@@officialWWM im also interested in how they would increase downforce on the rear wing without making the upper flap look wierd if they angle it steeper, it kinda goes against the flow of the rear wing
imo the rules around using the drs should be different on every race track. on tracks that are hard to overtake for example, fia could set the drs threshold to 1.5s or 2s behind the lead car to encourage overtaking. such a huge missed opportunity here. this cost next to no money (all systems are in place already) but will turn boring races into more exciting ones.
@@ralphdale3919 Not for quite a few years - I was Editor of Stockcar Engineering for a while, while still working on Racecar Engineering, I stopped working there full time in 2017 and became the associate editor responsible for F1 coverage and the Asia-Pacific region, then left altogether in 2019. I now mostly write for Japanese publications from the San-ei-shobo / Sans inc company. I still do some consulting work but unfortunately that all remains confidential!
@@halofreak1990 😂 Well, it could come in quite handy if you take milk, sugar or both with your coffee or tea. You'd no longer need to use that outdated low-tech spoon for stirring 😁
For the silly comments: When you have damage you go to FIA and request replacement with the same spec, under parc ferme rules. Mercedes did not notice their damage, and allowed the car to go into scrutineering, after Qualifying ended. Under the Technical Regulation rules, if you have a damaged part, that makes said part break a rule in any way, whether it was damage, intentional, accidental, cosmic interfierence. You get Disqualified. No if's, but's or maybe's. It's tough luck. You are not allowed to go into scrutineering with something damaged that breaks the rules without notifying FIA for requesting replacement. Each time Red Bull noticed the damage and notified FIA. Before scrutineering occured.
But surely if it keeps breaking, the FIA should step in and say this wing is dangerous because of the multiple failures, and needs to be redesigned/reinforced to stop it happening.
@@trinisadu they saw it flapping around in the wind. You saw the video they showed of it breaking, you do realize that at the time RedBull would have been able to see that as well?
Merc AMG channel had video explaining it,,, just Grey area of how to measure things, Unlucky for Merc it didn't go through as the "legal way" The measurements are correct and legal, just the way it's been measure doesn't Satisfy FIA
Budget cap having such an interesting impact on the racing, Firstly, teams are running parts multiple times - so we’re seeing high mileage failure of parts like rear wings, cracks etc. Second, drivers are very careful about contact with other cars as rebuilding a car takes valuable cash out of the budget that could be used for development. There has been so few safety cars this year in comparison to previous years!
Very interesting, I was under the impression that DRS was gone after this year. However I am a bit confused since the aerodynamics were being altered to permit closer following and eliminate the need for the system.
as they said, if the fia sees that the it is no longer necessary, they have the right to take it away. So basically, ah this was not enough, use drs or… the new regulations are enough, remove drs entirely
The stewards ruling wasn’t that Max was right or wrong. The stewards only said that they don’t want to make decisions that affect race results from previous weeks, as this sets a dangerous precedent. Once the race has been classified, the results are locked in. They shouldn’t be able to change the result 1-2 weeks in the future. This means that should a driver try the same move in Qatar, and the onboard is available during the race, it would be a penalty.
I think they need to stop allowing DRS for people you aren't racing. You only get DRS from the person you are racing for position. IE: 3rd chasing 2nd gets DRS. 1st lapping 20th does not. 18th following 2nd doesn't either.
I kinda agree with this, but the rational is that when you are following a back-marker, their turbulence and wake is still going to impact on your lap time.
Great show Sam and Craig I enjoy watching you guys delve deep into the Tech world of F1. Keep analyzing and exposing us to what these teams are up to you are doing a great job!
I say have 5 or 6 different options (drs, adjustable front wing, adjustable cooling vents, etc etc) and the teams can choose to use up to 2 for each weekend. Be interesting to watch the different approaches the teams make/take.
Id love to see DRS be available to all drivers wherever it would be safe to use but you only get to use it once per lap. So instead of having two or three drs zones, you have basically everywhere that would be safe as a drs zone and let the drivers choose where to use it each lap. None of this "you must be within 1 second at the detection point" nonsense, everyone gets 1 activation of their DRS per lap. I think that would make for more interesting racing.
That defeats the entire point of DRS, which is to compensate for the wake a trailing car experiences from the car in front, allowing a better chance to overtake.
