How Greeks Became White (in America)
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
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Explore the complex journey of Greek immigrants in America and their process of becoming accepted as "white" over the course of the 20th century, including efforts of organizations like the American Hellenic Educational Progressive Association (AHEPA), which played a pivotal role in helping Greek immigrants navigate and overcome these racial barriers. This transformation reveals the fluid nature of racial identities and the impact of socio-political movements in reshaping perceptions in America.
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Hello I am Greek, and I am sorry to dissapoint but MANY MANY Greek men are very bad people. It is shocking how uneducated and misogynistic some of them are. I get harrassed CONSTANTLY by men and every time I am shocked, because everytime they manage to outdo themselves and be even more insanely stupid. The women aren't good either, most of them think as if they were created to be abused by s t u p i d men, and then they turn around and degrade other women because of it. Some Greek people are great, open minded and kind... but that is RARE in Greece. Everything the Americans were saying about them back then is how I would describe the ones that live in Greece now.
In addition at least the Americans gave them a chance to become better people, they said that if they clean themselves up and find a job they will be accepted, and they were accepted. However right now in Greece ALbanians DO NOT get the same treatement as Americans gave the Greeks. For Greek people an Albanian will NEVER become a human being, let alone someone who is worth to live in Greece. Albanian small bussiness are constantly sabotaged in the worst way possible, even in good neighbourhoods .,..
Even I have been a victim of racism in my own country for being too pale and looking Russian... and I mean I have been through A LOT!
Greeks didn't "became" white, Greeks **are the definition of white**, the benchmark to compare one self for whiteness, the more away you are from being Greek the less white you are, the reason white has any meaning isn't because of the yanks killing native Americans they are because of science e.g mathematics (Greek word) physics (Greek word) philosophy (Greek word) because of architecture (e.g white house is based on Greek architecture) and so on and so forth actually there are thousands of Greek words either direct loans or emglized in the English language (disaster, polymer, nike, ok, telephone, architect, economy being just a miniscule sample )and because when other people were savages and barbarians Greeks had democracy poetry built Parthenon's schools theaters etc .
Saying otherwise doesn't make the Greeks less white just shows how brown the person is who speaks out those ridiculous uneducated and ignorant opinions (Michael Dukakis who is of Greek decent, was an elected candidate of presidency of the united states in 1988)
As a Greek man who lives in Greece I have to say that we are white people English people are pink and they see all other people like they are black
English Germans, Danish wants a world with divided to North white masters and south mixed with blacks people as their slaves.
That's true. I'm white as milk. What people don't seem to understand is the fact that most of the year we are 'tanned' giving us a darker complexion as a Mediterranean country with lots of sunshine plus my family and I have blue eyes
Pink???????🩷 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
As a Greek person living in Canada for the past 2 years , I used to think the same.. But no. We pass as white. Culturally we are not. We are more like the middle east than west Europe. ...
@@rosafilippidi6440 Of course we are closer to the middle east! I live in England for the last several years! We can, as well as the westerners can, imitate each other but this has a limit and it's mostly for practical issues!
Deep inside we are like from another planet!!!
Took a DNA test and my Italian blood is LOADED with Greek ancestry! 🏛️
You're welcome!
Eastern Roman Empire vibes
I met an Italian girl with such heritage once: Alesandra! She could even speak some broken Greek my sweetheart.
But your results is not a suprise. Ιt happens all the time in both sides of Greece: Asia minor and Italy due to Greek colonization and Eastern Roman Empire's majority's population which was Greeks. Turks making DNA tests are shocked with the results! All of the Asia minor's population are Greek converts to Islam either by force or to escape being 2nd class citizens/slaves and pay taxes to the Sultan.
Anyway, regarding south Italy here is a documentary out of many out there ua-cam.com/video/Kxq8TpSDn8k/v-deo.html. The famous poet Konstantinos Kavafis once said that at 17th 18th 19th centuries, one could travel easily from Egypt to Romania and from Cyprus to Southern Italy, the holy land or Crimea, without speaking anything else than Greek. There were many Greek scholars who opposed the Greek 1821's revolution as "we r taking the Ottomans from the inside. We are their the bankers, the diplomats, the merchants and doctors" . There is a 1873 letter from a French diplomat in Cyprus writing back to his government "We need to stop the Greeks creating the state they dream off, because that state will be stronger than ours".
Ofcorse with no suprise modern "Greek" politicians, these puppets of the Germans and the Americans, don't five a f*ck about Greek diaspora anywere as like most of European governments they don't believe in such constructed, ancient, old fashion, anachronistic terms like Nation, blood, motherland, heritage etc. I really want to visit beautiful southern Italy, to meet maybe the last decendants of my Nation's history there before they ll go extinct after thousands of years. Not that metropolitan Greeks doing better 😢. The state is replacing us all!
it was called Magna Graecia for a reason
Thats normal.
Culturally the Greeks had more influence on Western culture than any other group. We studied Greek culture in Middle school and High school
Every semi educated person is aware of this!
This is why I’ve always been surprised by the racism and prejudice against the Greeks and Italians.
@@KRW3321 Surprised that most people know nothing about their culture...
It is not surprising at all, most people are ignorant.
@@KRW3321 In Western Europe there is a prevailing opinion that the ancient Greeks and Romans belonged to the Nordic race (this was used by the NSDP as well) and that modern day Italians and Greeks are degenerated Slavs and Berbers, hence the hatred against us. Funnily enough, the two groups that received the most hate (southern Italians Sicilians and Greeks) are the most direct descendants of these influential cultures, but in the eyes of a Nordicist who has romanticized the Ancient world as an Aryan Utopia this sounds absurd
@@boeotian-warrior Western Europe was blessed by the contributions of the technology of the metalurgists and the technology of the farming societies. Obviously the former were from further north and the latter were from further south. The Greeks benefitted from both and Europe benefitted from the Greeks
Even today in Australia all us Mediterraneans especially Greeks, Italians, and Lebanese are considered ethnics and ‘wogs’ compared to the Anglo population. Race has always just been an illusory differentiation between Anglos and Non-Anglos.
Why illusory?
There are clear differences and you are well aware of it.
@tobiasphilippwittlinger8753 Nobody’s aware because most people think dark Europeans like Javier Bardem and Penelope Cruz are Non-White, we all look diverse in the Mediterranean. This is how subjectively ridiculous race has always been.
I’d really like to do some videos on the parallel history in Australia
@@nytn Similar story different continent if I am not mistaken they allowed immigration for the first time in the 60ties, or even later I am not sure on this one, from mainland Europe.
Before only British people were allowed to go there.
@@tobiasphilippwittlinger8753 he Anglos in Australia were of criminal origin. If I'm not mistaken, Britain used to send their CRIMINALS in their colony, Australia.
The old photo of the Greek men on the ship proudly holding up the Greek flag ❤ I find that so endearing.
I felt the same!
I’m Greek and that photo touched me so much too
You mean when they were transplanted here from Turkey ?
May modern day Greece rise again and find the strenght of their ancestors.
What a Volk and Culture❤️☦️🇬🇷
That will never happen my friend! England made sure of that when they gave Constantinople to the mongols after ww1. They said it was strategically too powerful of location to give back to Greece.
