Roland ED SC-8850: The First USB Synth! - Sound Profile

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  • Опубліковано 20 гру 2024

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  • @SpeedySPCFan
    @SpeedySPCFan  6 років тому +14

    Two things to clarify:
    1: In the video, I specified the Cutoff/Resonance filters were bad, but I intended to say the filter system as a whole was buggered up - the example I showed of the sax was actually the result of the Attack/Release envelopes being interpreted very, very wrong.
    2: Thanks to Technomancer00 for pointing this out: you CAN save data after power off... through a very specific and clumsy procedure. Go to the UTIL mode, set "Startup" to "User" and the 8850 will reboot with the last *flashed* user settings. To flash them, press both PART buttons at the same time, then EDIT, then press F2 to go to WRITE, then press ENTER to write. So yeah, definitely not 88 Pro level of convenience, but the feature exists.

    • @rdoursenaud
      @rdoursenaud 7 місяців тому +1

      The good part of the flash memory if it is anything like my XV-5050 is that it doesn't require any battery backup. No leaks!

  • @MasterJace
    @MasterJace 6 років тому +13

    i had to pause at 13:26 and i liked the song so much I got mad because i remember going through your catalog and i didn't remember seeing this song, but I see the new EP now! this is a great video, cant really say how much I appreciate you doing stuff like this.

  • @BreakAndRestore
    @BreakAndRestore 3 роки тому +2

    Excellent review. I bought on new in 2000 and sold it in 2005. 16 years later I missed it so much I just bought it again.

  • @paulthewhite
    @paulthewhite 6 років тому +2

    Thanks so much for making this. I'd had many questions which were answered here. I got my first sound canvas last week, the 88pro, thanks in part to your other vids. It's killer.

  • @emmarossignol4445
    @emmarossignol4445 3 роки тому +3

    I fell in love with Corridors Of Time from Chrono Trigger because of this video. I've never played the game and this video introduced me to the song specifically.

  • @XavierRadix
    @XavierRadix 6 років тому +4

    Yet another enjoyable video to watch! Very informative and fun to watch. Your presentation level is right up there with LGR and 8-bit Guy/Keys my friend.
    All I can say is, you have my respect! Already can not wait for the next video :).

  • @MichaelSouhoka
    @MichaelSouhoka 2 роки тому +3

    I thought the SC-88 Pro was the monster of the SC series, but thanks to Roland 50th Anniversary page, it brought me here.

  • @josephcreer883
    @josephcreer883 2 роки тому +1

    Awesome videos. thanks for the info on all the gear

  • @YuutaTogashi0707
    @YuutaTogashi0707 Рік тому

    9:08 Nomico only sings that version of bad apple, the animation is by anira (written in hiragana)

  • @antonionii
    @antonionii Рік тому +2

    Do you have to have drivers and use the USB port to use this as midi out for another synth? Outstanding video!

  • @brianbanks8570
    @brianbanks8570 11 місяців тому +2

    I have a terrible usb hum on this device. Any ideas on how to get rid of this ground loop cheaply? I've dealt with this usb ground loop for years!

    • @rdoursenaud
      @rdoursenaud 7 місяців тому +1

      Try a USB isolator. I've had success with the Adafruit ones.

    • @brianbanks8570
      @brianbanks8570 7 місяців тому +2

      @@rdoursenaudthanks so much!! I was just looking at my Roland as you were sending this!! Coincidentally!

    • @rdoursenaud
      @rdoursenaud 7 місяців тому +1

      @@brianbanks8570 Meeting of the minds :) Hope it helps you fix it. USB ground loops can be agonizing. Another great tool against ground loops I can vouch for is the Radial SB-6. Not in the same price bracket though.

    • @brianbanks8570
      @brianbanks8570 7 місяців тому

      Did you install it on the board itself or is it usb plug and play dongle? Thanks

    • @rdoursenaud
      @rdoursenaud 7 місяців тому +2

      @@brianbanks8570 I didn't specifically test with this device as I don't own one (yet) but I've successfully solved USB ground loops and other weird USB related noise issues with a multitude of devices that way. Just plug the isolator between your device and the computer. You will need to provide the additional micro-USB-to-USB cable between the isolator and computer. If it works and you want to make it a permanent solution, you may be able to embed it in the device, depending on your electronics/mechanical skills. If you're not comfortable, just keep the board outside, wrap it in something (I like to use shrink wrap tubing) to avoid accidental shorts and call it a day!

  • @harney-barrow2036
    @harney-barrow2036 6 років тому +2

    great vid dude! p. much most of what i posted in the last sound profile still applies, but it's still a solid watch nonetheless.

