34 string comparison: Ravenna vs. Ballad harps

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  • @smworswick
    @smworswick 10 місяців тому +26

    The Ravenna is brighter and crispy whereas the other harp is mellow and more dramatic. I love both!!

    • @Xani13
      @Xani13 10 місяців тому +2

      Exactly. They both have their uses depending on what you're trying to accomplish.

    • @makeitso4793
      @makeitso4793 9 місяців тому +1

      Wish I could afford just one of them. Brought one that would not stay in tune for one sec. I know that happens a bit but it was just silly. It was nice looking but too much work. Maybe I should have pushed the pegs in as I tuned it like I do my violin. When I get some real money I will try again.

    • @Xani13
      @Xani13 9 місяців тому

      @@makeitso4793 I hear that. I had to return mine less than a week after purchasing it because I discovered to my surprise the environment in my house is not conducive to a harp. So I have to wait until I can get a house that can handle it.

  • @screbbels
    @screbbels 10 місяців тому +13

    They’re both amazing harps, but there’s something so magical about Dusty Strings instruments 😍

  • @pattianne
    @pattianne 10 місяців тому +11

    The Ravenna sound goes on and on. Love that.

  • @TheJunehog
    @TheJunehog 10 місяців тому +5

    I'm a Dusty Strings guy. I have an FH36S made of maple -- an astounding instrument I don't deserve. I also like the look of them more.

  • @lindadorsey9623
    @lindadorsey9623 10 місяців тому +13

    I’ll take one of each. Depends on the mood I’m in. 😊

    • @LearningtheHarp
      @LearningtheHarp  10 місяців тому +1

      Hehe I completely agree! ☺ --Carrie

    • @organist1982
      @organist1982 5 місяців тому

      @@KR-ms6km I'll be curious to see if anyone else replies to your question, but I should point out that the Ravenna 34 is widely considered to be a very good all-around harp for beginner and intermediate harp players, as it's relatively inexpensive compared to higher-end harps, has medium string tension, good medium spacing, and is capable of both folk and classical music (though geared more towards folk). I have a large collection of lever harps, including a Ravenna 34, but I chose the optional lever gut stringing. The sound is warmer but still has plenty of sparkle, and I love it! I should point out that the Ballad model has lower string tension and narrower spacing.

    • @organist1982
      @organist1982 5 місяців тому +1

      @@KR-ms6km Oh, I didn't realize you weren't here in the U.S. Have you looked into Salvi or Camac? They both make excellent medium-tension lever harps.

  • @susannekalejaiye4351
    @susannekalejaiye4351 10 місяців тому +12

    very nicely done comparison. I appreciate the text, rather than talking, because it allows my hearing aid assisted ears to focus on the sounds as you place your points. Both sound lovely, I really appreciate the upper register of the Ballad. But I also appreciate the full bodied sound of the Ravenna. I have a 30 string harp

    • @LearningtheHarp
      @LearningtheHarp  10 місяців тому +5

      That's so great to hear, and very helpful for us to know when we're planning future videos! So glad you enjoyed 🥰

    • @cherrycordial4180
      @cherrycordial4180 10 місяців тому +2

      Agreed. I noticed the text and my first thougtht was 'wow, text to tell of the differences is a fantastic idea'. I much preferred it to speaking or even having a bullet list because it allowed me time to take the information in one piece at a time while i was listening.

  • @balfourknight7011
    @balfourknight7011 10 місяців тому +2

    Very nice comparison! As a professional pedal harpist, I prefer the Ravenna, and I had the pleasure of owning one for almost five years. I "upgraded" to an FH36S in cherry and traded in the Ravenna! Thanks for this video, and keep on making beautiful harp music.

  • @Momo-dv3ix
    @Momo-dv3ix 10 місяців тому +3

    I have the ravenna 26 and the sound is unreal.

