Great show Tim and crew. The regrets are a part of the watch collecting experience. I think I learn more from these "regret buy/sell" than the normal purchase.
Thank you, Abdul! Reflecting on wins and losses from an emotional standpoint keeps us in touch with what we really enjoy. Occasional critical perspective provides the focus that's necessary to move ahead with a collection. Best, Tim
Oddly enough, the BEST boutique experience I ever had was at an IWC boutique in Strasbourg. I was lavished with coffee and a salesmen who was genuine and enthusiastic. I still recommend that boutique to lots of friends of mine
I totally agree on standard water resistance language- ok for shower, ok for swimming, ok for surfing, ok for snorkeling etc. it boggles my my mind that 30m WR isn’t ok for swimming. It’s not WR to 98 feet if it can’t handle however deep my arm can reach on a standard crawl stroke. Plus, the fact that I can buy a watch for less than $200 USD that’s WR enough recreation diving makes me wonder why anyone building a tens of thousands of dollars watch wouldn’t just automatically protect that watch from water immersion. The only exception should be true pilots watches built to withstand rapid cabin decompression. Seriously, if you’re charging $20,000 for a watch, just add the extra $200 to make sure it doesn’t become useless if I fall in the pool.
Pop off Tim! Idk who’s teaching these sales associates to be so condescending and who it’s working on but it’s been really disappointing to see as a relatively newcomer to the hobby.
It's getting to be crazy. Even I could complete that service in two weeks -- and that's with time to run a few multi-day timing tests before delivery. Best, Tim
I'm so with you on the standardized water resistance ratings, and timely service returns, Tim. Let's even give them three months, that would still constitute an industry revolution.
And even 3 months is a while. It's getting to the point where we're eager to endorse service return a timeframe that would push us to engage lemon laws and buyback laws if a car service center spent this much time on a repair. Plus, cars have thousands more parts and complex integration of computer, mechanical, chemical, and fluid-dynamic science. Most watches are just a bunch of springs and wheels. Best, Tim
Blancpain is telling me it will take 6 months to change out bracelet to a strap.... about a year ago they got rid of their in-house watchmaker in New York City and now they are saying all upper-end Swatch brands (Breguet, Jaquet Droz, Harry Winston, Blancpain, etc.) will be serviced in Miami instead of Secaucus. On a more light-hearted note, I had to laugh at Tim pulling the classic Harvard move (replying "Boston" when asked where one went to college) when he said New Hampshire instead of Dartmouth.
Well, I never stand on ceremony, and I try not to name-drop anything or anyone without a good reason. Hanover is where I've been, not where I am or where I'm going. I hope my story's not written yet. Best, Tim
Standardized water resistance ratings, standardized definitions of watch classifications (diver, pilot, doctor, etc.), etc. would all be a good thing. When you have various industries making up their own terms (BMW and their use of the term SAV instead of SUV), brands calling four door vehicles a “coupe”, etc then the waters become badly muddied. As one of my high school math teachers would cantankerously attack certain students with “say what you mean and mean what you say!” when kids would screw up notations or generally turn in a sloppy math assignment. It’s hard to do that, in any realm, when you don’t have standard terminology to define what things are.
I can't fathom how thousands of suppliers spread across dozens of countries can agree to standardize automotive emission limits, VINs, component communication protocols, and diagnostic systems, but two Swiss companies a few hundred meters apart have different interpretation of water resistance ratings. Isn't water the same for everyone? Best, Tim
I sent my Breguet 5157 for a service. To Breguet. I was told it would take three months. For a quote. I was then asked how much I was willing to pay. What the actual duck? Water resistance. Yes. It’s ridiculous. I don’t understand watches well enough but a screw down crown and pushers if it’s a chrono are a must for me if I’m swimming with a watch. And to the first wrist shot. Holy mother of A L Breguet. Nice
Great content. I took my 150m water resistant (non screw down crown) Christopher Ward in my backyard pool & got water in it. CW charged over $350 for a service. I'll never take a watch without a screw down crown into the pool again. I don't trust water rainings otherwise.
Sadly, this is exactly the kind of consequence I had in mind. Assuming this wasn't just a QC disaster by CW, it recaps why I think screw-down crowns are a bigger part of swimmable water resistance than depth ratings. FPJ's Elegante is 30m with a screw-down and swimmable, but your 150m CW is a risk around water. Best, Tim
@@the1916companywatchreviews When CW got the watch in for service, they said the water resistance testing was normal & blamed the damage on the crown now being pushed all the way down. Even when I got it back from service, I got caught in a rain shower & fog appeared on the inside of the crystal. I've barely warn the watch since, as it was meant as my daily wear. Lesson definitely learned.
I thought so, too. The Star of India in the background really makes the shot. I believe it's maintained in sailing condition and occasionally cruises the local waters with a volunteer crew. Best, Tim
Here's an idea on WR: how about manufacturers actually tell us what gaskets they use and where. I've always had a hard time understanding how some watches are rated 5ATM with a threaded crown, and some others are rated 10ATM with a push-pull crown. Why don't manufacturers tell us what gaskets they use and where in the case, and then offer a recommendation for using the watch in water.
Quickie poll for Tim's fans. If you own a Rolex, Patek, or any dive watch over 1,000 dollars or euros, how comfortable do feel taking it into a swimming pool or the ocean? To me there always is the question of the condition of the gaskets and the risk of damaging the watch should water get in the case.
