I bought a Saginaw 33 years ago when they were allowing them back from South Korean. Literally piles of boxed M1 Carbines and M1 Garands with USGI slings, mags and accessories to look through at the gun shops and shows. Man I miss the “good ole days”!
This just made my night ! I had 2 Carbines in my little collection for years. After this video I now know they are both WW2 rifles, one flat bolt , one round. One INDLAND DIV and one UNDERWOOD. Thank you sr for that fun little journey I just went on.
My favorite rifle of all time,... the M1 Carbine 30 Cal. As a kid, growing up around a lot of WW2 Vets,... I was lucky enough to handle several. When all of us boys would play guns,... I got to use a non-firing M1 Carbine 30 Cal and have never forgot it. I've never seen the Paratrooper version before until recently. Wish I could afford one of those. I'd like it much more than my AR 15. Being a single disabled Dad of twin teenage daughters,.. won't ever have one but,.. it's my favorite. Hands down.
I have two "First Block" Inlands, obtained from two different sources about three weeks apart. The first was an 11,000 SN range dating from June/July of 1942, like the second or third month of production. The second was an 800,000 range dating from September of 1943. Both have flat bolts. I have the 800,000 range action in a Paratrooper stock as it is within the SN range that the Paratroopers were built from. The good thing about the M1 Carbine was that it was designed so that ANY part from ANY manufacturer would work in any OTHER manufacturer's carbine. This is why when you do find a true wartime carbine, they are often mixmasters... a mix of parts from different manufacturers. In 1944 when older carbines were rounded up for rebuild, the rifles were taken down to the roll pins so to speak. Anything that could be disassembled was and the parts were micrometered and if still serviceable they were put into bins. When the weapons were reassembled they just picked from available parts. You might have an IBM receiver with an inland stock, National Postal meter bolt, Underwood trigger housing with a Rock-Ola trigger and so on... and the weapon would work as if it just came off the assembly line. Indeed, during the initial manufacture, manufacturers often ran short of parts and bought the needed parts off other manufacturers. For a detailed account of the M1 Carbine, you need to read "WAR BABY" by Larry Ruth. This book covers all of the war time production of the M1 Carbine from it's design, through the end of Wartime production.
Thanks for the great video. It was very informative. I never realized that the carbine had so many manufacturers, design changes, and models. Thank you again.
What a wonderfully informative video! I do not have a WW2 model, however I do have 2 Universal models. One is near serial number 21,000 and it is new in box, the other is near serial number 40,000 and in great condition. Such a fun rifle to shoot.
Thanks for this video. My M1 Carbine is made by Inland in May 1944, has a push button safety, round bolt and adjustable rear sight + bayonet lug. The adjustable rear sight and bayonet lug must have been added after the war. This might have been done in Norway after the war, I live in Norway and lots of M1 Carbine came to the country during the war. Many as airplane-drops. Many were also sold to Norway after the war. They was used by the military until the 1970's and with some police units up to 1995.
@@BattlefieldCurator No problem! Norway received 98,267 M1 Carbines. The air-plane drops in WW2 is probably not included in that number. And also 72,800 M1 Garand's from the U.S. government before 1964. The Garands was also used by the military, until replaced by the H&K G3 in the 1960's. The Garand is actually still used in Norway for ceremonial purposes. Some people also use them for hunting, shooting and collecting. Many M1 Garand's and M1 Carbine's was sold to civilians as surplus. Same with the around 400,000 captured German Mauser Kar98's from WW2, they were also sold to civilians as surplus during the 1980's and 1990's.
Mine was made in 1944 by Underwood. I have a Viet Nam era bayonet given to me by the US Marine Vet who used it. He gave it to me because my M-1 didn't have one. It's the Marine way. If I had needed a haircut, he would have fixed that as well. Or a cigarette...................
Mine is made by IBM. Got it decades ago from the CMP program. It’s the only IBM manufactured one I have ever come across. All my kids and my older grand children have spent time with it. It’s the perfect weight and performance for a beginner moving up from the 22LR. I spent a lot of time with it in my youth. I just loved target and small game shooting with it. I wish the ammo was still cheap and plentiful. Of course, we can say that about a lot of calibers. I can’t believe what these guns are selling for today. Glad I got mine when I was young.
@@JefferyAshmore Good advice. I already reload several pistol calibers as well as 5.56 NATO and a few other specialty rounds. Looks like it’s time to add another to the work list.
Nice summary. I do wish, however, that you had covered the (so called) Bavarian Carbines. I have one that I bought in 1976. It puzzled me for years why mine had an adjustable notch rear sight rather than a two position flip type. It has been a very good shooter over the years.
GREAT video, mine is a real Winchester, restored. No new parts BUT my stock was terrible so it has a gorgeous reproduction, marked correctly. All the parts are authentic.
Great video, thanks for the info! Subscribed. Years ago I stumbled across a Plainfield Machine Co. M1 Carbine. I'd never heard of the company, nor had the dealer, but it was cheap and of qood quality. I kept trying to walk away but couldn't put it down. Very glad I took a chance because it's a great little shooter. I learned recently that other than the 1965 commercial receiver it is built from actual USGI parts. It should be fun trying to identify the manufacturers of these parts.
Yes the Plainfield ones are mostly USGI parts, and I’ve read they are pretty reliable. I saw one at a shop a few months ago, it was snatched up pretty fast.
I had a Plainfield, all parts were interchangeable with military M1s and the stock was for a M2 I also had a Underwood US GI flip sight and a flat bolt with no bayonet lug, the action was so smooth...
I inherited a Plainfield Machine carbine after a friend passed way many years ago. Over the next forty years I picked-up a couple of GI-issue carbines, so the Plainfield sat unused in my gun safe. This year I passed the weapon onto a young friend of mine, carefully explaining that it was post-war commercial copy, not an original US military rifle. She couldn't have cared less, she absolutely loves her "new" carbine.