  • @TrinityDivineMozart
    @TrinityDivineMozart 10 місяців тому +3

    The Ravanna has a absolutely wonderful and clear sound. 🎼🙏

  • @Tinykniter
    @Tinykniter 10 місяців тому +5

    I had a Ravenna for 3+ years and now have a sister of the Ballad, the Jolie. So not a fair comparison, but I prefer the Jolie because the entire range is beautiful. The high notes of the Ravenna were noticeably quieter and brighter.
    There is a string spacing difference as well. The Ballad has narrower spacing than the Ravenna. I have large hands so it would be an issue for me. Love my Jolie, but I’d say you can’t go wrong with any Dusty Strings or MusicMakers harp! 💕

    • @LearningtheHarp
      @LearningtheHarp  10 місяців тому +1

      I have long fingers and could definitely tell a difference with the string spacing as well! Something to get used to forsure 😃 -Carrie ♥

  • @skiingharpist3147
    @skiingharpist3147 10 місяців тому +5

    The Ballad has a less consistent tone color between octaves. Sometimes it sounds almost PDLT, then other times it’s dark.
    As I listen, the attack at the beginning of each note on the Ballad can sound initially percussive and bright. Maybe that’s what gives what I’m
    Perceiving as a slightly inconsistent tone color.
    The Dusty has a more even color throughout the ranges.
    Both are beautiful. And both would work better in certain venues &/or churches than the other depending on the harpist’s desire and preference in performance. Both lovely & you play beautifully with awesome technique … so you play them in a way that brings out the depth in both!! Brava!

    • @LearningtheHarp
      @LearningtheHarp  10 місяців тому

      Aww thank you so much! Those are really interesting observations you made 🙌🏼 --Carrie ♥

  • @organist1982
    @organist1982 10 місяців тому +5

    Very nice comparison! I should point out that the Ravenna has the option to have Camac levers just like the Ballad. I have a Ravenna 34 and requested Camac levers. I also have a Dusty Boulevard 34 with the stiffer Loveland levers, as the Camac levers weren't yet an option on the Boulevard when I got it, but I much prefer the Camac levers.

  • @maatkaramaatkara5170
    @maatkaramaatkara5170 2 місяці тому

    The Ravenna has a sharp sound while the Ballad is warmer...

  • @marykatespring
    @marykatespring 9 місяців тому +1

    Great video! I loved the Ravenna.

  • @AngelaBoraston
    @AngelaBoraston 10 місяців тому +5

    So interesting to have these two side by side to compare. Both beautiful harps! Thanks for making this.

    • @LearningtheHarp
      @LearningtheHarp  10 місяців тому

      Yes hearing them side by side really makes you aware of qualities you might have not noticed otherwise! It's so interesting 😃♥ -Carrie

    • @AngelaBoraston
      @AngelaBoraston 10 місяців тому

      @LearningtheHarp yes exactly that...and in the same way helps make one more self aware too. Its been interesting to watch this and find in myself what I prefer and don't. Harps are so personal aren't they? And so special.

  • @shannonsharpstory
    @shannonsharpstory 10 місяців тому +2

    Wonderful comparison! I like both harps. I have the Ravenna 34 and LOVE it. I have the regular levers, and I do agree they are a bit stiff feeling, but if you buy direct from Dusty Strings there is an option to upgrade to Camac levers. I have a pick-up in mine and when plugging in, I often let the Sound People know they may need to turn down the bass a bit, as the bass strings really resonate forever! (Sometimes a bit of slight muffling helps). But I love my Dusty Strings Ravenna-34 and will be keeping it for quite awhile. 🥰

  • @GrupoChucumite
    @GrupoChucumite 2 місяці тому

    I've always loved Dusty Strings and have owned 2 FH36, a Ravenna and now an Allegro 26 which i picked up locally for $150 (!). I must say I like the mellow, rich sound of the Ballad. Well done.

