Kamala Harris in the Multiracial Identity War
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Some of the push back is about how she used her “blackness”, especially on the backs of ADOS folk.
This is a good discussion! She’s from Afro Jamaicans. They were enslaved as well. I don’t know her family tree but guessing it’s along those lines.
@@nytnshe is most definitely a descendant of enslaved African Jamaicans, just like me. Not sure why it is so confusing for some.
@@Mimi-ht6xr The scrutiny is because some people use mixed race to tout proximity to whiteness to gain an advantage. Many of my racially ambiguous Creole relatives did this. They used their mixed race status to elevate themselves over Black Creoles. The very same thing happened throughout the Caribbean so this is not uniquely (US)American.
@@Mimi-ht6xr true, but all African American and Afro Jamaicans descended from enslaved people are mixed race to some degree. If African Americans were able to see their entire history throughout the entirety of the transatlantic slave trade, they would likely see some connection to the Caribbean in some way. Additionally, African Jamaicans with no known American connection find they have ancestors who lived and died in the southern part of the US. No need to draw so many lines between African Caribbeans and African Americans
@@GeeBee212 all of us descendants of enslaved people are mixed race to some degree. Light skinned people who used their skin color to their advantage are still descendants of these enslaved people. This phenomenon was the result of racism and colorism. It does not mean that Kamala doesn't have a Black identity. There are many wealthy, privileged people in the Caribbean and the US who consider themselves Black.
Her being born in America doesn't make her ADOS .
Who cares. She's still Black
Right..that’s the issue yet she cos plays as ADOS
No. That's true. Yes, Harris is a Black woman descended from enslaved Africans. But her ancestors were not enslaved in the US. It's unfair to deny Harris of her specific Jamaican heritage.
@@ScoobySnacksYum
The nations go by the mom so she is a multiethnic East Indian, her dna haplogroup would be East Indian which is Hamitic and typically a different lineage from American Black. Her genealogy also shows her dad was mixed with black Jamaican and white so she is multiethnic.
has she claimed to be ADOS? Seems she's claiming to be black (i.e., of African ancestry) which is a different conversation/point.
Most of us don’t consider her FBA (foundational black American)…black is not about skin color…it’s a mind state..a cultural..and lineage base…Jamaicans are not FBA…they are Jamaican …we don’t share the same culture or experiences
Amen
She is not FBA but she is Black. She visited Jamaica and India but lived as a Black woman in America. So while she is not FBA, she is no less a Black woman.
@@SoupBone-bp1qk …yes she’s a black woman…but she’s not a FBA black woman there’s a difference…there’s black women in India…Indonesia…Africa…Europe…once again it’s not a about skin but culture and lineage…a Haitian is not FBA…there’s ppl in other countries that’s blacker than me…doesn’t mean we the same
Once she claimed she grew up off Tupac music but couldn’t name a song should tell you she was perpetuating …
@cnote9233 With her policies, there's no way that she grew up on Tupac. Posing as "Cool" is not going to get it anymore. We need better people representing "the people ".
The reason some people question Kamala Harris "Blackness" is based on what her Dad said about their family tree and the fact she specifically said that she went to Howard in order to get a more "Black" experience due to her leaving in places where there was not alot of Black people around. While Jamaica is a majority Black country, one being from Jamaica does not necessary mean you have Black ancestry (on her birth certificate it said Jamaican for her Dad's race).
I could care less about how she identifies, the problem I have is based on her policies and how she might not have a full understanding of certain segments of black population who are not from an immigrant background. She refused to talk to a Black professional group, but had no problem using them for a photo op and it seems she tries to show her "Blackness" in stereotypical ways by going on the Breakfast club, listen to hip hop music, claiming she listen to Biggie and Tupac in college (when neither one of them was making music when she was in college), and having a party with HBCU student "leaders" rather than having a serious discussion about the needs at HBCUs. I think Kamala Harris needs to just be herself and not try to falling into the false narrative of being Black you have to act a certain way, but at the same time when Black people have legitimate questions about your policies don't brush off their concerns.
I see Kamala Harris in the same light as old friend of mine that is white, who shook everyone hands in straight forward manner, but when he got to me wanted to do some weird handshake. She lack experience being around different Black American segments of the overall Black population and unnecessary falls into the trap of felling she has to act in certain way around a black majority audience. It is going to be interesting to see how she does in this election and will she actually craft policies that with specific issues that Black population experience that is different from other groups or will she lean on that Trump is worst narrative that often times some politicians fall into.
I went to Louisiana to get more Creole experience. I had none growing up. I guess some people might not like that though.
Very well stated. You touched on some things that bother me about Ms. Harris. Her ",Blackness" seems forced and superficial at best.
@Mimi-ht6xr Why do you find it ridiculous that so many Black people "embrace a monolithic construct" if that's what was legally mandated and their norm? Do you find it ridiculous that White people created and embraced "whiteness" to oppress others? You have ire for the people who had no agency in how they were labeled, so they created culture around their forced identity, in a place where they were not seen as the default setting. They were in the minority. Enslaved people of African descent in the Caribbean, Mexico, Central and South America and other places did the same, the difference being they were the majority populations post colonialism, so when someone identifies as Jamaican, you assume that they are Black but Jamaican becomes the identifier.
For 59 years she has successfully navigated around Black people (aka ... "her people"). She's going to do fine. All Black people who did not fit exactly in some archaic, racist boundary of what it means to be Black have had their blackness attacked. It's 2024. I know why some on the other side are doing this to her but I wish Black people (esp. Black Democrats) would stop contributing to this nonsense.
It's funny DeSantis and other far right elected are wiping and canceling black history achievements and yall up in here quibbling about how black or how not black she is. Some of Trump's cronies are calling for project 2025, which would be very detrimental to socio economics of low income and people of color. They are trying to systemically depower and devalue us and beginning to enact hostile policies to set us back generations, but yall harping on stuff that is being overly hyped up to cause division amongst ourselves. I'm against seeing these right-wingers seizing power unchecked. So yeah, I'm voting for her or the best alternative, no doubt.💯
I am 71yrs old. ( Black/ Creole). I was ashamed to share my DNA results, past the African Ancestry and the 1.5% Indigenous. I am getting better at sharing 100% of me.❤
Welcome to the club. I also did my DNA and found out who I was genetically. What is really funny is that I have found many of my white ancestors, but my Black ancestors remain elusive.
@@fredrika27 I found my biological father’s family, in my 60’s.
I get DNA relatives updates all the time.( all races. ) Met my cousin on my bf side. We look like siblings.
@@stephanienwadieiiamhybasia I met many of my relatives from Denmark, the UK and the US who are white, biracial and black. A few months ago I called my bio-sister and am waiting to see if she wants to meet me. It's been a wild ride.
Me too I am eritrean afro dane gay in Denmark 😢 I get bullied for not being negrorid mandingo enough for White lgbtq aka KKK sexual preference 😢 I been called oraeo so many times which actually made me more introvert
@@negusafrodanedoll7940 I feel you here! The same happened to me as a child, but with my Black peers.
Generally speaking West Indians don't feel the need to say " I am Black" because in some of our countries (Jamaica, Haiti, Barbados etc) we are the standard. It is automatically understood that we are Black people. Everyone else has to have a qualifier i.e Chinese Jamaican, Chinese Bajan, White Jamaican, White Haitian etc. The same reason Ghanians or Nigerians don't feel the need to say they are Black. It is just understood b/c they are the standard. Everyone else feels the need to have a qualifier. So we are not denying our Black/African heritage, rather we love it, embrace it and celebrate it. We just don't need to have Black in front of it.
But it's not your race or colour it's ONLY your nationality. My father could never claim his Jamaican identity as a South Asian? Because African Jamaicans think it belongs only to them.
@@maryamkim1281l- Of course your father could claim his Jamaican identity but more than likely he would feel the need to say he is Asian Jamaican as a qualifier. Asians do not make up the majority of Jamaica. When a European says they are that, it is automatically assumed they are White. Same as Africans are automatically assumed Black and same as Asians are assumed to have a certain look. The standard does not need a qualifier. Others do.
