Bruh if a reference track came out for a Jay-Z song they would lose their mind. There’s a BIG difference from helping someone with a line or two, and giving someone a full song “sample” and you just taking it.
We know for a fact that Jay had references from Ye. They was just in person. We see “leaked” references today cuz everyone sending them via the internet instead of traveling to the studio.
Y’all spending so much time worrying about the “Ghost writing” label more than the fact that Drake isn’t writing a lot of these songs y’all praised him for and call him the best because others can’t make these types of songs. Neither can he 😂
Any type of having someone write your raps for you automatically disqualifies you from being a great MC, PERIOD! These youngster drake fans aren't really hip-hop heads, they're pop fans. Hip-hop heads don't fw "rappers" who don't even write their raps. That shit is sooooo wack.
@@OGgluttonoustoad Yeah it was a joke to hate and joke on Mal but people really tryna tear the man down 😂 he just has a opinion on a rapper he’s friends with lmao
What I like about the other pod is that they're not scared to challenge each other's takes and have a proper debate. Not enabling each other. Knowing Julian is gona hate on Em and just allowing it or Mal defending Drake every pod without any real push back and also not being open to others opinions. It's getting too much.
I skipped a couple episodes because I felt the same… I like when they have debates but lately it’s like their scared to step on each others toes/challenge the others point of view.. especially Mal’s and that’s my guy but c’mon man
This was a slick attempt by Mal to try and change the narrative No one is saying Drake doesn't write any of his raps. People are saying Drake has a lot songs where it was collaborative effort when it came to writing. Trying to split hairs over the use of the term 'ghost writer' is weak argument, over time and different generations words and phrases adapt and take on different meanings Additionally Drake insinuated, he wrote Mob Ties on his own, this was clearly not the case. Majority of rappers collaborate on bars, Drake is one them. It is OK to say that.
It’s like a man that’s been caught cheating on his wife’s multiple times but he’s on Facebook telling his family and friends how faithful he is time and time again but they know the truth
That 2nd statement isn’t true. People are absolutely trying to say that. Your point of view is reasonable, but people on UA-cam, Twitter etc are the ones exaggerating shit
@wait_in_gold_ON_SPOTIFY Mal and yourself are savvy enough to understand when someone says 'Drake doesn't write' they don't mean he literally doesn't write at all. People have to stop misinterpreting comments in order to paint false narratives
I get not liking an artist but Julian’s hate for Em is just weird….Julian is literally acting like he stood in the blistering cold for 4 hours and Em said no
Rory is right. Em always has a light hearted mainstream type song as a lead single like "my name is", "without me" etc and then has the better songs on the album. It's not really fair to judge the album based on "houdini" coz he clearly made it for his core fans not for y'all. The music video shows that.
Eminem's fans wanted such record since his prime. If someone wanted something else them he was delusional about what music Em does. Especially now when everyone wants Eminem to go back to his roots and his style - not this modern stacatto flow and modern overproduced Dre beats which don't mesh at all with Eminems voice. But Rory is also wrong. Eminem's production fits him best. It's other producers that do these not fitting beats
Hate to break it to you Ems a good technical rapper that raps about nothing...whyte peeps seem not to get this, i get it tho because hip hop like any black creative art was never yours so u dont even understand what it should really look like...go listen to Nas....start with it was written then illmatic..then Stillmatic..then his new stuff....Go listen to 'rewind', I Gave you Power, Undying Love...Em raps very good about nothing...when he does have a subject matter his raps boring basic...Em ran his course we the people bored of that rapping about nothing except trailer trash topics..and wild whyte boy takes
@@clarkkent52 lol I can't take anyone serious when they say he raps about nothing. Til I collapse, sing for the moment, the way I am, when I'm gone, Toy soldiers, Mosh and even newer songs like 25 to life, Evil twin, Castle, Arose, Darkness. Literally are all different story telling songs but y'all wouldnt know that coz you let the internet tell you what to hate instead of actually listening to the music. I do listen to all of the music you mentioned btw, and also I'm not white, I'm south african and Eminem is the biggest artist here. Since y'all like to paint narratives. Go well. 👍🏼
@@mr.simonphoenix7181 Ever heard of Rewind? I gave you power, Patience Nas with Damien Marley...Fetus...Undying Love...what standard you measuring by? Nas set the standard for story telling...even Ghost face and Raekwon better story telling better rappers...bro dont get gassed by the radio telling you to love em...Em is dope but either raps about rapping or just string bazaar wild whyte boy shock takes together...with awful flow...Ems flow like watching peeps with a little rhythm, basic dancers tryna hit that beat..no soul.....Bro even Biggie story telling more interesting...Ems finally gassed himself out and it painful to see your hero get flabby an sick like Larry Holmes
And he always uses the "f@g" word and constantly calls Julian gay. At least 3 times just this episode. For example 1:59 . Mal is definitely in the closet. Rorys mom was 100% right in her assumptions.
Y’all are wild. The internet is the strangest place. To disagree with someone is one thing, but then to attack that man’s character and call him gay is a different level of weirdo ish.