@@GorgeousGeorge97 my friend from your mouth to God's ears!!! I pray it happens in our lifetime!!! Turkey has gotten away with too much playing everyone
@@GorgeousGeorge97περίμενε τους Ρώσους εσυ
@@GorgeousGeorge97 you think russia will do that?? turkey is their biggest ally right now!! doing this would mean theyd lose an even bigger ally. plus greece is in the NATO and in EU. Russias interests dont lie with Greece, sorry. yall better wake up before a WW3 comes up because we will have to choose wisely which side we are on!
@@gregchris418Well they main problem is that we bicker among ourselves..
As a Greek person with relatives in Australia, thank you for this video. My grandma's brothers all had to change their names in order to be able to work and even walk on the street without getting called "wogs" and other slurs. They shifted their surnames "Lekatsas to Lucas, Ioannou to Johann, Kanaris to Connor etc"
Funny as now they call themselves wogs in Australia. I saw a coffee van called wogs with a van. For me it was very strange coming from the UK.
Don't you see the ignorance of what you wrote, pure ignorance sad and in 2024 this is still going on.
@@LifestylesWithAjikeWilliams ?
@@LifestylesWithAjikeWilliamsWhat seems to be the problem?
Some of my grandfather's family changed O'Shea to "Shaw"...every immigrant group was somehow "suspect".. so much for the "happy mixing bowl theory" 😢..America has ALWAYS had a WIDE wedge of haters/abusers/bullies....ask any Native American 😢
I met a Greek woman from the east coast. Her skin was white as milk, her family owned property. They were harassed by whte ppl and encouraged to leave. They used to throw tomatoes at her door. Based on her age, this had to occur between 1980 and 1960.
it has nothing to do with the race.
when will westerners realize we literally started western civilisation, and that they owe their existance to us
I understand a limitation with English, but white as milk sounds off-putting. And every single Greek person commenting is saying white as milk. Why not say something like pale? People are pale or dark. I am very sure if such a person you are describing, you could tell a difference between white paper and their skin, let alone milk.
@@arnoldmbuthia2687what's offensive about milk? my point was, she was not even tan. Her family was not poor.
I was shocked that her family was being mistreated in an area of the country where we have mixture.
It was a wake up call to me that some whtes embraced rac1al separation and harassment so intensely,
that they would treat other whites similar to the way they treat BLK or Mexican ppl.
it demonstrates clearly that rac1sm is a sickness that turns on its own.
They wanted her family to feel unsafe and leave, even though they did nothing but be humble.
Whtes are supposed to known for being so civilized but that behavior is beneath the animal kingdom.
@@aftastosk6016 enlighten us all then. why treat her family that way?
My Megálos Pappoús who came to the US in 1894 was called swarthy, he moved to Iowa and then to East Indiana Harbor and opened Tavernas there and Chicago.
The racism against Greeks, Italians Albanians was severe.
Yes, KKK was very bad in Georgia and other areas.
Only in California was the treatment any better as many Greeks moved to California due to similarities and weather close to the sea.
Imagine Greeks went through 500 years of Ottoman slavery, forced to become Muslim and worse .
Then the Greco Turkish war that ended in 1922 was when many more Greeks immigrated to the US.
We are now one of the most successful ethnic groups in the US.
From Baseball Owners, to Politicians and major business owners in this country .
We are a proud people and it’s sad that this country has still not learned how to respect everyone .
Their resentment of Southern Europeans , Greeks , Italians etc. mostly stemmed from the fear they would take over. They realised the intellegence , ability and work ethic of these people and that they couldn't compete on a level playing field.
In the USA, Canada, Australia, NZ, UK, Germany, Sweden, France and Belgium where many Greeks immigrated throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, their children and proceeding generations are now higher on the education ladder than the general population of their host countries, assuming a great number of professional positions in academia, business, medicine, management and every other field. They are also in general, better off financially, higher on most other well-to-do indicators, such as home ownership and lower in the crime rate and yet aren't necessarily in the super-rich billionaire bracket in great numbers either. This was all achieved from hard work and a huge respect for education and the realization and determination of an individual's potential. So, for the most part, they sit comfortably now somewhere in the middle to uppper middle class and that is something they should be very proud of.
There are countless notable people of Greek descent of every country they immigrated to. The following is just one example. Mike Lazaridis, a Greek-Canadian, known as the 'father of the smartphone' (so that computer in your pocket, you can thank a Greek for) was raised in Ontario and when he made it big financially, he gave the largest personal donation in Canadian history to establish the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics and a business school which sports his name, both state-of-the-art tertiary educational institutions that have elevated Canadian education and society, whilst giving countless students from all over the world the opportunity for advancement and success. So truly contributing to society in a profoundly positive way. Carrying the flame of his ancestors, Pythagoras et al would be proud!
Also, reputable sources state that indeed today's Greeks are the decendants of those ancient Greeks who laid the foundations of Western Civilization.
www.science.org/content/article/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals
Unfortunately for Greek politicians & certain groups they cal l “Albanians “ menace for Greece it’s sad because we are so similar for some reason you can feel that resentment also in Greece mother land they resented Greek Americans…
Hope you beautiful smart girl put some light that looking back on life of ancestors not to make or inflict “pain” in modern area immigrants.. I’m immigrant myself but i never forget what I came from … ❤ Greek food & culture is similar like mine, however it upsets me why in modern area this “ class as you rightfully call” is still going on
Griks ability and work ethics ???
It’s because many of the Southern Europeans are mixed blooded. it is not uncommon to find southerners with African and even middle eastern admixture
Nah, bro they were just different and we don't like different things. We don't like foreigners that come in and speak their strange languages and make their smelly foods (until we try them and realise they taste incredible). This is a revolving door of a story. Foreigners come in, get bullied, attacked, discriminated, long enough time goes by, foreigners get assimlated, integrated, often come to positions of some power and means. They become part of the larger whole and then new foreigners come in .. and everyone (including the former foreigners) blames them for coming into their space with their strange languages and smelly foods. Depending on how compatible those people are, how they look, how tolerant the new group is towards different people (fun fact, just beause someone is getting discriminated, doesn't stop them from doing the same to others. Like an Indian American might get discriminated for their skin then discriminate a black man or chinese person) they will integrate and become part of the whole faster.
There is no right answer to this issues. If people don't integrate well enough it creates resentment and alianation. Racism, hatred and even violence. If they integrate too well they lose their identity as a people. And the reality is, a lot of people are vey attached to their identities. It's why we see so many conspiracy theories about black americans being the original jews, moors, egyptians etc etc. Because they were robbed of their identity, and now they're desperately looking for one.
A lot of those early Iberian and Greek American settlers, went through a lot of racist and religious disparities by other Europeans. Cycle continues
That's probably why Theodoros Dorotheos the first Greek to step foot with Columbus here in the 15'th century. When they fought some Indians in Florida the Greek disappeared after the battle. When the Europeans returned they discovered the Greek joined the Indians to fight them.
Congratulations of our ancestor,Theodoros Dorotheos for this move!We the Hellenes aka Greeks from the beginning of our race,thousand of thousands years ago until today we have the sense of rightand FREEDOM .-
I have never heard that story before! Thank you for sharing!
maybe he was cought prisoner and later join the tribe, it was common practise between indian tribes in 1800s so maybe it was something similar.