Plenty of Jamaicans of Asian descent claim Jamaican heritage. That's not even relevant to this discussion though
Right? Tessane Chin, Lisa Hanna, Toni Ann Singh, all proud Jamaicans of Asian descent, and if any non Jamaicans ever try to fight that, Jamaicans immediately start with “Out of Many, one Nation” Jamaicans are extremely proud people, and although the majority of us are Afro Caribbean and descendants of the slave trade, Jamaica’s rich diverse culture is seen everywhere. Frankly, this to me, is a ridiculous discussion. Respectfully, I feel like people need to pick up a book.
EXACTLY 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Wouldn’t it be interesting if she became president and then that would be two black presidents of which neither one had any connection to black Americans. Obama’s father was from Kenya and her father or ancestors are from the Caribbean
That is interesting, I didn’t think about that.
@@nytn Not that interesting when you it's pretty obvious that the majority of presidents have zero connection to African Americans .I don't recall ever folk getting animated that trump mother was a migrant from Scotland but the issue always is folk grumbling that Obama & Harris are children of folk who was not born in the USA and so therefore as Americans The other fact is Barbados before Jamaica was the first biggest dropping off of enslaved people from the west Africa regions now called - Ghana ,Benin &: Togo ,ivory coast ,Nigeria and even Angola Just check the British colonial slave manumission records in its Carribbean outpost that tells it's own story Many from Barbados after a period often ended up in other Carribbean islands inc Jamaica and then some from their eventually ended up to north Carolina to continue their forced incarceration in the American concentration camps neatly called plantations .Many African American ancestors in these concentration camps were previously in the Carribbean concentration camps control British folk
It would not be interesting because it would just be the status quo in regards to race here in the USA. It is easier to digest other blackness and not native blackness. Obama and Harris would be guilt free blackness that many can accept.
@ravena3253
Yes, her dad is mixed and the white side did own slaves.
@@bluetinsel7099 Her dad had 2 Afro-Jamaican parents.
Black Americans are Genetically different then all these other boxes.
Do the race surveys ask if you are Black or Black American?
What?
You sound dumb we all came out of slavery what you think because your ancestors land in America makes you different bro your dumb
@@sr2291I'm from a different country and it's not on that survey only black he's been listening to those fools on the internet 😂😂
@@blackallday I have never seen a race survey say Black Anerican.
In the US, "Black & African American" historically refers to Black Americans who descend from people enslaved in the U.S. The category has just been renamed by the govt over time. She is Indian & Jamaican. She is not Black/African American ethnically. The pushback is color and ethnicity are being conflated. She is not African American. The "one drop rule" literally has nothing to do with Kamala or her family history...that is an American construct rooted in U.S. slavery to which she has no connection. Jamaican national identity literally does not automatically mean someone is "Black" even if their skin is brown. That would be like saying someone is automatically "white" because they are American. Black Americans have a right to determine who is a member of their ethnic group..just like i can't say im Jamaican-American if thats not my actual background.
Black Americans do not have a right to say who is considered Black or AA. Not sure why you think this is true. Descendants of European whites who are born in the US call themselves white. Similarly, descendants of Africans born or naturalized in the US call themselves Black or African American and there has nothing you can do about it.
There *is* nothing you can do about it. Just keep making up arbitrary rules to divide Black people for no apparent reason.
Wrong! Jamaica is 90% African Ancestry and they ARE Black and proud. You are confusing race, ethnicity and nationality. Jamaicans may be of a different nationality and ethnicity/culture (food, customs, practices, linguistics etc) from Black America but racially and historically (transatlatic slavery) Jamaicans and other Caribbean people are Black African descent, just like Black America.
Are you really trying to imply that Africans weren’t enslaved in a Jamaica? Indigenous Jamaicans were the Arawak…and she is not Arawak. She is descended from the transatlantic slave trade just like any other black person in the US.
You are very wrong slavery begin before the us became us, actually it begin with Florida was still a part of Spain an even before when sugar plantations were in the islands Jamacia being one of those islands an you mean to tell me with all the technology in the world you refused to look up info about Jamaicans!!! " Interesting"
Marcus Gallo has an interesting take on why some of your ancestors do not show up in your DNA tests! The video is called "Why you don't descend from all your ancestors". You might like it and it is thought-provoking!
She is Indian and black and has the right to identify with both of those identities.
Jamaican and Indian. She has no USA born ancestry. She has no American Black relatives.
When have you heard Kamala Harris ever say that she's black? So how can she identify she's black when she doesn't use the word to describe herself?
@@nysaxmanBrother she identifies as black and has said it on multiple occasions.
@@andremiller1566 Yeah, she's mentioned it so much she said as president she will not do anything specifically for black people.
@andremiller1566 what is your point here? Her Dad is black Jamaican yes and she is still an American citizen. You would be surprised by the amount of black Americans of Caribbean heritage when doing research..
Interesting that the GOP candidate is married to somebody of Indian ethnicity. Two people who ran for president on the GOP side were Indian, Ramaswami and Hailey. This is the most presence that people of Indian ancestry have had ever in US politics.
I was thinking of this also
Coz the kids of the first generation of Indian immigrants are finally reaping the fruits of their parents labour and their own hard work. You can’t deny Indian Americans are brilliant high achievers and work really hard
Where I currently live was 85% white in the early 2000s. Now the neighborhood and school where my grandson goes is 95% Indian. I am wondering what the % of people from the middle east is here in America
Her Dad is Jamaican and her mom is of Indian heritage. No her family didn’t experience what the so called black community of America did. And no she is not one of our people.
Actually her family did. Her father is Black. He is also Jamaican. She might not be ADOS but her roots are like very many Black Americans' roots.....mixed.
@@wluke5136 speak for yourself. You don't know what she experienced.
Her father is half white and half black people just keep saying Jamaican so people assume that he's black😮
@@contribution741this is a ridiculous comment. Her ancestors both owned slaves and were enslaved. Think why this is true and also true for almost EVERY Black American or Black Jamaican? Some of her white ancestors r*ped her Black enslaved ancestors. This is true for almost all of us. If we are descendants of Enslaved people, then we ALL have these white ancestors in our family tree.
@@brandonleemossher father is not half white. Where are you getting these assumptions from?
No one has the right to tell you who you are.
It is not their business at ALL! Identity is personal.
Exactly!
If you want komala use you as a prop just to get votes and then throw you away like she's done it so many others and that's your business but she's not black and no matter how much you want to claim her she is simply not😮
Identity is in the mirror
Put that on a loan application and see how that works for you.
Then she should stop pandering for black votes.
It's her character, her character makes her culturally not black, she's Jamaican and Indian.
@@creoleking206 character doesn't change your ethnicity.
@@ThatSuzanneSchmid nothing changes she is Indian Jamaican woman not an African American
@@ether158 nope. She is not a Jamaican citizen, she is a US citizen. Use some common sense. She's Black American or African American and Indian American.
@@ThatSuzanneSchmid But.. cultural experience has everything to do with it.
@@ThatSuzanneSchmid woman, being a blackish person in America doesn't make you an African American, it's an ethnic group, you can't just say your an African American.
Which wouldn't be a problem if she wouldn't keep on trying to claim us for conviency
She’s not of Black American origin, but Jamaican. Former president Obama as well, he was of East African origin.
Completely wrong. She is of American heritage if she is from Jamaica as you put it. Jamaica is part of the American continent. You can goggle it. Please check your facts before you spread misinformation. You can say she is not of us heritage. I hope you are not from the US and so that can explain your misunderstanding.
Jamaica is on the continent of America therefore in your terms she is black american. She is not of Black US heritage. Separate the continent from the country. its on any map.
@@kavk3874 did you even bother to read my comment before you replied? Yes she is NOT of black American origin. But since you wanna be all technical, which American continent are you referring to? North or south? She is in fact Caribbean which is apart of the NORTH AMERICAN continent! So that makes her North American. And let not play ignorant games, when I say Black Americans that mean black from the USA. We all know that America is synonymously known as the USA. And no, black Americans(USA) and blacks Caribbean are not the same culturally. She is not of black American(USA) heritage!
@@trese2658 it is a incorrect term and i do not accept that synonym. therefore your statement "She’s not of Black American origin, but Jamaican" is wrong. anyone from the americas is american. the americas is north and south america. therefore she is a black american. if you said she is not of black us heritage I would have agreed with you. be precise with your language and geographical terms. saying black american is such an archaic colonial term.
@@kavk3874 tomatoes tomatoes. You really just wasted your time commenting trying to so called “correct” me but yet you still understood what I meant from the beginning. And who cares wtf you don’t ACCEPT? People as a collective recognizes the term “America”as the USA, even people of other countries says America as in the USA.
