Do Moment Lenses Work on the iPhone 14 Pro Max?
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- Опубліковано 10 лис 2022
- In this video I test to see if the Moment lenses work with the iPhone 14 Pro Max (and would also include the 14 Pro).
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Always good mobile videography content. I'm trying this with my Chinese 5in1 Apexel lenses.
I invested in the 58mm Moment lens primarily for mounting onto the standard wide lens of my iPhone 14Pro. This gives me a wide AND tele option on the "main lens" accessing the iPhone's best resolution and low light aperture at all times.
Yeah, that’s a great way to go. Typically using the main camera is the best.
Very helpful. Thanks!
Thank you for the honest review.
The lenses have a soft focus. I have the moment case and the 3d printed mount. I was hoping to capture raw 48mp images with the moment 58mm tele and they were soft. I had clearer results with using the native lens and cropping in. It was a huge letdown.
Thanks for letting me know. Glad I didn't buy it. I'll wait for the Iphone 15 Ultra with the periscope zoom.
@@chinitopinoy1726 just to be clear, this is on the moment end.
The 58mm is the softest, but on the main wide it looks ok especially for video. Stills might be a different story. I found the anamorphic to be the best across the board.
I learned so much from this video
I am a long time Moment gear user and I feel that this 2nd generation of lens is at the brink of their capabilities with the new iPhone14 pro max sensors. On your examples it's all very soft when the sky light is strong, one exception with the anarmophic that seems sharper and more contrasted most of the time.
I would not be surprised if Moment announces a new generation of lenses for bigger sensors in a couple of months.
Well timed review, thanks for sharing !
Sadly they already were with the iPhone 13 line up. These lenses just aren’t equipped for the bigger sensors
Yeah, my guess is they’ll wait for lens redesign for the iPhone 15 as that’s supposed to be a pretty big change. But for now the anamorphic performs the best and looks good across all the cameras, which was a bit surprising tbh. Thanks for watching!
Yeah, I think my moment lenses are going on to eBay. What they can offer the 14 Pro Max just…isn’t enough for me to justify carrying them around.
If my 14 Pro Max can’t handle it, I’ll reach for my real camera, not the moment lenses anymore. Unless, as you said, if they have new Moment lens hardware coming soon. I’ll consider it then.
But even then…the 15 Pro Max next year will again be better. I feel like we’re getting close to the limits of mobile photography with all these add-ons.
@@Chuck8541 I agree, except for the anamorphic that is still sharp and has a cine look that iPhone pro max don't match, but that's for a niche.
@@CarlosPardo True. Even when I use my anamorphic now, it's just for a quick scene. lol
But like...I have the 14 Pro Max, and I'm here cuz I'm wondering if the whole Moment system is worth it at this stage; and is it worth it to get a new moment case for the 14, just for the anamorphic lens? I'm leaning toward 'not really'.
But it's not like EVERYONE has a Pro/Pro Max model, I think the moment system is still worth it for loads of iphone users.
Thanks for your review. Softness was what I worried for this year since they were getting worse from iphone 12 series. This lenses are designed for small sensors like iphone 7 or 8. First version was released in 2014-15 and this was renewed in 2017 if I remember correctly. Doesn’t make sense they still sell these old lenses.
Awesome review as always. I own a 13 Pro max 1TB and all the MOMENT lenses including a GOVE variable ND filter and a SmallRig cage. I have found that all the lenses work well in most situations especially using the ND during the day really makes sharp photos & the video is super clear.
Keep up the fantastic videos you produce. Thank you 👍🏻 Cheers from Western Australia 🇦🇺
That’s great to hear. Thanks for watching!
Which ND filter do you use ? I’m just starting out and confused my ND filters , there are so many different kinds
I tend to use Freewell or Moment VND as they’re excellent quality for an affordable price.
Thanks for doing this. They do look soft. I think the problem lies a lot with these very small form factor lenses. They just don’t adapt well to the changing sensor sizes from Apple every year (anamorphic lenses seem to hold up a lot better). Companies like Beastgrip that use a larger form factor and update their lenses every year, seem to be able to get tack sharp results. Size appears to matter.
Yeah, the Beastgrip lenses, the latest ones importantly (like the MK2 anamorphic) are the best right now. The Moment anamorphic held up fine though and I think it’s the best currently from them. The other ones are OK depending on what you’re doing. Thanks for watching!
@@iphoneographers The CinemaP3 app, can you record at 60fps using the different colour creative presets.