We colonise USA 6 to 7000 years ago
The first of us were the Aroukanian Spartans
@@georgeefstratiadis8072 I always knew it was the Greeks of Crete and Mycenae, not the Spartans. I've never heard of "Arucanian Spartans".
Scientifically proven by non-Greek universities in order to avoid any bias, we Greeks have remained for the most part unchanged, intact, in spite Greece being in the crossroads of civilizations. Later, a Greek with an Italian university cooperated to confirm the exact same results. Just yesterday, there was the ceremony of the Olympic Flame Lit in Greece. The Presidential Guard also participated. My point is, in both of those 2 organizations, only Greeks are allowed to participate for obvious reasons which isn't the point here. Just watch the video, I really wonder how can people consider us non-white? It's really interesting. It's not that I care, but curiosity. Are we people of color? The only thing I care and one would have to pry out of my dead, cold hands is my "Greekness".
We also live in this place for the last 4500 years, at least provenly, again, scientifically. Greece has 270 days a year sunshine, we're adapted to produce melanin in summer. That's it. We can become tri-colore depending on where our clothes and swimsuits are situated on our body, covered, uncovered parts. Sure, we have no connection to Northern Europeans, but still. We're a little unique tribe unlike any other (we have no known connection to any other people - a little to Italians but I don't like mentioning it since Italians did as much damage to us as the Turks, we were getting attacked by the Italian peninsula from Roman era up to WWII) which is a miracle we survived historically. All because of the resolve of my ancestors to not bend the knee for anyone nor submit. Plus, our ingenuity.
Ellin....DNA......UNICH...
yea totally unbiased....
*@HadeS-Gyneco-Phobia* I can tell you why *some* people consider Greeks as non-white: because they are either NWO agents or idiots or both. Another option could be haters.
Greece is the crossroad of 3 continents. We are not unchanged we evolve. Have you ever lived abroad? This Mediterranean temperament doesn't vibe well with the passive aggressive West.
We want to be like the western Europeans but we are not. And that's good I think. But don't say we are unchanged because truly it makes no sense. Tooo many cultures passed Greece for Greece to influence them and take something back from them.
Be humble χαζούλη
Southern italians are basically greek lol. And don't diss all of italy for something that one crazy dictator did.
Scilians are actually descended from the Greeks so basically you also have Greek DNA
I definitely do!
Sicilians also have Spanish, Arab, Norman, Phonecian and many other backgrounds.
@@alexrenn2479 most of them settled way after the Greeks and for less time, you can find up to 40% Greek DNA in sicily, way more than any other ethnic group and thats after thousands of years
@@pablogats4627 And the DNA that isn't specifically "Greek" i.e. "Hellenic," is still Pelasgian Mediterranean which is shared by Cretans and Cypriots, and Aegean Islanders, where Sicilian DNA tends to cluster more closely than with mainland Greece. Basically Sicilians are like Greeks with a 5%-15% North African/Arab admixture from the Islamic period and even less Norman, Aragonese and mainland Italian contributions. I'm 25% Sicilian (see my last name?) and I still score part N. African, Arab and Levantine bc of it.
Sicily has the most Greek ruins outside Greece, Agrigento is famous for its Greek temples...
You are becoming the expert on our American heritage. Keep up the good work.
If you side or praise white Americans then you are no better !
A lot of Greeks lived in Sicily.
Freeloading !!?
There were Italians in Greece also prior to being in Italy. So there typically is some type of mixture with Greece and Italy hence the term Greco-Roman.
That is because Scillians are descended from the Greeks.
Yeah. That's why, due to my particular ancestral mix, I don't identify as Italian, but as Sicilian. (The rest is aggressively Gaelic, because I glow in the dark and can handle my whiskey. LOL)
@@ladyraven3418drink ouzo
Your right regarding the KKK derived from Greek. It translates to "Kiklos" which means "circle". For that group to have their very existence derived from the Greek and yet they were against the Greeks was totally ignorant. Also, regarding the comments Henry Pratt made; I find him quite ignorant as well considering he probably didn't know where on the map Greece was. The cultural, etc, gifts the Greeks have given the world stand on their own merit. BUT, ignorance has prevented many from realizing this. Also Consider...
There are Greeks in Egypt (Alexandria) and they are of a darker complexion (due to proximity of equator) than their northern brethren. They are still considered "white". Just because the country is located on African continent doesn't mean they are considered "black". Just as Spaniard of Madrid is considered "white". They certainly are NOT Latino. Yet many ignorant people do consider them that. People from Iran (Ancient Persia) for example are also considered "white". (In the texts of Alexander The Great, he describes Roxanne as fair skinned and blue eyes. NOT a dark Latino as depicted by Rosario Dawson in the movies). Sicily, and Italy, France, and other parts of Europe were conquered by Alexander the Great, and many Greeks still remain there today. The Doric and Corinthian columns everywhere in Roman Architecture (Colosseum, etc) all come from Greek culture.
People are simply unaware of their own culture let alone other cultures and their subsequent impact on the global stage. Sad indeed.
Alexander the Great did not conquer Sicily, Italy or France. He expanded the Macedonian kingdom, almost exclusively, to the east.
Ok Rosira Dawson is not Itilian she's PR and Black. The Romans who took over Egypt was years after many many Black people. We know how y'all became white. You join the white supremacy.
My mom was first generation Greek American, born in 1922. My dad the same born in 1918. Great presentation.
Who cares ?We Greeks whatever appearance we have ,we are the Ones who gave the lights to humanity , we gave the Name to Europe and we defined who will call European. As for what color we have believe me ,we are trying very hard ,we have been doing Sun therapy since April to have the right golden color on the beaches in the summer.
Καλά μεγάλε χαλάρωσε λίγο. Αυτά τα κάναν οι πρόγονοι μας. Εμείς τώρα τι κάνουμε;;;
@@malamatinas1 ίδιοι είμαστε. Αυτοί που δώσαμε το κώνειο στο Σωκράτη εμείς το 41 τα κατο . Τα τελευταία 20 χρόνια αλλάξαμε όμως είναι λίγα μπροστά σε ότι έχουμε πίσω μας
@@malamatinas1 Eσεις τωρα δεν κανετε ουτε παιδια , ξεκινηστε απ αυτο και βλεπουμε για το μελλον ,
@@giorgosstamatopoulos8115the young now adopts dogs and poison their bodies with Tattoos man and woman alike
Πες το δυνατά, καλή μου. Το πρόβλημα ανήκει σ'αυτους που νομίζουν ότι είναι "άσπροι"
People are commenting without watching the videos. Greeks are not black, are not Asian, are not Indian, are not middle eastern. Everyone in Europe and Russia is considered white among us Europeans.
When Americans are talking about being white, they consider white someone that has Anglo-Saxon descend, when it comes among peers. The term is stronger in US, because being white also meant higher social/working class. So, because Italians and Greeks were doing initially low income jobs, they were NOT considered white, based on US standards. They are still Caucasians in race!
It's just people on the Internet and from the US especially, have really distorted perception of the reality due to the social extreme conditions that the US was built on.
There are comments in this video that consider Greeks being non-white as being black 🤣
There are of course Greeks with a darker skin, especially those days, because as poor as they were, they were working mostly in agriculture, exposed for over 12 hours a day under the hot sun. This is also true for Southern Greeks and islanders, where they get high temperatures and exposures all year round.