I read an great interview of Sonny Hostin who us Afro-Latina who has a Puerto Rican mother and Afro-American father. She embraces and loves both her heritages. In the interview she commented that "people ask 'what are you' because they are trying to decide how to treat you." I think all the controversy about Kamala Harris (and other mixed raced persons) is that by getting a person to choose one over the other is part of the social structure and strategy of re-asserting the rigid racial hierarchy that has dominated Western history over the last four to five hundred years. Unfortunately society has been "hard-wired" to think and operate this way, but as we move forward I hope to see this change.
Just like Kamala she's also a descendant of slave owners. Ever see her embrace that side?
She is not Black at all.
Neither are you
1/16 melanin
@@ThatSuzanneSchmid she is one 16th Melanin
South sudanese is black ❤ u are not especially with ur socialized mindset of the western world ❤
Get rid of your slave mentality your free now that was our ancestors I rather her over the white oppressor 😂😂😂
I’m confused why we’re using the 1 drop rule, if it was created by racists to keep people down! Can someone who knows more about this please explain to me? Thank you.
@@ChristinaMBasler racists are stupid which is why the one drop rule was overturned. It didn’t work as they wanted but created political blackness in that mixed race people were then aligned politically with blacks as it limited the privileges of association with whiteness.
It’s still useful to combine as a political block which is why those who seek to distance themselves from blackness are suspect politically.
I am confused too. Jim Crow literally rules American culture. Crazy.
I guess it's because it means that mixed race people had the "black experience" mostly, so they can identify as black.
But I don't get how that applies to Kamala, as she her ancestors weren't in America at that time
@@skeletalforce9673 that rule had nothing to do with being born in America. You could be a black person from the UK and as soon as you step foot in America it would apply just the same.
No one questioned Obama's blackness. He's African and white.
A lot of African Americans aren't just saying she is barely black she is not African American and she tries to relate to African Americans by trying to act "down" when her African lineage came from Jamaica but she didn't try to play up being Jamaican during the first election. She's at Soul Food restaurants eating fried fish with hot sauce.
@@thewordsmith5440 she was born and raised in the US. Why would she play up being Jamaican?
Pretty sure they eat fried fish with hot sauce in Jamaica. Well I’m very very very sure
@@apriljoy1094It's very nice. 😊
@@ThatSuzanneSchmid Because the U.S. has a big population in certain cities.
@@apriljoy1094 Soulfood resturants are very specific to African Americans you guys can stop playing dumb. Plus she was lying about listening to Tupac.
I am part Mexican, both by national origin and the tendency of conflating Mestizo with “Mexican”. My paternal grandfather was from Oaxaca, and was definitely Mestizo. Dad’s mother was Irish and Dutch, and he looked Italian, which was not a benefit in California in the 1920’s or ‘30s. I look like Wally Whitebread.
Identity is separate from appearance. Kamala Harris is West Indian and Indian, not from US Black heritage, but she has made her political career identifying with that group.
@@tomhalla426 I agree with you wholeheartedly!
When I was a kid I remember asking my father if I was Mexican. He asked me where was I born. Of course I responded America. He then said that's what you are. In terms of race I've always seen myself as Mexican or Chicano. I certainly did not identify as white American, and still don't. I've also always known that we have strong Spanish roots, but recently find out that I'm a direct descendent of Montezuma II the Aztec Emperor, via his daughter.
Her Tamil Hindu mother made that decision to have her daughters identify as Black when she raised them in a Black neighborhood in Oakland, sent them to a Black church, and sent VP Harris to an HBCU where she pledged a Black sorority. She has identified as Black most of her adult life. Her father is a Black Jamaican is and identifies as such. I always identified as Black because being a contemporary of VP Harris, back then that's all we had. We now have other options, if we choose to exercise them. No one gets to tell me how to identify.
@@Mimi-ht6xr From what history I know, the “one drop” rule was post Civil War Jim Crow.
And sadly, she's not contributed anything positive to the African American community in terms of using her power and position to help benefit the community.
I’m from Louisiana the one drop rule applies no matter if you look White, Creole and Mulatto categories meant you were mixed race Black; that one drop rule says you’re Black, it’s racial divide and excuse for mistreatment.
This is 2024, we’re not operating in obsolete and abolished Jim Crow rules! If you are MIXED race(s) you can choose how you want to identify yourself. Personally, I identify as Multiracial because I have 4 different races. I have always identified that way. I was raised by a French Canadian step father (English/Irish/Cherokee father) and MGM mother. I think the Blacks can’t accept she has a European American husband. I also had a European American husband and boyfriends when single. Everyone has a right to be who they are!
Keep in mind where the "one drop rule" comes from and why. If the white patriarchy said it, then it must be true.
The Supreme Court ruled against the one-drop rule in 1967. Today it's mostly self imposed. Most white people don't classify mixed people as black. Typically they're offended when multiracial people only claim black ancestry. Now, most legal documents allow you to choose more than one race/ethnicity and also on the census.
I'm from Louisiana and the one drop rule is very pick or choose depending on your looks
thats an insult to even think your state still embraces slavery. Mixed race people are NOT black!
The future of our planet is multiracial. Period!
So is its history.
So is its history.
The planet has only one race and if we're not invaded by aliens, it will remain so. However, new groups, cultures and ethnicities have always formed as people migrated, went to war, formed alliances and otherwise came across each others paths in large numbers. The planet will continue to be multicultural. Exclamation.
No its not!! Go to India and tell them that!! Go to China and Japan and tell them that
Brazil is multiracial and discriminates native americans (the few people left) and blacks and some were murdered. It's your destiny. Not for all.
For me your black if you come from two black parents. Period. Kamela is not black, but a mix of her parents.
She black in this country period end of story.
She didn't have a Black upbringing either.
Not all black people in America are 100% black or from African decent.
@@Galidorquestwhats a black up bringing? Actually you are 100% incorrect. Her parents were civil rights advocates. Also she went to a BCU.
@@rustydevil7192 She went to Howard, which is an HBCU, but going to an HBCU does not mean anything in the greater context of things given HBCUs have been historically open to all students regardless of race (though with a focus on Black People and other races was prevent to going because of segregation laws). Rachel Dolezal went to Howard too, but she is not Black.
It's nothing to do with the One Drop Rule. It's that she is not of the ethnic group assigned as Black, IN AMERICA. She's not of that same lineage group. Her mom is Indian. Her father is Indo-Jamaican (Indian ethnicity but born in Jamaica). It has nothing to do with her melanin or phenotype. Not to mention how she likes to jump in and out of both when beneficial.
As a Black American, it's disrespectful and insulting. She wouldn't try to wedge her way into the Jewish community the way she has done to the Black American community. It's not a coat or costume to take on or off to take advantage of whatever benefit may be garnered.
@@bingkychic she has every right to consider herself Black American, just as I do. How dare you try to force people into some racially constrained box. Also, her father is NOT Indo Jamaican
@@ThatSuzanneSchmid yes her father is clearly black
I think if she had married a black man, she might get more black credit. Living with a man being oppressed by the system would have given her a more realistic overview of the « black experience. ». Michelle definitely helped Obama.
@ravena3253her father is predominantly of African descent
For some black Americans there is a deep resentment for mixed race blacks because the perception, whether true or not, is that mixed race people have a better life. So as punishment for that, they are "put in there place" by being told they are "not one of us" hoping to make them feel some pain of rejection. By doing this, that resentment is satisfied because now things are even.
Most African Americans are mixed race.
It's not because she's biracial, it's because blackness is like a costume she puts on and takes off to suit her needs, while the majority of us aren't able to do that. Also, she's not African American, but she co-opts our history and struggle for political gain. When they put Obama, Kamala, and others out front and say that these are African Americans, it seems like they're trying to erase the descendants of American Slavery. Kamala is black, but she doesn't have the same history as us.
Mixed race are still favored over blacks studies validate it
Yes, it's sheer sadism, revelling in cruelty.
She's less than a quarter black bruh,she's literally more indian than anything
This is an African Diaspora issue. All our ancestors were on the same boats, just dropped off in different areas. The country may influence the culture but at the end of the day, when black ppl do not have an option to farther identify by country, we will always choose black
Different countries have different laws and different types of slavery. We are all connected as humans, but that doesn't negate the laws. We still have legalized slavery in this country with Mass Incarceration, and I can see if she used her political power to free our people; no, she went full-on white racist top-cop overseer
and joined in on locking us up and enslaving our ADOS men in these for-profit prisons so they could fight fires for a dollar a day. Destroying generations in the process. Those of us who love justice and want prison abolished don't and won't support her for these reasons.