There used to be KERS for this type of thing back in the days. Imho i think that having the drivers using it wherever they want would be dangerous and also slightly useless as you get and advantage on straights only basically.
@@n1kurd mercedes had two “ tokens “ to spend on their car in terms of developing it from the FIA’s 2021 base model - we still don’t know how they used them , or how much of an advantage it may have given them in certain aspects of the W12
The number of deployments of the DRS should be relative to your starting grid position. You start on pole, you get none. Starting second on the grid you get one use of DRS, and so on during the race.
While I agree about the pertinence of movable aero elements on road going cars for drag reduction ( and therefore fuel usage reduction ), all the movable parts and actuators will end up in costlier repair bills...
@@GloomGaiGar I'm thinking more along the lines of radiator front grille openings which are very draggy and could be half-closed or almost closed depending on the situation.
The title fight is over for Redbull, the last three races have long DRS straight and the Mercedes is 30-40 Kmph quicker than the Redbull . Its sad coz we were hoping for a close fight till Abu Dhabi.
True, still an amazing job though to still be ahead in the championship with a lesser car, much less luck (being crashed out of the race a few times even) and the fia against you.
Adjustable aero is going to add extra weight, complexity and costs, when the teams are complaining about costs and the drivers are complaining about weight.
DRS should be available to the leader even if he is not 1 second from another car, as a way to defend from a chasing car using the drs. If not it is kind of defending with one hand behind your back…
If that was the case though, everyone would use it every drs zone and nullify the difference in speed, reducing the overtaking. If the driver ahead plans right they might be able to defend from a drs move, similar to how Perez did with Hamilton in Brasil. I know that chance will be available in Abu Dhabi for instance
Yes drs is the future. But also different graphs of turning your car different setups through out the laps is the future. Drs is the future what your mistaken is that drs shouldn't be like a nitrogen tank. Drs should be use at all times in every single lap tomahawk srt dodge
The problem is the tracks, too narrow and the straights too short for cars which can accelerate and brake that quickly. Without artificial passing from DRS, there are precious few places to pass on current and recent F1 tracks. Monza, Canada, Bahrain, Suzuka, sure. But tracks with too many corners and short straights would be snorefests (e.g. Silverstone, Nurburgring). If you don't like DRS, start arguing for wider tracks and limits on engine power.
I don't like the idea of too much active aero on the F1 car ,the actuators required will make the car heavy ,we are already approaching a ton .We should do more with less .I hovewer do support the idea of adding a few more active parts ,like those aero vectoring parts in the svj aventador
Drs is not nitrogen tank. Is should be use 100% in all laps at all times. And turning your car in every lap allowing the team to tune the car in different laps if they have extra hp they can increase the hp and if they don't need hp tune it down. This is the future. We will never get to mars if we don't fight for it
What would happen if the upper flap of the DRS flew off? If there was an increase in the speed of the car as a result of the reduced drag, would the FIA call the car out of the race even when it's technically not unsafe?
The car would probably become very unstable and they would lose huge amounts of time in the corners. It’s unlikely that the FIA would need to call them in. They’d come in anyway
search for Marcus Ericsson's crash at Monza, the DRS stuck open at the end of the main straight, making the car completely unstable under braking. the reduction in drag can hardly be an advantage condering this and the reduction in downforce.
@@jaimesrk like nico hulkenberg in Japan a few years back. His DRS got stuck open and the renault mechanic tried to hammer it down, but because they couldn't, he retired then and there.
The developments also have a limit that is apparent here. You will find the solution soon to the team. Although this is in many places, it's just hidden. In time, such sharpened parts will be ruined sooner. 🙂
Christian Horner: Look over there!" ... Look over there!!! ... Nothing to see here at RB - just building a human hall to hide what we are doing :) ... he's laughable!!!
The Way DRS is utilized is all wrong turn in my opinion because, if we want to have competitive racing every driver should be able to open the real wings whenever they want, "period". If you want action and more overtaking, then this is the way to go. 👍👍👍👍👍🏎️🏎️🏎️🏎️🏎️
So if the midduct stall system and DRS do the same thing why did FIA get rid of the former. Is it because they couldn't control when a driver decided to use it?