Awesome video. It is so important for the customer (especially Milsurps) to have the info before buying. I didn't even know that 'Quality HMC" was a manufacturer.
Yes, I believe that plenty of research must be done before buying a M1 Carbine because there’s tons of information to know about them. Plus, a lot of folks just getting into it haven’t done much research yet and I sought to help them out with this video.
I simply don't care if it's ww2 era or not. I know my carbine isn't from that era but, I've got a garand that I've dated to it's assembly to between January and March of 1943 so, it may have seen real action but it is definitely from the era regardless. It's neat and all but more important, it works!
I have an Erma’s Firearms M1 Carbine. It cycles everything I put through it. BTW - If you research the Erma Firearms M1 Carbine, you’ll see it’s made mostly of USGI parts. The Hammer and Trigger mechanism are clearly stamped “E” for Erma manufacture. The Receiver is Erma as well. The receivers on these Erma 30 Cal M1 Carbines has a warning in the research site due to a low Rockwell hardness rating. I took mine to a metallurgist and had it tested. It came back with a Rockwell rating of RC12…well below the minimum USGI rating of RC35. So…I had a gunsmith disassemble the action and I had the metallurgist heat-treat harden the receiver up to RC39. The gunsmith then reassembled and test fired. The gun functions and shoots great…and I have no worried about receiver warping due to it being soft. The stocks on these Ermas are beautiful too!
Oddly enough, I have a national ordinance pre65 carbine. It says “us carbine cal 30 m1” and natl ord inc behind the sight along with the serial number. As far as I know those aren’t usgi receivers but usgi parts
Something to note on the Irwin Pedersen carbines... Irwin Pedersen did not produce any carbines that were accepted by the military. Irwin Pedersen carbines should have a S'G' stamped on the left side of the receiver in the area of the magazine well as you look forward towards the barrel. This is because the Irwin Pedersen contract was transferred to Saginaw Gear. Saginaw Gear spun up a second plant in Grand Rapids to build Carbines under this contract and marked their parts S'G'
Generally speaking, most early configured M1 Carbines with flip sights, push button safety, early stock, and flat bolt may go for more at auction. Check the stock for any re-Arsenal markings or manufacturers markings. Google those markings. The top handguard should also have one hole on each side if is an early style.
@@BattlefieldCurator my dad served in Korea and carried one, he owned 3 of them and left them to me when he passed. They have a special place in my heart with a lot of great memories.
I have an underwood m1 carbine..mine has a serial number on the flat bolt along with on the stock where the slope of the sling cutout is..just wondering how many were done that way.
They only made 6,130, 000 weapons. There were so many subcontractors your lucky to find one with original parts. I own a Quality Hardware with a Buffalo arms barrel, and a Standard Product with an underwood barrel. Both stamped 8/43. Love them.
Six million Carbines manufactured from ‘42-‘45 and somebody gets one with 100% Saginaw, Rockola, or even Winchester parts? Please. The armorers were slapping those pieces together in the states and in pacific an Europe during the war. Then they military armories upgraded them with new sights and bayonet lug barrel bands after the war. Not to mention the m-2 variants. Anyone who tries to sell an m-1 carbine from one source is shining you on.
The best firearm I ever got was a m1 carbine from the nra sell off when I was 14 . 15$ and a1911 for 17$ 1000 Rounds of each for 1 cent a round. Both still like new and function surpered
I have the round bolt with the x stamp. I'm told that's the transition bolt marked so it's known as mostly updated? 1943 inland with high wood stock and 2 rivets no import marks, bayo lug, adjustable sight
I have a new built Inland and would rather use this for any use most think the AR15 is good for. Nothing like steel, wood and canvas sling for an all around weapon. And so light it is enjoyable every time I pick it up.
So, I have a possibly dumb question, what's the deal with universal m1 carbines? I get they are not interchangeable with a real m1 at least not the later ones, but what do you look for in them? Are the magazines interchangeable with the original?
Good question… I honestly don’t mess around with the Universal M1 Carbines. I’ve heard that a lot of them have issues and to me it does not hold collector value.
@@BattlefieldCurator understandable, I'm curious as I've seen one at a decent price. Was going to be looking at it and am looking for info, anyways appreciate the reply.
I have an Inland DIV, appears early model, vet bring back. It has a U.S. Coast Guard marking on the butt stock. Is this accurate? Did the USCG mark theirs in this way?
I found an Inland recently not sure what I should do with it? Any advice? It’s missing the magazine. Also I live in NY so not sure if it’s illegal to possess this
As far as I’ve read, it’s legal to have an M1 Carbines but you can’t have the 15 rd magazine there. You should be able to find some 10rd or less mags. Do some more research though.
My gun has the flat bolt but it has the adjustable sight not the flip sight. It has a bayonet lug. It has the flip safety. No visible marks on the stock and it is a Winchester. The serial number is in the 130xxxx range. Matching numbers on gun except the rear sight. I have no clue when it was made or if it is one of the more desirable ones. Any information would be appreciated.
I have a Transitional period Winchester I bought from Royal Tiger Imports, I believe it was 1944. It’s almost all Winchester minus the trigger housing assembly and maybe mag release. It has the early 2 pin high wood stock and early I rear sling mount stock and even the oiler bottle is Winchester.
Oh man! That would carry one hefty auction tag. You’d have to get it appraised by the most reputable auction house or appraisers … Rock Island Auction is probably where I’d start.
mine is stamped auto-ordinance, Worcester. MA. any ideas? no other stampings aside from US carbine 30 cal M1. on the receiver. was given a serial number after it was taken. it has an interesting back story where it has no other stampings
Sounds like a new commercial reproduction M1 Carbine made by Auto Ordnance. Auto Ordnance was a sub contractor during WW2 for M1 Carbine production. Receivers made by Auto Ordnance during the war had receivers marked with IBM Corp, serial number, then AO all below the rear sight.