Which boat was Kamala mom on?
@@LFranklya I mean, if you want to base it on parents, her dad’s ancestors were kidnapped and enslaved on the foreign land of Jamaica. And if you want to get biblical, she is black because of patriarchal lineage.
@@mariahmoore9355 her dad is not African. Did she or her dad ever say he was of enslaved decent? I haven't heard it, idk correct me if I'm wrong.
@@mariahmoore9355 and here we go with this Bible stuff. Ezra 10 the men that mixed with other women were cast out the tribes.
Man the problem is she's never known to claim blackness until it was politically beneficial. She claimed indian
But Americans find Indian too alien. All they know is black or white. Even if she claimed Indian, they’d still see her as a black woman coz she looks like her Dad
Yeah! She's both.. and identifies with both as she should. Black and East Indian
She's have Indian a quarter white and a quarter black that does not make you a black person 😡 in considering her history especially as a prosecutor targeting in the black men and withholding evidence no saying black person should even consider hers one of us😮
She has zero Black American ancestry. None. Not one Black American can say thats my cousin.
Obviously that's not true. She is American and considers herself Black.
@@brandonleemossDid she prosecute innocent men? Did she put innocent men in jail?
@@PoppiLife79 did she do anything to reform discrimination against blacks whilst she had that role - nope. Has she done anything for blacks whilst in power - nope.
Why are people assuming black people will vote for her if there’s a better qualified candidate or that she unifies anyone. Who has she unified so far?
Trump is a threat to democracy there should be a presidential and VP candidate that enthuses voters not one that’s just not Trump.
I love your channel you just dont help Americans. You help all us humans realize the value of our identities while being mixed in this modern world.
I don’t care about her race but I do care about her Administrations’ motives.
And what do you think her of administration motives?
@@mostlysunny582 just like any other candidate , we’ll find out.
@@mostlysunny582 look at the border
@@starwarsguy185 I see it clearly, but I'm asking for this person opinion.
@AngieELLMMM "like any other candidate" thats quite vague. Could you elaborate? Or you're not sure since you replied "we'll find out"?
People should be able to embrace all of who they are. One heritage doesn’t negate another. Culture, race, ethnicity, phenotype…it’s all very complex.Thanks for addressing this issue. ❤
Kamala's heritage is her own business. She knows what she is.
She's not black sir and it's not her business when she cosplaying as something she's not to just to pander for votes.
I agree with this man
And she knows she's Black (only when it suits her).
Yes, no need for the politics of designating something onto someone.
@@Neoyorchese You can do it with extroverted people they are open to new ideas and opinions from people it's the introverted people that get crazy when people say controversial stuff
👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿 I hope Kamala truly embraces all parts that make her her.
None of those parts are African American 😂😂
Embracing all of her heritage should not involve claiming she is a Black woman!
#StopTheErasureOfBlackWomen!
#StopTheMisogynoir!
Nobody (including BW, sadly) knows what a “Black” woman is, but Black men know what a black man is. If Kamala were a man, she wouldn’t get to claim she is a black man. If Kamala were a man, yes, he could claim his heritage, but HE could not “claim” black manhood among black men! Black men don’t even let their biracial boys claim to be black men.
She's as much repeatedly.
Divide, divide, divide
Tell that to the black families she broke up and people she put in jail . The families she broke up in my state and kids she had taken away ... She's trash
You’re commentary is going to very important for this coming election
I don't care what she is, or says she is. She's not getting my vote, period.
I respect that. This was just a convo about the way we discuss identity in public spaces
She was Indian in 2016 and she is not a descendant of American slavery. She is a descendant of immigrants, which descendants of American slavery have no connection to.
That is so far from the truth it was painful to read. Blacks were also enslaved in the West Indies, and South and Central America not just in North America. Enslaved Blacks in the West Indies were brought to the US in an attempt to break their will because they were starting slave revolts but they started slave revolts in the US too so they were eventually banned from being taken here. We have more in common than not.
@@SoupBone-bp1qkthat wasn’t their argument. Lol
@@omariparker3769 just stop. Your comment is very uninformed. She was not just "Indian" in 2016. She has been very consistent about heritage. Also, it's ignorant and incorrect to say that descendants of American slavery have no connection to Caribbean immigrants. You clearly do not understand the complexity of the transatlantic slave trade in the US and the Caribbean.
@@SoupBone-bp1qk I cannot go to Jamaica and be accepted as one of them. I know blacks were also enslaved all over the Americas and there were people moving *during slavery*. Kamala Harris does not come from those people. There is nothing I said that was wrong. Don’t be so triggered.
But again she's Indiana from her mother's side and her father was half black and half white...
She does not identify as black just because she joined a aka sorority😮
Yes!!!!!!! (For the record, I strongly feel you should be allowed to say both to being Black
and White too). And race isn't her qualification. She worked as a prosecutor, for over 20 years and was an elected official for about 15
Did you know that the actress Kristen Kruek is not just Eurasian, but also is of Jamaican ancestry? Her grandmother is a Chinese Jamaican immigrant to Canada and Jamaica has of the biggest east Asian diasporas in the Caribbean.
Her Jamaican grandmother has Black ancestry.
@@ScoobySnacksYum Kristen Kruek's great-grandparents were Chinese laborers who worked on the Panama Canal but settled in Jamaica where a large Chinese diaspora already existed. And yes the Chinese have a long history not just in the Caribbean, but Jamaica also...a product of Britian's rule over Hong Kong
Yes, in Jamaica Kamalah may be considered as a Coolie which is a type of mix.
@ScoobySnacksYum no Kristen Kreuk is not black. Lots of Chinese came over to Jamaica (and other Parts of Caribbean and Latin America) as laborers and didn’t mix with either black or white Jamaicans. Indians did the same. You can see a lot of Indians in Belize and Guyana for this reason.
@@ScoobySnacksYum- No, that is not true.
As a Black woman from Louisiana, I can say that the problem, for me, is not that she is multi racial. The problem comes in when she uses her blackness like a cape. She pulls it off when it suits the situation, put it back on to fit in or to pander to black people. It can be very disrespectful and disheartening. These are serious conversations that need to be had to heal this type of deep wound in the world's caste system. America needs to be honest about color being used as a weapon.
VP Harris's father wrote an article for a Jamaican newspaper some time ago about his multiracial heritage (iirc, he has both West African and European ancestors). She's really a blend of different cultures and I agree that it's only fair to embrace it all.
@@KA-hr3cn this is not unusual, but describes almost every descendant of enslaved people in the US and Caribbean
@ThatSuzanneSchmid it isn't unusual but a lot of people like people to not talk about it, especially if that "mixedness" is very recent.
She has zero African American ancestry. She chose her people when she married. She not like us.
So you agree. She’s not black
@@apriljoy1094 never said she was black because I wouldn't call her that.
Good explanation. As a “Creole”, Black/ Colored/ Afro American/ African American were what I experienced living in the USA.
I was an adult, before I could accept “Creole “ as my identity as a “mixture of many different races and ethnic groups “.
black people don't mess with kamala
@@womenandsonDad ? What does that mean?
@@ThatSuzanneSchmidshe's the problem not the answer😮
@@brandonleemosswhatever. Plenty of Black people support Kamala because they don't want the alternative
@@ThatSuzanneSchmid both sides are going to screw us over 🤔 I'm not voting in the main election I'm only going to vote in the local election.
You vote for Kamala Harris you're going to get more migrants and more immigration here
Can you vote Trump you're going to get a police system where they can be judge jury and executioner.
Basically both sides or a threat to black people we really don't have a dog in this fight
We do deserve better options.
Look at her sister and how brown she is. If Kamala looked like her sister, she would not be questioned at all. It's all about phenotype in America and how America views you.
Phenotype isn't just skin color.
I think that her sister "looks" more Tamil than VP Harris, who looks like a light skinned Black woman, like my Louisiana and South Carolina family. She embraces each of the heritages that make her uniquely her ,but she has identified as a Black woman most of her life. Her Tamil, Hindu mother decided to raise her and her sister in a Black neighborhood and sent them to a Black church. VP Harris attended an HBCU with a few friends of mine and pledged AKA, she is my sorority and my sands. President Obama was not raised in a Black community at all, but also identifies as Black. The combination of both their phenotype and experiences led them to identifying as Black.