I’m somebody who gets annoyed with how much they all (especially Mal) try to use pause etc … but for Mal to act like “I can’t wait to find the best eggplant in California” isn’t pause worthy is CRAZY!
Julians Em hate is weird. Bro fetishizes white women and loves whiteness with every fiber of his body, but he hates Eminem. It's almost like he's annoyed because the people he fetishizes view their own as the best in a black art form.
Lmaooo that was deep. I hate Em because his substance isn't for me.. its actually quite annoying IMO.. he is talented but no way in fuck I'm going to turn on some Em
@@richiestu8223 that's still a weird reason to hate an artist. I haven't liked Em's since the recovery but that doesn't result in hate. Also, he's an artist. At least he has substance behind his music unlike MFS like Future who just says nonsense. Bro has the range songs like Mockingbird, Cleaning out my Closet, Toy Soldiers, When I'm Gone that are about his childhood, raising children, and overcoming addiction grief and trauma, while also hanging with Hov and Biggie on lyrical tracks like Dead Wrong and Renegade.
@@richiestu8223No hate, just curious..what is your “substance?” I can understand not liking the Slim Shady content, but you can’t appreciate a song like Darkness?
He's one of those uppity ass Blacks that think all of Em's content is not relatable. It's funny cause if you know his backstory, he can definitely relate. Just closeted off.😅
Eminems last project, "Music to be murdered by," is one of his best projects. And so many of what you asked for is on that album. It's clear y'all haven't listened to his last project, and you should.
Stop calling drake the best rapper if everytime its time for some valid criticism you defend him by saying "no thats not fair hes a popstar" if hes a popstar then compare him to dua lipa and justin bieber. He aint nor has he ever been the best RAPPER. mos def was right about that target music shit he said. Drake is #NOTLIKEUS
We all know Julian "came into the game as a writer." He hates Eminem so personally because Eminem actually became a highly successful writer. Meanwhile the only thing of Julian's that has been read are two Instagram captions by his friends right here on this show.
Kendrick bout to drop that 5th verse of Meet The Grahams. "Dear JaMal" lmao...... Mal still my 🥷 but i know he just dont wanna back track on his words. He know the Kendrick won that
its a conflicting space becuz Drake has toooo many songs to be discredited as a writer; yet, its a dagger every time a new reference track comes out. its not so much that he uses sum1 else collaboratively but finding out it wasn't solely Drake who created the song. does he make it better? definitely. but the fact that its other ppl's SOUNDS is what bothers me. the timestamp records argument is just a way 2 keep Drake's writing ability alive, but based on those, we kno what Drake's flow sounds like. ALL these other flows we thought he was good at utilizing r now being found out to belong 2 others & that's the issues 4 me... in 2024 im not made at swaggy collabs, but dude has hurt my heart using other ppl's flows & calling it his, something he's been accused of outwardly & now these reference tracks prove it smh. i had 2 vent. that is my Ted Talk. lol.
@@jaejae444 Thanks for clarifying. Drake writes even for other artists but he definitely gets help as well. So it’s like he’s legitimate but not legitimate at the same time. Which is a pattern of a lot of his career. This is the controversy with Drake.
That story of Rory’s mom attempting to baptize his daughter was just on this season of Young Sheldon. Either he is lying or mom got the idea from that or parents sneaking to baptize children is a regular occurrence. 😂
Not really. Stan is about a deranged fan with a screw or two loose.. similar to what people who claim that Em is the g.o.a.t. are. Em wrote a song about his own fanbase. "Come to think about it, his name was-it was you Damn..."
@@kingarthur6173 my point was that casually using the term “Stan” as a noun (not in reference to Eminem or the song) is like using the term “Ether” as a verb, and not crowning Nas or the phrase “bling bling” and not crowning Wayne. It’s become apart of the lexicon. Only a few can aim to have done it.
@@mxtpmrcs2509 LOL, you youngins.. Nas didnt create being "ethered", Bugs Bunny did.. and "stan" was from a 90's Wayans brothers basketball movie. I'm about the same age as Em and Nas so i got the references right away. You whipper snappers who think he's the goat think everything starts and ends with him. Its cute 🤩
“He raps about absolutely nothing in the later half of his career” -Julie “Darkness” “Walk on Water” “Best Friend” “Stepping Stone” “Fine line” “Arose” “Going through changes” “Zeus” “Never love again” “No regrets” “Like home” “Bad Husband” “Castle” “Deja Vu” “Headlights” I’m all for things being subjective. Just make sure you at least try before talking to just be talking. He’s trash but you don’t listen to his newer stuff. How would you know that it’s garbage then?
Most of these songs are NOT memorable. Maybe the content is a lot better than what people give him credit for but we not looking to him for content or maybe his content.
The bars are the same "Louis bags in exchange for bodybags" - Vory "They'll knock you off to pay their tithes" Vory "It's too late for all that lovey dovey shit that im ya brother shit & all that other shit - Vory Listen to the music not Mal
Yup, Mal full of shyt! I don't know why he fighting this hard but this ain't Hip Hop and that's why we keep saying he's glazing... The fact that his ass and Ak is on the same side should be an alarm to his child bearing hip ass but.... 😆😆
Saying Em would have been underground if he wasnt white is completely stupid. He got discovered and Dre fw him because of his skill and then Dre helped him make bangers that EVERYONE liked.