I bet RBR are doing it on purpose through the practice sessions (putting on sub-par wings) so they can gauge the competition and then fix it to the optimum spec before quali/race as a "safety fix"
Mmhhmm, like bottas taking on 3 engines that were fine, and then finding all these "relliability issues" with them, that were incorporated into lewis' Brazil engine......
@@siddheshkadav7234 all the other teams have sorted any flutter issues by stiffening the wing, and yet we still see it moving around in Qatar now and every week it needs repairs. Maybe that's why?
Finally we get an idea of how DRS will be implemented in the 2022 cars
Yes, Ive been waiting for this too. I thought it may not be needed anymore 🤷🏻♂️
@@officialWWM im also interested in how they would increase downforce on the rear wing without making the upper flap look wierd
if they angle it steeper, it kinda goes against the flow of the rear wing
@Stephen W no one said we don’t understand how DRS works 🙄
@@lukyboi_4450 I guess there will be lots of new things for us to discover next year. I can’t wait!
@Stephen W Wdym, they changed their wing from brazil
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Thank you Sam and Craig for explaining the "nuts and bolts" of DRS.
imo the rules around using the drs should be different on every race track. on tracks that are hard to overtake for example, fia could set the drs threshold to 1.5s or 2s behind the lead car to encourage overtaking. such a huge missed opportunity here. this cost next to no money (all systems are in place already) but will turn boring races into more exciting ones.
That's actually a brilliant idea for boring tracks like *Mexico.* Checo should have easily finished 2nd in that race.
I think in the next seasons they should try let the drivers decide where to use the drs.
@@walbermr that’s not safe
Isn't it already adjustable in terms of of which/number of straights and the distance it can be used for?
That's a helluva great idea! 👍
Sam's such a real and honest guy, I wonder if he's an engineer.
Yepp he is, Deputy Editor of Racecar Engineering Magazine for a few years now
@@ralphdale3919 Not for quite a few years - I was Editor of Stockcar Engineering for a while, while still working on Racecar Engineering, I stopped working there full time in 2017 and became the associate editor responsible for F1 coverage and the Asia-Pacific region, then left altogether in 2019.
I now mostly write for Japanese publications from the San-ei-shobo / Sans inc company.
I still do some consulting work but unfortunately that all remains confidential!
@@Samsthings With yourself & the amount of knowledge that Craig has.. Tech Talk is always a must watch..
@@Samsthings cheers mate, hopefully F1 has hired you full time. Really excellent content.
I now want a coffee table with active DRS more than I have wanted anything else in my life
Just don't place the cup on the upper flap
@@halofreak1990 😂
Well, it could come in quite handy if you take milk, sugar or both with your coffee or tea. You'd no longer need to use that outdated low-tech spoon for stirring 😁
For the silly comments:
When you have damage you go to FIA and request replacement with the same spec, under parc ferme rules. Mercedes did not notice their damage, and allowed the car to go into scrutineering, after Qualifying ended.
Under the Technical Regulation rules, if you have a damaged part, that makes said part break a rule in any way, whether it was damage, intentional, accidental, cosmic interfierence. You get Disqualified. No if's, but's or maybe's. It's tough luck.
You are not allowed to go into scrutineering with something damaged that breaks the rules without notifying FIA for requesting replacement.
Each time Red Bull noticed the damage and notified FIA. Before scrutineering occured.
But surely if it keeps breaking, the FIA should step in and say this wing is dangerous because of the multiple failures, and needs to be redesigned/reinforced to stop it happening.
How do you notice damage to a wing that causes said wing to be wider in one corner by .2 of a millimeter after a quali session ???
@@trinisadu without being allowed in touch or inspect the car
@@trinisadu they saw it flapping around in the wind. You saw the video they showed of it breaking, you do realize that at the time RedBull would have been able to see that as well?
Merc AMG channel had video explaining it,,, just Grey area of how to measure things, Unlucky for Merc it didn't go through as the "legal way"
The measurements are correct and legal, just the way it's been measure doesn't Satisfy FIA
me: * clicks on video *
F1 youtube: *D R S*
Budget cap having such an interesting impact on the racing,
Firstly, teams are running parts multiple times - so we’re seeing high mileage failure of parts like rear wings, cracks etc.