I am very ambiguous in appearance due to my multigenerational tri-racial background, however, I identify as Black. Those of us born in the 1960's to early 1970's, weren't questioned about our Blackness because back then you were Black, White or Hispanic. We most certainly didn't look white, and we didn't speak Spanish so that left you one other option.
There were advantages to being forced to pick a box because that box was security and you knew where you belonged and who your community was no matter how pale your skin or straight your hair. I understand how those boxes can be very restrictive for some.
Yes we would because her dad doesn't look full black and her mom is Indian so she is less than 25% black. And she is also not African Americans she is Jamaican American a totally different culture she has the child of immigrants experience we, black Americans have the politics of being apart of a caste system in America. In Jamaica she isn't even considered black she is considered a distinct word that they call people with Indians and Black admixture.
@@thewordsmith5440 I have always heard them say coolie. What would you say that Jamaicans would call her?
In Jamaica she would be considered Black although she is mixed.. Stop the lying.
She is mixed but so is the majority of the West Indies AND Black America.
Kamela is not solely black, but a mix of her parents.The one drop rule was never the status quo across the United States. It's unfair to limit her identity as so.
It actually was. Those of us born in the 1960's, who are multigenerational, tri/bi racial, have options now that didn't exist back then. I have had young people try to convince me that I'm not Black and to identify as mixed, biracial or tri racial. I explain to them that I have one identity but many ethnicities. I identify as Black. Kamala's 1964 birth certificate lists her Black and she has identified as such for most of her life. I just wish people would leave each other alone about this already.
@@GeeBee212 i disagree when you mentioned about Kamala identified herself as black most of her life. There are some interviews of her saying she identify as half black and half indian. She used her mix background for her own personal gains.
It's KAMA-la. That's just for starters. And being Black is not limiting. Your statement drips of a racist worldview. Saying that she is Black does not deny anything. Only a racist worldview would see it as such. Blackness to any degree is not exclusive of anything else.
@@TingTong2568 Let me ask you...set side the exclusivity assumption of your statement. Ok, the question: what sort of sorority did she belong to? Was it "half Black, half Indian"? (By the way, I get why some don't capitalize Black...but shouldn't you know to capitalize Indian?).
@@GeeBee212 It has to be discussed, especially in terms of how mixed people are more palatable to some people and are therefore used to represent people to whom they have little or no alignment. It’s a form of erasure.
In terms of politics it particularly has to be discussed as tokenism often is transparent. Part of Hillary Clinton’s loss was caused by her claiming to represent women and enthuse voters to be the first female president but having no record of doing anything to represent women politically or got to her position despite her sex.
She used her womanhood to try to benifit her politically without putting in any work for the group and it was transparent.
Do you really want a repeat of 2016?
She is mostly Indian
and u are mostly an incel...
@@Hybrid_vigour how so?
South Asian and White, which is what she looks like. She’s at most a quarter African
@@ThatSuzanneSchmid
She is half Indian again half Indian...
Her father was mulatto he was half black and half white....
So yes she is mostly Indian
She is not one of us and she has a history of targeting us😮👎🏾
@@brandonleemossnope. She is definitely like me. My father was African Jamaican too. I am African American as well. Her father is not mulatto. Just because you make things up and write them in the comments does not make them true.
As a multiracial American, I really connect with your discussion about Kamala Harris's racial identity. My dad's side is Trinidadian, with roots in West Africa and South Asia, plus some distant Venezuelan heritage. My mom's side is white American, with German, Dutch, and French Canadian ancestry. Despite having a Portuguese last name, I don't identify as Latino since my family doesn't speak Spanish or Portuguese. Yet, people often initially assume I'm predominantly of Latin American or North African origin based on how I look (think similar skin-tone/hair type as Slash from Guns n' Roses).
The history of the "one-drop rule" and how society views race adds a lot to this conversation. Kamala Harris identifies as a Black American, even though she has African Jamaican and Indian American heritage. This really shows the personal nature of identity in a world that likes to put people into neat categories. The old "one-drop rule" oversimplified and often erased complex identities, which is something we're still dealing with today.
I appreciate you exploring these critical views and highlighting how our society struggles with allowing multiracial identities to stand on their own. I think it's important to understand that identity is multifaceted. Everyone should have the right to define themselves without facing unnecessary judgment. Sharing our experiences helps create a more inclusive understanding of racial identity and representation, and for that, I really dig your channel.
Human is a race and you are referring to ethnicity and culture as race when they are not the same, to be multiracial would be human and nonhuman mixes.
@@bluetinsel7099 Thank you for your perspective. You're correct. By refer to being multiracial, I mean that I have ancestry from multiple ‘racial’ groups or ethnic backgrounds within the human race. I certainly didn't mean that more than one currently existing species of the Homo genus are what I meant by my ethnic background. In common usage, multiracial usual refers to those in the sense of ethnic categories often termed multiracial. Whereas race, ethnicity, and culture are distinct concepts and all contribute to shaping our identities. My comment was focused on discussing the complexities of racial identity, especially in the context of societal perceptions and historical influences like the "one-drop rule."
@@pseudoname3159
Yes, as for the “‘racial’” groups I get that you mean ethnicity, but when it’s said as multiracial it actually means human and nonhuman and not different species of human, but more of human and an animal etc. many people may be multicultural or multiethnic but multiracial would be along the lines of the show SweetTooth which is about human and animal hybrids.
She doesn’t have African American heritage but Afro Jamaican and Tamil Indian hertiage
@@fabbeyonddadancer Correct.
Most black people are multi-racial. Those of us who grew up in a non-American household don't have confusion about this. We have people who have a non-black parent and still have a strong black identity. We also don't kowtow or see ourselves as less than others. Culture is also important.
Culture is important! Which is why I feel so much for those who are adopted and remained disconnected
Multiracial people are not most Black people ethnically. They are MIXED with higher percentages of other races. Black people with the preverbal raped slave ancestor would have low percentages up to 10%. Anything over that shows Mulatto, Biracial, Multiracial and Mestizo heritage(s).
You mean most Black people in the US, not globally. Only 4% of the world's Black population live in the US. 96% of Black people live across this massive planet we call Earth, let's keep it in perspective especially since this is the World Wide Web.
Black in America is very difficult, because there’s so many people that are black but they know what they are. You could ask any African-American what are you? They’re going to say well my grandmother always said we had Indian.
They only have a strong black identity because they are bullied into doing so, or their non-black heritage or culture is sidelined, silenced or crushed.
I just watched a video that stated Judge Brown (black) knew her professor father and he always identified as Irish-Hindu. Her birth certificate states her mother is Caucasian from India, religion Hindu. Her father is listed as "Jamaica" under race with nothing under where he is from or religion. They say his family were Irish slave owners. People say her grandmother was a servant listed as swarthy. So of course I cam to your channel to see if you traced her family. She went to school in Canada from Kindergarten to 12th grade. I think you should trace her family for facts. I believe that video would go viral.
To me, she is Indian. Her parents divorced when she was very young. Her mother and extended maternal family raised her to revere Indian culture which is normal because they didn't know anything else. Her father lamented in his memoir that he didn't get to see his daughters so she didn't absorb his culture. I guess the divorce was quite bitter. My two cents
As if your qualified to say who is an Indian.
Yes, children take the nation of their mom and she is multigenerationally mixed East Indian or multiethnic East Indian as her mom was.
@@nickb839 as if you are qualified to say I cannot state my opinion.
She’s not “black “ she is Jamaican and Indian. She is not American, she is Jamaican. You are confused. “Black” is fictitious.
Black is the way my family was censused for a long time
@@nytn does that make you a descendant of Africans? “Black” therefore is not a race or ethnicity, it must be a classification of status.
it's a status, yes
In this world why we can't just be human beings and people. Kamela Hadiss is part East Indian and Black her father was Jamaican and her mother East Indian, she graduated from Howard University, Traditional Black College and a AKA Sorority her culture is Black I have personally met Kamala Harris, she is a woman and a Human Being, married to an American Jewish man.
It almost as if there are consequences when you have the largest transfer of peoples from against their will in the history of humans
no, she has put to many black people in jail.
