Great drill! My 10u is getting 9-11g and 50-52mph bat speed in game swings. Our goal is 13g and 60mph before we go to 12u in the fall. We have to get in your program this summer.
@@chetwomach we just tried this drill tonight. We alternated 2 of this and 2 regular swings for about 4 rounds before we had to go to team BP for Little League. In BP she got up to 13.1g! I was shocked when I downloaded the data. We need a new goal now for fall 12u. In the game she only got 1 pitch to hit and stroked it in the gap, only 9.7g and 49.4mph. They pitch around her mostly in this league.
Blending 2 swings with the drill and then 2 regular swings is one of my favorite strategies for helping kids transfer the feel of a drill to their game swing. Sounds like you're on the right track with her development :-)
Dude!! I played baseball in college and I was a mssive hip shoulder separation guy. I also worked very closely with blast motion for a couple of those years as well and still train with it. I want to first say that yes, this method of teaching your hitters how to hit will in fact help them hit the ball farther. It makes logical sense and in practice it will get the physical results. Right of the bat I must say that no one who is a great hitter consciously is thinking hip shoulder separation. you will see different level of it due to different levels of slack in the fascia that need to be removed. Evenstill, there are many serious problems with this method of teaching hips first. One is that when they are thinking pull the trigger and that is synonymous with hips first they will be slower to the ball (but this isn't the worst of it). Also, the power derived from this form of hip shoulder separation is only maximized if the barrel "wins the race." In other words, the barrel has to be out front and "released" when making contact with the ball. You have to proverbially crack the whip. If the whip isn't cracked you haven't used all the energy you have just created. The third part is that forcing onself into end ranges with this type of force will hurt them (not guaranteed obviously but for some people). Often times players will have problems with their L5 and lower back from constant and excessive strain. I pose this question to you: if you were to rotate and pull a cable machine loaded with 200lbs you could try and connect and fuse your body to get it into the strongest position. If you were to try and first rotate your hips, then your torso, and then your hands (you'd probably look silly) you'd get stuck. This same concept applies to hitting. What you are teaching is disconnection. This form of disconnection does in tfact do what you promised (when you make contact) but it doesn't "play." I has had the worst two seasons of my life thinking this way but when I made solid contact I hit bombs (only made solid contact a hand full of times). My alternative way of teaching hip shoulder separation is the counter move into launch. A key feature of all great swings (Trout, Acuña,... you name it) is landing with a neutral pelvis in what the old school way of teaching would call a balanced position. From here the swing is done top down and the barrel should win the race. The best hitters don't think about thtier lower half. I'll end this rant with Mookie Betts as an example. People always see the way he he lands as say that he gets is power from his separation. MOOKIE TRIES TO STAY CLOSED! I promise you, I have message with one of his hitting coaches.
So a couple things... 1. It's hard to make one video on youtube that covers everything about hitting, and address all your points. 2. You bring up great points that if we were discussing this in person I bet we would agree on. 3. I agree that good hitters often agree that they need to focus on their hands first. But, when you look at them kinematically, they do fire their hips first. 4. I think different styles of hitters and movers, do the hips first movement differently. Trout is a more stiff mover and you don't see as much hip shoulder separation, but Mookie get's LOTS of hit shoulder separation. Si they are hips first even if they aren't thinking about it. 5. I think you get around the injury issue by taking volume into consideration. Nobody would argue that plyometrics don't help runners, but doing plyometrics 3x a day would cause injuries so i think this is a volume play. (but this video is geared towards youth when I made it. 6. I think we should analyze an athlete to first find how they are moving correctly before prescribing any drill. We need to look at what they do well and what they don't and take a wholistic look. Doing one drill for everybody. Lastly, I loved your comment, truthfully! So many people just come on and bash other people versus have a discussion. You brought up a lot of points people should be asking.
So we started as a local training facility, and are just starting to offer remote training stuff folks outside the area to share what's working with more folks, so my site isn't quite built up for that just yet. But you can buy our program where you can send in video where we can assess your athlete's swing and design a training program for them here: www.centraliabaseballacademy.com/tips (and as you're going through the checkout process, we give you options to add a bat sensor if you'd like)
Too much hip . . . . . gonna' lead to weak opposite side pop-ups and grounders. I prefer my hitters to nearly simultaneously initiate swing, but, always hands first. Just my theory.
So if we're talking about how to not hit weak opposite side pop ups, I think if they can keep their shoulder closed while their hips are opening they can fix that problem. That's why I like this drill, as it works on trying to make the hands stay back AS the hips fire to fix those weak oppo hits you're concerned about.
I would put loading in a different category personally. For me Loading happens in the 'gather' phase of the swing and before you stride forward. Still important, but the way I talk about it we do different loading movements in the 'gather' phase than we do in the stride phase (which this drill is more about the stride phase and 'launch' phase of the swing. At least for how I like to talk about it.
Great drill! My 10u is getting 9-11g and 50-52mph bat speed in game swings. Our goal is 13g and 60mph before we go to 12u in the fall. We have to get in your program this summer.
Love it! It's my favorite stat for sure.
@@chetwomach we just tried this drill tonight. We alternated 2 of this and 2 regular swings for about 4 rounds before we had to go to team BP for Little League. In BP she got up to 13.1g! I was shocked when I downloaded the data. We need a new goal now for fall 12u.