No, I don't consider only people of Anglo Saxon decent to be white. That's ridiculous. You can't even tell who has that heritage and most white people in the US are of mixed ethnicities anyway.
I never thought of any of this growing up because it so antiquated. I'm in my late 40s and have always considered Italians and Greeks to be white. Nobody ever told me otherwise. Same with Slavic people.
Anglo saxon doesnt mean anything in the US anymore. Now its just a racist, anti-white dog whistle that academics popularized again to use as a grift. They have to write papers and be controversial to keep their job, stay relevant, get promotions, get attention....
Don't speak for all white Americans, especially if you aren't even American.
@@_hesha_7092 Well, in my defence, I have not met people online from the US who have had this dinstiction mind. All of them were doing the separation of white-white and Italian-white.
I apologize for the narrow-minded view of mine.
This is not an American thing. It is definitely a European thing. It's an issue that started with fall of the Myceneans and became common after the Fall of Rome. All positive traits from Greek and Roman civilization are seen as 'Western' and white while the supposed negative traits are seen as 'Eastern' and something not quite white. Golden Alexander versus the Greeks that were too 'dark' to be viewed as white.
- “Some Greeks have darker skin because they’re exposed to the sun”- lol as someone from Cyprus I have to disagree, but good try at generalising 👍
@@besparmak8211 Literally, Cypriot greeks have darker skin because of their geography. I'm talking about greeks from mainland.
Growing up I was told I’m Black and Sicilian. I did Ancestry DNA and found I have more Aegean DNA than Italian. Initially, I was shocked but as I learned more about Southern Italy and the Kingdom of the 2 Sicily’s it made sense. I am currently trying to learn more about Greek and Sicilian culture to connect to my roots.
Νice research!...the story of Louis Tikas is also a reason why Greeks were targeted by the KKK! Louis Tikas was actually the leader of the workers among whom there were still many Greeks and Cretans who went to the USA to live the "American dream". Instead they lived through the so-called "Ludlow Massacre" which was one of the bloodiest employer and state attacks on the US union movement. It took place on April 20, 1914 in the town of Ludlow, Colorado and was the culmination of the labor oppression of 12,000 miners in the area.
The Cretan Louis who is today celebrated around the world on Easter 1914 fell dead by the bullets of the Colorado Militia. He was the victim in a bloody battle waged by the miners against the regime that Rockefeller wanted to impose
The chronicle was never written and is not included in the American history books. And it was almost forgotten, until in 1944 Woody Garthy wrote a song entitled "The Ludlow Massacre". The song was often heard at the demonstrations of the 60s, and then all was forgotten again...
In the USA, Canada, Australia, NZ, UK, Germany, Sweden, France and Belgium where many Greeks immigrated throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, their children and proceeding generations are now higher on the education ladder than the general population of their host countries, assuming a great number of professional positions in academia, business, medicine, management and every other field. They are also in general, better off financially, higher on most other well-to-do indicators, such as home ownership and lower in the crime rate and yet aren't necessarily in the super-rich billionaire bracket in great numbers either. This was all achieved from hard work and a huge respect for education and the realization and determination of an individual's potential. So, for the most part, they sit comfortably now somewhere in the middle to uppper middle class and that is something they should be very proud of.
There are countless notable people of Greek descent of every country they immigrated to. The following is just one example. Mike Lazaridis, a Greek-Canadian, known as the 'father of the smartphone' (so that computer in your pocket, you can thank a Greek for) was raised in Ontario and when he made it big financially, he gave the largest personal donation in Canadian history to establish the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics and a business school which sports his name, both state-of-the-art tertiary educational institutions that have elevated Canadian education and society, whilst giving countless students from all over the world the opportunity for advancement and success. So truly contributing to society in a profoundly positive way. Carrying the flame of his ancestors, Pythagoras et al would be proud!
Also, reputable sources state that indeed today's Greeks are the decendants of those ancient Greeks who laid the foundations of Western Civilization.
www.science.org/content/article/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals
🎯Benjamin Franklins observation of mankind not just America but the world was populated with people of color. Thank you NYT N🩵
thank you!
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Same thought.
Sorry Sister but you are comfused..WE ARE HELLENES aka GREEKS AND HAVE NOT PEOPLE OF COLOUR.THATS THE ONLY TRUTH.IF YOU HAVE ANY MONEY,COME TO HELLAS aka GREECE AND SEE IT BY YOURSELF!GREETINGS SIS!!!
Divide and Rule is what "Media" is all about plus Bread and Circus !!
Look who runs the media
I hit the Like button for your videos as soon as they come up.
oh my gosh, you are so sweet, thank you~
Welcome back. I hope that you enjoyed your time off. Keep up the good work. I appreciate what you're doing.
I appreciate it! I feel so rested and refocused. :)
If the definition of white has shifted then why were Greeks, Italians etc "white" legally in the US from the beginning? Being "white" does not mean you didn't suffer discrimination and people thinking you as foreign and different. In the past people didn't mix as much and were much more prejudiced. Even neighbouring populations did not get on and looked down on each other. So treating people unequally is not all about whether people were black or white. It can be due to different religion, ethnicity, social class etc. The Whiteness studies in the US seem to be making everything about race i.e. How the Irish Became White, How the Italians Became White etc. But legally these groups were white on arrival in the US. There are complex reasons for why they were discriminated against to do with religion, history and why Irish were discriminated against is different to why Italians were discriminated against. If you were of African origin that would be completely different again. Each group has their own story. Greeks would have just been seen as foreign and different. Is this series trying to equate being white with social class and being accepted as part of the major group? Because that is not accurate IMO Groups that were legally white still had that advantage and of course did not suffer things like chattel slavery.
Greeks were enslaved brutally by Turks for 500 years lol ,much worse than ANY chattel slavery in USA,your slavery was comical compared to suffering of Greeks ,Serbs under ottoman turks
What do you mean by “white from the beginning”? And also are you sure people didn’t “mix” centuries ago or maybe beyond that?
@@misterbobdobalina What I mean is they were legally white from the start of the US. For example Irish Americans have been legally classified as white since the first U.S. census in 1790, that Irish Americans were legally white for the purposes of the Naturalization Act of 1790 that limited citizenship to "free White person(s)". There are genetic studies on populations the Irish for example are just Northwestern Europeans and the same as other populations they cluster with i.e. Scots, English, Welsh, Dutch. Southern Italians and Greeks are the most southern Europeans and they have received extra East Mediterranean input since the Roman Empire time. However Greeks and Italians have always been legally white in the US. The differences with Europeans is that Northern Europeans have more Steppe and less Farmer input while Southern Europeans have more Farmer and less Steppe but also some extra East Med as I've stated already.
@@jackieblue1267the whole point is that racism is bad because anyone can be discriminated against, depending on arbitrary reasons. Letting racism fester ends up damaging the community and all members
The most interesting thing is that those who exercised this discrimination were not natives but descendants of the same thing they discriminated against. The entire population in the US are descendants of immigrants. The authentic native population was banished and locked up in reserves so that they would not disturb them. Where is the maximum discrimination?
As a Greek that was born in Australia i can can tell you that what my ancestors achieved over thousands of years is truly extraordinary
You were born in Australia 🇦🇺 ?.I was also born in Australia and I’m also Greek 😅
Good that you are back!