At this point WE as fans of the podcast CAN’T TAKE MAL SERIOUSLY 🤷🏾♀️ He said Drake raps better than Eminem and even Stevie Wonder knows that’s a LIE 😂🤧
I never took Mal seriously ever since he was on Joe Budden Podcast. The man thought Rick Ross is a better rapper than The Game and he said that he didn’t know Game had multiple flows. Smh.
just throwing this out there, I hadn't really watched since shortly after the Budden situation, but lately I've been back onto watching every episode and this is one the few pods i enjoy while going throughout my day. keep it up yall
Mal, you’re losing credibility brotha. You’re loyal, we get it. But cmon son, Mob Ties is a TERRIBLE LOOK. No REAL MC is gonna Jack somebody’s entire song like that. This ain’t the hill to stand on.
You fraggles hate watching something at 8am on a Saturday AS IT PREMIERES and leaving comments yearning for strange men to agree with you is wild, go brush your teeth
its dumb to compare the drake reference tracks to lucifer by jay-z... yes kanye gave him the "murder capital" hook, but the rest of that verse was all written by jay. the drake songs are full verses that are pulled from reference tracks. it's different. yall are so biased when it comes to anything related to drake. makes it really hard to listen
Agreed, I thought Music to Be Murdered By was better than some of Em's previous albums. I get that Relapse's not for everyone, but it's one of my favorites.
Nah, were not about to just gloss over Mal saying, Rory's mom should baptize Puff in the shower! LOL! I could tell when he said it, he instantly thought that it was a crazy statement to be making! 9:03
The Diddler did a Damn good Job playing Joker on those Halloween movies trailers he posted on IG. Gotta be in a different mental space to pull that off
Mal shot from half court with that "you're not pro because you're not good" line lmaooo I know a lot of people like to complain about the interactions on the pod, but it's always entertaining and I love the debate it brings up
I just have never seen my boy Mal spiraling like this. And over Drake? Draaaake? Aubrey was and had been my favorite artist since ‘Closer to my dreams’ and even I don’t cape like this. Stop moving the goal post Mal, Drake is a cosplay gangsta - just accept it!
Where Mal messed up is on the Kanye, Fade to Black part. To be clear when Kanye raps a verse he says this, is the verse I want you to do and he spits the verse for Jay that Jay ends up redoing in his voice.
I think this is what happens. Whenever we like someone or don’t want their legacy to be stained, we dismiss their pitfalls/flaws while overflexing their abilities. Which makes sense because that’s what we all do but it’s interesting to see how we end up contradicting ourselves. Yea Kanye has done REFS for Jay. I can see YE doing the beat & hook. Because Kanye is also a producer, he has the creative license to act like a composer does with an orchestra. Saying stuff like “Do it like this” or “I want it this way”.
I don’t know why people have a hard time understanding the similarities are like baseball if you use steroids yes it gives you an advantage, but you still have to be able to hit the ball and have the skills same thing for ghost riding if you use a ghost writer yes it’s an advantage But you still have to be able to make this song that’s why Drake is so great. He’s able to take the words and make it somthing beautiful!
sure, but it isn't his SOUND, which is also something he's gained a rapport 4. sure, A1 delivery which IS a talent, & even writing aside cuz Drake fans knoo he can write & rap, he is still being credited 4 flows THAT R NOT HIS! that's bothers me becuz this is important to HipHop & we're excited every time a new artist comes out with a new FLOW - 1 of the reasons Drake's been on top 4 soo long - & its not even HIS FLOW! 🤦🏾♀️ writing collabs aside, that's what hits home 4 me. & I'll still rock with Drake & bop to the songs, but let's not act like that isn't a problem & a shot every time we hear another reference track.
you guys obviously didn't listen to Kamikaze or Music to be Murdered by..he just didn't rap fast on both those albums . Those albums were really , really good !!! Especially Kamikaze that album was fiiiirrrreeeee!
I respect this pod. I listen to every episode. But this Em conversation is insane. Nobody cares if y'all consider Em a GOAT. GOATs consider Em a GOAT. You can't take that away.
To back Demaris, the most important words of G.O.A.T are the last two. All time. Not an era. Not a moment in time but all of your time, hence greatest of All Time
Drake does write his own stuff at times, its just sometimes people give him demos and stuff that they think he could kill and thats what he goes in and tries to do. Its not rocket science guys and that happens way more in the music industry than a lot of people know. A lot of your favorite artists get demos from other artists that happens! it doesn’t move anyone down a notch lol but watch im gonna get called a rider for this im just simply stating a fact not trying to defend, just wanting to paint a picture
I think the biggest thing is he claimed to write the whole thing and claimed to be the best rapper more often than not in tracks . Im a fan of drake, but y’all killed cole for saying things and then not staying behind it .
I hate when people have an opinion on artists they haven't listened to. Like don't speak on an artist when youve missed their music for the last 3 or 4 years. Your opinion needs an update.