  • @taracarolin9082
    @taracarolin9082 10 місяців тому +1

    You are right. They both have different strengths. Overall, I prefer the warm resonance of the Ballad. I find the high notes too shrill on the Ravenna. I got to play a Ravenna 26 in person once and found it tinny and disappointing, but I would love to hear a Ravenna 34 in person.

  • @organist1982
    @organist1982 10 місяців тому +4

    Next: a comparison video of the Ballad vs Jolie hybrid! 😃

  • @clawrence53
    @clawrence53 10 місяців тому +1

    Your playing is beautiful!! I like both of them.

  • @aidaniams9160
    @aidaniams9160 10 місяців тому +2

    Lovely comparison! I started on a Ravenna back in 2017 and was very pleased with the quality. I tend not to like lower tension harps as much, but the medium tension of Dusty instruments feels very comfortable for me.
    One note about the levers: the comparison is less about the model of the harp and more about the type of lever itself. The Ravenna comes standard with Loveland levers (the black levers in the video), but can be "upgraded" to Camac levers, similar to what is on the Ballad here.

    • @LearningtheHarp
      @LearningtheHarp  10 місяців тому

      That's a great point about the levers! 🙂

  • @ceilidhmckay9066
    @ceilidhmckay9066 10 місяців тому +1

    Wonderful to learn the subtle differences! ❤

  • @inthedaysstillleft1257
    @inthedaysstillleft1257 10 місяців тому +1

    Thank you, Carrie!

  • @nwpioneer2551
    @nwpioneer2551 10 місяців тому +2

    I love the Ravena. I't so much brighter, fuller and very wholsom. (spelling?) And you are so fantastic, thank you.

    • @LearningtheHarp
      @LearningtheHarp  10 місяців тому +1

      Aww thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts! ♥

  • @yomo4u
    @yomo4u 10 місяців тому +1

    Beautiful comparison!

  • @nikikranz
    @nikikranz 10 місяців тому +2

    You play the Ballad faster, lighter, thanks to the less string tension. The notes flow so easily on it! Both sound wonderful. I have a Salvi Mia, it's much easier to get that here in Europe I guess :)

    • @HarpKit
      @HarpKit 10 місяців тому +2

      We at Musicmakers are in the process of setting up operations in Sweden to assemble and distribute our popular harps in Europe. Keep an eye out in the near future.

    • @LearningtheHarp
      @LearningtheHarp  10 місяців тому

      Yes, those quick passages really do flow on the Ballad harp!

  • @ShelleyE
    @ShelleyE 4 місяці тому

    Thanks for doing a great comparison of these harps! Tip: add the written notes into your transcript file with time stamps. We can listen without watching and read the notes later then.

  • @drp2200
    @drp2200 9 місяців тому

    I love sound of music makers harps the best. So glad there are different options for us😊

  • @skipdubrin8825
    @skipdubrin8825 9 місяців тому +1

    Great comparison video. Would be nice to have a comparison done of a Dusty Strings FH36S in cherry and a cherry Thormalan Swan.

  • @barbaragittings5523
    @barbaragittings5523 10 місяців тому +1

    I prefer the Ballad it has a beautiful tone I find the Ravana to sharp on the ears 😊

  • @SharonCullenArt
    @SharonCullenArt 10 місяців тому +3

    The sound of the Ravenna sounds harsh to me. It is somewhat unpleasant to my ears. It sounds like the notes lose their tone over the sustain whereas the Ballad has a cleaner fuller sound. It holds its tone throughout the entire ring of the sound. I actually compared the Ravenna with the Jolie for several weeks with different harpists playing them and listened to recordings with my eyes closed over and over and the Ravenna began grating on me. I just don’t like its sound. Yes it is louder but that’s all it has going for it.i often wondered if the tension on the Ravenna was a bit lower or something and that’s why I didn’t care for the sound.