She put many innocent black men behind jail as a matter of fact she's on record of concealing evidence of their innocence😮
She is very much a problem to the black community
And she is not like us😮
Our country makes the mixed or as I like to use Multiracial issue, so complicated even while being aware that in 2024 we should have progressed away from archaic views. I look to the day, when we celebrate the vast diversities that make us, who we are. Without the pressure of those questioning our allegiance to the Black community in my case or for others any other racial groups. Years ago I travelled to Scotland with my boyfriend and while I was there I wanted to research my last name. The Scottish last name and the mixed heritage on my family tree were acquired through usual historical channels in this country. Even being aware of this, doesn't lessen my interest in learning about these people. It's part of my unique story.
We went into a shop that assisted with this type of research, and I was able to look up the history of my name and its clan. I had the information printed. I remember the shopkeeper calling me, "cousin" then hugging me. He jokingly called my boyfriend an outsider, because he had no Scottish roots. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone just operated like that, instead of picking apart what they see, versus accepting the factual data? We didn't ask for these components to be apart of our DNA stories-- they just are. Thank you for another great topic and video.
lol hard topic to talk about with out getting political so ima sit this but love the videos 😂😂
No politics in mine! I should get an award 🏆
I really like the idea of uniting based on what we all have in common instead of focusing on minor differences. ❤
exactly
Harris picks and chooses her identity when convenient and for political gain. She’s Jamaican and Indian. That’s her ethnicity. Black, Black American as functional identities are ethnic not racial. Either way the one drop rule is American not Jamaican, her issue isn’t about being Black enough or even having mixed ancestry. She simply isn’t Black on either a racial or ethnic basis. She’s not us.
Harris just wants the Black votes. Being African or having African ancestry is not enough to be Black American. She would need to be connected to the people here, which she’s not
She was not raised in Jamaica and had limited contact with dad, so she is more ethnically Black American than anything else
@@ThatSuzanneSchmid her dad is still Jamaican and her mother Brahmin Indian, w/ a good chunk of her teen years were spent in Canada. Either way your ethnicity doesn’t change being born/ raised outside of your home country. To be Black American you need to actually be related to one.
@@kanggeorge4781 that’s BS
@@kanggeorge4781her mum is an ethnic Tamil. Brahmin is a caste title. Stop regurgitating that nonsense that Judge Joe Brown spouts.
@@compactcasette Wasn’t quoting JJB. Even if I was, you haven’t refuted the argument, Harris is not ethnically Black American.
I've seen some things questioning Harris' blackness. To me it doesn't matter. I'm black and have red hair and freckles. People used to think I was mixed black/white. Some Jewish people have asked if I was Jewish. To me I am me; the sum total of all of my ancestors known and unknown. I get my sense of self from my nuclear family. I love who I am, therefore I love being black. Most of the time I forget I'm black until I interact with other people and they treat me funny. Then I have to stop and try to figure out why they're treating me that way. It isn't always because I'm black. Sometimes people are having a bad day and are mistreating everyone they interact with that day.😂
As an afro Caribbean person there is a little known fact that after slavery to support the operations of the sugar plantations the British introduced immigration from India and China. The impact was such that ex colonies such as Guyana and Trinidad have an Indian population that represents between 40 to 50% of their populations. The issue is that in the Caribbean the mixing of Asian and Afro populations is not as unusual as in the United States so Afro Caribbeans might not see her mixed ancestry as as great a conflict as in the United States.
In the US both the Asian and Black minorities don't mix as much (wont even pretend that in the Caribbean there are not tensions between the groups) but on the whole are a bit more accepting of each other. The complication in the US stems from the fact that, India has invested heavily in training and export of professionals (medical finance it etc) so a lot of skilled professionals have migrated and been trained and settled in the US . They have achieved some levels of success in different fields (i.e. heading fortune 500 companies) and are seen as "model immigrants" (by the right wing) who pulled themselves up by their bootstraps as opposed to the lazy dependent ":afro descendants" of whatever stripe.
So we have seen Indians such as Nicky Haley, Vivek whatever and Tulsi being embraced by the American right (divide and conquer I guess) The Indians have not exactly distanced themselves from the right (to be fair Indians are also represented on the left as well). So I can understand Afro Americans reservations, does this person understand and identify with me and my struggles or do they look down on me and my culture and perceive the challenges faced by Afro Americans as being their fault.
The British didn’t introduce “immigration” of Indians and Chinese to the Caribbean.. after the African slaves were freed, in order to replace them, The British lied to Indians to bring them over as indentured labour to replace the Africans and entrapped
Her father makes it clear that they are not black they are from India migrated to Jamaica it is a big deal her records is dirty towards black people
@@ninasimone3765 this is untrue. How can you just make up things and post untruths with no concern?
Her parents met in Berkeley. That's where she was raised. Not in Jamaica.
Donald Jasper Harris was born in Brown's Town, St. Ann Parish, Jamaica, the son of Oscar Joseph Harris and Beryl Christie Harris (née Finegan)[6][7] who were Afro-Jamaicans.[8][9]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_J._Harris
@@dlmarh76 recently edited.
@@mike_MT_jonezstill true
No one is saying she is not black .
She is not an American descendent of slaves ! ( We are our own people )
It's offensive to me that ADOS lineage is treated as if anyone has a right to it.
Actually several people are erroneously claiming that she is not Black on this thread.
That nuance gets lost in discussions online. She's multi-racial (I don't subscribe to the one-drop rule). Her Blackness is different from those of us with parents and grandparents who survived Jim Crow and that's ok. However, she did grow up in this country with similar experiences to Black Americans who came of age in the 70's and 80's. She faced the same challenges as Black Gen Xers, so I think that's where the conflation begins. Don't expect nuance in conversations in the media about her race and ethnicity. You will be forever disappointed.
Correct. People need to learn the difference between race and ethnicity. Black Americans who're the descendants of enslaved Africans of the US are a specific ethnicity with their own dialects, history, art, etc.
Harris has never said that she is ADOS, however. Instead, she has claimed being Black, which, as a descendant of Black Jamaicans, she every right to do so.
She’s a hundred percent descended from the transatlantic slave trade…what do you think was happening in Jamaica? Black people just there for the vibes? They were enslaved. They were taken forcefully from west Africa. They just happened to land in a Jamaican port instead of an American port.
@@basicallyno1722 very well but they are not us.
I'm Grenadian-Canadian. I'm 53% European (Scotland/England/France/Germany) and 47% West African. I accept and honor all my ancestors. I'm not white, I'm not black, I'm mulato.
In the early days of the civil rights movement all people of colour were classed as black. Over time this has changed. Today it mainly means people of African origin. However Kamala is both her heritages. We do not have to be apologetic about claiming both. Changing your racial identity over time is largely to do with changes in society. This is true not just in America. Perceived advantage taking in this context is ridiculous. You rightly point out the pressure to take one heritage as identity, it comes from family, schooling, social expectations, societal norms, and political pressures. Bringing her dual heritage as well as her not inconsiderable talents to the position she is now in is a plus, not a negative, first and foremost she is American, and understands that, next she is a fortunate American because she has risen quite high, and after that she is a woman off mixed heritage who is proud to acknowledge that and yet still speak to all people, all Americans.
I also just wish to say I have seen an uptick of negative posts about Indians in recent weeks. So honestly I do think in parts of America nothing has really changed since the early days of the Civil rights movement, or something has significantly reverted. That one drop thinking is very deeply embedded so much so that people often invoke it without even knowing it. Quite sad to see for someone like me whose mum used to educate at a distance from the 1950’s because what was happening in the US was relevant to us, here in the U.K.
No. It is simply not true that all people of color in the United States were classified as Black. That is not how race has ever operated in the United States. For instance, having distant Native American heritage was something that white Americans used as a way to claim a right of control the American lands. This is in contrast to African heritage, which had to be hidden by white Americans. Moreover, American law specifically outlawed immigration of Asians while it allowed Black immigration from the Caribbean, for instance.
@@ScoobySnacksYum yes, I understand about Native Americans, but frankly their rights were not really respected or upheld either were they, and mostly they were encouraged not to be part of the mainstream back then. As to limiting Asians in the US there have been Asians for a very long time otherwise how were there internment camps for them. As I understand it they helped build many of the railroads. I am 75 years old, from the U.K. with family and Friends in the US and know that back then in the early civil rights time there was no real acknowledgment in main stream society that those groups really had any part to play in American life, even though they existed. It took the late fifties and early sixties to rip that myth apart.