Not really. It can be said Em has been very gimmicky even in his prime. Without Me is a fucking joke but because it’s silly & a funny video, it was allowed.
Rory asking for a Drake cleanse is wild because they Talk about the mf every episode since they were with Joe and the more Julian talks the more I see why Eden gave him the beats.
Bruh if a reference track came out for a Jay-Z song they would lose their mind. There’s a BIG difference from helping someone with a line or two, and giving someone a full song “sample” and you just taking it.
So Jay Z never stole lines from Biggie just asking...🤔
@@lydonaustin8683 you apparently can’t read.
@@lydonaustin8683 shhhhh they will say jayz was paying homage lmao
STILL
We know for a fact that Jay had references from Ye. They was just in person. We see “leaked” references today cuz everyone sending them via the internet instead of traveling to the studio.
Mal: Contrarian, don’t call me that.
Julian: why not?
Mal: bc I’m not a contrarian lmfao
Y’all spending so much time worrying about the “Ghost writing” label more than the fact that Drake isn’t writing a lot of these songs y’all praised him for and call him the best because others can’t make these types of songs. Neither can he 😂
They've never been able to make those types of songs while Drake clearly has 🤭
Any type of having someone write your raps for you automatically disqualifies you from being a great MC, PERIOD! These youngster drake fans aren't really hip-hop heads, they're pop fans. Hip-hop heads don't fw "rappers" who don't even write their raps. That shit is sooooo wack.
All we got is Rory and Demaris.
😂😂😂
Lol.
Sound like a good pod to me, just sayin...
All we got? lol you need somebody to validate your opinions?
Would be the most boring pod ever. You'd just have two people with follower mindsets that are unwilling to challenge the herd mentality.
I never thought I would see the day that Mal turns into a full blown liar
What part ?
@@mannyfresh5051 yeah, i've been hating on Mal for his takes on the beef, but he seemed fair here
Y’all run to the comments to hate mal now. It’s sad. Comment 5h old, video 6h old..
@@OGgluttonoustoad Yeah it was a joke to hate and joke on Mal but people really tryna tear the man down 😂 he just has a opinion on a rapper he’s friends with lmao
Mal literally said drake writes his own raps but we keep getting new reference tracks every other day and it’s word for word what tf did he write
Mal seems like he is checked out or just basically tired of podding. He is a prude
He tired of being wrong but too proud to admit it
Yeah I see what Joe was talking about..he hurting the pod again
What I like about the other pod is that they're not scared to challenge each other's takes and have a proper debate. Not enabling each other. Knowing Julian is gona hate on Em and just allowing it or Mal defending Drake every pod without any real push back and also not being open to others opinions. It's getting too much.
Yeah it’s like they’re scared of getting fired lol
Rory scared to get yelled at . I got no idea why they enable Julian . Mal is Mal . Demaris the only one who challenges & points out flaws
What other pod?
I skipped a couple episodes because I felt the same… I like when they have debates but lately it’s like their scared to step on each others toes/challenge the others point of view.. especially Mal’s and that’s my guy but c’mon man
JBP is the standard
This was a slick attempt by Mal to try and change the narrative
No one is saying Drake doesn't write any of his raps.
People are saying Drake has a lot songs where it was collaborative effort when it came to writing.
Trying to split hairs over the use of the term 'ghost writer' is weak argument, over time and different generations words and phrases adapt and take on different meanings
Additionally Drake insinuated, he wrote Mob Ties on his own, this was clearly not the case.
Majority of rappers collaborate on bars, Drake is one them.
It is OK to say that.
Shut up
It’s like a man that’s been caught cheating on his wife’s multiple times but he’s on Facebook telling his family and friends how faithful he is time and time again but they know the truth
That 2nd statement isn’t true. People are absolutely trying to say that. Your point of view is reasonable, but people on UA-cam, Twitter etc are the ones exaggerating shit
@wait_in_gold_ON_SPOTIFY Mal and yourself are savvy enough to understand when someone says 'Drake doesn't write' they don't mean he literally doesn't write at all.
People have to stop misinterpreting comments in order to paint false narratives
It’s not ok if you in a full blown rap beef where it’s supposed to be personal and you getting help…it’s different and drake don’t get no pass
I get not liking an artist but Julian’s hate for Em is just weird….Julian is literally acting like he stood in the blistering cold for 4 hours and Em said no
Rory is right. Em always has a light hearted mainstream type song as a lead single like "my name is", "without me" etc and then has the better songs on the album. It's not really fair to judge the album based on "houdini" coz he clearly made it for his core fans not for y'all. The music video shows that.
Eminem's fans wanted such record since his prime. If someone wanted something else them he was delusional about what music Em does.
Especially now when everyone wants Eminem to go back to his roots and his style - not this modern stacatto flow and modern overproduced Dre beats which don't mesh at all with Eminems voice.