Great review. Perhaps using each, especially the 18mm, in a vlog style video and see how the movement is effected by the larger sensor. I just did an outdoors vlog with the 18mm and it was warbled. The stills and non moving shots looked great. Once I stated walking the environment was wavy and shifting in a bad way. All this was done in the default camera app. Hope this helps.
Interesting. It’s possible the image stabilization was causing some swimming, which does happen, especially using anamorphic.
I just bought the Smallrig 4077 cage that you were using since Moment can’t seem to get there snap in mounts in stock (I wasn’t going to buy a case and wait for the lens mount). They lost out on both sales now.😐
Thanks for a very useful video. I'm using a iPhone 13 pro and have found that the Moment 18 and 58 really don't work all that well. The 1.33 anamorphic works pretty ok. I now don't bother with carrying the Moment lenses unless I want to use the anamorphic. Combined with the fiddly filter arrangement I'm rather disappointed with the Moment offerings.
Thanks for the video! I’m using iphone14 promax too, Do you know is the Beastgrip Anamorphic lens mk2 work on the smallrig cage ?
Great review at 2:08 i don’t know if you were trying to make that point with video or just a general point but I do have to say with the 48 mp is only on photos videos still use the 12 MP as well as even the 2X on main lens when taking photos but yeah thanks for this video and comparing them
Correct on the 48MP for photos and 12MP for video, but the point is that the large sensor allows for the 2X lens to to not lose quality shooting video. Thanks for watching!
waiting for this video😅😊
Using image stabilization in the native camera app crops in on the full capture area. Since the anamorphic lens causes the stabilization to produce a jello effect while moving, you would really be shooting with a 3rd party app - stabilization turned off to avoid warpy footage.
Please share some shots or observations with stabilization off. There are numerous folks posting vignetting issues occurring on the left and right edges of the frame, using the moment case.
Yeah, this was shot with a third-party app the CinemaP3 camera. When I’m shooting handheld I use stabilization. But on a tripod you can get away with it off. If you’re not moving, you don’t see the vignetting. And even if you do, you can crop in post production. So it’s not a big deal IMO. I’ve seen that on the anamorphic for a long time actually.
Thanks for the video. I just bought that Smallrig cage for my 13 pro max. Will all 3 lenses work with that
Yes, with similar results. The main standard lens/camera is the best option TBH. It’s a great cage, you’ll like it.
I had XS and with 58mm, it worked. When I bought the iPhone 14 pro and took shots with 58mm, I noticed a lot kf softness in the pictures. I sent email to moment re: softness of 58mm with iphone 14 pro vs pictures without 58mm in a well lit controlled setup. They confirmed that there lenses are outdated and they do not offer lifetime warranty for the product. Sad to say they do not even care anymore. So I bought Sandmarc 58mm for iPhone 14pro and was very pleased by the sharpness of the lens.
Good to know about the Sandmarc. Haven’t tried one yet. But yes, the larger sensors & camera bumps now can unfortunately cause issues.
I mean I think softness in moderation can be good the thing with iPhones is they have extreme sharpness which in my opinion is too much I have yet to try the moment lens on my 14 hopefully the softness isn’t too much
I need to know 😮
Pls, what the name of tripod you using?😢
Hi! Does SmallRig on the new cages includes the option for 17mm lenses? Or only bayonet? I remember that previous models included two plates according with your model.
Yes they do, but it’s an add on (not included)… www.smallrig.com/SmallRig-17mm-Threaded-Lens-Backplane-for-iPhone-14-Pro-Cage-4080.html
Thanks for the video! Do them small rig cages work with a gimbal like smooth 5? I want one for my iPhone 14 pro & smooth 5 with anamorphic lens.
I haven’t tested that, but this cage is incredibly light, so I would say it would most likely work, especially with the Pro. The Pro Max might push it if adding lenses or filters. It’s a great cage though either way.
@@iphoneographers let me know if you ever test it please, I’ve seen two people say it won’t work & one person saying it does. I’m not sure whether to get one as i already have a Ulanzi U-rig & just need it to add lenses.
Great review. It seems that 13 pro is the best choice for all moment lens. Only anamophic lens works for 14 pro.
The 12 Pro Max probably worked the best with the lenses, or really even the 11. They’re due for an update. Hopefully they will do that in the future.
The 2X and the lens has a much more natural looking image, but too sharp otherwise.
Shame not to put the 2X without the zoom, because I think it might be better to work with 2X always, and so the 18mm would totally be necessary also.
12MP is a magic number and the 2X is a 12MP shot.
Definitely the Anamorphic is the one that gives you something the phone can't.