  • @Ji_un_park
    @Ji_un_park 10 днів тому

    I might be mistaken but I think you can choose between Camac (the ones on the Ballad) and Loveland (the ones on the Ravenna) levers when buying a Dusty harp. So I wouldn’t consider the levers a pro or con in this comparison.
    I love the sound of the Ravenna and I’m currently saving for a FH36.
    I also love Camac harps, especially the Celtic Isolde for fast tunes like the Butterfly and the Camac Excalibur for its string tension and versatility. Also love the Salvi Una ❤

  • @emblamiriam
    @emblamiriam 10 місяців тому +3

    The Ravenna is more resonant! Definitely my favourite of the two, though both sound very nice. By the way, I'd love to learn The Little Fountain (you've really made me fall in love with the piece!!), but I'm unable to find the sheet music anywhere... Any ideas? All the best.

    • @LearningtheHarp
      @LearningtheHarp  10 місяців тому +1

      Here is a link to purchase a book that includes The Little Fountain! www.vaharpcenter.com/sheet-music/p/danses-pour-la-dauphine?rq=pratt
      I believe it can be purchased as a solo piece as well, but I'm honestly not sure where. The wonderful folks at the Virginia Harp Center might be able to point you in the right direction if you didn't want to purchase the whole book! 🤗

    • @emblamiriam
      @emblamiriam 10 місяців тому

      @@LearningtheHarp Thank you so much!! 💓

  • @Pythonaria
    @Pythonaria 10 місяців тому +2

    The Ravenna but then I am biased as it's a Ravenna 34 I have.

  • @dgsoriano
    @dgsoriano 2 місяці тому

    The Ravenna has a brighter more melodious sound. Both sound beautiful. If I had to choose I would go with the Ravenna.

  • @nwpioneer2551
    @nwpioneer2551 9 місяців тому

    I justy found THE KINGS HARPISTS. Fantastic. 144 harpists at he same time.

  • @SiljeLiumMusic
    @SiljeLiumMusic 10 місяців тому

    Your playing is so, so beautiful ❤️❤️❤️

  • @musicalmarion
    @musicalmarion 10 місяців тому

    Hi Carrie ! Wonderful comparison, I have the Ravenna which is strong but quite blurry, but the Ballad is clearer with a less powerful sound I think. Both sound great though when you play ! 🎶

  • @sprinklechesed
    @sprinklechesed 9 місяців тому

    There is an online harpist from Italy who talks about how she likes different harps for different songs. A Thousand Years and Mahogany Moon both sound gentler and more soothing on the Ballad harp. The Ballad also sounds more -- antique? It makes me think more of a harpsichord sound, of an older sort of harp. The Ravenna seems to have more volume.

    • @LearningtheHarp
      @LearningtheHarp  9 місяців тому

      That's so interesting! I can definitely hear what you mean about it sounding more antique 😃

  • @simp_pdf
    @simp_pdf 10 місяців тому +1

    Omg! Great comparison! I love both 😍
    Are we getting tuts for the Butterfly Jig soon???? 👀🤞

  • @hollyharps
    @hollyharps 10 місяців тому

    To me, the Ravenna has a brighter tone and is louder. While the lower weight is a plus, I prefer lighter string tension. I think the higher tension is for people who want to play pedal harp later on, or who play both. I wouldn't complain if someone gave me either one, though!

  • @immortalshe3333
    @immortalshe3333 10 місяців тому

    Ravenna's note (pitch) is quite higher and somehow muffled (not noticeably) and ballad sounds kinda deeper with much of an elegant pitch. Seems I'll be choosing Ravenna for bright music and ballad for some serious soundings❤️

  • @bluelinebabe1
    @bluelinebabe1 10 місяців тому +3

    This type of video is so very helpful and educational --plus, just a delight to hear you! Thank you!