In a nutshell everybody that is not of Northeuropean descent and Protestant had obsticles to overcome.
I am from Greece and I took MyHeritage DNA test a few years ago. It categorized Greeks and South Italians as one group, which was where I fell for the majority of my ethnic background. The next group, around 20%, was broadly Italian. There is surely shared heritage.
You're doing a great job. Don't listen to the ignorant people in the comment section, they have no concept of history or sociology.
Not a lot of people know that the word "Ku Klux" refer to the word "Kyklos" in Greek which mean "circle".
Most of them coming ,from Greek language,
5000 years of written history.
You know , whenever I hear or read things like this, it comes to mind a quote from a scene of the movie "My Big Fat Greek Wedding". And the quote goos: "When the Greeks were writing history, you (and here Mr. Portokalos probably means the inhabitants of Western Europe) were still hanging from the trees".
Wasn't it Senecas who said: Don't buy your slaves from Britain, they are idiots?
And yes, I can be so cruel to people who wreak havoc and destruction wherever they go... just ask, for proof, the 190 countries the Anglo-Saxons invaded!
You're probably just a Slav. Modern Greeks are Slavs.
@@jake-qn3tl Sigh this has been disproven gazillion times but Northern bar-barians simply won't get it. The slavic migration wasn't as strong as to totally change the genetic background of the native populations of the Balkans.
jimakisdpd. Επαναλαμβάνω, γηγενείς πληθυσμοί ΔΕΝ υπήρχαν και πάρα πολλοί λόγω ..........σφαξιματος εκ μέρους των Ρωμαίων, θυμάστε, PAX ROMANA. Οπότε, όταν μετά το 800 μ.χ. πλάκωσαν οι Σλάβοι, έμειναν όπου βρήκαν. Αυτά τα ολίγα.
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This exact quote is very commonly used here in Greece, mostly to dunk on Northern Europeans.
The economic woes of present Greece are quite well known, things were quite bad here around the early 2010s. Northern Europeans generally didn't show much sympathy and heavily criticized the Greeks labelling us as lazy.
As one can imagine, Greeks were not particularly happy about that, so our clap back was this phrase.
“The 190 countries the Anglo-Saxons invaded” As opposed to the morally superior peoples of where? I ask you as a fellow Hellene.
It's amazing how those excuses of crime and sexual harassment are always brought up when talking about minorities
The news paper clipping was jarring. The “young” girl and “a Caucasian” as if he was not? And I think 18 is pretty grown up, especially 100 years ago.
Also dirtiness, ignorance, resistance to American ways ...
This is a very important episode and it is very relevant today! I know I am tired of all this fear-mongering by certain aspects of the Media out there. We need to stop looking at the differences and start looking at the similarities! We, as a society, need to grow up! Glad to see you back!
I had olive skin when I moved to America, and that is because of the strong sun rays in Greece. Since I've started living here I lost the olive in my skin color. But still to this day, many Spanish people mistake me as being Spanish.
So interesting! My mom's mom grew up in Omaha, in a family of Sicilian immigrants, and talked about some of her experiences with discrimination and racism there, but kept the worst of it a secret. Her nieces and nephews and their families still live there (in South Omaha), and my sister and her family moved there a few years ago, so I visit every summer. The relatives have told me a lot of the more depressing stories, as well as some of the happier ones, but they never mentioned any Greek people; I didn't know there used to be a Greek community in Omaha! It isn't mentioned at the local history museum (which I visit every time I am in town) or on the information signs/plaques at any of the historic sites I've been to. I would have thought that the Greeks and Italians would have lived near each other and worked together (like they did in California, where I live), but I guess they went to separate churches and didn't really mix. I will be in Omaha in July, so I will have to look for evidence of the Greek community when I am there.
Always happy to find little fragments of our nations history. As a Greek i must thank you for this video.
Background information: At the time when Greeks and other Mediterranean peoples began immigrating in large numbers to the US communism and anarchism were more popular, especially in southeast Europe. These political movements were very unwelcome in the US. This, in addition to ordinary racism and fear of economic competition was the motivation for restricting immigration from Southeastern Europe.
What? There was no communist movements in Greece in the late 19th century; there was poverty, wars, and persecution in Ottoman controlled territory that had sizeable Greek populations, but Russia had not even fallen to the Bolsheviks yet when my grandfathers came in 1915 and 1917 respectively.
@Paulynyc the restriction of immigration from Greece and neighboring areas occurred between the two world wars. Obviously, this was in the 20th century, and communism and anarchism were a bigger issue. Karl Marx published Das Capital in 1867.
@@joanhuffman2166 Weren't many Greek villagers from the Peloponnese reading Karl Marx in 1867. The majority of Greek immigration from Greece to the US happened from 1900-1924, in the wake of the Balkan Wars, collapse of the Ottoman Empire and Asia Minor catastrophe.
@Paulynyc let's go back to when the US cut off immigration not only from Greece but from the whole region, just after World War I.
Another fine episode, Danielle. The Omaha riot against Greek immigrants reminds me a bit of the Tulsa race riot (aka Black Wall Street) against African Americans in the 1920’s. Please keep up the good work. Our country’s citizens need to have this information.
Yes I hope to cover that soon
Wow! Incredible research. You are bringing out the real history. Thank you.
I have to say this was ALL new to me
Even the Greeks were in this thing 😂 America is a funny place.
And now they take the white Americans side against others , they're no better now !
Funny perhaps, but I can think of a great many more imaginative names for it...
What do you mean about GREEKS???
@@bkipseli1990 , I am black , how can I become white? If the Greeks can do it surely I can do it. 💡
@@bkipseli1990he's trying to say that even the Greeks, a people and country where western civilization began were maligned racially and culturally in America upon their arrival, an America which was supposed to be a beacon of democracy and a country whose forefathers idolized the ancient Greeks and built their new country based off their ideas. It's ironic and in a pretty tragic way.
In Australia many anglos came in chains and shackles since they were petty criminals, whereas the Greeks and Italians came with papers , some but not all Anglos are very racist and this goes from the uneducated anglos such as the boguns all the way to the most educated Anglo but overall,what about the anglos culture its all American Black Music in Australia no such thing as Australian music or Australian food.Whereas Greeks have a cuisine from the Mountain To the Depths of the Sea👍, hundreds of different dances and many different musical styles, the Orthodox religion with Easter Eggs and everyday is a celebration day of some saint and a name day to celebrate 🍾, lots of jokes and comedy and if we get started with Greek history we need ten lifetimes to get through it all.
Ya im half greek half british who grew up in multicultural big city area, I didnt realize how racist anglos can be until i moved to a 95% white small town.. their is definitely a difference in temperament between anglos and southern europeans
@@chadwellington2524white english people created racism as we know it ,Hitler literally learned it from the anglos lol
Thank you for sharing! As a Greek American historian and anthropologist I appreciate you bringing this to the surface in the discussion of combating with white supremacy in this nation. Greek Americans today are diving into this history and wanting to preserve their identity while some in the community have assimilated to complete whiteness causing the political divide even within our communities. The mentioning of AHEPA is key as they were successful and the Americanization of generations of Greeks seeking to be part of Whiteness. There was an opposing organization that was unfortunately not as successful who sought to be more aggressive at advocating for Greeks and their fight against prejudice and discrimination and at the same time strict preservation of our cultural heritage. That organization was known as GAPA or Greek American Progressive Association.