Incorrect about flat top bolts and dates! Flat tops were still installed well past 1943! I just inspected a 2/44 inland that was 100% original and it had a matching blued flat top bolt. Ww2 flat tops were blued and not parked so if the bolt is parkerized it is an arsenal worked weapon. Also, inland did install bayonet lugs on some weapons in late 44 ww2 production as did Winchester. However, they are not common so you have to look at several other things to tell if it’s period or post 45 added. One thing would be a shadow under the lug etc along with update mods like the rear site. Not to mention do the stamps match on all fittings or parts to that manufacturer.
Just to set the record straight, any and all bolts that were already produced would ja e been installed and sent out the door just like any new made parts. They were "replaced" with the round bolt but only after the flat bolts were depleted. So both of you are correct in context. Besides with over 6 1/2 million being made in 38 months by ten manufacturers and hundreds of subs there is bound to be some things that slip by.
I found one with a totally different charging handle. It’s missing the pin that holds the bolt open, and there is no detent in the receiver for that missing pin to engage. It’s made by Universal. Is this a civilian model?
Auto-Ordinance is a commercial reproduction of the M1 Carbine. It's not from 1943. They made them a long time ago and have recently started making them again.
Just checked the one I inherited from my grandfather, a WW2 vet. Fought on the Italian front, wounded in action. Had a nasty scar on his forearm, claimed he had a metal plate in it. Another scar on his forehead. Probably shrapnel wounds, but he never talked about it. Anyway, it's marked Inland Division, has a adjustable sight, flat bolt, button safety, and a bayonet lug. No import marks I can see either. Pretty sure that means it is indeed his service weapon. Wasn't sure because it has the 'cheese grater' heat shield common on the universal M1's, but I also have the original wooden piece as well.
Wow incredible story. I wonder if he changed the heat shield out over time? Do you know if he took it to the range a lot? What’s the date on the barrel? Thanks for sharing!
Between the good video editing skills, voice of the gods, glorious beard, and valuable history lesson, im surprised you dont have more subs. Better than my work. From one small time channel to another, subbed.
@@BattlefieldCurator Absolutely my friend. Ive actually got a discord server im in for small time gun channels. We share valuable information, give ideas, set up collaberations, ect If youre interested in checking it out, heres a link.
So I have a m1 carbine but I know it’s from Winchester due to the fact the model number comes back to that but it’s only designation it has is a W and then followed by the serial numbers underneath it on top of that I found out it was used by a actual medic in wwii and I have his ammo pouches and his rifle untouched could this be a gem? Or something else
@@BattlefieldCurator it not marked by the word only by a letter which is a big W and it comes back to Winchester too and has another W on the bottom of the barrel near the muzzle also I don’t have facebook since I don’t like to use it
why is it that the M1 30 cal. for carbine now is different in shape one time we have use in one of our firing done last 1985 the 30 cal. cartrieds we have use is like the cartrieds use in M16 but a little bit bigger but smaller than M14 cartrieds but the 30 cal M1 carbine use in your video is defferent in shape. for the ammo we use their is a lavel written in the bottom of the cartrieds and that is .30 cal carbine
Might I recommend that you learn all about the advantages and limitations of the weapon that you are considering to buy so that you do not expect more then it will deliver? It can save a lot of disappotment and wasted money.
I have a Quality Hardware M1 Carbine by S.N. on it I was told it was made back at the end of 1944! It has a two-pin high wood stock, round bolt, adjustable rear sight, flip safety, and bayonet lug! I was told that Quality Hardware at the end of the war made some M1 carbines with bayonet lugs on them! Do you know if this is true?
I challenge anyone watching this video to post a picture of a commercial controls. I've been collecting carbines a very long time and have never seen even a picture of a commercial controls. Also they were never given to the soldiers
I just grabbed a National Postal today. The guy I bought it from only deals in legitimate WW2 gear and I know him, but it still helps to know all the ins and outs of my new rifle
OM! This is a bit like watching The Andy Griffith Show while trying to identify the long arms in the Sheriff's gunrack. You have to look closely while trying to ignore that attention grabber in front of the camera.
@@BattlefieldCurator Glad you liked that. I was hoping you would not take offense. My comment regarding the TV show comes from my book, MAYBERRY AT ARMS. It has always intrigued me for decades, what guns were in the Sheriff's gunrack.
So what if you have a Frankenstein? All authentic WW2 but pieced together with parts from various contractors? A rebuild, if you will, from various unservicable rifles, for whatever reason ... combat damage, poor treatment, etc.?
That’s perfectly normal for M1 Carbines. There were many contractors and sub contractors so parts will not match. It’s actually quite suspicious if all the parts are of the same manufacturer.
I was walking an M1 carbine around a gun show a few years ago to sell. It was a DCM gun w/box, a Standard Products post-war rebuild of a Standard Products with STD PROD RWK stamp on the stock. One dealer at a table asked to see it and asked me what made me think it was a genuine USGI carbine? I retorted what makes you think it isn't? His reply was that every USGI carbine was marked US PROPERTY! 🤨
I dont know - the history of this weapon suggests its history is less important than its functionality - its a weapon thats its manufacture (and to the point) is to NOT! being centralized. So adding value to any one manufacturer is inflated, because that's not what it was. example of my rant, id rather have a ROCK-OLA then an Indland, why? GM made the majority of them. smaller companies made less Inland a sub of GM - but in the "market" Inland gets the money. see? I have a Saginaw, i love it beacuse of its oddity - and it shoots every bit as good and an Inland...
Does anyone know anything about the m1 that has a metal heat shield about the handguard, no bayonet lug, adjustable rear sight with a high profile stock?
The Indiana Jones of firearms. Rugged cowboy meets intellectual. 👍👍 Found an Underwood for a reasonable price last summer. And a Christmas present for myself in the paratrooper model from Inland
Haha, the Indy jokes never get old! Someone at work said I need a bull whip. Great haul btw, it's getting harder to find the paratrooper models at a reasonable price!