    • @LearningtheHarp
      @LearningtheHarp  10 місяців тому

      You are SO sweet! I'm glad you enjoyed 🥰 --Carrie

  • @CzechJamie
    @CzechJamie 7 місяців тому

    I have. Listened to this comparison 3 times. Thank you for your comments while reviewing these 2. Actually, I am considering Ravenna vs Jolie. I would love any comments you have, or if there is a review of those 2, please advise me. My harp journey began 2 yrs ago. I jumped in and got a walnut full sickle se. While learning my 1st song, I realized I wanted a few more strings. The ds fh36 has caught my ear. But I think 36 strings might be a clumsy reach for me esp for lever changes. Maybe there is another I should include in my UA-cam reviewing?

  • @bettyp6259
    @bettyp6259 Місяць тому

    What a wonderful comparison you provided! One question: do they have the same string spacing? Thank you.

    • @LearningtheHarp
      @LearningtheHarp  Місяць тому

      No, the Ballad’s string spacing is narrower 😊

  • @GloriaGarcia-yv1tk
    @GloriaGarcia-yv1tk 10 місяців тому

    Wonderful comparison, thank you for doing this! I actually love both! However,maybe I’m a little biased (since I own a Dusty 36S & a Ravenna 26) but I still love the resonance of a Dusty, but yeah those Loveland levers, I agree, are too stiff & Camacs are so much better (I have them on my 22 string Triplett Zephyr) and they’re like butter for flipping…thanks again!!

    • @LearningtheHarp
      @LearningtheHarp  10 місяців тому +1

      So you can really relate to this video, having both harps! That's so neat 😃 Glad you're enjoying them! ♥

  • @elizabethdexter3779
    @elizabethdexter3779 5 місяців тому

    How about string tension?

  • @medicinehatpinto7242
    @medicinehatpinto7242 9 місяців тому

    Creator bless n keep you safe, sister. Love you!

  • @ericdoce4974
    @ericdoce4974 10 місяців тому

    Although I love the Ravenna’s brightness and fullness and design, I hear on the Ballad a kind of clarity that surprisingly I seem to prefer!

    • @LearningtheHarp
      @LearningtheHarp  10 місяців тому

      I totally get that! It does have a very clear sound ♥

  • @cassieescobar8083
    @cassieescobar8083 10 місяців тому

    The Ballad harp to me sounds cheery, higher pitched (although I know it's the same notes!) and softer; the Ravenna sounds richer, louder, and I agree, the strings seems to ring longer. Both sound very pretty though, and it is very interesting to hear both played side by side. I would not be able to tell the difference if I was hearing them separately. It's like seeing identical twins - I can only tell the difference when they are both before me at the same time! Hard to tell them apart when they are not together! (my neighbors!) :). Thank you for doing this, Carrie! Good to hear differences in harp brands! I'm curious - does the shape of the harp make the difference in sound? (i.e., Dusty Strings is pitched higher on the lower strings)

    • @LearningtheHarp
      @LearningtheHarp  10 місяців тому

      Yes!! Hearing them side by side really makes you aware of qualities you may not notice otherwise 🤗 As for the shape of the harp, I would bet there is an impact on the sound! That would be really interesting to ask a harp maker 😃 The harp is such a complex instrument, I'm sure they think through every detail like that!

  • @makeitso4793
    @makeitso4793 10 місяців тому

    Seems to depend on the song being played. Just like I would not play bluegrass on a classic guitar for say, the 1st harp seems more robust in sound and clarity, while the second one is a bit more quieter and sounds better with a slow tune carefully plucked or played out. One song soungs good on one and another on the other one but I like the 1st one.

    • @LearningtheHarp
      @LearningtheHarp  10 місяців тому

      That's a really great point! It's cool to have different instruments for various styles ☺

  • @KaysCutz
    @KaysCutz 10 місяців тому +1

    Please don’t take my comment the wrong way but as a bilateral hearing aid wearer I much prefer the sound of the Ballad, as the Ravenna sounds very tinny in comparison. The Ballad sounds much clearer to me. I would love you to do you lessons on the Ballad instead of the Ravenna as it is much clearer and the sound doesn’t resonate as much.