Second, drivers are very careful about contact with other cars as rebuilding a car takes valuable cash out of the budget that could be used for development. There has been so few safety cars this year in comparison to previous years!
when you have money and can't spend it
all the top teams:😭😭😭
teams like haas: 😍😍😍
everyone else: 👍👍👍
Especially compared to last year when there was an insane amount of safety cars (think mugello etc)
Fantastic video. I didn’t know all this about the DRS system. Thank you!!
Bring on Active Aero, keep F1 cars ahead, keep them the fastest
Loved such small informational contents. Keep taking us through the nitty gritty of the formula 1.
This is the best thing besides the actual race
Zak de la Rocha killing these tech talks
We'll see how the People Of The Sun hold a race.
Red bulls on parade
Man, I can feel it in coming the air tonight..
Always happy to listen to Sam Collins
Scarbs has the right opinion. Anti DRS 👍👍
I see tech talk, I hit like.
Very interesting, I was under the impression that DRS was gone after this year. However I am a bit confused since the aerodynamics were being altered to permit closer following and eliminate the need for the system.
as they said, if the fia sees that the it is no longer necessary, they have the right to take it away. So basically, ah this was not enough, use drs or… the new regulations are enough, remove drs entirely
DRS is still a very important part of f1
Can the next one please be about the exact rules about overtaking 'cause i don't understand anything about it anymore.
This is tech talk. Stewards' brains aren't tech, that was the only thing that failed in Brazil
@@azetyler yeah, tech is always logical, stewards brains arent
Basically red bull can do anything they want
The stewards ruling wasn’t that Max was right or wrong. The stewards only said that they don’t want to make decisions that affect race results from previous weeks, as this sets a dangerous precedent.
Once the race has been classified, the results are locked in. They shouldn’t be able to change the result 1-2 weeks in the future.
This means that should a driver try the same move in Qatar, and the onboard is available during the race, it would be a penalty.
@@JakeM218 so beaucause red bull was holding the onboard for theirselves (wich BTW is illegal) they dont get a penalty. Ineresting tactics
A coffeetable with DRS is the ultimate flex.
These always sort of remind me of high school educational vids and i love it
I think they need to stop allowing DRS for people you aren't racing. You only get DRS from the person you are racing for position. IE: 3rd chasing 2nd gets DRS. 1st lapping 20th does not. 18th following 2nd doesn't either.
I kinda agree with this, but the rational is that when you are following a back-marker, their turbulence and wake is still going to impact on your lap time.
cars in the wake of lapped cars would lose tons of lap time for no reason
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Great show Sam and Craig I enjoy watching you guys delve deep into the Tech world of F1. Keep analyzing and exposing us to what these teams are up to you are doing a great job!
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I feel like the Monaca/Monza analogy was more convoluted than the regular old "open the rear wing and reduces drag" explanation.
I was wondering since like 2years how that curvy 2022 wing would integrate a reliable DRS.
Thanks for this idea/explaination.
I say have 5 or 6 different options (drs, adjustable front wing, adjustable cooling vents, etc etc) and the teams can choose to use up to 2 for each weekend. Be interesting to watch the different approaches the teams make/take.
Whoever hired Sam deserves a raise.
Great channel. It adds so much to the sport.
great video guys. always look forward to these
these 2 blokes were race champions
This help so much
Id love to see DRS be available to all drivers wherever it would be safe to use but you only get to use it once per lap.
So instead of having two or three drs zones, you have basically everywhere that would be safe as a drs zone and let the drivers choose where to use it each lap. None of this "you must be within 1 second at the detection point" nonsense, everyone gets 1 activation of their DRS per lap.
I think that would make for more interesting racing.
That defeats the entire point of DRS, which is to compensate for the wake a trailing car experiences from the car in front, allowing a better chance to overtake.
Then there is no need for drs if everybody can use it anytime ....
The purpose of a DRS is to make overtaking easier. With what you suggested, it'd be better to not have DRS at all.
for that ..u need Nitrous oxide like in need for speed.
There used to be KERS for this type of thing back in the days.
Imho i think that having the drivers using it wherever they want would be dangerous and also slightly useless as you get and advantage on straights only basically.
Thanks for this video
I quite enjoy these.
Love that guy with the fro. These shows are always so awesome
But the unanswered question of the year remains - what did Merc spend it's two tokens on this year?
What do you mean?
XL BigMac and a Strawberry milkshake.