Thank you so much! I am so glad for what you added to this conversation
"White supremacy" is a woke marxist LIE. As a Greek you should have more self respect than to buy into this utter BS.
WOW, I never knew, nor was never taught this part of “Greek-American immigrant experience in American History”.
- You continue to educate and amaze with your exceptional research in unearthing and preserving “true hidden history and stories” that were apparently buried for over a century, at least; from my perspective.
-- Maybe you can find and
invite a guest speaker on a future presentation to delve deeper into the Greek-American immigrant experience that could add to your “untold stories of immigrant groups” in American History!
This is important work that you are doing. 💯
I’m full Greek and none of my family experienced any notable discrimination in the early teens and twenties.
Large parts of modern Greece was under Ottoman rule at the time of the Omaha riots. The Greeks were accustomed to hardship. Greeks stuck together, worked hard and became one of the most successful ethnic communities for decades until they mostly assimilated.
"Assimilated" you mean in the US, right? Because, we didn't assimilate with the Turks even in the slightest. We've had constant wars, over 30 major and countless minor tries to liberate our country and send the Turks out of Europe. Also, thank Zeus my ancestors never bend the knee to anyone. We didn't convert to Islam. Turks couldn't legally marry non-Muslims. It's not that we wanted to marry and mix with them or anything, but just mentioned it about my people's resolve.
In the USA, Canada, Australia, NZ, UK, Germany, Sweden, France and Belgium where many Greeks immigrated throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, their children and proceeding generations are now higher on the education ladder than the general population of their host countries, assuming a great number of professional positions in academia, business, medicine, management and every other field. They are also in general, better off financially, higher on most other well-to-do indicators, such as home ownership and lower in the crime rate and yet aren't necessarily in the super-rich billionaire bracket in great numbers either. This was all achieved from hard work and a huge respect for education and the realization and determination of an individual's potential. So, for the most part, they sit comfortably now somewhere in the middle to uppper middle class and that is something they should be very proud of.
There are countless notable people of Greek descent of every country they immigrated to. The following is just one example. Mike Lazaridis, a Greek-Canadian, known as the 'father of the smartphone' (so that computer in your pocket, you can thank a Greek for) was raised in Ontario and when he made it big financially, he gave the largest personal donation in Canadian history to establish the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics and a business school which sports his name, both state-of-the-art tertiary educational institutions that have elevated Canadian education and society, whilst giving countless students from all over the world the opportunity for advancement and success. So truly contributing to society in a profoundly positive way. Carrying the flame of his ancestors, Pythagoras et al would be proud!
Also, reputable sources state that indeed today's Greeks are the decendants of those ancient Greeks who laid the foundations of Western Civilization.
www.science.org/content/article/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals
In the UK as an antique hangover kept on by aristocracy whose roots lay in invasions by Scandinavian Europeans the swarthy skinned were looked down on as the peasants. Nobles for some while had 1st night rights to brides of these serfs. This may even go back to roman times where a rural peasant was often a slave. William the Conqueror passed a law banning slavery of Englishmen, but cultural prejudices carried on into the 20th century. This probably made the UK population whiter than it would have been otherwise.
I am Greek born in Greece and when studying abroad i was quite shocked when i was told by my African-Canadian flatmate that us Greeks are still considered coloured in the US and Canada..
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The Greeks are white. European
ITALIIANS, FRENCH, SPANIARDS,
European are white and Greeks are the first European civilization
😂😂😂😂😂 The Greeks are Ethiopians who came to the Pelasgian lands
French and Spaniards are not first civilization on Europe,they are ancestors of barbaric tribes that entered in Roman empire, learn history before making such claims
It's a spectrum, to their neighbours they are little less white.
As noted by others, whiteness is a social construct. Europe is a continent of different skin tones since antiquity. If you see for example mosaics or paintings from ancient greek and roman times you will notice both darker skinned and lighter skinned people. The enduring legacy of racism is that people refuse to this day to acknowledge that there could be europeans with darker skin.
@@ylliriaalbania326 In the USA, Canada, Australia, NZ, UK, Germany, Sweden, France and Belgium where many Greeks immigrated throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, their children and proceeding generations are now higher on the education ladder than the general population of their host countries, assuming a great number of professional positions in academia, business, medicine, management and every other field. They are also in general, better off financially, higher on most other well-to-do indicators, such as home ownership and lower in the crime rate and yet aren't necessarily in the super-rich billionaire bracket in great numbers either. This was all achieved from hard work and a huge respect for education and the realization and determination of an individual's potential. So, for the most part, they sit comfortably now somewhere in the middle to uppper middle class and that is something they should be very proud of.
There are countless notable people of Greek descent of every country they immigrated to. The following is just one example. Mike Lazaridis, a Greek-Canadian, known as the 'father of the smartphone' (so that computer in your pocket, you can thank a Greek for) was raised in Ontario and when he made it big financially, he gave the largest personal donation in Canadian history to establish the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics and a business school which sports his name, both state-of-the-art tertiary educational institutions that have elevated Canadian education and society, whilst giving countless students from all over the world the opportunity for advancement and success. So truly contributing to society in a profoundly positive way. Carrying the flame of his ancestors, Pythagoras et al would be proud!
Also, reputable sources state that indeed today's Greeks are the decendants of those ancient Greeks who laid the foundations of Western Civilization.
www.science.org/content/article/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals
I was speaking with a friend who was born of an African-American parent and a Greek mother and raised in the U.S. At some point he told me "but dude you re white and I am black", and I told him that he is simply Greek and that he should quit that U.S mindset.
Had a lotta Greek friends in Australia in the 1970's. Never considered them as having color or not. They deffinitely had different ethnicity and cultural habits. Real nice people for the most part
As Romanian who stay near Greeks a say:they are withe people.
the Irish where not considered caucasian untill after ww2.
you are scratching the iceberg and not noticing how much mass is below the water.
Charlotte, NC had a large and thriving Greek Community a century ago. They at one time owned every diner in the city. One place even served the first pizza in the city.
Times are changing though. Many of the old diners are gone. The Greek children didn't want to work the hours and many became professionals. There are a few Greeks lawyers in town. Where they have excelled is in real estate. One family still owns diners and deals in real estate.
The community is growing. A new church was built in Southeastern Charlotte while the old cathedral is near downtown Charlotte.
I don't recall any talk of prejudice against the Greeks here.
M grandfather was Sicilian. He had the Mediterranean coloring common in the area. His dark skin was an impediment when he was in the Army during WW 1 in "Camp Meade" Maryland.
Sicily was once a Greek colony. Siragusa is the Sicilian pronunciation of Syracuse. The Pope sent the Normans into Sicily to chase out the Greek Orthodox Church.
In "The Godfather" Michael's companion describes Appolonia as pretty in the "Greek way".
While serving in Special Forces in the army, when I was stationed over in Germany for some Germans they looked up on the Turkish people as subhuman.