In the game she only got 1 pitch to hit and stroked it in the gap, only 9.7g and 49.4mph. They pitch around her mostly in this league.
Blending 2 swings with the drill and then 2 regular swings is one of my favorite strategies for helping kids transfer the feel of a drill to their game swing. Sounds like you're on the right track with her development :-)
Dude!! I played baseball in college and I was a mssive hip shoulder separation guy. I also worked very closely with blast motion for a couple of those years as well and still train with it. I want to first say that yes, this method of teaching your hitters how to hit will in fact help them hit the ball farther. It makes logical sense and in practice it will get the physical results. Right of the bat I must say that no one who is a great hitter consciously is thinking hip shoulder separation. you will see different level of it due to different levels of slack in the fascia that need to be removed. Evenstill, there are many serious problems with this method of teaching hips first. One is that when they are thinking pull the trigger and that is synonymous with hips first they will be slower to the ball (but this isn't the worst of it). Also, the power derived from this form of hip shoulder separation is only maximized if the barrel "wins the race." In other words, the barrel has to be out front and "released" when making contact with the ball. You have to proverbially crack the whip. If the whip isn't cracked you haven't used all the energy you have just created. The third part is that forcing onself into end ranges with this type of force will hurt them (not guaranteed obviously but for some people). Often times players will have problems with their L5 and lower back from constant and excessive strain. I pose this question to you: if you were to rotate and pull a cable machine loaded with 200lbs you could try and connect and fuse your body to get it into the strongest position. If you were to try and first rotate your hips, then your torso, and then your hands (you'd probably look silly) you'd get stuck. This same concept applies to hitting. What you are teaching is disconnection. This form of disconnection does in tfact do what you promised (when you make contact) but it doesn't "play." I has had the worst two seasons of my life thinking this way but when I made solid contact I hit bombs (only made solid contact a hand full of times). My alternative way of teaching hip shoulder separation is the counter move into launch. A key feature of all great swings (Trout, Acuña,... you name it) is landing with a neutral pelvis in what the old school way of teaching would call a balanced position. From here the swing is done top down and the barrel should win the race. The best hitters don't think about thtier lower half. I'll end this rant with Mookie Betts as an example. People always see the way he he lands as say that he gets is power from his separation. MOOKIE TRIES TO STAY CLOSED! I promise you, I have message with one of his hitting coaches.
So a couple things...
1. It's hard to make one video on youtube that covers everything about hitting, and address all your points.
2. You bring up great points that if we were discussing this in person I bet we would agree on.
3. I agree that good hitters often agree that they need to focus on their hands first. But, when you look at them kinematically, they do fire their hips first.
4. I think different styles of hitters and movers, do the hips first movement differently. Trout is a more stiff mover and you don't see as much hip shoulder separation, but Mookie get's LOTS of hit shoulder separation. Si they are hips first even if they aren't thinking about it.
5. I think you get around the injury issue by taking volume into consideration. Nobody would argue that plyometrics don't help runners, but doing plyometrics 3x a day would cause injuries so i think this is a volume play. (but this video is geared towards youth when I made it.
6. I think we should analyze an athlete to first find how they are moving correctly before prescribing any drill. We need to look at what they do well and what they don't and take a wholistic look. Doing one drill for everybody.
Lastly, I loved your comment, truthfully! So many people just come on and bash other people versus have a discussion. You brought up a lot of points people should be asking.
I ain't reading all that
@@Unnamed_Toast well then don’t read it…
GREAT DEMONSTRATION!!!!!,....thank you...just subbed
Thanks for the sub!
Yordan Alvarez also does a great hip movement before swing.
Great video! What sensor do you use / recommend?
Agreed
I use a Blast Motion
Thanks. This is good stuff. I’ve been trying to figure out a way to “explain what chocolate ice cream tastes like”. I think this will be very helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
Good information. Going to give it a try.
Please do! It's a good one
Great info!
Thanks for watching!
Went to your website to look at the sensor/program. Didn’t see any options to purchase..?
So we started as a local training facility, and are just starting to offer remote training stuff folks outside the area to share what's working with more folks, so my site isn't quite built up for that just yet. But you can buy our program where you can send in video where we can assess your athlete's swing and design a training program for them here: www.centraliabaseballacademy.com/tips
(and as you're going through the checkout process, we give you options to add a bat sensor if you'd like)
Which measurement on sensor are you. Tracking
Rotational Acceleration
Will this work in baseball aswell?
Yep, it's identical to Baseball in my opinion. The program my daughter was on was originally built from her older brother's program.
Is this for men as well?
absolutely.
Good video. also love the tools offered as well.
Thanks 👍
Too much hip . . . . . gonna' lead to weak opposite side pop-ups and grounders. I prefer my hitters to nearly simultaneously initiate swing, but, always hands first. Just my theory.
So if we're talking about how to not hit weak opposite side pop ups, I think if they can keep their shoulder closed while their hips are opening they can fix that problem. That's why I like this drill, as it works on trying to make the hands stay back AS the hips fire to fix those weak oppo hits you're concerned about.
We just call it "loading up".
I would put loading in a different category personally. For me Loading happens in the 'gather' phase of the swing and before you stride forward. Still important, but the way I talk about it we do different loading movements in the 'gather' phase than we do in the stride phase (which this drill is more about the stride phase and 'launch' phase of the swing. At least for how I like to talk about it.