@@n1kurd mercedes had two “ tokens “ to spend on their car in terms of developing it from the FIA’s 2021 base model - we still don’t know how they used them , or how much of an advantage it may have given them in certain aspects of the W12
Illegal engines
@@mmarwaan6378 sigh
2013 Bahrain GP, Fernando Alonso driving with full open DRS for laps.
The number of deployments of the DRS should be relative to your starting grid position. You start on pole, you get none. Starting second on the grid you get one use of DRS, and so on during the race.
25 seconds ago? Sam has really worked his magic with the tech talks 😂😂😂
While I agree about the pertinence of movable aero elements on road going cars for drag reduction ( and therefore fuel usage reduction ), all the movable parts and actuators will end up in costlier repair bills...
Regular road cars don't even need downforce. They more or less have "permanent DRS" since they have to be as slippery as possible.
@@GloomGaiGar I'm thinking more along the lines of radiator front grille openings which are very draggy and could be half-closed or almost closed depending on the situation.
The title fight is over for Redbull, the last three races have long DRS straight and the Mercedes is 30-40 Kmph quicker than the Redbull . Its sad coz we were hoping for a close fight till Abu Dhabi.
True, still an amazing job though to still be ahead in the championship with a lesser car, much less luck (being crashed out of the race a few times even) and the fia against you.
i would love to see that coffee table DRS that Sam and Craig were playing a few weeks ago
. 3:50 - wow i gotta watch u guys more often - this beautiful ^ - W
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Interesting…hydraulic actuators are not as responsive as electric actuators. Response time from the button on the steering wheel to the wing.
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It's a huge disadvantage for slower cars, opening DRS should not be allowed at any cost
Adjustable aero is going to add extra weight, complexity and costs, when the teams are complaining about costs and the drivers are complaining about weight.
Interesting that the video not showing and talking about Merc real wing in details.
205: f1 car transforms into a plane on straights
Active aero for crazy braking, or directional/turning could possibly make handling otherworldly.
@@Donkey_Xote next year’s cars are smaller anyway
Is there a need for DRS in 2022 ? / soon find out I guess 😁
8:02 you mean Marcus Ericsson in Monza 2018? That was an huge crash...
DRS should be available to the leader even if he is not 1 second from another car, as a way to defend from a chasing car using the drs. If not it is kind of defending with one hand behind your back…
If that was the case though, everyone would use it every drs zone and nullify the difference in speed, reducing the overtaking.
If the driver ahead plans right they might be able to defend from a drs move, similar to how Perez did with Hamilton in Brasil. I know that chance will be available in Abu Dhabi for instance
I wanna see the coffee table 😂
a rear wing coffe table i need this
I wonder why Red bull does not use sticky uppy bits to fix their rear wing.
I did think DRS was gone for 2022, hopefully they'll find that they don't need it.
anyone else surprised they didnt plug sky Q and aky glass in the title
Nice rear wings. But the lack of sticky uppy bits is noticed..
The background on this video feels like, it was made 10 years ago
Why i cannot watch the video? And it says "This video is not available"? Anyone know why?
I cant believe it took so long to explain this! I thought DRS would be unneeded in these new cars.
I hope DRS is not necessary next year.
DRS is unfair on underdogs who are capable of keeping big teams behind them.
underdogs you mean poorer teams?
@@hichew1021 Underdogs means Gasly, Norris, Leclerc.
unlimited DRS should be allowed for drivers below 5th place onwards to bunch up the cars together with fast cars in front.
@@srinathshettigar379 Fernando Alonso sends you well wishes.
@@srinathshettigar379 That makes totally no sense why it should be that way
I wish I had a DRS coffee table
I like DRS, so I'm glad it's staying next year.
the only thing to consider is if it improves racing not if the fans like it or not
Yes drs is the future. But also different graphs of turning your car different setups through out the laps is the future. Drs is the future what your mistaken is that drs shouldn't be like a nitrogen tank. Drs should be use at all times in every single lap tomahawk srt dodge
I have adjustable cooling system in my 1973 Corolla in the shape of manual window crank 😂
F1 🏎️ 2022 see ??...
