Extremely one sided debate with no presence of govt representatives as the three here are associated with opposition as the moderators spouse is a political leader
Indrojit is a batchmate and room mate and friend from TISS and he।has done a brilliant work, sadly this brilliance is misdirected and misplaced. I believe this book is more pandering to his UK peer academic community rather than make any serious dent in India. I wish that he came to India , stayed for a few years and then produce a book that is nuanced and truely reflective of current times. I don't want to comment on the other two folks in the discussion
Ambedkar actually says in that book "Savarkar and Mr Jinnah have same views on Partition". The book actually is a book supporting partition rather than denouncing it
@@Aashutosh_Payaal28 the fact of the matter is that the Hindu nationalists, who considered this land as sacred, were against partition even if they did think that the Muslims formed their own ghettos in this country. My point about Ambedkar's book is precisely to point out the selective appropriation of Ambedkar (who wanted a complete transfer of population) by people like Tharoor.
Muslims of present day India led the movement for Pakistan. They got what they wanted in 1947. They should have migrated after partition. Hindus/Sikhs moved to India. A near complete exchange of populations would have solved these tensions permanently.
@@nayanThaker That rare animal is a miniscule minority. One of the goals of Islam, clearly stated and repeatedly, is to create a caliphate which is basically a theocracy with sharia as it's law. If people still as naive questions like you do even after the fact that all most all Muslim countries in the world are openly Islamic (even countries like bangladesh and malaysia have Islam as their official religion) except for the ones who are under military rule (which turn Islamic the moment they come out of dictatorship) or formerly communist countries, where Islam is kept out of politics, I am not sure if there is any answer that can be given. Turkey was one clear exception, but it's pretty clear the direction that it is taking.
Every "true" Muslim wants a homogeneous cult followers only in a chuslamic caliphate that's the ultimate goal. So a tiny percentage who didn't vote to Muslim league were not "true" Muslim according to aasmani kitab.
India chose multi-denominational constitutional democracy. It's constitution is based on universal values. India did not choose a state on singular religion.
@indrajit, ... you say that India is too big for democracy to be wiped out. How so? Can you explain how the Emergency doesn't contradict your position?
@@sagarmohanty9655 Delusion is a good drug for an ignorant. Congress won't get more than 40 seats this time. Living in the Wonderlands won't serve You as well as Rahul Gandhi desired results. You need to get some work done on ground.
Whatever this nonsensical book Indrajeet has done with some surveys, it seems he has surveyed and then decided to put content which supports his confirmation biases.
Treating others with respect is not a tenet the minority religions are meant to practice! They believe and treat others with a sense of superiority,exclusivity and in some instances with contempt. You can spin it in any which way but the fact will remain! Bharat is what she is , only because the majority still are Hindus who are, in spite of their sense of inclusivity, still are made to feel apologetic! People like Dr Tharoor, a faithful to a family party, is not in a position to preach decency in democracy!
You make me laugh! Congress has only been out of Power for 10 years after ~ 1947 or for about 60 years. Have Patience. BTW Who is this Bengali from Sandeshvalli (representative of what’s going on in Bengal in the name of Democracy)? Never heard of him or seen him before - give introductions / biographies before starting so people can establish “qualifications” of speakers? Couldn’t even wait till the end - first few minutes of this program was enough.
The opposition bloc / INDIA has no big personality to put up against Modi but they do have a big advantage. They can get sixty percent of the votes in 2024 against NDA with forty percent or less. But can it translate into 300 seats? Let that happen a pm will emerge like in 2004.
Dr Tharoor and the Anchor should know that Presidential system the leader is selected by the Delegates in the Primaries. These leaders then stand for Presidential elections to be elected. In the Parliamentary system the leader is elected after the party is elected to a Parliamentary majority. The leader comes after the election results are announced
Elections are only one indicator. Compliance with constitutional values; respect for Rule of Law, and Institutions, which need to work sincerely and fairly for all the diverse communities and ethnic identities without bias or prejudices. If politicians are elected because of their appeal to religious vote banks ftom majority community. Then is that democracy or majoritarianism? And if the minorities are abused, stigmatized and targets of hate speech, then the country has gone over the brink into majoritarianism. And if people still call themselves democracy, those people need education. Indian concept of democracy? What are Indian traditions of electoral democracy, and when was it practised⁹?
