row? I may have to sub for a vault subscription
Bring back Tomb kings
There needs to be a montage of the misfires.
100% XD XD XD
The best work-motivation? After i'm done, i'm going to watch this video!
You should state which version of WFB you are playing.
Horros isn't a wizard, it was a wolf that terrorized Middenheim.
More Fantasy!
Cullen you gotta get more artillery dice, yours are funky.
God bless you guys and this continuous stream of WFB
I love the fantasy content coming out right now
Horros was a giant wolf, not a wizard.
Anraheir was an Amber wizard, if I recall correctly, also responsible for the Cloak of Anraheir.
Kadon was a pre-Teclis human wizard who was into binding monsters and daemons. He did not end well, predictably.
I think Pann is some sort of nature spirit?
Usirian is the Nehekharan god of the dead.
Nehek was the first Nehekharan king, back when men lived in tribes. I don't think he was a wizard, so invoking his name is more of a cultural thing.
Wooooooooo :D So close! Hey, at least Cullen finally won! :D
Lol @ 12:40 - Dullahan riding with the Inner Circle Knights