@@BattlefieldCurator yes it is. Let it sit for a week before going to a local pawn shop to check it out. Thought Inland commercial reproduction at first because of the lever safety. My inland with the regular stock has the cross bolt safety. But after perusing some videos to verify the authenticity, bought it for a bargain
Nobody really knows how the Commercial Controls were marked because none have been found. Commercial Controls originally was National Postal Meter and they changed there name of the company.
you never know, over the last few years i have found some under 1k... One of them, it was an IBM, was already in the hands of its future owner when i arrived at the shop. I was about ten minutes too late for that one lol. glad another enthusiast was able to get a great piece of history though
They are pricey but I don't see that value decreasing as long as you take care of it. I just purchased my first m1 carbine for $1000 yesterday. Honestly you could probably find one cheaper if you shopped around but still I'm happy with the price. Most Mil-surp are now expensive atleast compared to what I remember them growing up. I still kick myself for not buying a few of the rifles Big 5 used to have back in the 2000's. Honestly if you really want a specific rifle the best time to buy it is probably now as there prices probably won't come down. Also if you can't find a deal locally get online. I managed to find a clean M1 Garand for under $1000 on gun broker with a good original barrel. Mind you it probably never saw combat as it was made the year after Korea. Meanwhile the carbine I got is WWII.
I bought a Saginaw 33 years ago when they were allowing them back from South Korean. Literally piles of boxed M1 Carbines and M1 Garands with USGI slings, mags and accessories to look through at the gun shops and shows. Man I miss the “good ole days”!
We need a time machine!
How much were each one of them back then?
Btw, thanks for the info, that’s good stuff.
Think about what you're saying. It was fun but it required mass murder to happen. Lots and lots of guns.
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@@wesstubbs3472different time 33 years ago, people were retarded and actually had respect for guns unlike now
This just made my night ! I had 2 Carbines in my little collection for years. After this video I now know they are both WW2 rifles, one flat bolt , one round. One INDLAND DIV and one UNDERWOOD. Thank you sr for that fun little journey I just went on.
Cheers 😁🍻
Lots of info in just under 8 minutes and a great delivery too. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful! 😁🍻
My favorite rifle of all time,... the M1 Carbine 30 Cal.
As a kid, growing up around a lot of WW2 Vets,... I was lucky enough to handle several. When all of us boys would play guns,... I got to use a non-firing M1 Carbine 30 Cal and have never forgot it. I've never seen the Paratrooper version before until recently. Wish I could afford one of those. I'd like it much more than my AR 15. Being a single disabled Dad of twin teenage daughters,.. won't ever have one but,.. it's my favorite. Hands down.
Understandable, family first 🍻
@@BattlefieldCurator Absolutely. ✌
I have two "First Block" Inlands, obtained from two different sources about three weeks apart. The first was an 11,000 SN range dating from June/July of 1942, like the second or third month of production. The second was an 800,000 range dating from September of 1943. Both have flat bolts. I have the 800,000 range action in a Paratrooper stock as it is within the SN range that the Paratroopers were built from. The good thing about the M1 Carbine was that it was designed so that ANY part from ANY manufacturer would work in any OTHER manufacturer's carbine. This is why when you do find a true wartime carbine, they are often mixmasters... a mix of parts from different manufacturers. In 1944 when older carbines were rounded up for rebuild, the rifles were taken down to the roll pins so to speak. Anything that could be disassembled was and the parts were micrometered and if still serviceable they were put into bins. When the weapons were reassembled they just picked from available parts. You might have an IBM receiver with an inland stock, National Postal meter bolt, Underwood trigger housing with a Rock-Ola trigger and so on... and the weapon would work as if it just came off the assembly line. Indeed, during the initial manufacture, manufacturers often ran short of parts and bought the needed parts off other manufacturers. For a detailed account of the M1 Carbine, you need to read "WAR BABY" by Larry Ruth. This book covers all of the war time production of the M1 Carbine from it's design, through the end of Wartime production.
Very good information, thanks 🍻
Thanks for the great video. It was very informative. I never realized that the carbine had so many manufacturers, design changes, and models.
Thank you again.
Glad it was helpful! 😁🍻
What a wonderfully informative video! I do not have a WW2 model, however I do have 2 Universal models. One is near serial number 21,000 and it is new in box, the other is near serial number 40,000 and in great condition. Such a fun rifle to shoot.
Awesome!
Great compact and light little rifle for the common man. Enough for anything that comes your way
Awesome amount of info in a < 8 minute video.
Thanks!
Mine is Saginaw...nestled in my safe. Fun to shoot. A treasured heirloom.
Thanks for this video. My M1 Carbine is made by Inland in May 1944, has a push button safety, round bolt and adjustable rear sight + bayonet lug. The adjustable rear sight and bayonet lug must have been added after the war. This might have been done in Norway after the war, I live in Norway and lots of M1 Carbine came to the country during the war. Many as airplane-drops. Many were also sold to Norway after the war. They was used by the military until the 1970's and with some police units up to 1995.
Thanks for that knowledge, I didn’t know Norway received them 👍
@@BattlefieldCurator No problem! Norway received 98,267 M1 Carbines. The air-plane drops in WW2 is probably not included in that number.
And also 72,800 M1 Garand's from the U.S. government before 1964.
The Garands was also used by the military, until replaced by the H&K G3 in the 1960's.
The Garand is actually still used in Norway for ceremonial purposes.
Some people also use them for hunting, shooting and collecting. Many M1 Garand's and M1 Carbine's was sold to civilians as surplus. Same with the around 400,000 captured German Mauser Kar98's from WW2, they were also sold to civilians as surplus during the 1980's and 1990's.
Mine was made in 1944 by Underwood.
I have a Viet Nam era bayonet given to me by the US Marine Vet who used it.
He gave it to me because my M-1 didn't have one.
It's the Marine way.
If I had needed a haircut, he would have fixed that as well.
Or a cigarette...................