  • @jammingcats
    @jammingcats 4 роки тому +1

    I Own this "Little Beast" along with other more Modern sound Modules.... I am using Linux and had absolutely no problems in setting up the Unit... Plugged it in in a USB port and.... "Tada!".... Linux recognized The SC-8850 right away without installing a driver for it! Works very good with all the 64 parts usable with Linux software.... Some of the sounds are dated, but can be edited and also sounds pretty good in the Mix with all my other Sound Modules!

  • @nneeerrrd
    @nneeerrrd 5 років тому +1

    Happy New Year, Speedy! 🎆🎄🎅🦌

  • @LittleRichard1988
    @LittleRichard1988 2 роки тому

    I have just bought a Roland SC-8850 and it arrived today, for quite a few years I was unsure about buying one and previously didn't like it as much as the SC-88 and
    88 Pro but after having Sound Canvas VA on my old computer I decided I would prefer a hardware module. So far I have used it to render some Christmas
    midi files using the Native SC-8850 map and GS variation although the SC-8850 trumpet didn't sound right with midi files but it was fine when I used the SC-88 Pro
    map trumpet. Some sounds like the steel guitar sound brighter and more crisp on the SC-8850 and I think the SC-8850 might be better for more serious production or
    use with VST instruments compared to the Burr Brown DAC used on the SC-88 Pro although I prefer some of the SC-88 Pro's instruments over the 8850's new instruments
    like the music box, clarinet and pianos.
    In the UK the SC-8850 and SC-8820 seemed more common in schools and colleges rather than even home studio users, I can understand why the SC-88 Pro was more common
    in music production and maybe that's why I sort of prefer the SC-88 Pro more. I'm still going to use my SC-88 Pro if I want to use SC-88 and SC-88 Pro sounds and don't want to
    use any of the new SC-8850 sounds but the SC-8850 does sound extreamly close to the SC-88 Pro with it's SC-88 Pro map.
    I think I was right to put off buying an SC-8850 until now but the SC-8850 is way better than Sound Canvas VA and the SC-8850 is of course better than the SC-8820 and
    it's 2 other models although most of the instrument sounds are the same as the SC-88 Pro, I did consider the SC-D70 as it at least has buttons to change to instruments
    and the variations but I now have an SC-8850 I'm not going to bother with any of the SC-8820 models as I had the SC-8820 sounds with Sound Canvas VA. It's fair to say
    I mainly wanted the SC-8850 for it's drum kits and sound effects that the SC-88 Pro doesn't have like wine glass and bottle sound effects and I do also like the scatt voices
    as well as the cup mute trumpet. I didn't mind paying £248 for an SC-8850 especially considering I was willing to spend £400 on other gear like my Roland R-8 drum machine.

  • @Choops6969
    @Choops6969 Рік тому +1

    the link to the midi movie player appears to be down. are there other programs that can do similar things? id really be interested in incorporating this into my streams.

    • @spacefanatic6458
      @spacefanatic6458 Місяць тому

      The files from the repository were saved on Software Heritage. If you save those files, you can run MIDI Movie Player locally on your computer.

  • @ベンゲルのカナズミトム
    @ベンゲルのカナズミトム 6 років тому +4

    In some MIDI files( mostly from the MIDI Collections and atleast one from Ys II Eternal) that Falcom released the drums are broken because the MIDI file changes the Drum Rx Part from A10 to B10 which causes that the drums aren't played. Do you know how to fix that? I'd appreciate it if you could help me.

    • @SpeedySPCFan
      @SpeedySPCFan  6 років тому +1

      Which tracks do this? I've listened to a bunch and never had that issue... anyways, assuming the track is 16-channel and not 32-channel (in which case you need to get another MIDI interface to use Part A and Part B simultaneously), you can safely change the drums from B10 to A10 using SysEx. Try putting these at the end of the SysEx commands in the MIDI.
      F0 41 10 42 12 00 01 00 00 7F F7
      F0 41 10 42 12 40 10 02 09 25 F7

    • @ベンゲルのカナズミトム
      @ベンゲルのカナズミトム 6 років тому +1

      Two examples of this error can be found in the GS arrangement of Blue Dragon(SC0102.mid) from Sorcerian MIDI Collection and the SC-88Pro arrangement of Stay with me Forever(24YS207P.mid). In both MIDI files the channel 10's MIDI Rx channel is set to B10 which recieves no MIDI messages when the MIDI cable is plugged into Port IN 1. Until now I fixed the problem by using the IN 2 Port of the SC-8850 which sends MIDI data to the Part B of the SC-8850. This strangely causes the drums to be played twice. This problem was fixed by muting the Part B10. So this MIDI files are now played correctly but its pretty inconvenient and not really a solution as I still can't use Part A and MIDI files that require to be played in Part A(for example gloria88.mid) are now played incorrect. As I'm bad at MIDI programming and don't really want to edit original MIDI data by Falcom I need an alternative to your suggested solution. I hope there is one.