But Rory is also wrong. Eminem's production fits him best. It's other producers that do these not fitting beats
Hate to break it to you Ems a good technical rapper that raps about nothing...whyte peeps seem not to get this, i get it tho because hip hop like any black creative art was never yours so u dont even understand what it should really look like...go listen to Nas....start with it was written then illmatic..then Stillmatic..then his new stuff....Go listen to 'rewind', I Gave you Power, Undying Love...Em raps very good about nothing...when he does have a subject matter his raps boring basic...Em ran his course we the people bored of that rapping about nothing except trailer trash topics..and wild whyte boy takes
@@clarkkent52You lost all credibility when you said Em raps about nothing. Ever heard White America? 😂
@@clarkkent52 lol I can't take anyone serious when they say he raps about nothing. Til I collapse, sing for the moment, the way I am, when I'm gone, Toy soldiers, Mosh and even newer songs like 25 to life, Evil twin, Castle, Arose, Darkness. Literally are all different story telling songs but y'all wouldnt know that coz you let the internet tell you what to hate instead of actually listening to the music. I do listen to all of the music you mentioned btw, and also I'm not white, I'm south african and Eminem is the biggest artist here. Since y'all like to paint narratives. Go well. 👍🏼
@@mr.simonphoenix7181 Ever heard of Rewind? I gave you power, Patience Nas with Damien Marley...Fetus...Undying Love...what standard you measuring by? Nas set the standard for story telling...even Ghost face and Raekwon better story telling better rappers...bro dont get gassed by the radio telling you to love em...Em is dope but either raps about rapping or just string bazaar wild whyte boy shock takes together...with awful flow...Ems flow like watching peeps with a little rhythm, basic dancers tryna hit that beat..no soul.....Bro even Biggie story telling more interesting...Ems finally gassed himself out and it painful to see your hero get flabby an sick like Larry Holmes
Shout to Peej for the thumbnails. the real MVP.
Nah fr his talent is unmatched
Yo mal took the ovoath ? 😂 this capeing is disturbing and out of character.. gaslight episode for sure
Ovoath 😂
this my first time seeing ovoath.... that's a tough flip
Go to 42:03 and listen to wtf they’re saying. You’re acting like a btch
The conversation about food and men moaning when enjoying food almost had me dead lmfaooo🤣🤣🤣
Mal always being the one to determine what’s gay says a lot….days in the closet are numbered
And he always uses the "f@g" word and constantly calls Julian gay. At least 3 times just this episode. For example 1:59 . Mal is definitely in the closet. Rorys mom was 100% right in her assumptions.
Mal is definitely projecting every time he says Julian is gay.
I have a strong suspicion that Rory loves to argue in his relationships.
I have a strong suspicion that Rory loves to argue in his relationships.
Y’all are wild. The internet is the strangest place. To disagree with someone is one thing, but then to attack that man’s character and call him gay is a different level of weirdo ish.
I’m somebody who gets annoyed with how much they all (especially Mal) try to use pause etc … but for Mal to act like “I can’t wait to find the best eggplant in California” isn’t pause worthy is CRAZY!
Been saying he in the closet
Now Mal is calling Drake a pop star because he has ghost writers .. but before he wasn’t 🤣
"That's not Hip-Hop" is starting to look really ironic...
Julian “it just activated my curls” 🤟🏾🤟🏾🤟🏾
You know what, I’m glad Mal finally stepping into his villain era 😂😂😂 loud n wrong eff it!! Let’s gooooo
@@Aeo-yy5jn 😂😂😂
Rory had extra smoke for the church after the secret baptism lmao
Julians Em hate is weird. Bro fetishizes white women and loves whiteness with every fiber of his body, but he hates Eminem. It's almost like he's annoyed because the people he fetishizes view their own as the best in a black art form.
Lmaooo that was deep. I hate Em because his substance isn't for me.. its actually quite annoying IMO.. he is talented but no way in fuck I'm going to turn on some Em
@@richiestu8223 that's still a weird reason to hate an artist. I haven't liked Em's since the recovery but that doesn't result in hate.
Also, he's an artist. At least he has substance behind his music unlike MFS like Future who just says nonsense.
Bro has the range songs like Mockingbird, Cleaning out my Closet, Toy Soldiers, When I'm Gone that are about his childhood, raising children, and overcoming addiction grief and trauma, while also hanging with Hov and Biggie on lyrical tracks like Dead Wrong and Renegade.
@@richiestu8223No hate, just curious..what is your “substance?”
I can understand not liking the Slim Shady content, but you can’t appreciate a song like Darkness?
@@richiestu8223you hate him just because his substance isn’t for you? Yesssh that’s crazy
He’s racist that’s why
Dam Julian hating on Em hard. He stole his woman or what
He's one of those uppity ass Blacks that think all of Em's content is not relatable. It's funny cause if you know his backstory, he can definitely relate. Just closeted off.😅
I was bouta say lmao he said his bars mean NOTHING like lyrical miracle whatever you call it, Em be nerdy with it it has to mean something
@@mannyfresh5051he acts like Em prime albums were not totally different than his recent output.
@@alus992 I thought music to murdered by the first release was pretty dam good
Eminem sucks
Whoever makes these edits deserves a raise 😂
Shout out Peege if that’s how you spell his name lol
💯
@@mannyfresh5051 I think it’s Peej 😭
@@r.porter1300 😩😩
Eminems last project, "Music to be murdered by," is one of his best projects. And so many of what you asked for is on that album. It's clear y'all haven't listened to his last project, and you should.