Mine is made by IBM. Got it decades ago from the CMP program. It’s the only IBM manufactured one I have ever come across. All my kids and my older grand children have spent time with it. It’s the perfect weight and performance for a beginner moving up from the 22LR. I spent a lot of time with it in my youth. I just loved target and small game shooting with it. I wish the ammo was still cheap and plentiful. Of course, we can say that about a lot of calibers. I can’t believe what these guns are selling for today. Glad I got mine when I was young.
Yes, the prices for these, even new ones like Fulton armory made, are really expensive. I only have one I.B.M. M1 Carbine.
Cheap to reload, maybe you should do that, very easy to do.
@@JefferyAshmore Good advice. I already reload several pistol calibers as well as 5.56 NATO and a few other specialty rounds. Looks like it’s time to add another to the work list.
@raymondproulx1095 good for you sir!!
Nice summary. I do wish, however, that you had covered the (so called) Bavarian Carbines. I have one that I bought in 1976. It puzzled me for years why mine had an adjustable notch rear sight rather than a two position flip type. It has been a very good shooter over the years.
GREAT video, mine is a real Winchester, restored. No new parts BUT my stock was terrible so it has a gorgeous reproduction, marked correctly. All the parts are authentic.
Very nice! 🔥
I have an Underwood barrel dated 11/1943. Underwood actually supplied barrels to a few of the other makers.
Yep! I got a Standard Product with an Underwood barrel
Great video, thanks for the info! Subscribed.
Years ago I stumbled across a Plainfield Machine Co. M1 Carbine. I'd never heard of the company, nor had the dealer, but it was cheap and of qood quality. I kept trying to walk away but couldn't put it down. Very glad I took a chance because it's a great little shooter. I learned recently that other than the 1965 commercial receiver it is built from actual USGI parts. It should be fun trying to identify the manufacturers of these parts.
Yes the Plainfield ones are mostly USGI parts, and I’ve read they are pretty reliable. I saw one at a shop a few months ago, it was snatched up pretty fast.
I had a Plainfield, all parts were interchangeable with military M1s and the stock was for a M2
I also had a Underwood US GI flip sight and a flat bolt with no bayonet lug, the action was so smooth...
I inherited a Plainfield Machine carbine after a friend passed way many years ago. Over the next forty years I picked-up a couple of GI-issue carbines, so the Plainfield sat unused in my gun safe. This year I passed the weapon onto a young friend of mine, carefully explaining that it was post-war commercial copy, not an original US military rifle. She couldn't have cared less, she absolutely loves her "new" carbine.
A lot of good information in a short video thank you so 😀
Glad it was helpful! 😁🍻
Very cool. I absolutely love the M1 carbine. I have a Quality Hardware model.
Great! Are you considering adding more to your collection?
Mine is a Standard.
And I love it to pieces.
Awesome! 😎
Great vid Dan! Very informative, it would be a dream to come across one of these jewels !
Thanks 👍
Glad you enjoyed it 😁🍻
Thanks Doctor Jones!
My pleasure!
Awesome video. It is so important for the customer (especially Milsurps) to have the info before buying. I didn't even know that 'Quality HMC" was a manufacturer.
Yes, I believe that plenty of research must be done before buying a M1 Carbine because there’s tons of information to know about them. Plus, a lot of folks just getting into it haven’t done much research yet and I sought to help them out with this video.
I just picked up a all matching and original rock ola and Winchester I love m1 carbines there one of my favorites to collect
Nice!
@@BattlefieldCurator now I wanna get a ibm and one of them really nice un quality made by union switch and signal and quality hardware
I simply don't care if it's ww2 era or not. I know my carbine isn't from that era but, I've got a garand that I've dated to it's assembly to between January and March of 1943 so, it may have seen real action but it is definitely from the era regardless. It's neat and all but more important, it works!
That's a lot of explaining from someone who doesnt care
Fulton Armory sells reconditioned, WW2, CMP, M1s (and other CMP rifles)
Another great video. Very educational.
thank you!
I have an Erma’s Firearms M1 Carbine. It cycles everything I put through it.
BTW - If you research the Erma Firearms M1 Carbine, you’ll see it’s made mostly of USGI parts. The Hammer and Trigger mechanism are clearly stamped “E” for Erma manufacture. The Receiver is Erma as well.
The receivers on these Erma 30 Cal M1 Carbines has a warning in the research site due to a low Rockwell hardness rating. I took mine to a metallurgist and had it tested. It came back with a Rockwell rating of RC12…well below the minimum USGI rating of RC35. So…I had a gunsmith disassemble the action and I had the metallurgist heat-treat harden the receiver up to RC39. The gunsmith then reassembled and test fired. The gun functions and shoots great…and I have no worried about receiver warping due to it being soft.
The stocks on these Ermas are beautiful too!
that’s actually good information, thanks for sharing😎🍻
Oddly enough, I have a national ordinance pre65 carbine. It says “us carbine cal 30 m1” and natl ord inc behind the sight along with the serial number. As far as I know those aren’t usgi receivers but usgi parts
Great video thanks! I have a Winchester.
Thanks, I like how Winchester used their logo font on the M1 Carbine
I have my Uncle's M1 from his time in Vietnam. It's a Universal from the '60s.
Are you sure it’s a Universal? They didn’t produce M1 Carbines for the U.S. military, only the commercial market
Your story is so fake lol universal are commerical carbine only they never went to vietnam. Ur uncle lied to you hahahahaha
@@BattlefieldCuratorlots of uncles tell fairytales to look more brave and cool in the families eyes
Great video. Amazing job!
thank you!
Something to note on the Irwin Pedersen carbines... Irwin Pedersen did not produce any carbines that were accepted by the military. Irwin Pedersen carbines should have a S'G' stamped on the left side of the receiver in the area of the magazine well as you look forward towards the barrel. This is because the Irwin Pedersen contract was transferred to Saginaw Gear. Saginaw Gear spun up a second plant in Grand Rapids to build Carbines under this contract and marked their parts S'G'
Good info, thanks
Are non-rebuilt versions worth more? My Inland 1943 doesn't seem to have been re-arsenaled. Any other things to look for to check this out for sure?