    • @SpeedySPCFan
      @SpeedySPCFan  6 років тому +1

      @@ベンゲルのカナズミトム I can't really help you beyond telling you what to fix. You need to edit the files yourself.

    • @ベンゲルのカナズミトム
      @ベンゲルのカナズミトム 6 років тому +1

      In that case it's easier to playback this and other files on the SC-88Pro which I also own.

  • @arseniyyashkin743
    @arseniyyashkin743 3 роки тому

    If lucky, I would use the SC 8850 as a synthesizer, which I used via a MIDI keyboard via USB OTG to USB MIDI adapters. And used as an instrumental station, recording in Magix Music Maker. If you can, of course.

  • @OnBP
    @OnBP 2 роки тому

    great video! i was wondering how you managed to program change between patches like you did at 14:47? Im using the Program Change command alongside CC00 in the MIDI editor of Logic Pro 9, and every time i try to initiate a change of patch theres a little pop up on the sound canvas screen that says "No Instrument". I cannot seem to figure this out, and the manual says im trying to access instruments that the module does not have, but even following the instruments list to a tee its still not working. Is there anyway to fix this?

  • @isedagd
    @isedagd Рік тому +1

    Hi hopefully you see this speedy. Thank you for the great video. I'm curious, does the 8850 have all of the sounds/patches from the 88pro plus more? Or are they all mostly different?

    • @spacefanatic6458
      @spacefanatic6458 Місяць тому

      Yes, the 88pro map gives you access to all the sounds from that synth. The 8850 uses mostly the same sounds in terms of capital tones but there are some new ones as well.

  • @pikaporeon
    @pikaporeon 2 роки тому +1

    i saw the wallpaper on that mac and i subbed

  • @meriamfajardo3911
    @meriamfajardo3911 2 роки тому

    Id lost the connector wire can i see the coonector wire what is the look of wire connector pls.

  • @machiwoomiapoo
    @machiwoomiapoo 6 років тому +1

    Excellent video! :)

    • @SpeedySPCFan
      @SpeedySPCFan  6 років тому +1

      Thank you! I just started work on a new one, hopefully it's just as good :)

  • @boriscat1999
    @boriscat1999 3 роки тому

    I noticed on a forum that the USB problem is a Windows quirk. Apparently it works on Linux without any special drivers. Linux seems to detect it as USB MIDI Class compliant and runs just the generic plain old MIDI on it. neat!

    • @rdoursenaud
      @rdoursenaud 7 місяців тому +1

      Linux has quirks built-in. I've contributed a few. The solution for windows these days seems to be forcing the A-800PRO driver which has been updated. It works with my XV-5050 which is more or less from the same era.

  • @hereisacomment4u
    @hereisacomment4u 5 років тому

    Holy moly ‘cheer up’ is a dope track. Rei harakami would approve.

  • @GameRelated
    @GameRelated 2 місяці тому

    Awesome video - I'm about to purchase one do you know if the voltage can be changed to 230v I live in Australia which PAL country? Thanks

  • @LittleRichard1988
    @LittleRichard1988 4 роки тому

    I'm thinking of possibly getting an SC-8850 even though I have Sound Canvas VA but if my computer crashed I might not be able to get SCVA back especially as SCVA is now Cloud only. I don't think there are any sounds on the SC-8850 that are terrible or unusable, I think most of the 8850's updated instruments are a vast improvement especially the string sounds whereas most of the 8820's capital gm sounds are SC-88 Pro samples.

  • @workingorder2189
    @workingorder2189 Рік тому

    Does anyone have a back up to MIDI Movie Player. The link is dead now. It would be great if it was uploaded to the internet archive.

    • @spacefanatic6458
      @spacefanatic6458 Місяць тому +1

      The files from the repository were saved on Software Heritage. If you save those files, you can run MIDI Movie Player locally on your computer.

  • @Wizil808
    @Wizil808 2 роки тому

    Speedy (im a huge fan of these sound profile episodes)- do you know if the transformer on the sc 8850 is easily reconfigured to work on 120V. the SC-88 Pro I bought was set up for 100V but the transformer inside just needed to be resoldered to work on 120V (which i was able to take care of). I could not tell for sure on this one but it looks like this may be different than the 88 pro. I'd like to know how easy it is to reconfigure or is an external transformer required

    • @SpeedySPCFan
      @SpeedySPCFan  2 роки тому +2

      The SC-8850 will adjust to whatever voltage it's fed, so you could buy a European model and it'll work without any issue in the US for instance.