“Black” and “African “ are not synonymous!
Really? How is that?
@sq3004 because black implies that your ancestors came over via the slave trade and are not “immigrants” in the sense everyone else is. African recognizes that your family came over willingly within the last 50-80 years and are immigrants. Their culture is not going to have the unique blend that black Americans are going to have.
Kamala is black. She’s not “African-Jamaican.” She’s partially black-Jamaican whose African ancestors came to Jamaica during the transatlantic slave trade.
@@CaribbyanDoll-xoxo you do know there are white Africans right? They were born in Africa and if they get dual citizenship they are African American. 😁
Exactly. That's the part people don't understand.
@@jimmyjam5453But they're of European descent. They're not indigenous to the continent.
Your skin is glowing what do you use? It's giving dewy glow from within!
She uses the tears of racist who post nonsense in her comments to keep her skin glowing 🤣
Aw thank you! Vitamin e oil 🥰
Hahah
She is Not Black , Black is an ethnicity if your ancestors were not reclassified as Black on the 1860-1870 u.S census you are NOT Black
Many many of mine were. I dont think I would be seen that way though. (or should?)
@@nytn and have identified as Black for the last 20 years ? You can have Black Ancestry and still not be a Black American I have emailed you several times to talk on your show I would say you are Bi-ethnic /Multi -ethnic with Black American ancestry
I have not seen those messages!
That comment makes no sense. Black as a descriptive and ethnic term relates to more than just Black/African Americans.
@@SoupBone-bp1qk Black is a Lineage /culture it makes all the sense my Entire Bloodline was reclassified to Black and I can prove this with u.S census Records , birth ,death certificates and Land Deeds
Hi Danielle! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this complicated issue. Great video and thanks for the share. Health and blessings to you and family.
thank you so much!
@@nytn, welcome!
The issue isn’t her being multiracial. The issue is the fact that she is not Black American. Her ancestral blackness is from Jamaica. Her black ancestry is not Georgia, New York, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Kentucky etc. etc. etc. o amas black ancestry is from Kenya. He is not Black American.
They are both Black, citizens of The US. Quite plainly, they are Black American or African American just like if someone of Asian descent becomes a citizen they are Asian American
Vice President Kamala Harris graduated from Howard University (an HBCU) and pledged AKA (the first Black sorority in the U.S.). That says a lot about how she celebrates and embraces Black culture, and for alot of people in the Black community, that says a lot about how we see her.
It says absolutely nothing. It's plenty of white people and people of color that go to HBCUs. This is the same goofy logic as saying that Bill Clinton was the first Black president because he ate fried chicken with hot sauce and played the Sax on Arsenio. No one is saying she's not Black; what we are saying is she doesn't share our lineage, our history, our multi-generation epigenetic trauma, nor did she inherit the poverty of slavery; her dad came from wealthy Jamaican enslavers, and she is the child of affluent immigrants that came here on educational visas. She also grew up in Canada. America wants to celebrate how far we came from Slavery and into the White house, and we have yet to have one person whose ancestors picked cotton and built that very damn white house in there. No matter how you chop it, she doesn't share or have any connection to our lineage, culture, yes, or lineage, no.
Goin to an HBCU , bein raised around Black Americans doesn’t make you Black this a Lineage you cannot immigrate to
@@akeemthegreat1700 she is of African descent. She has every right to say she is part Black. It's part of her ancestry.
She isn't Black American. She isn't OUR ethnicity💪🏽🖤1 She is black in context to race though.
The issue here is that there is no single name for people who're of the ethnic group of people who are descendants of enslaved Africans in the USA. You say "Black American" while others say "African American" or "Foundational Black American" or "American Descendants of Slaves." For sometime, "Black American" was synonymous with all people of Black African ancestry possessing American citizenship. In the 1980s, African American came into vogue as a way to describe Black Americans based on place of origin since most Black folks did not know the specific country or ethnic group of origin.
That said, you did have people like Shirley Chisolm who considered herself Barbadian American, noting her ancestry from Barbados.
Anyway, it is a bit disappointing that we haven't had a Black American who is specifically the descendant of enslaved African Americans come close to the presidency.
@@ScoobySnacksYum I say ADOS, FBA, FREEDMEN and Black American or Black with a capital B💪🏽🖤1
@@ScoobySnacksYum They will never have an AMERICAN DESCENDANT OF CHATTEL SLAVERY in any real position of power in the USA. We love all and accept all but a number of these other black ethnicities we have accepted and authenticated over the last several decades via PROXIMITY to US(Black Americans) are NOT ON CODE with ADOS, FBA, and FREEDMEN agenda. It is what it is and we are finally starting to see there is no alliance with "brown" ppl "POC" or any other demographic or ethnicity. We are on our own because we didn't arrive to this nation the same and our his/her stories are not the same. Prepare well. When Trump wins in November, America as we know it, won't exist anymore🌬
Technically she's not mixed race because race doesn't exist. There's only one race the human race. She's ethnically mixed. I'm Anglo-Indian and I'm ethnically mixed as well.
I've been through the not white enough for some, and not Indian enough for others.
I'm Anglo-Indian, Eurasian and have always been happy with myself, my complexion and my heritage.
Luckily for us, my brothers, sisters and me, we have always been accepted and loved by both sides of our family, so what outsiders think never mattered to us.
I want to point out that colonial India had a form of apartheid and Indians were restricted from certain places in our own country.
I was born in Bombay now Mumbai, and raised mostly in London and New York.
The human is a species not race.
It’s really sad that in 2024 we have not moved past race and skin color. People also made fun of JD Vance’s beautiful wife because she’s from India.
People aren't making fun of the fact that she's from India, but the fact she is a practicing Hindu. Vivik has gotten the same criticism from evangelical Christians on the right.
Usha Vance is from San Diego, USA.
Her parents are from India.
We live in a country that was founded on race and skin color. Those two factors are what has shaped America and continues to.
It's a nice thought, but divorcing ourselves from systemic WS, in which "racism" thrives will never become reality. This is a country that pretends to be about human dignity , high ideals and justice for all, yet certain people are relegated to certain neighborhoods. Certain people find themselves incarcerated more than others; or stopped and profiled more than others, etc., etc. Sadly, race and division is what America excels at.
People also make fun of whites. And what does that mean anyway? I am so tired of everyone using race in general. The Democratic party has thoroughly enjoyed using it. It literally caused some of my family members to start calling other family members, not black enough, or you are white so check your privilege, or more black than you, etc... when we had all just loved each other no matter what since forever.
The more people make videos on this stuff, the more it stays alive. Doesn't matter the exact context. It is race baiting to have titles and covers like this period. I have seen the Republicans keep it going too. I can't stand it.
I love culture and history so much, but I can't appreciate politicians or commentators using it tied to politics. I seriously thought this was all becoming a dead horse, but here we go again....
@@JessJoanne you like how Anne Colture basically called Vivek unfit for the Presidency because he's not a White Anglo-Saxon Christian?
I was born a midwestern WASP, but now identify as more than one drop K - Hive.
For those who claim Jamaican black is insufficiently American, I say the whole Western Hemisphere is Americas, and I believe Jamaica is on our continental shelf.
United Statesian doesn't roll off the tongue easily, but it is hubris for us to monopolize the "American" label within US borders.
I agree. I dared not mention that fact because these commenters really don't seem to appreciate facts
KAMALA HARRIS for PRESIDENT. "MORE THAN QUALIFIED." Definitely Earned It. Through, HARD WORK, DERTIMINATION & a FIGHTING SPIRIT, to be, another, BRILLIANT, personification, of the, AMERICAN DREAM.. Thank You President Biden, for your, HISTORY MAKING, Leadership. President Biden, is a Straight Up, OG, with Class..
Lol delusional
Gotta say it again. I love your channel Danielle! And you sure know how to pick a hot topic. It's still amazing to me how much you look like Lola. 😊
We All Belong To The Human Race all the rest is dividing BS
Tell that to your elected poloticians... good luck!
That's not how the real world works. Never has. "We all belong to the human race" is nothing more than a bumper sticker slogan. In the real world it means nothing.
Not how reality works.
We all belong to the human race but not all of us are treated equally or even as human. To pretend otherwise, does a great disservice to the experiences of humans past and present.