Generally speaking, most early configured M1 Carbines with flip sights, push button safety, early stock, and flat bolt may go for more at auction. Check the stock for any re-Arsenal markings or manufacturers markings. Google those markings. The top handguard should also have one hole on each side if is an early style.
@@bertroost1675 islands are nice I had a few
My favorite gun absolutely love the M1 carbine
It’s such a lightweight little rifle, and very easy to use. I spent a lot of time shooting mine during the pandemic.
@@BattlefieldCurator my dad served in Korea and carried one, he owned 3 of them and left them to me when he passed. They have a special place in my heart with a lot of great memories.
I have an underwood m1 carbine..mine has a serial number on the flat bolt along with on the stock where the slope of the sling cutout is..just wondering how many were done that way.
They only made 6,130, 000 weapons. There were so many subcontractors your lucky to find one with original parts. I own a Quality Hardware with a Buffalo arms barrel, and a Standard Product with an underwood barrel. Both stamped 8/43. Love them.
Awesome! Yes indeed a lot of subcontractors
Six million Carbines manufactured from ‘42-‘45 and somebody gets one with 100% Saginaw, Rockola, or even Winchester parts? Please. The armorers were slapping those pieces together in the states and in pacific an Europe during the war. Then they military armories upgraded them with new sights and bayonet lug barrel bands after the war. Not to mention the m-2 variants.
Anyone who tries to sell an m-1 carbine from one source is shining you on.
@@danielpushman9597 indeed, if it’s all matching, it most likely was force matched
The best firearm I ever got was a m1 carbine from the nra sell off when I was 14 . 15$ and a1911 for 17$ 1000
Rounds of each for 1 cent a round. Both still like new and function surpered
I have the round bolt with the x stamp. I'm told that's the transition bolt marked so it's known as mostly updated? 1943 inland with high wood stock and 2 rivets no import marks, bayo lug, adjustable sight
Yep, nice! I like the look of the high wood stock
I have a Rock-ola with RO barrel. Early high wood NPM stock.
Nice!
I was lucky enough to get a June 1943 inland that was in Italian stockpile in 1968 for $800, honestly a steal for 2022
Yea definitely! Anything under 1k is a good deal for a WW2 M1 Carbine
@@BattlefieldCurator it was from a hole in a wall gun store I'm best friends with as well, I love it, and it's even my truck gun as we speak right now
this guy is just churning a stream of info which should be stone boring. But the way he says it all is so engaging!
Thanks!
Are the wincheater 1944 models reliable and worth the 1500 proce tag?
I have a new built Inland and would rather use this for any use most think the AR15 is good for. Nothing like steel, wood and canvas sling for an all around weapon. And so light it is enjoyable every time I pick it up.
I just picked up an all original rock ola with all rock ola parts and early features even the high cut stock for a steal at a local gun shop!
Awesome find! Good deals are still out there!
Thats worth a chunk of money , i could kick myself for selling the rock ola that i had ,
so, curious if the length of the barrel tells a story. I just got one with a 16" barrel ?
I just bought a 11-43 Underwood that was carried by the previous owner 2 tours in Nam as a radio operator.
Wow! That’s incredible history!
Awesome info......!
Glad to help!
But which is the most desirable? And why?
I know this is an old video, but can you do a video explaining the different types for m1 carbine parts? I'm having a hard time figuring it out
I’ll have to make a deep dive into that, might take some time but I’ll consider working on it
@@BattlefieldCurator awesome!
So, I have a possibly dumb question, what's the deal with universal m1 carbines? I get they are not interchangeable with a real m1 at least not the later ones, but what do you look for in them? Are the magazines interchangeable with the original?
Good question… I honestly don’t mess around with the Universal M1 Carbines. I’ve heard that a lot of them have issues and to me it does not hold collector value.
@@BattlefieldCurator understandable, I'm curious as I've seen one at a decent price. Was going to be looking at it and am looking for info, anyways appreciate the reply.
NOT a GI part gun.....only magazine works....if it breaks you are out of luck...$300 or less
I’ve got an universal postal meter with a marlin barrel pretty cool
I have an Inland DIV, appears early model, vet bring back. It has a U.S. Coast Guard marking on the butt stock. Is this accurate? Did the USCG mark theirs in this way?
Wow I have not heard of a coast guard marked one. Might be best to do some research on it
Always wanted 30 cal carbine.
I found an Inland recently not sure what I should do with it? Any advice? It’s missing the magazine. Also I live in NY so not sure if it’s illegal to possess this
As far as I’ve read, it’s legal to have an M1 Carbines but you can’t have the 15 rd magazine there. You should be able to find some 10rd or less mags. Do some more research though.
SSSSHHHHH.....clean it up,get some mags and hang on to it!
is the m1 carbine with bayonet lug illegal to own?
Check your state laws, I haven’t heard of any reason to ban them just because of bayonet lugs though
I have a National Postal Meter M1 in the safe.
Does your have any insignia on the barrel?
@yoloswagthuglifeselfie568 wow, sorry for the massively late response. Yes, mine has an Underwood barrel dated 9-43 and the flaming bomb insignia.
I have INLAND DIV. M2 Carbin, all stock and still in excellent condition, but sadly, its hard to buy the ammo here in the Philippines..
My gun has the flat bolt but it has the adjustable sight not the flip sight. It has a bayonet lug. It has the flip safety. No visible marks on the stock and it is a Winchester. The serial number is in the 130xxxx range. Matching numbers on gun except the rear sight. I have no clue when it was made or if it is one of the more desirable ones. Any information would be appreciated.
I have a Transitional period Winchester I bought from Royal Tiger Imports, I believe it was 1944. It’s almost all Winchester minus the trigger housing assembly and maybe mag release. It has the early 2 pin high wood stock and early I rear sling mount stock and even the oiler bottle is Winchester.