    • @OhxxxGimmeMyxxxName
      @OhxxxGimmeMyxxxName Рік тому

      ​@@SpeedySPCFanhi! do you know where i can find official Info on the voltage Situation? I bought one from Japan (100v) and i live in Europe (230v) so I really want to avoid taking a risk.....

  • @Spiegelgeist
    @Spiegelgeist 6 років тому +2

    Awesome Video! Wish I could get my 8850 to work with my windows 10 system, lol.

    • @rdoursenaud
      @rdoursenaud 7 місяців тому +1

      You may be able by forcing the install of the A-800PRO driver which has been updated. It works for the XV-5050.

    • @Spiegelgeist
      @Spiegelgeist 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@rdoursenaud Thanks for the heads up, I'll check it out and see if it works, and if so, let you know. I hope you and your loved ones are having, and continue to have a fun, happy, healthy, and safe 2024! :)

    • @Spiegelgeist
      @Spiegelgeist 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@rdoursenaud Where can I find the a-880 driver? Apologies for asking, just want to make sure I'm downloading the proper thing. Once again, hope you and your loved ones are having, and continue to have, a fun, happy, healthy, and safe 2024! :)

    • @rdoursenaud
      @rdoursenaud 7 місяців тому

      @@Spiegelgeist Sorry, I was working from memory and gave the wrong model. After checking my notes it's the A-800PRO!

    • @Spiegelgeist
      @Spiegelgeist 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@rdoursenaud Ty for the update. Found the driver on Roland's website, will report back if it works. Thanks again for everything. Once again, hope you and your loved ones are having, and continue to have a fun, happy, healthy, and safe 2024.

  • @davshan8482
    @davshan8482 Рік тому +2

    SC8850 does not sound as good as SC88Pro, because it uses switching power supply, not linear power supply.

  • @Tore299
    @Tore299 5 років тому

    On my SC-8820 installing the Vista USB drivers on Win10 was as easy as right clicking on the correct inf file and clicking install.

  • @astrazenica7783
    @astrazenica7783 4 роки тому

    I think it has great sound

  • @ssmusic214
    @ssmusic214 5 років тому

    Please HELP!
    I've been been using SC-8850 for many years with Win7 running Win Vista drivers that require some special procedure to install them.
    Had to reinstall Win7 but completely forgot the procedure.
    Thanks in advance,,,,,

    • @SpeedySPCFan
      @SpeedySPCFan  5 років тому

      I mention it around 7:00 in the video, but here's the two methods for making it work:
      Method A:
      Set the drivers to Windows Vista compatibility mode and install them. This may fail, if it does...
      Method B:
      Plug your SC-8850 in and keep it in until it fails to work. Windows should tell you it's an unknown device or something.
      Go to Device Manager and look for "Other devices" then right click on "Unknown device" and go to the "Driver" tab. Click "Update Driver..." then "Browse my computer for driver software."
      Now, it will ask you for a directory. Give it the directory of where you put your SC-8850 Driver installer, then keep continuing on with the installation until it asks if you want to install the device software. Press "Install" and you should have a working SC-8850 over USB!

    • @ssmusic214
      @ssmusic214 5 років тому

      @@SpeedySPCFan
      None of that worked.
      But thanks anyway.
      However I did find reliable way:
      1. Disable UAC (User account control).
      2. set all the driver files in Vista compatibility mode (don''t forget "for all users).
      3. Unplug USB devices.
      4. Install the drivers by clicking on driver files.
      DONE.!

    • @brianbanks8570
      @brianbanks8570 11 місяців тому

      do you still have the vista drivers? Can't download them on Roland site anymore. Thanks
      @@ssmusic214

  • @MrZerolix
    @MrZerolix 4 роки тому

    Hey speedy you inspired me to grab one of these. You seem very knowledge so I'll ask you as I couldn't see it in the manual. I'm on mac and suprise the drivers don't work so I'm running the 8850 to a midi interface and I've ordered a pair of those rca to jack cables to record the audio. My question is does this record at 44 or 48hz and is that changable within the settings?
    And out of curiosity how do you record your SC's? Sorry for the long question. But fantastic content, I'm hooked. All the best, Jim.