Mal is a professional goal post mover.
They're all goal post movers
Mal should put on a big red nose with all his clown behaviour.
That boy mal putting in that OT for OVO🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Stop calling drake the best rapper if everytime its time for some valid criticism you defend him by saying "no thats not fair hes a popstar" if hes a popstar then compare him to dua lipa and justin bieber. He aint nor has he ever been the best RAPPER. mos def was right about that target music shit he said. Drake is #NOTLIKEUS
Ya niggas gotta pull that dick out your mouth
Nigga your are not in this beef lol like you some popping rapper with high morals
What brand of knee pod u got on right now.
W comment
💯 because I swear I heard Mal arguing against Drake being pop before but is quick to now call him a pop star.
MAL d-riding freaky ah drake once again
We all know Julian "came into the game as a writer." He hates Eminem so personally because Eminem actually became a highly successful writer.
Meanwhile the only thing of Julian's that has been read are two Instagram captions by his friends right here on this show.
lmaoo who the fuck was he writing for
Yoo chill LMAOOOOO
“A clash of universes” 🤣🤣🤣
That one is gonna go over everyones head, but this comment is hilarious.
“Louie bags in exchange for bodybags” were literally Vory’s words.. verbatim
Kendrick bout to drop that 5th verse of Meet The Grahams. "Dear JaMal" lmao...... Mal still my 🥷 but i know he just dont wanna back track on his words. He know the Kendrick won that
Dear Jamal 😂
Still moving the goalpost. Now the ghost writing doesn’t count unless it’s a time stamp record 😂. He walks into studios and copies what’s already done
its a conflicting space becuz Drake has toooo many songs to be discredited as a writer; yet, its a dagger every time a new reference track comes out. its not so much that he uses sum1 else collaboratively but finding out it wasn't solely Drake who created the song. does he make it better? definitely. but the fact that its other ppl's SOUNDS is what bothers me. the timestamp records argument is just a way 2 keep Drake's writing ability alive, but based on those, we kno what Drake's flow sounds like. ALL these other flows we thought he was good at utilizing r now being found out to belong 2 others & that's the issues 4 me... in 2024 im not made at swaggy collabs, but dude has hurt my heart using other ppl's flows & calling it his, something he's been accused of outwardly & now these reference tracks prove it smh. i had 2 vent. that is my Ted Talk. lol.
@@jaejae444 Thanks for clarifying. Drake writes even for other artists but he definitely gets help as well.
So it’s like he’s legitimate but not legitimate at the same time. Which is a pattern of a lot of his career.
This is the controversy with Drake.
The type of Eminem album we've wanted for quite some time? Umm Rory, Music to Be Murdered By was THAT album.
Who the fuck would EVER say that Drake raps better than Em 🫨🫨🫨🤮🤮🤮 what fuckin timeline are we living in????????
Saying Em needs a ghostwriter. I nearly threw my phone. 🤣
These deluded people living in their own world. People who make others cringe🤡
2024..
Being musical friends with this group would be awful
He said he’s better than black thought on another episode too smh
That story of Rory’s mom attempting to baptize his daughter was just on this season of Young Sheldon. Either he is lying or mom got the idea from that or parents sneaking to baptize children is a regular occurrence. 😂
Oh trust me 🤣🤣 it happens
Regular occurrence
Debating whether Eminem is GOATed but casually using the word Stan is oxymoronic.
Not really. Stan is about a deranged fan with a screw or two loose.. similar to what people who claim that Em is the g.o.a.t. are. Em wrote a song about his own fanbase. "Come to think about it, his name was-it was you Damn..."
@@kingarthur6173 my point was that casually using the term “Stan” as a noun (not in reference to Eminem or the song) is like using the term “Ether” as a verb, and not crowning Nas or the phrase “bling bling” and not crowning Wayne. It’s become apart of the lexicon.
Only a few can aim to have done it.
@@mxtpmrcs2509 LOL, you youngins.. Nas didnt create being "ethered", Bugs Bunny did.. and "stan" was from a 90's Wayans brothers basketball movie. I'm about the same age as Em and Nas so i got the references right away. You whipper snappers who think he's the goat think everything starts and ends with him. Its cute 🤩
Common once said, "If I don't like it, I don't like it...that don't mean I'm hating"
Is Demaris doing her own makeup? It looks really flawless on camera 😆
“He raps about absolutely nothing in the later half of his career” -Julie
“Darkness”
“Walk on Water”
“Best Friend”
“Stepping Stone”
“Fine line”
“Arose”
“Going through changes”
“Zeus”
“Never love again”
“No regrets”
“Like home”
“Bad Husband”
“Castle”
“Deja Vu”
“Headlights”
I’m all for things being subjective. Just make sure you at least try before talking to just be talking.
He’s trash but you don’t listen to his newer stuff. How would you know that it’s garbage then?
They're all a reflection of what americans are like. They just speak without thinking objectively. They all dickride Jay though
16 songs out of like 15 years is crazy thats one real song every 1 year average.