The 58mm I'd want for the 100mm effect with the 2X.
So all relevant for me.
From this, I find they all work but love the 2X image the most.
It's not so naturally sharp.
Thank for this video!
hello, i have a question for you, can you tell me if the reverse works, anamorphic 1.55 by small rig works on moment lens case? Thanks for the video ! thumb up
I haven’t tried that, but yes, it should because they have the same mount.
@@iphoneographers thanks 🫡
Off topic RN, but my Blackmagic came in. Looking like I’m gonna retire the iPhone as my main camera now. Obviously I would’ve probably invested in it anyway, eventually, but I’m very disappointed that FiLMiC will be switching up to subscription-based system.
The 14 footage looks so good though!! Undeniable!!!
Nice! I love Blackmagic cameras. I have the original BMCC 2.5k, the OG Pocket and the BMPCC 4K. You really can’t beat their cameras bang for the buck. The iPhone can make a great complementary or B cam to those too I’ve found. I use it like that on this channel routinely. Have fun!
With the anamorphic lens. I have black blurry sides when moving the camera from left to right or right to left. Using small rig cage.
Yeah it’s the image stabilization causing some vignetting. Just push in and re-frame in post production.
Do a cage review!
Probably will. :)
@@iphoneographers alright
Which moment lens would you recommend to use to record a basketball game, if you were recording the other side of the court?
Definitely the telephoto. 58mm on the main wide camera.
I like how the 1.33 looks
I have all three of those lenses and find 18mm and 58mm okay on my iPhone Pro Max, however there is terrible vignetting on the anamorphic lens that makes it unusable as it looks trashy, I am using a moment case 3D printed adaptor so not sure if there is an alignment issue. I don't understand why your images do not show vignetting with the anamorphic lens. Can you please give me your opinion why?
It’s probably what you said - the mount needs to be more precise and I’m using a cage and so that helps. The other thing is image stabilization can cause vignetting with anamorphic lenses. Typically I’ll turn it off, especially if on a tripod. And if I need to use it and then I’ll just re-frame in post production… Meaning pushing past the vignette.
@@iphoneographers That’s great advise about turning off stabilisation, I’ll give that a try. Enjoyed your content, thank you.
Could you recommend a lens for iphone 14 pro max that could help the lens flare issue with that camera? I gotta shoot video with light sources in it and it's no good.
You talking about the green dots? It can be minimized, but not eliminated unless you use a DOF adapter and those are really a different animal. Try using a telephoto like the one from Beastgrip or Shiftcam so you’re not pinging the light sources as much. Avoid wide angle. shftcm.com/3rk4Sq0
@@iphoneographers isn't adding a telephoto lens going to make it worse because of more glass components for the light to refract on? Or is adding a narrow angle lens effective enough to contrast it?
In my experience narrowing the angle helps, but then of course, you’re also narrowing your field of view, so it’s a trade-off. It’s been rumored for a while that Apple was working on software to reduce or eliminate the green dots but it hasn’t happened yet. So anything you can do to not hit direct light sources helps, especially at night.
@@iphoneographers thanks for the tip
I think the only one that really fared well was the anamorphic lens. I have the new tele and old super wide and an iPhone 11 Pro, and even there the IQ is just average. Gonna upgrade to a 14 Pro now, 58 on 3x lens might still be useful for concerts but I think little else
Hi, I have Sirui 1.33x anamorphing lens and iPhone 14 pro.If I use the lens mounted on its the clip and then fix it in front of the lens I do not notice any vignetting, but if I mount it on Smallrig cage there is vignetting.I can’t fix it at all……Any tips to make it work it properly ?
Haven’t used that one, so not sure. But seeing edges/vignettes is not uncommon especially if image stabilization is on as the image almost “floats”. So you could try turning that off. Also, you can reframe in editing by pushing in on the image to remove the vignette.
Wow, ALL my Moment lenses worked fine for me on my 13 Pro (not Max); including the 58mm. So, not sure what you ran into. I won't be buying another iPhone, though, until it gets USB-C connectivity. Lightning connects just too slowly for all the data the phone can capture.
The 58mm worked on the 3x? I’ve never seen that with the 13. The other lenses did OK. It’s kind of hit or miss which is strange. But yes, the iPhone 15 Pro will be your next one! :)
The CinemaP3 app, can you record at 60fps using the different colour creative presets.
Yes you can. Only exception is not with ProRes 422.
@@iphoneographers thank you
I could not get the Moment Macro lens to focus and I also found their case very inconvenient.