No critical arguments presented here! Very shallow conversation. How come Nidhi survived journalism so far! Is she a Nepo Kid or at-least high caste / rich family that can afford to send kids to US! Call Salvator Babones , Anand et al people who can provide better arguments on either side of the aisle
@shashitharoor - by what mechanism should the people keep their elected member accountable in between elections? Anyhow, monitoring accountability is a fulltime effort, which the citizen that is consumed with living and providing for themselves and their family does not have the luxury of time to spare. The first responsibility of accountability starts with ethical party leadership, and then by watchdog institutions such as legal fraternity, judiciary, civil service, journalists that are not partisan. Lastly, put aside all the pontication, and rush to claim relevance even when not seen to be relevant, and talk about well thought out action plans that inspire confidence and energy.
Three frustrated persons about whom people care two tuppens. What an irony ,these and some more like them who have no people support discussing about democracy.
In view of the election of Rishi Sunak and coming election of Kamala Harris I find you remarks are very racists you have right to disagree with their politics but cslling names is not on.
Shashi Tharoor wants to be PM , Papus as his second, papasito as woman leader, and Mainos as President!!! Wow!!! What a Hindustani Bharat Desh will be!! Indians vote for papus!!
How do you get this recording to the PM who has become deaf to the concerns of people . All he wants to do is topple government and visiting every temple spending crores of tax payers money or money obtained from people who have stolen public money like Adani or similar
Maha chootiye log yahan aaram se bina kisi sankoch ke yeh sab baat kar rahe hain. Aur jab Congress ne democracy mein kisi ka kabhi poochkar kaam nahin kiya. Majority ko hamesha ignore kiya unke saath khela unke hiton ka kabhi nahin socha unko babaji ka thullu diya toh yeh taqla, aur uss ajeeb se mooh waale jiska mooh alien jaisa khulta hai Omar Abdullah ki tathakathit item nidhi razdaan abhi isko technically democracy bolte hain. Arre yeh democracy hota kya hai? Modern democracy sirf 300 saal purana hai. Hamesha rahegi bhi iska koi guarantee nahin. USA khud koi pure democracy nahin hai. Aur duniya ke itihaas mein 300 saal kya hai. Kya pata kab Islamic forces naye kisi tareeqe se aaye aur European cilivilzationw democracy ko tyaag de.
Talking about democracy, but the panel does not follow democratic norms!!!
Extremely one sided debate with no presence of govt representatives as the three here are associated with opposition as the moderators spouse is a political leader
29:10 Tharoor defending having 3-4 PMs every 5 years may justify coalition politics but the nation pays with decades lost to lack of progress.
Ohhhhhhh Havard Professor is there after long time 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
tujhe dasvi paas hai?
@@sagarmohanty9655aur tujhe
Indrojit is a batchmate and room mate and friend from TISS and he।has done a brilliant work, sadly this brilliance is misdirected and misplaced. I believe this book is more pandering to his UK peer academic community rather than make any serious dent in India. I wish that he came to India , stayed for a few years and then produce a book that is nuanced and truely reflective of current times. I don't want to comment on the other two folks in the discussion
Without any counter view this doesn't seem a like a democratic discussion .this discussion seems like you scratch my back I'll scratch yours.😊😊
Shashi selectively quoting Ambedkar....read his book on Pakistan or the partition of India
Ambedkar actually says in that book "Savarkar and Mr Jinnah have same views on Partition".
The book actually is a book supporting partition rather than denouncing it
@@Aashutosh_Payaal28 the fact of the matter is that the Hindu nationalists, who considered this land as sacred, were against partition even if they did think that the Muslims formed their own ghettos in this country.
My point about Ambedkar's book is precisely to point out the selective appropriation of Ambedkar (who wanted a complete transfer of population) by people like Tharoor.
Muslims of present day India led the movement for Pakistan. They got what they wanted in 1947. They should have migrated after partition. Hindus/Sikhs moved to India. A near complete exchange of populations would have solved these tensions permanently.
Read about the Hindu Mahasabha and Muslim League alliance in Awadh and NWFP.