Most of these songs are NOT memorable. Maybe the content is a lot better than what people give him credit for but we not looking to him for content or maybe his content.
Mal hurt TF out of Julian’s feelings talking about he not good at basketball 😭😭😭
Fr, that part was hate 😂
Julian tryimg to explain what hating is after some of the biggest hate id ever witnessed is hilarious
The bars are the same
"Louis bags in exchange for bodybags" - Vory
"They'll knock you off to pay their tithes" Vory
"It's too late for all that lovey dovey shit that im ya brother shit & all that other shit - Vory
Listen to the music not Mal
Yup, Mal full of shyt! I don't know why he fighting this hard but this ain't Hip Hop and that's why we keep saying he's glazing... The fact that his ass and Ak is on the same side should be an alarm to his child bearing hip ass but.... 😆😆
That’s the hook though ain’t it?
@@BullsNB3 must be the only one that can comprehend then
@@G.O.81nah you and compromised Ak 😂
@@G.O.81there’s no traditional verse on mob ties… the whole song is basically a hook lol
Saying Em would have been underground if he wasnt white is completely stupid. He got discovered and Dre fw him because of his skill and then Dre helped him make bangers that EVERYONE liked.
Rory called King Los “Diddys Disciple” 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Every episode I see more and more why Eddin punched Julian. Get rid of him
No way, that is why he left??
@@WBS2K9 he got fired for beating Julians ass while they was celebrating New Year's
Not all heroes 😂
At this point WE as fans of the podcast CAN’T TAKE MAL SERIOUSLY 🤷🏾♀️
He said Drake raps better than Eminem and even Stevie Wonder knows that’s a LIE 😂🤧
I never took Mal seriously ever since he was on Joe Budden Podcast. The man thought Rick Ross is a better rapper than The Game and he said that he didn’t know Game had multiple flows. Smh.
We need MAL the OVO expert to do a Wah Gwan Delilah review for his boy DRAKE :D
Julian is approaching his final sassy form😂😂
just throwing this out there, I hadn't really watched since shortly after the Budden situation, but lately I've been back onto watching every episode and this is one the few pods i enjoy while going throughout my day. keep it up yall
Rory and Mal's defense of Drake mirrors the fervor with which Fox News defends Trump.
Bars
Julian and Demaris be working overtime to make Mal pivot on his stance on the beef.
Mal, you’re losing credibility brotha. You’re loyal, we get it. But cmon son, Mob Ties is a TERRIBLE LOOK. No REAL MC is gonna Jack somebody’s entire song like that. This ain’t the hill to stand on.
Lol imagine rushing to podcast as it’s premiering to type that you dislike it
He a fan
@@briccs3830 huh?
They talk about a bunch of topics on this show but y’all Kendrick nut huggers only care about Kendrick
@@briccs3830 Yo, if that's what you got from what he said... Lmfao 🤣
The meat eater brigade is on the rise. 😂
You fraggles hate watching something at 8am on a Saturday AS IT PREMIERES and leaving comments yearning for strange men to agree with you is wild, go brush your teeth
Mal is doing a master class in finding new, creative ways to glaze Drake
its dumb to compare the drake reference tracks to lucifer by jay-z... yes kanye gave him the "murder capital" hook, but the rest of that verse was all written by jay. the drake songs are full verses that are pulled from reference tracks. it's different. yall are so biased when it comes to anything related to drake. makes it really hard to listen
Nigga stop lying he never took any verse from them reference tracks except ratchet happy birthday you nigga be adult dickriders shit nuts
Theres no way theyve heard Ems last few albums
Agreed, I thought Music to Be Murdered By was better than some of Em's previous albums. I get that Relapse's not for everyone, but it's one of my favorites.
A cornball like Julian calling Eminem corny is hilarious 😂
Takes one to know one 😂
Nah, were not about to just gloss over Mal saying, Rory's mom should baptize Puff in the shower! LOL! I could tell when he said it, he instantly thought that it was a crazy statement to be making! 9:03
1:58:10 Rory killed her with that question 😂😂😂
Demaris gone hate that feature request to Meg
The Diddler did a Damn good Job playing Joker on those Halloween movies trailers he posted on IG. Gotta be in a different mental space to pull that off
Nigga be high as a mfer in the the streets causin havoc 😂
Nobody said Drake didn't write "any" of his raps. He just writes less than he has admitted.
Rory putting Drake in a class with jay z and nas is crazy
That’s what I’m saying. He surpassed them at least 5 years ago.
@@whateverman23 cool story bro
@@whateverman23Not in hip-hop
Very
EGREGIOUS
Mal gonna be Trump’s conjugal visit 😂
Every voice sound the same on the voicemails 😂
They all glazing Drake and tryna wash it down with Eminem hate lol
Who else heard that Mood Advertisement and said to themselves Mal don’t workout 😂
I skip tf out the ads. They random and ruin the pod
Mr. Softee and Jack & Jill have been staple Ice-Cream trucks in Philly my entire life. Mal was wrong they are not just NY city.