Well after executing 3 genocides ( they actuality butchering innocent people ) they don't have good reputation among the Europeans there's no European actually really like Turkish
Turks committed horrific crimes during ottoman empire,it's normal for greeks ,Serbs to hate them
Very informative and educational. It is because of educational content like this why your channel is one of my favorite UA-cam channels. Could you do a video that expands on the historical relationship between the Greek American community and the African American community?
Thank you so much, I love this suggestion
As always Excellent Reaearch! Great video..
The wrath of Hollywood has cemented everyone's preference now. Everyone has forgotten who they originally were
Another excellent video. Keep it up.
People coming from the cradle of occidental civilization 😊
Your series has totally turned my head 180 degrees regarding the myth of the American Melting Pot.
West mainland Greek people are blonde a darker blonde with blue or green eyes. In my family the majority has light coloured eyes and our ancestry has been well documented from 1571 and after. Anyways it is a good documentary very informative. You have to include that Greeks as Greek were not officially existent from 1453 until 1821. White Europeans rediscovered them due to the Greek revolution. They had to remind the frankish Europeans that they were Europeans and always considered themselves as such. Anyways Greeks were good for America and despite a rocky start Greeks love America and we have more things in common as nations. Both Americans and Greeks have gotten rid of monarchy with gusto. Greetings from Athens Greece.😊
I am partially from Messenia where dark blonde and blue or green eyes are quite common
@@aftastosk6016 true depending the area yet the blue eyes are different in shade of more like the bright blue sea at Tainaron from West mainland that are more thundery silver blue. And the messenian green eyes are more emerald than olive greenish in my area. I am 25 percent from Messiniaki Mani descendant from land pirates and the other 75 percent is from bandits from Galaxidi actually the last one to have been decapitated plus Dorida and Aitoloakarnanis from warriors with their own ships at the battle of Lepanto. The only Anglo-Saxon in the family was a lady from those who came with Lord Byron but I think that branch had not offspring. Greetings from Athens Greece.
We have nothing in common with the Americans 😂.
@@nancypachou9705 Indeed this is very true! My grandfather from Laconia had this bright blue eyes and my grandmother from Messenia had this silver blue, which is the blue that I have myself. The bright blue is common on both sides of Taygetos, around the mountain.
Very informative. Thanks for your input. As a Greek who spent a considerable amount of my childhood in South Africa, it's fascinating to see how different the sentiment was about Greek immigrants depending on the country they immigrated. That's to say, in the US we were considered non-whites while at the same time in SA the pre-appartheid-oppressed african people (in their majority) would hardly differentiate Greeks, Italians and French immigrants from the (native by that time) Dutch and British settlers, whereas, Indian immigrants where considered people of similar status to them. Basically, what mattered the most I guess, was the colour of a man's skin. I don't know, perhaps I'm wrong. Great videos anyhow.
Thank you for bringing this topic up. My parents were Greek immigrants. My dad actually came over at 12 years old in 1917. He told me that he was dating a "white" girl and her dad found out and threatened him. My dad's family were all olive skinned, dark haired Greeks. My sister's were born in the 1950s and they were called "Indian". My mom who was from Turkey had to deal with a lot. I remember in the 1960's and 1970's having my last name anglicized by the teachers, and kids saying, I am not what "white. Because I was Greek Orthodox, people were confused because the Orthodox church was different than what they were used to. There other things I dealt with. Because of this I never considered myself white. Culturally, Greeks are more Middle Eastern anyway.
America's "who gets to be white" history.... Reminds me of the Dr. Suess story " the sneeches" 😂😂😂
I ALWAYS think of the Sneetches!
I always try to read "The Sneeches" to my older students every year (4th and 5th grade -- I'm the librarian) because it's kind of a long book for them to sit through, but it's such a good story with a great message. They always understand the message!
To me what is down hardening is, Many European immigrants Came here To the United States Inward mistreated Because they weren't Anglo-Saxons. You would think these ethnicities would have a kinship with other people that aren't accepted truly as an American. But instead The Descendants descendants of some of these immigrants are Justice racist toward people that don't look like them is the Anglo-Saxons were against their ancestors
Northern Europeans were accepted because many had blonde hair and blue eyes. The Anglo-Saxons could accept them much easier then some of the dark complexions Europeans from Greece or Italy Spain or Portuguese. In other words any European that had dark complexion was looked upon as less than
The Greeks and the Romans were the first Europeans on planet Earth. In ancient Rome they looked up on the people from Western Europe as heathens and subhuman
As a Japanese American, I'm that Omaha newspaper's editorial, for the Greeks and Italians to be tossed in with us, I prefer the company!
Danielle..... Your channel/videos are so educational and thorough on the history of race in this country.
Most people don't know half of this information since it's so conveniently been erased. It's really so very important to understand our diverse community of fellow Americans.
You can always tell how deeply ingrained racism is by the lengths people will go to conceal it. ... And how angry they get when you expose the cover up.
Thank you thank you thank you....
Like you, my ancestry is diverse.... I've loved uncovering all the secrets.
I REALLY want to make a documentary about it... I've been working on it for a few months.... It is so exciting!
Oh please keep me posted!!
@@nytn I sure Will!
So appreciate your interests and talents in this space. Your videos have been wonderful tools in history and perspective. Next stop will be patreon.
Yeah!!! A new video❤….love the videos ..keep spreading the love and truth 🎯🎯🎯
Interesting, I Never knew Omaha had a history of Racial tension I lived in South Omaha so 28th st in the early 70's. It's Unfortunate that these behavior are so deeply entrenched in this Nations History.
It's a real sickness!
Thanx for Sharing 💜
My impression is that before the Civil War, only Protestants of Northern and Western European ancestry were White in USA. Catholics were not White even if they had Northern or Western European ancestry. Can you do a video about that?
You don't understand the inferiority complex of England's compared to the rest of Europe. And this inferiority complex built a lot of hatred
Absolutely,they genuinely feel inferior
Lol. No they don't.
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Thank you for making these videos. You do a lot of research and it shows based on the quality information you provide.
Only natives arerealy Americans.❤
Thank you so much for covering this topic. Your research annd objectivity is commendable!
Mormon's, so "Christian" of them to welcome the Greeks.
Well, they aren’t considered Christian by most Christians anyways.
Greeks always have been (and still are) a menace - especially to other Greeks...
You are doing an excellent job in revealing the obnoxious nature of the US. Sadly it still hasn't put it's house in order. Your stories will hopefully prick the conscience of the nation. A fan of your channel.
Your username resonates with me. I love this country, and we do need our house put in order. I don’t think we can keep going this way we are going
Im a greek cypriot who has lived in the uk for 70 years I've never had problems with racist ism only 2 times but after i gave them a good hiding they started to respect me
Your channel is awesome!!!!!
Thank you so much! I am learning in public :)
Thank you for posting this greatly informative video. I will share it with so many of my Greek family members and friends. We tend to forget or simply choose to ignore the true history of our collective Greek immigrant experience in America. These historical truths have been swept under the carpet, even within our own Greek American communities. It is shameful that this rhetoric is front and center in today's American political landscape.
Im so honored to read this, thank you. I knew almost 0 about Greek American history before researching this video! I feel every more proud of that Aegean Island DNA that showed up. :)
A lot of Sicilians also have some African blood in their DNA also
Thats not true, few Sicilians do not a lot.