That’s cool! I’m surprised it came with the oil bottle as well
@@BattlefieldCurator Yes, original sling too. It was broken but was tied in a knot, still works enough for me.
@@AK74Man87 I remember seeing a few of those in some of their photos and videos. Glad you were able to get one with sling and oiler.
I have an m with a original side mount for scope I have 6 power scope mounted on it. I also have a Ruger pistol chambered for m1 carbine
Can we retrofit or change/ replace an old barrel to a new one.
Fulton armory and I believe Criterion make barrels
I have a Winchester with the flat bolt and also a Rock-ola any idea of price range and where to sell ?
Probably check out your local gun shops and see if they do consignment. Or see what they have sold for on gun broker.
Rear sight was also called a "peep" sight.
How do you price a non numbered prototype built before being mass manufactured?
Oh man! That would carry one hefty auction tag. You’d have to get it appraised by the most reputable auction house or appraisers … Rock Island Auction is probably where I’d start.
mine is stamped auto-ordinance, Worcester. MA. any ideas? no other stampings aside from US carbine 30 cal M1. on the receiver. was given a serial number after it was taken. it has an interesting back story where it has no other stampings
Sounds like a new commercial reproduction M1 Carbine made by Auto Ordnance. Auto Ordnance was a sub contractor during WW2 for M1 Carbine production. Receivers made by Auto Ordnance during the war had receivers marked with IBM Corp, serial number, then AO all below the rear sight.
Incorrect about flat top bolts and dates! Flat tops were still installed well past 1943! I just inspected a 2/44 inland that was 100% original and it had a matching blued flat top bolt. Ww2 flat tops were blued and not parked so if the bolt is parkerized it is an arsenal worked weapon. Also, inland did install bayonet lugs on some weapons in late 44 ww2 production as did Winchester. However, they are not common so you have to look at several other things to tell if it’s period or post 45 added. One thing would be a shadow under the lug etc along with update mods like the rear site. Not to mention do the stamps match on all fittings or parts to that manufacturer.
That is true, I have seen plenty of later ones with flat bolts. errr I should have worded it differently... thanks for the in depth explanation!
Just to set the record straight, any and all bolts that were already produced would ja e been installed and sent out the door just like any new made parts. They were "replaced" with the round bolt but only after the flat bolts were depleted. So both of you are correct in context. Besides with over 6 1/2 million being made in 38 months by ten manufacturers and hundreds of subs there is bound to be some things that slip by.
What about an m one grand style stock on a m one carbine.
IAI made all GI parts with non GI receiver
I found one with a totally different charging handle. It’s missing the pin that holds the bolt open, and there is no detent in the receiver for that missing pin to engage. It’s made by Universal. Is this a civilian model?
Yes it’s civilian
I have a auto-ordnance from my research it was manufactured until late 1943.
Auto-Ordinance is a commercial reproduction of the M1 Carbine. It's not from 1943. They made them a long time ago and have recently started making them again.
Just checked the one I inherited from my grandfather, a WW2 vet. Fought on the Italian front, wounded in action. Had a nasty scar on his forearm, claimed he had a metal plate in it. Another scar on his forehead. Probably shrapnel wounds, but he never talked about it.
Anyway, it's marked Inland Division, has a adjustable sight, flat bolt, button safety, and a bayonet lug. No import marks I can see either. Pretty sure that means it is indeed his service weapon. Wasn't sure because it has the 'cheese grater' heat shield common on the universal M1's, but I also have the original wooden piece as well.
Wow incredible story. I wonder if he changed the heat shield out over time? Do you know if he took it to the range a lot? What’s the date on the barrel? Thanks for sharing!
Between the good video editing skills, voice of the gods, glorious beard, and valuable history lesson, im surprised you dont have more subs.
Better than my work. From one small time channel to another, subbed.
lol Thank you for your support!
@@BattlefieldCurator Absolutely my friend. Ive actually got a discord server im in for small time gun channels. We share valuable information, give ideas, set up collaberations, ect
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So I have a m1 carbine but I know it’s from Winchester due to the fact the model number comes back to that but it’s only designation it has is a W and then followed by the serial numbers underneath it on top of that I found out it was used by a actual medic in wwii and I have his ammo pouches and his rifle untouched could this be a gem? Or something else
It’s not marked “Winchester” under the rear sight? Strange. Maybe post some photos of it in M1 Carbine Facebook groups
@@BattlefieldCurator it not marked by the word only by a letter which is a big W and it comes back to Winchester too and has another W on the bottom of the barrel near the muzzle also I don’t have facebook since I don’t like to use it
why is it that the M1 30 cal. for carbine now is different in shape
one time we have use in one of our firing done last 1985 the 30 cal. cartrieds we have use is like the cartrieds use in M16 but a little bit bigger but smaller than M14 cartrieds but the 30 cal M1 carbine use in your video is defferent in shape. for the ammo we use their is a lavel written in the bottom of the cartrieds and that is .30 cal carbine
Might I recommend that you learn all about the advantages and limitations of the weapon that you are considering to buy so that you do not expect more then it will deliver? It can save a lot of disappotment and wasted money.
I have a Quality Hardware M1 Carbine by S.N. on it I was told it was made back at the end of 1944! It has a two-pin high wood stock, round bolt, adjustable rear sight, flip safety, and bayonet lug! I was told that Quality Hardware at the end of the war made some M1 carbines with bayonet lugs on them! Do you know if this is true?
Possibly
I have 54 painted on the bottom of the grip and MRM stamped in the stock. What does that mean?
The 54 is most likely a rack number, and I’m not sure about the MRM
@@BattlefieldCurator it’s a inland receiver and barrel. Very nice condition too. Thank you, I think it was the soldiers initials.
I challenge anyone watching this video to post a picture of a commercial controls. I've been collecting carbines a very long time and have never seen even a picture of a commercial controls. Also they were never given to the soldiers
What about a rmc stamp on the butt of the stock I know it is royal marine corp
Ahhhh finally... a guy who pronounces "carbine" correctly (CAR-BEEN)!!....SUBBED
Thanks!