    • @LearningtheHarp
      @LearningtheHarp  10 місяців тому +1

      No offense taken! I actually only teach on the Ballad now 😃 The Virginia Harp Center was very generously lending us the Ravenna for Learning the Harp videos, but we've since given it back now that we have the Ballad harp! ♥

  • @cheryla9951
    @cheryla9951 8 місяців тому

    The sound of both harps is lovely as I listen through my computer headphones and I so appreciate these harp comparisons! It can narrow the field when you are shopping for the sound you want. Just keep in mind hearing the harps in person can give you a different sound/feel than a reproduction. I bought a harp based only on what I heard played online and was greatly disappointed. So if at all possible find one you can hear in person. I went to Thormahlen harps and heard Sharon play the different models after hearing them on their website. I liked what I heard and knew it was the sound I wanted...... And if you can't visit a harp store try to find someone in your area that has a harp you are interested in and would be willing to let you hear it in person. This approach may save you much time, money and disappointment.

    • @LearningtheHarp
      @LearningtheHarp  8 місяців тому

      That’s great advice, Cheryl! 👍🏻👍🏻

  • @orionspero560
    @orionspero560 9 місяців тому

    Both harps have a lighter brighter sound than I would prefer.

  • @RonaldDelby
    @RonaldDelby 21 день тому

    Ravenna best especially if you are in a venue without sound speakers

  • @omarkassem8191
    @omarkassem8191 10 місяців тому +1

    I think the Ballad has a little richer, warmer tone than the Ravenna.

  • @friedfish69
    @friedfish69 10 місяців тому

    Through tablet speakers? Ravenna has more high-end without being shrill. Ballad is beautiful, perhaps better in ensemble, because it leaves a bit more room for other instruments.

    • @LearningtheHarp
      @LearningtheHarp  10 місяців тому

      That's a really interesting thought about the Ballad! It certainly could cut through an ensemble nicely 👍🏼

  • @karlaarndt1321
    @karlaarndt1321 10 місяців тому +2

    If the notes are low, I prefer the Ravenna. If the notes are high, I prefer the Ballad. The Ravenna’s high notes literally hurt my ears. They are much too bright.

  • @loco4636
    @loco4636 10 місяців тому

    Send me one of each, please. . .

  • @maddalenasodo9566
    @maddalenasodo9566 3 місяці тому

    Ravenna

  • @MariaFlores-eg6zq
    @MariaFlores-eg6zq 6 місяців тому

    Ravenna is more brighter and ballad sounds like it is more lacked in the sound box

  • @artviolino7251
    @artviolino7251 Місяць тому

    ❤🤗🎶🎶🎶

  • @moniquemanspeaker7803
    @moniquemanspeaker7803 8 місяців тому

    I like revinna more

  • @friedfish69
    @friedfish69 10 місяців тому

    Second comment... You say the two harps have different strengths and uses. Don't leave us hanging; what are the strengths and uses?
    Also, you comment that the Ravenna is mellow, while @smworswick and aI both heard clearer high end from the Ravenna. Could be the speakers. Could be confirmation bias on my part - I've been drooling over Ravenna's for a while. Thoughts?

    • @LearningtheHarp
      @LearningtheHarp  10 місяців тому

      Yes I've heard varying opinions on this! It could be the difference of speakers, and also maybe how I hear it live as I'm playing may be slightly different than how it sounds over a recording. As far as the different strengths and uses for the harps, I would say the lower string tension of the Ballad feels more suitable for Celtic music, while the Ravenna leans more in the direction of classical music with the slightly higher tension 😃

  • @jeannieb.
    @jeannieb. 10 місяців тому

    The Ballad is "fruitier."

    • @LearningtheHarp
      @LearningtheHarp  10 місяців тому

      Haha "fruity" isn't a word I would've thought to describe the sound of a harp, yet, it's so accurate! 😆

    • @ZhiyingChoo
      @ZhiyingChoo 9 місяців тому

      what does Fruitier mean?