@@ScoobySnacksYum we all belong to the human race, but white supremacy rules the world. which is why blacks in Kamala Harris's position should speak out against it. but they don't because they'd lose out on the perks of being in power and they'd endanger themselves. There's a reason Malcom X, Dr. King and Fred Hampton was eliminated.
I remember my mom telling me that when she came here from Italy everything was confusion. When she entered the first grade her name was changed from Maria to Mary and from then on everything that happened to her was a way to destroy her Italian heritage. You must forget where you came from , you are now only American. I would love to see you , Dani , give a talk on assimilation and the trauma it had on youngsters.
The horror of being treated equal as an American no matter where one came from.
She's an American. Some Americans are browner than others. It happens.
@@XHobbiesPrime We all know that she's an American. However, that is not at issue.
@@phyllisfoster6589 Anything else is petty and trivial.
@@XHobbiesPrime yes, exactly. She's not showing any loyalty to India or Jamaica. Her whole life is in the United States so she shouldn't be treated with suspicion just because her parents are not American born.
No one's questioning whether she's American.
@@XHobbiesPrime Ugh! That's really insulting & dismissive to the experience and reality to Native Americans and Black Americans, the two groups who have historically suffered the most because of American racism.
I think it's also political because Trump said. Otherwise nobody would really care so much if she identifies as Indian and Black.
Because she herself has only identified as Indian before running for president. Both parents were not citizens when she was born. Her mother is Indian, and her father is half Indian and Jamaican. So that does not make her one of us. Not a Black/Negro American. So, she is more Indian than anything.
@@diannadanyahdandridge8569 there is no evidence that her father is half Indian. Perhaps people are just confused that that part of the world is called the West Indies 🤔
We share the same ancestry. Do your research regarding how slavery affected more than just us state side.
Its not a war. She's mixed race. She's Jamaican Indian.
She is not a Jamaican Indian. Her mother is not Jamaican at all, but of Indian descent. Her dad is Afro-Jamaican
@@ThatSuzanneSchmid Her father is Jamaican and her mother is Indian. She is of Jamaican Indian heritage. Hence mixed race. Nothing I wrote was wrong. She is not African American nor black. Good day.
Thank you!!
✅ not black
✅ not like us
✅not my candidate
I'm both. I'm just Kamala. My father is black and my mother is Indian. I'm biracial. I claim both races. A good movie to watch on this subject is "Mississippi Masala" with Denzel Washington 🤨
Loyalty is everything !!!
Yes and if she has said anything to show her loyalty is to India or Jamaica I haven't seen it.
That's fine. As long as she is loyal to her birth country - the United States of America
Her mother and father are both 🇮🇳. They are Jamaican citizens. Jamaica is a country not a ethnicity. Kamala Harris is a Indian woman; Period.
Trump 2024
@potheadzassociation6338 I agree that Jamaica is not a race... this is mistake that many make. On the other hand, her farther is clearly a black person. Skin tone is a way to define race, but it isn't the only way. Just like blood line(s) is not an only way to define race.
BTW Kamala has a good chance of winning the election, wouldn't it be ironic is 2 Black Women beat Trump.... 1 in Court and the other at the Ballot Box. OK, let's have it your way... 1 Black Woman beat him in Court and an Indian Woman beat his at the Ballot Box. No matter how you slice it, Trump will be beat by Women of Color, who are smarter than him.
She is not black her mom is not black and her dad is not black
Her dad is Black but good job making things up
She is def a part of black community, she has a father who is BLACK. Not a great grandparent not a single ancestor she isn't Johnny Depp her name is Kamala she is half black and half indian. The fact that people are confused in 2024 about mix race is nonsense. She isn't fully black but she is a part of our community slavery and immigration happened in the island and Jamaicans are sub-Saharan decent and WEST african. My great grandfather is south asian and Yemeni, I am mostly african descending but my ancestry is what it is noone can change that
she can't really identify as black American if her father was east Indian and west Indian. so she's 25% or less Island Blk.
She was raised in the US as a Black person. Of course she can consider herself African American or Black American
@@ThatSuzanneSchmid imagine coming back to this video on different days to reply to people! LOL get a life dem
In what continent is Jamaica in ? is it not America. Is there a new continent Jamaica is in now.
@@kavk3874 talking Country not continent.
you dont call Blk Brazilians, Blk Americans.
We re all from one race. From one race comes all other races.So let's not argue .
If she's not black enough for you; she's black enough for the rest of us to vote for her.
Who cares about color every time. It's the heart that counts.
I'm so tired of black haters,
(e.g., how dark, hair, mix race. struggles) whitin our black communities, abroad.
Madam President, got my VOTE!.....
Yes, her lineage is African-Jamaican slavery, it is not African American slavery. Just as Carribean countries are pursuing reparations under CARRICOM without African Americans, we need to pursue reparations in America without the Carribean countries. We want her to embrace her full lineage. Not be restricted. Just be honest. You may not be able to tell she is not culturally ADOS, but we can. We would expect her to pick up a few cultural items, but so would a white person that went to a Black college like she did. She has been estranged from her father and his family since a young age. She spent summers growing up in India with mother's family. And quite frankly, her policies and enforcement as Attorney General in CA was detrimental to many black males and females. Her Black female support is driven by the Black sorority/fraternity societies she joined at the Black college. They would support her if she was Hannibal Lechter. That's what they do for their members.
She is Indian and Jamaican and not Black American; there is a major difference. People need to stop assuming all Black ethnicities are the same, too.
Very well said. Let us all be in control of our own identities.
You believed a man can be a woman and vice versa!
@hairyape3935 - didn't mean that. Meant ETHNIC / RACIAL identities. You may identify as a dog, but you're still human. Gender politics are not part of my "identity discussion."
My mother is Puerto Rican; My father is Jamaican, Native American, and Black...When they ask me what am I, I say either Afro-Carribean or something similar, but as long as people know that I fully embrace all aspects of my ancestry
Danielle, great job discussing this topic. It’s interesting that people are asked (not required) to declare their ethnic background, “for statistical purposes”, on the census, on medical forms, on legal forms, etc.. But in day to day life, the people living in America who are not obvious members of the White majority feel pressure to define themselves by their race because if they are not White, they are made to feel “less than”. That’s so unfortunate. And unfortunately, the White majority refuses to acknowledge this, because they don’t need to live this way.
I have traveled to West Africa, and have been in cities where I was the White minority. Setting aside the cultural differences that I needed to learn, I was treated very well, and warmly welcomed everywhere I traveled. I was never made to feel “less than”. I wish it was the same way in the USA.
And as you said, everyone who is part of this country should only need to consider themselves as “Proud Americans”, with no need to insert an ethnic or racial descriptor between ‘Proud’ and ‘American’.
Keep up the great work.
Well, if multiracial identities are fluid, then naturally, so are peoples acceptance of those professed identities, across time, societies, and groups. How you view yourself and how others view you are co-legitimate.
I'm not a huge fan of Kamala & think it's disgusting all the insults I'm seeing about her online.
If you knew her history you would understand! What she did to the black people in my state of California is disgusting!!!! Please research her. Please research her history please..
@@DeformedPrettyboyLA2DABAY I just finished watching Jimmy Dore latest episode.... eye opening ...
@@JESUSWONTHEWAR he definitely would have put her on blast. She is a horrible person. She fell in and carried out the agenda. She purposely would knock back cases with evidence for people that were wrongfully convicted. Let's not mention her sleeping with Willie Brown the mayor of San Francisco while she was 29 and he was 60. This opened the door to her career. She's foul. People refuse to look at her for what she really is. She had one job to secure that boarder. She hasn't been here once to witness what's going on. She haven't address the numerous physical assault and women being ended by criminals being allowed into the country. Try going to let's say Australia and being from another country and committing Acts like these and watch what happens. The influx of fetanol has effected my city directly. Last year 800 plus fetanol overdoses . This year 374 so far. That's just in my city. If people vote for this woman they are either highly uneducated about her or they just don't care and are voting her in not to fix our problems but culturally and socially biased reasons.
@@DeformedPrettyboyLA2DABAY exactly 💯. Guess I'll stop feeling sorry for her getting insulted. Every politician goes through it .
@@JESUSWONTHEWAR she's a horrible person. If she becomes president of this country we are in trouble. People think it's going to all fun and games.
Name one multiracial politician at the national level who has not identified primarily with one racial group. The simple fact is that the politics of race in the US force politicians to pick a single racial identity or have one picked for them.