@@GamaouatAll Mediterranean dna is shared with North Africa
Yeah NORTH! African berber dna. Who are mediterranen. Not black Africans
You were missed! I greatly appreciate your work.
Thank you so much!:)
Being white in America was mostly people with North European ancestry, and then it gradually incorporated Europeans from other countries as well. Mormons in Utah still find me "fascinating " and "different" despite the great influx of non Mormons in tne State the past few years...
It’d be interesting for you to someday dissect Spanish-European identity as it’s still an example of racial ambiguity to many Americans who perceive Europeans like Javier Bardem and Penelope Cruz as Non-White, further proving how nonsensical race is.
Its just nonsensical in the US...
@tobiasphilippwittlinger8753 Aka subjective 😄, you proved my point.
@@dantesabatino5429 Well it is objective since it is a precise science yet the US bureau of statistics seems to be very subjective indeed by ignoring the facts.
@tobiasphilippwittlinger8753 By precise do you mean how my South Italian dad had entirely different dna than my Anglo-Saxon mom? There’s no continental gene, and any geneticist will tell you race doesn’t exist scientifically given the genetic variation within groups.
@@dantesabatino5429 Souther Italian Anglo Saxon you just said it yourselve.
Well it does but not in Italy since it is no ethno state but for example lets look at Africa and Asia.
Do Japanese people and Phillipinos look they same to you?
Do you really argue that race is some sort of fiction or fantasy?
I'm an African American, I used to work with a Sicilian American guy and years later with his wife. They're two of the nicest people that you ever want to meet. I was surprised how dark skinned he was. I wish that the old bounds that we had with his people and mine would have sustained the test of time, but welcome to America!
This is interesting, but sad. Why do people treat each other so badly? It never ends, and it’s insane, since “we’re all related.” Thank you for bringing this history to us. We need to be aware of the past. I hope we (humans) will have a brighter future, someday. …A coincidence: Bosco is one of the surnames in my family tree, on my father’s Sicilian side. Love you!
Mainly in America by the white Appalachian people from the 1880's until all the Europeans considered themselves white against the Asians , native Indians , and real black Americans !
I am from india and somehow I have some Greek dna maybe because of Alexander’s forces but I am proud of it .. the truth is there is no pure race in this world we all are products of thousands of years of mixing ..
Unless you are from the continent of Africa or Asia , what are you ? You may not be anglo saxon , but you are Caucasian. Some Mediterraneans are caucasian with some MENA in them.
But Mena have been listed as White for over a century and many are literally Caucasians like Syrians and Persians
The word “Greek” applied to many Mediterranean peoples not just Greek speaking people. I am an arab, and I married a white Canadian women. My wife told me that she heard one of her relatives saying that she (my wife) had “married a Greek fella from Iraq”.
This is a DEEP SEATED infection that’s been with us since the beginning of our American Experiment. My dear country. You Need a Hug❤️
Time to call the doctor!
I had a coworker who was in Mississipe and applied for a fishing license. He was of Puerto Rican descent and the man who issued the license had put his race down as black even though he was plainly white and objected to it the man insisted on it. This was certainly a class issue.
I am interested in how you choose the topics. How about doing a video on the Romani and their oppression and slavery in Eastern Europe and the Ottoman Empire.
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It feels so good actually a recorded history unlike the hating Anglo Saxons, if the US experience was/is anything like Australias then I am sorry for what you experienced.
I am Australian born Greek and was subjected to the racism and discrimination and had to defend my twin sister who would be taunted by the Anglos .
Much like the African American people who are known to get pissed when a non AfAm uses the word. We took our derogatory word being “ Wog” and claimed it as our own. It didn’t matter which Mediterranean country you were from you were not Anglo Saxon even the German people were not white.
This behaviour died down when the Asian people ( the boat people from Vietnam) and other refugees such as the Cambodians. Now with the influx of African refugees and settlers they are the targets.
Total bullshit in my opinion, the Italians and Greeks have an expression…. Mia facia, uno racia. A strong bond between us because we were considered outsiders.
I unlike many am grateful for experiencing that because it was what made me what I am today.
I haven’t time for hate and discrimination but I am contemptuous of all humanity.
Every race throughout history has practiced racism, slavery , cannibalism rape pillage etc .
No one is innocent in my view !!!
Greeks and Italians, especially southern Italians have the BEST culture in all of Europe, though with modern globalization rhey are losing this special culture.
Hi Danielle, congratulations for this video.
I have relatives in US, i am Greek. Greeks in the US had the same treatment that all late European immigrants had when they got there. Of course Greeks because they were extremely poor when they arrived, it was considered that they were dirty, primitive, lazy, prone to gambling etc. Of course all of this was untrue at a certain degree at least. Greeks with the help of AHEPA, worked very hard in order to make money and to especially educate their kids. Education is very important for the Greek race. Of course today, the other Americans think highly of the Greeks because Greeks made money and fortunes in the US some times more than the Northern European Americans.
I have read about the incidences in Nebraska and Kansas, thank God there are other states in the US.
I also know from my relatives, we were not the best people (i can give you example from my relatives), but i think this is the same for the first European immigrants of US.
By the way, Southern Italians have a lot of Greek DNA. We are not the same people though.
Thanks.
I've never thought of The Greeks, Scillians, Armenians as "White". The folks I know always cauight Hell, along with The Amoureuxs. My Great Grandfather on My Dad's Mom's side was Dark Brown Skin, He had a Ranch up in Nampa Idaho, in the early Teens, Twenty. The White Cowboys wouldn't work for Him. But The Greeks, The Mexicans, and The Basques, The Nez Perce, The Shoshone Would. The White People got Pissed at Him for doin this, He said " The only Color These Cat see with Me is The Green I pay Them with". Great Viedo Cuz.
Hey cuz, good to see ya!
We that we are raised and live in the other side of the Atlantic, we see that "I 've never thought of Greeks as white" as pure paranoia, pure crap. Maybe in the perverted minds of some people in US we are not white, but this doesn't change the fact of what we are and what our identity really is. Whites are not only the American WASPs and irish Catholics. Anyway, I find it completely funny and stupid not to be considered white, which defies completely common sense.
@@nytn This "John Masauredis" didn't exist. I searched and found an article in the online Newspaper called Εθνικός Κύρυξ from 2022 that mentions a person named John Masourides that most likely is the person that you mentioned. Masourides is a name that comes from Pontus, Cappadocia or Cyprus, which would explain easier that he was "dark skinned, medium height" than Kalamata, where "dark skinned" is highly unlikely.
@@aftastosk6016 correct, some newspapers spelled his name different ways
Tourists go to Greece in the summer for vacations, and because Greeks like to sunbathe and spend most of their time outdoors, they think this is their skin color, all year round!!!
Also on the islands most are fishermen and people who work in the countryside and in open spaces and because there is a lot of sunshine it is natural that they are sunburned and not black!!!
Yes. I’m greek and I’m white as a ghost in the winter. My daughter was also born whiter than white. But we tan. 1/2 of my 40 first cousins in the Peloponnes have lighter hair and blue or hazel eyes.
No one ever talks about skin colour but facial features and structure. In Dodecanese islands people definitely have darker features than northern Greeks and you can find Western Asian and southern Italian appearance quite common there.
Saying all Greeks have white milk skin and blonde and medium brown hair only is white supremacy and sounds like Hitler.