What about the muslims that did not believe in a theocratic state?
@@nayanThaker That rare animal is a miniscule minority.
One of the goals of Islam, clearly stated and repeatedly, is to create a caliphate which is basically a theocracy with sharia as it's law. If people still as naive questions like you do even after the fact that all most all Muslim countries in the world are openly Islamic (even countries like bangladesh and malaysia have Islam as their official religion) except for the ones who are under military rule (which turn Islamic the moment they come out of dictatorship) or formerly communist countries, where Islam is kept out of politics, I am not sure if there is any answer that can be given. Turkey was one clear exception, but it's pretty clear the direction that it is taking.
Every "true" Muslim wants a homogeneous cult followers only in a chuslamic caliphate that's the ultimate goal.
So a tiny percentage who didn't vote to Muslim league were not "true" Muslim according to aasmani kitab.
India chose multi-denominational constitutional democracy. It's constitution is based on universal values. India did not choose a state on singular religion.
PAPPU and😢 Congress and democracy have no connection Congress leader who sells Anti india tirade calling it mohabbat ki dukaan
@indrajit, ... you say that India is too big for democracy to be wiped out. How so? Can you explain how the Emergency doesn't contradict your position?
After paying obeisance to the most undemocratic family in the world
for decades, Sashi Tharoor wakes up.
I truly agreed with them and love to see both of them more in such shows to inspires and educates the public
@sashitharoor, ... could you have explained the common platform for the alliance? All you offered was apologies on top of apologies.
Leftists vampanthi will teach us what is democracy...😢
Excellent retribute by Dr Tharoor on INDIA Leadership face ......
Is she that renowned Harvard Professor ?😅😅😅😂😂
What is sense in calling all anti govt views alongwith anti govt moderator? Atleast two side views be represented at a such high level meets
Its for people like you to enjoy
@@sagarmohanty9655we enjoyed and we will vote in 2024🤣🤣You see....You'll enjoy for next 5 years.
@@hsuyaarchives2526 Sane-minded people will stand up. Can't wait to see Sahabjee cry again. Mazaa ayega
@@sagarmohanty9655 Delusion is a good drug for an ignorant. Congress won't get more than 40 seats this time. Living in the Wonderlands won't serve You as well as Rahul Gandhi desired results. You need to get some work done on ground.
@@hsuyaarchives2526 You can get 400 seats but you will be forced to bend to the will of the people. the end is near
Whatever this nonsensical book Indrajeet has done with some surveys, it seems he has surveyed and then decided to put content which supports his confirmation biases.
Democracy starts with rights.
Treating others with respect is not a tenet the minority religions are meant to practice! They believe and treat others with a sense of superiority,exclusivity and in some instances with contempt. You can spin it in any which way but the fact will remain! Bharat is what she is , only because the majority still are Hindus who are, in spite of their sense of inclusivity, still are made to feel apologetic! People like Dr Tharoor, a faithful to a family party, is not in a position to preach decency in democracy!
Tharoor should support women representation in parliament to 33%
For God's Sake have some diversity in the panel
You make me laugh! Congress has only been out of Power for 10 years after ~ 1947 or for about 60 years. Have Patience.
BTW Who is this Bengali from Sandeshvalli (representative of what’s going on in Bengal in the name of Democracy)? Never heard of him or seen him before - give introductions / biographies before starting so people can establish “qualifications” of speakers? Couldn’t even wait till the end - first few minutes of this program was enough.
The opposition bloc / INDIA has no big personality to put up against Modi but they do have a big advantage. They can get sixty percent of the votes in 2024 against NDA with forty percent or less. But can it translate into 300 seats? Let that happen a pm will emerge like in 2004.
Healthy talk show.
Thank u all
Dr Tharoor and the Anchor should know that Presidential system the leader is selected by the Delegates in the Primaries. These leaders then stand for Presidential elections to be elected.
In the Parliamentary system the leader is elected after the party is elected to a Parliamentary majority. The leader comes after the election results are announced
Tharoor is not thorough !. His party was the first to meddle with institutions .
I truly agreed with Mr Roy
Should INDIA come to power, Shashi would be the most suitable prime ministerial candidate.