I prefer the Shuttermoon lenses, they work great with my iPhone 14 and the quality is pretty much the same. The only difference is the price.
Never heard of them. Glad they work.
Seems like it’s enough to have one single anamorphic lens to cover all “required” focal lengths for wide medium and close look. Generally it’s enough to make your b-roll look cinematic and natural, isn’t it?
Yes, that’s a good option and in these tests the anamorphic performed the best, too.
I am considering if I can also daily use the Smallrig cage. Sir, will the rig affect iPhone’s cell signal or Wi-Fi receiving? Also, overall, is the rig durable? Thank you! By the way, this is a very informative video!👍
Fairly durable, yes. And I’ve never had any issues using the phone while in it although I wouldn’t use it as an every day carry. But when shooting, you can definitely use the phone.
@@iphoneographers Thank you for your very helpful reply. Really appreciated!👍 Have a good one.
I know you’re a moments guy, but have you tried reviewing the Sandmarc lenses?
Haven’t reviewed them but I’ve used them and they’re nice. I’ve reviewed some of their filters and they’re nice, too. I bought into the Moment ecosystem early on and so regularly using Sandmarc with them can be tricky. Also the SmallRig cage I like is a Moment mount. But again, they are very solid options.
do you know if this moment lens math in the Pixel 7?
I don’t. Haven’t used that phone.
Does the anamorphic lens work with cinematic mode?
No it doesn’t. You can add filters though if you want to get flares… ua-cam.com/video/jtMqkniRxhQ/v-deo.html
What prevents the anamorphic from working in cinematic mode? Is it the camera lens that’s used for cinematic vs what lenses the Moments work on?
How wide is the widest the ultra wide lens can go on the Iphone 14 (in cinematic)?
Standard wide which is 24mm, though it crops in some using Cinematic mode so it’s probably more like 26mm or so.
@@iphoneographers It would be great if cinematic mode would work on ultra wide too...
I wonder how the Sandmarc lenses perform
Have not tested those out as I’m really not in their ecosystem. I like their gear though.
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What about the fisheye?
Does "Cinematic Mode" filming on the Pro Max work with the anamorphic lens attached or does the anamorphicism (my word - haha) mess up the AI brains doing the cinematic focusing stuff?
Have played with that some and it doesn’t really work. The Apple magic combines the different phone lenses, and the software does its thing and so really it’s designed for the built-in lenses.
@@iphoneographers That's what I suspected. Thanks for the quick reply!
Have you tested this cage with moondog anamorphic?
No, but that’s on my to do list. But their bayonet mount should work no problem.
@@iphoneographers I had 13 pro max cage with moondog. No problems at all though. Just wondering if larger sensor changed anything.
So basically I need to sell my moment lenses. Going to shift gears to Beastgrip. Their anamorphic lens looks amazing on iPhone 14 pro max
Beastgrip is making great stuff. 👍🏻
So it works, just avoid the tele on tele 😮 so tele on tele works with the 11 pro max 12 pro max even the Xs max but not the 13 or 14 PM because it’s 3x lens is soft 😅
Yeah, that 3X Tele is problematic using any external lenses, but the 2X on the 14 Pro is pretty solid.
@@iphoneographers interesting 🤔
But the 2.5x on the 12 pro max was useable just very soft but not the 3x on the 13 pro max / 14PM
And xs max and 11 PM 2x is fine just not great in low light that’s so interesting
I was thinking of saving money by going with the 12PM OR 13PM
BUT
Looks like I’ll skip the 13PM AND maybe go straight to 14PM
Lots of planning but I love the tele anamorphic that seemed to do okay on the 3x lens?
Thanks for all these tests!!!
I have all moment lenses and I can't use it in my samsung ultra 22 cause moment did't make a case. My investmente is lost
You might be able to find a third-party case or cage that would fit that and use them. Like the Beastgrip Pro. It’s universal, but can’t recall if they make a bayonet mount for it - they do for their cage, but that’s iPhone only. There’s probably a solution out there.
Plenty of third party solutions
@@charleswillson1236 like wich one?
Simple moment is not updating there lens, and are dying simply by not making the choice to Update there products.
Beware, it degrades image quality
Are these lenses catered to content creators? I’m just your regular guy that uses their phone for pictures and video while traveling and do not see any differences whatsoever
Yeah, I would say for casual users the built-in lenses are fine. But if you’re doing anything, more professional, or want to have higher quality results, then adding a third-party lens onto the main camera can make a big difference, especially shooting in low light or if you want unique shots like using a wide angle or an anamorphic lens.