3 pits stop race perfect race track for it
Why they haven't shown close up of Mercedes rear wing in this video? 😠
I love this guy,
Anything about drs in qatar like zones?
yay new circuits :)
The problem is the tracks, too narrow and the straights too short for cars which can accelerate and brake that quickly. Without artificial passing from DRS, there are precious few places to pass on current and recent F1 tracks. Monza, Canada, Bahrain, Suzuka, sure. But tracks with too many corners and short straights would be snorefests (e.g. Silverstone, Nurburgring). If you don't like DRS, start arguing for wider tracks and limits on engine power.
I don't like the idea of too much active aero on the F1 car ,the actuators required will make the car heavy ,we are already approaching a ton .We should do more with less .I hovewer do support the idea of adding a few more active parts ,like those aero vectoring parts in the svj aventador
Drs is not nitrogen tank. Is should be use 100% in all laps at all times. And turning your car in every lap allowing the team to tune the car in different laps if they have extra hp they can increase the hp and if they don't need hp tune it down. This is the future. We will never get to mars if we don't fight for it
What would happen if the upper flap of the DRS flew off? If there was an increase in the speed of the car as a result of the reduced drag, would the FIA call the car out of the race even when it's technically not unsafe?
The car would be black flagged. It wouldn't meet regulations
The car would probably become very unstable and they would lose huge amounts of time in the corners. It’s unlikely that the FIA would need to call them in. They’d come in anyway
Happened to Ricciardo... he crashed as a result...
DRS being stuck and staying open can also lead to a crash.
search for Marcus Ericsson's crash at Monza, the DRS stuck open at the end of the main straight, making the car completely unstable under braking. the reduction in drag can hardly be an advantage condering this and the reduction in downforce.
@@jaimesrk like nico hulkenberg in Japan a few years back. His DRS got stuck open and the renault mechanic tried to hammer it down, but because they couldn't, he retired then and there.
The fact redbull didn't get a penalty for that rear wing is baffling considering Lewis did.
The developments also have a limit that is apparent here. You will find the solution soon to the team. Although this is in many places, it's just hidden. In time, such sharpened parts will be ruined sooner. 🙂
So no one saw LH steering wheel moving in and out on the straight in Brasil 🤔🤔🤔 talk about that
Gunther wants his rear wing back.
I only saw one place where drs could possibly be used here and not long enough
Great to see Red Bull having issues with their rear wing now with only few races to go for them to figure out how to fix it
I love Sam and his sticky-uppy bits (hair)! What a great presenter!
I don't understand what the problem is with DRS. Why can't drivers use it whenever they want?
Christian Horner: Look over there!" ... Look over there!!! ... Nothing to see here at RB - just building a human hall to hide what we are doing :) ... he's laughable!!!
Wow!!!
The Way DRS is utilized is all wrong turn in my opinion because, if we want to have competitive racing every driver should be able to open the real wings whenever they want, "period". If you want action and more overtaking, then this is the way to go. 👍👍👍👍👍🏎️🏎️🏎️🏎️🏎️
it would still be mostly used on the straights though, since you lose a bunch of downforce
So if the midduct stall system and DRS do the same thing why did FIA get rid of the former. Is it because they couldn't control when a driver decided to use it?
Because the drivers took a hand off the wheel to cover the duct and engage the system. While going at full speed.
Stop cutting away from the close up picture !!
Imagine if can have adjustable aeros in something like Future GPX Cyber Formula. That would be epic. XD
FIA: No adjustable aero parts!! Reeee
Also FIA: Here, use DRS to overtake.
Wow I thought it was a solenoid, did NOT know the actuator was hydraulic!
I bet RBR are doing it on purpose through the practice sessions (putting on sub-par wings) so they can gauge the competition and then fix it to the optimum spec before quali/race as a "safety fix"
Mmhhmm, like bottas taking on 3 engines that were fine, and then finding all these "relliability issues" with them, that were incorporated into lewis' Brazil engine......
They have to replace the wings with an identical spec
Is this F1’s way to target Red Bull?
Why aren't other cars’ rear wings shown?
Because the Red Bull rear wings are fluttering down the straights.
@@ab8jeh Learn to listen 3:01
@@siddheshkadav7234 all the other teams have sorted any flutter issues by stiffening the wing, and yet we still see it moving around in Qatar now and every week it needs repairs. Maybe that's why?
@@ab8jeh Listen to what he says 3:01
I am asking for footage of other teams.