But he seems very disillusioned n out of touch wid reality,,,the only asset this man has,,,endles amount of bookish knowledge
They didn’t invite opposite view so they can run their own propaganda smoothly…😅🤡
Elections are only one indicator.
Compliance with constitutional values; respect for Rule of Law, and Institutions, which need to work sincerely and fairly for all the diverse communities and ethnic identities without bias or prejudices.
If politicians are elected because of their appeal to religious vote banks ftom majority community. Then is that democracy or majoritarianism?
And if the minorities are abused, stigmatized and targets of hate speech, then the country has gone over the brink into majoritarianism.
And if people still call themselves democracy, those people need education.
Indian concept of democracy? What are Indian traditions of electoral democracy, and when was it practised⁹?
What does she mean by " technically we are the worlds largest democracy"🤔
There is nothing technical about it😢
India is the world largest democracy 😊
No critical arguments presented here! Very shallow conversation. How come Nidhi survived journalism so far! Is she a Nepo Kid or at-least high caste / rich family that can afford to send kids to US!
Call Salvator Babones , Anand et al people who can provide better arguments on either side of the aisle
What about emergency Dr Tharoor?
30:59 🎓 sign of a learned leader
Step 1.
Vote them out.
Shashi Tharoor is lost in the Congress. His leader Pappu Khan is misleading everyone. Tharoor and Pappu have not solutions.
@shashitharoor - by what mechanism should the people keep their elected member accountable in between elections? Anyhow, monitoring accountability is a fulltime effort, which the citizen that is consumed with living and providing for themselves and their family does not have the luxury of time to spare. The first responsibility of accountability starts with ethical party leadership, and then by watchdog institutions such as legal fraternity, judiciary, civil service, journalists that are not partisan. Lastly, put aside all the pontication, and rush to claim relevance even when not seen to be relevant, and talk about well thought out action plans that inspire confidence and energy.
Extremely biased panel
Three frustrated persons about whom people care two tuppens. What an irony ,these and some more like them who have no people support discussing about democracy.
People supported Adolf Hitler
You go girl! U haven’t lost your punch despite climbing down from the NDTV gaddi (and btw, I laud u for walking away).
Kajol is a good actress
Nidhi razdan, does anyone care anymore?
yes parliment has gone and dead
Excellent 👍
Jokers are back here😂😂
Good program. Thanks.
Respecting minority.. then who will respect Majority??? nonsense
I don't understand who is fooling the people is it the people themselves as if they r listening to prabachan
In view of the election of Rishi Sunak and coming election of Kamala Harris I find you remarks are very racists you have right to disagree with their politics but cslling names is not on.
Stop this man from spreading lies!!!
When people r happy why r u all making n wasting ur time
Tharoor seems very disillusioned n out of touch wid reality,,,the only asset this man has : "endles amount of bookish knowledge "
That is crap what he is saying.
Shashi Tharoor wants to be PM , Papus as his second, papasito as woman leader, and Mainos as President!!! Wow!!! What a Hindustani Bharat Desh will be!!
Indians vote for papus!!
Thatoor is a useless
7:30
How do you get this recording to the PM who has become deaf to the concerns of people . All he wants to do is topple government and visiting every temple spending crores of tax payers money or money obtained from people who have stolen public money like Adani or similar
You people are daring against prevailing democracy 😂
Maha chootiye log yahan aaram se bina kisi sankoch ke yeh sab baat kar rahe hain. Aur jab Congress ne democracy mein kisi ka kabhi poochkar kaam nahin kiya. Majority ko hamesha ignore kiya unke saath khela unke hiton ka kabhi nahin socha unko babaji ka thullu diya toh yeh taqla, aur uss ajeeb se mooh waale jiska mooh alien jaisa khulta hai Omar Abdullah ki tathakathit item nidhi razdaan abhi isko technically democracy bolte hain. Arre yeh democracy hota kya hai? Modern democracy sirf 300 saal purana hai. Hamesha rahegi bhi iska koi guarantee nahin. USA khud koi pure democracy nahin hai. Aur duniya ke itihaas mein 300 saal kya hai. Kya pata kab Islamic forces naye kisi tareeqe se aaye aur European cilivilzationw democracy ko tyaag de.