“85% of his career has been dog shit” -Julie
Lol 😂
Mal shot from half court with that "you're not pro because you're not good" line lmaooo
I know a lot of people like to complain about the interactions on the pod, but it's always entertaining and I love the debate it brings up
I just have never seen my boy Mal spiraling like this. And over Drake? Draaaake? Aubrey was and had been my favorite artist since ‘Closer to my dreams’ and even I don’t cape like this. Stop moving the goal post Mal, Drake is a cosplay gangsta - just accept it!
Where Mal messed up is on the Kanye, Fade to Black part. To be clear when Kanye raps a verse he says this, is the verse I want you to do and he spits the verse for Jay that Jay ends up redoing in his voice.
I think this is what happens. Whenever we like someone or don’t want their legacy to be stained, we dismiss their pitfalls/flaws while overflexing their abilities.
Which makes sense because that’s what we all do but it’s interesting to see how we end up contradicting ourselves.
Yea Kanye has done REFS for Jay.
I can see YE doing the beat & hook. Because Kanye is also a producer, he has the creative license to act like a composer does with an orchestra.
Saying stuff like “Do it like this” or “I want it this way”.
They gonna do time stamps for their episodes lol
I don’t know why people have a hard time understanding the similarities are like baseball if you use steroids yes it gives you an advantage, but you still have to be able to hit the ball and have the skills same thing for ghost riding if you use a ghost writer yes it’s an advantage But you still have to be able to make this song that’s why Drake is so great. He’s able to take the words and make it somthing beautiful!
sure, but it isn't his SOUND, which is also something he's gained a rapport 4. sure, A1 delivery which IS a talent, & even writing aside cuz Drake fans knoo he can write & rap, he is still being credited 4 flows THAT R NOT HIS! that's bothers me becuz this is important to HipHop & we're excited every time a new artist comes out with a new FLOW - 1 of the reasons Drake's been on top 4 soo long - & its not even HIS FLOW! 🤦🏾♀️ writing collabs aside, that's what hits home 4 me. & I'll still rock with Drake & bop to the songs, but let's not act like that isn't a problem & a shot every time we hear another reference track.
Do anybody ever notice how Rory talks over people with this excitement and ADHD closure? U ever notice how he do that every time anybody talks ever?
Why yall hate Julian so much?? I love his humor 😂
See y’all in 11 hours…..
1:56 as someone whose had a few casts, I’ll say…you’d probably have a hard time cutting your dinner up with that saw man lmaoooo
What’s the difference between referencing timestamps or other albums? Face it he’s a talented fraud.
you guys obviously didn't listen to Kamikaze or Music to be Murdered by..he just didn't rap fast on both those albums . Those albums were really , really good !!! Especially Kamikaze that album was fiiiirrrreeeee!
I respect this pod. I listen to every episode. But this Em conversation is insane. Nobody cares if y'all consider Em a GOAT. GOATs consider Em a GOAT. You can't take that away.
Not gonna keep Mal honest huh? Let Mal two step around the facts? C’mon Roars. You’re better than that
I hope whoever makes the thumbnails got the raise we requested
To back Demaris, the most important words of G.O.A.T are the last two. All time. Not an era. Not a moment in time but all of your time, hence greatest of All Time
Baby D is the G.O.A.T.!!
Drake does write his own stuff at times, its just sometimes people give him demos and stuff that they think he could kill and thats what he goes in and tries to do. Its not rocket science guys and that happens way more in the music industry than a lot of people know. A lot of your favorite artists get demos from other artists that happens! it doesn’t move anyone down a notch lol but watch im gonna get called a rider for this im just simply stating a fact not trying to defend, just wanting to paint a picture
If people have an opportunity to hate they’re gonna drag it for as long as they can
I like how she rolls her eyes at people voicing their opinions on music, but for some reason thinks her opinions are valid. lmao
I think the biggest thing is he claimed to write the whole thing and claimed to be the best rapper more often than not in tracks . Im a fan of drake, but y’all killed cole for saying things and then not staying behind it .
Hey Mal, QM wrote Drake’s raps on “Rico”.
I hate when people have an opinion on artists they haven't listened to. Like don't speak on an artist when youve missed their music for the last 3 or 4 years. Your opinion needs an update.
Mal need an intervention.
If Ja Rule had Mal ride for him back in '02, he'd still be making hits.
I'm from Jacksonville FL and we definitely have Mr softee down here
Did she just call Eminem a gimmick? That’s loopy
Not really. It can be said Em has been very gimmicky even in his prime.
Without Me is a fucking joke but because it’s silly & a funny video, it was allowed.
By 1:11:30 when you start talking about the STANS.. That's how you inow Em is a 🐐
Em single was fire
Rory asking for a Drake cleanse is wild because they Talk about the mf every episode since they were with Joe and the more Julian talks the more I see why Eden gave him the beats.
I agree with not liking ems new music and he’s not my goat but to debate if he’s A goat is nasty work
So we just gonna casually forget about the impact from New York when 6ix9ine had Gummo
Not the biggest Eminem fan here, but Julian's Em hate is starting to irrate me. That says a lot....
NAH FR💯I was about to comment the same thing😅
Demiris & Julian were nails on a chalkboard this episode 🤣