    • @SpeedySPCFan
      @SpeedySPCFan  4 роки тому

      You don't have to worry about sample rate with this since that's an analog output - it's basically irrelevant. I would recommend getting a USB audio interface of some kind like a Behringer UCA202/222 since the recording quality from a jack on your computer will be... not amazing? But again, no worries about sample rate there - sample rate is only relevant for digital output like an optical audio output.
      I record my SCs like all of my synths, using an audio interface~! I used to use a Behringer UMC202HD but have since moved to a PreSonus Studio 1810.

    • @MrZerolix
      @MrZerolix 4 роки тому

      @@SpeedySPCFan hey thanks so much for the reply. I do own a uad thunderbolt audio interface. Do you mean go from the rca to jack into the interface? Would that be the best way to record?

    • @SpeedySPCFan
      @SpeedySPCFan  4 роки тому

      @@MrZerolix Yep, that would be the best! You'll want a cable with two RCA leads on one end and two 1/4 leads on the other, so you get stereo audio.

    • @MrZerolix
      @MrZerolix 4 роки тому

      @@SpeedySPCFan ah brilliant! Thank you for clearing that up. I'm looking forward to your future content! Take care man.

  • @alicito7047
    @alicito7047 2 роки тому

    Thank you very much for this very instructive video. I am considering to have one... I would be very grateful if you can explain to me, if you can change the instruments while playing a MIDI song 😊

  • @1TZAH
    @1TZAH 4 роки тому

    Thanks bro, i bought a sd-90 for the touhou instruments, and i'm happy, i'm looking for my second sound module and looking for something similar. Does the sd-90 and sc8850 share almost the same instruments/patches library? or they are and sound different? Also i wonder if you have a sd90, as i see that you like touhou too :P Also i wonder if i can use the MIDI Movie Player tool in my sd90? i downloaded it and clicket the index, i selected my sd90 but noting happen, what are the steps to make this work? thanks!

    • @SpeedySPCFan
      @SpeedySPCFan  4 роки тому

      There's similar patches but they are generally pretty different in terms of sounds and features. And I do indeed have an SD-90! Currently working on a video of it.
      I think you can use it for the SD-90, but I haven't used the player in a long while so I can't give much advice, sorry... I'll write back if I ever figure out how to make it work.

  • @Pimpeaux
    @Pimpeaux 6 років тому

    nice triple upload

  • @hanafikamarudin1755
    @hanafikamarudin1755 5 років тому

    How to get sc8850 driver for windows 7

    • @SpeedySPCFan
      @SpeedySPCFan  5 років тому

      www.roland.com/global/support/archives/archive_downloads_n-s/
      Scroll down until you find the SC-8850 - the driver you want to install is "Roland SC-8850 Driver Ver.1.0.0 for Windows Vista 64-bit Edition" - despite what the name claims, this driver works on Windows 7, 8, and 10 too.

    • @MrBlurpBlurp-hg3dj
      @MrBlurpBlurp-hg3dj 3 роки тому

      @@SpeedySPCFan I have problems trying to install the driver on my Win 7 32 bit. It's not able to detect

  • @SonictrainkidDoesFurryStuff
    @SonictrainkidDoesFurryStuff 10 днів тому

    9:08 Bad Apple lol

  • @adenowirus
    @adenowirus 6 років тому +2

    Playing Marathon with a mouse I see.

    • @SpeedySPCFan
      @SpeedySPCFan  6 років тому +1

      You saying people play it with a keyboard? :P

    • @adenowirus
      @adenowirus 6 років тому

      @@SpeedySPCFan I'm most comfortable with using numeric keypad for movement. Which is a control scheme I use exclusively for Marathon series, Damage Incorporated and that one time when I tried ZPC, but couldn't get the cutscenes to play.

    • @SpeedySPCFan
      @SpeedySPCFan  6 років тому +1

      @@adenowirus Huh, interesting. I've never tried that control scheme with something like Marathon, though I had a similar one for Descent which is WASD to move and keypad to look, mostly cause the mouse look in that game always felt like crap to me.

    • @adenowirus
      @adenowirus 6 років тому

      @@SpeedySPCFan Don't the default controls use the keypad also? I think I only moved everything down one key, so I could use 8 and 0 for looking up and down.
      Now I wonder how you play that Terminal Velocity.

    • @SpeedySPCFan
      @SpeedySPCFan  6 років тому

      @@adenowirus The default controls for Marathon might've been setup for that, I'm not sure since I always change them.
      I was either too lazy to rebind controls in TV or the setup program was a pain to work with, so I just stuck with the defaults.

  • @EgoShredder
    @EgoShredder 3 роки тому +1

    Nice video although you are allowed to leave a gap between sentences and talk at fewer words per minute lol.