The British (and some areas of US) pronounce it car bine ( long i like eye).
@@davidtrindle6473 The British do yes. But MOST Americans will say Car-BEEN. To say it with the long eye sounds pretty stupid imho.
The British sound pretty pompous and idiotic the minute they open their mouths anyway.
I've got a AK I wood trade for a good carbine rockola would be great
I just grabbed a National Postal today. The guy I bought it from only deals in legitimate WW2 gear and I know him, but it still helps to know all the ins and outs of my new rifle
Awesome! Enjoy it 😎
I have a National Postal Meter also ENJOY!!!
Now you can go down the Rabbit Hole of Magazines and their makers marks!
My friends M1 says General Motors by the front sight
I have a Winchester that I tracked to a 1942 Manufacture date.
Must be a nice one! 💯
What about Universal and Plainfield?
Both are commercial and not WW2. Plainfields do have WW2 parts though, and have pretty good reliability from what I’ve read.
$300 tops
OM! This is a bit like watching The Andy Griffith Show while trying to identify the long arms in the Sheriff's gunrack. You have to look closely while trying to ignore that attention grabber in front of the camera.
lol
@@BattlefieldCurator Glad you liked that. I was hoping you would not take offense. My comment regarding the TV show comes from my book, MAYBERRY AT ARMS. It has always intrigued me for decades, what guns were in the Sheriff's gunrack.
I just bot a m1 carbine and it doesn't have a marking of who made it does that mean it was made after ww2? 😊
It definitely should have some kind of marking. Check it all over again and underneath the rear sight.
My carbine shows Underwood but with a line going through it.
Cool, it’s known as a “line out” M1 Carbine, quite hard to find one of those.
@@BattlefieldCurator Ah that's pretty neat. I couldn't find too much info about it. Thanks!
So what if you have a Frankenstein? All authentic WW2 but pieced together with parts from various contractors? A rebuild, if you will, from various unservicable rifles, for whatever reason ... combat damage, poor treatment, etc.?
That’s perfectly normal for M1 Carbines. There were many contractors and sub contractors so parts will not match. It’s actually quite suspicious if all the parts are of the same manufacturer.
@@BattlefieldCurator Cool. Thanks!
@@garypulliam3740 same goes for M1 Garands and to a lesser extent 1903 rifles.
I was walking an M1 carbine around a gun show a few years ago to sell. It was a DCM gun w/box, a Standard Products post-war rebuild of a Standard Products with STD PROD RWK stamp on the stock. One dealer at a table asked to see it and asked me what made me think it was a genuine USGI carbine? I retorted what makes you think it isn't? His reply was that every USGI carbine was marked US PROPERTY! 🤨
Lol
I dont know - the history of this weapon suggests its history is less important than its functionality - its a weapon thats its manufacture (and to the point) is to NOT! being centralized. So adding value to any one manufacturer is inflated, because that's not what it was. example of my rant, id rather have a ROCK-OLA then an Indland, why? GM made the majority of them. smaller companies made less Inland a sub of GM - but in the "market" Inland gets the money. see? I have a Saginaw, i love it beacuse of its oddity - and it shoots every bit as good and an Inland...
Does anyone know anything about the m1 that has a metal heat shield about the handguard, no bayonet lug, adjustable rear sight with a high profile stock?
That doesn’t help much. What does it say on the receiver and/or by the rear sights? Should have a model or manufacture information
The Indiana Jones of firearms. Rugged cowboy meets intellectual. 👍👍
Found an Underwood for a reasonable price last summer. And a Christmas present for myself in the paratrooper model from Inland
Haha, the Indy jokes never get old! Someone at work said I need a bull whip. Great haul btw, it's getting harder to find the paratrooper models at a reasonable price!
@@BattlefieldCurator yes it is. Let it sit for a week before going to a local pawn shop to check it out. Thought Inland commercial reproduction at first because of the lever safety. My inland with the regular stock has the cross bolt safety. But after perusing some videos to verify the authenticity, bought it for a bargain
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Nobody really knows how the Commercial Controls were marked because none have been found. Commercial Controls originally was National Postal Meter and they changed there name of the company.
Interesting 🤔
@@BattlefieldCurator Yes it really makes you wonder what country has them. My guess is Korea or Vietnam.
@@OneofMyTurns hopefully the CMP can get some over here from those other countries.
@@BattlefieldCurator Right instead of Royal Tiger Imports because now there putting there import name on them and CMP doesn’t.
These Ones? we don't say These Ones. You are rare. :)
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So my carbine doesn't have a Manufacturer Label
You might have to get it looked at by someone with a lot of knowledge on them
I loved to get one but (IMHO) they are too pricy
you never know, over the last few years i have found some under 1k... One of them, it was an IBM, was already in the hands of its future owner when i arrived at the shop. I was about ten minutes too late for that one lol. glad another enthusiast was able to get a great piece of history though
Look under sporters & other . I have a rock ole& standard using this.
My Father said that exact same thing 40 years ago ! Still kicking himself 😂
They are pricey but I don't see that value decreasing as long as you take care of it. I just purchased my first m1 carbine for $1000 yesterday. Honestly you could probably find one cheaper if you shopped around but still I'm happy with the price.
Most Mil-surp are now expensive atleast compared to what I remember them growing up. I still kick myself for not buying a few of the rifles Big 5 used to have back in the 2000's.
Honestly if you really want a specific rifle the best time to buy it is probably now as there prices probably won't come down. Also if you can't find a deal locally get online. I managed to find a clean M1 Garand for under $1000 on gun broker with a good original barrel. Mind you it probably never saw combat as it was made the year after Korea. Meanwhile the carbine I got is WWII.
Any one have the Federal Ordinance manufacturered guns? Are they any good?
I’m not sure about those
no
our gun shop doesn't have the time to research every used firearm that comes in.