Static pressures are kinda unrelated to wear pressures. A shower pressure is far more than a bar. And it’s over a tiny area. Old compressor style watches work with static pressures. The entire crystal, crown, back have the same pressure. The compression tightens the seals. A single drop from a shower hits with a high pressure on a 2mm circle can slip by compression seals. See also diving. Jump off the deck of the pool into the 1m end. Your wrist won’t go more than a few centimeters deep. But the pressure on the watch is huge. The problem with standards is on the reader. Three bar is 300 000 pascals. That’s what it means. It has nothing to do with human behavior. Perhaps makers should say 300 kpa. Then people won’t get their shorts in a bundle. The problem is watch makers are forced to publish things in meters and consumers misunderstand it. And every sales person then has to translate that to the buyers.
I know, right? A global auto industry of dozens of countries and thousands of suppliers can agree on things like VIN codes, emissions standards, and diagnostic systems. But two separate companies three kilometers apart in one country? They'll never agree on water resistance ratings. Best, Tim
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Why are watches listing 30 meters if its not a “true” 30 meters? Are they just lying right on the watch? If it can’t go to 30 meters, don’t put 30 meters on the watch. This is the most bizarre and unacceptable aspect of the watch industry, this idea that there’s a “real” and “unreal” depth rating. If a watch is rated to X meters, that means it went into a pressure test and was pressurized in water to X meters and did not leak. Otherwise, the brands which are lying on their watches should be sued for false advertising.
One powerful stroke while swimming (less than a meter depth) and the pressure probably reaches x10. Combine it with your watch being exposed on sunlight and then gets in contact with cold water (20 C range difference) than say goodbye on anything less than 200 m
Great show Tim and crew. The regrets are a part of the watch collecting experience. I think I learn more from these "regret buy/sell" than the normal purchase.
Thank you, Abdul! Reflecting on wins and losses from an emotional standpoint keeps us in touch with what we really enjoy. Occasional critical perspective provides the focus that's necessary to move ahead with a collection.
Best,
Tim
How cold is it in that studio?
Tim is so cool that when he starts his podcast the room temperature drops 50 degrees. 😂. Thanks for another great show!!!!
Chilly!
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Tim
@@the1916company😂😂😂
Oddly enough, the BEST boutique experience I ever had was at an IWC boutique in Strasbourg. I was lavished with coffee and a salesmen who was genuine and enthusiastic. I still recommend that boutique to lots of friends of mine
Great to hear! Boutique success stories make me happy.
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Tim
1 year wait time for Sinn/RGM chronograph servicing.
Too much. Agreed.
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Tim
We need merch asap! Only three weeks to Christmas and I need whatever you’re selling shipped to the Uk. All the best, Ed
This is coming soon. In fact, I have some pilot production pieces already in hand.
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Tim
I totally agree on standard water resistance language- ok for shower, ok for swimming, ok for surfing, ok for snorkeling etc. it boggles my my mind that 30m WR isn’t ok for swimming. It’s not WR to 98 feet if it can’t handle however deep my arm can reach on a standard crawl stroke. Plus, the fact that I can buy a watch for less than $200 USD that’s WR enough recreation diving makes me wonder why anyone building a tens of thousands of dollars watch wouldn’t just automatically protect that watch from water immersion. The only exception should be true pilots watches built to withstand rapid cabin decompression. Seriously, if you’re charging $20,000 for a watch, just add the extra $200 to make sure it doesn’t become useless if I fall in the pool.
Pop off Tim! Idk who’s teaching these sales associates to be so condescending and who it’s working on but it’s been really disappointing to see as a relatively newcomer to the hobby.
I hope somebody who's a decision maker watches these shows from time to time.
Best,
Tim
Great show as always. Thanks, Tim!
Thank you, Jeff!
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Tim
amen on the servicing point. I've been waiting 6 months for my simple three hander parmigiani....
I would like to polish the case of my PF but the waiting time is just too long
It's getting to be crazy. Even I could complete that service in two weeks -- and that's with time to run a few multi-day timing tests before delivery.
Best,
Tim
I'm so with you on the standardized water resistance ratings, and timely service returns, Tim. Let's even give them three months, that would still constitute an industry revolution.
And even 3 months is a while. It's getting to the point where we're eager to endorse service return a timeframe that would push us to engage lemon laws and buyback laws if a car service center spent this much time on a repair. Plus, cars have thousands more parts and complex integration of computer, mechanical, chemical, and fluid-dynamic science. Most watches are just a bunch of springs and wheels.
Best,
Tim
Or at the least provide a loaner
Blancpain is telling me it will take 6 months to change out bracelet to a strap.... about a year ago they got rid of their in-house watchmaker in New York City and now they are saying all upper-end Swatch brands (Breguet, Jaquet Droz, Harry Winston, Blancpain, etc.) will be serviced in Miami instead of Secaucus. On a more light-hearted note, I had to laugh at Tim pulling the classic Harvard move (replying "Boston" when asked where one went to college) when he said New Hampshire instead of Dartmouth.
Had a horrible experience with glashutte trying to buy an OEM bracelet. Swatch group customer service needs to be better!
Well, I never stand on ceremony, and I try not to name-drop anything or anyone without a good reason. Hanover is where I've been, not where I am or where I'm going. I hope my story's not written yet.
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Tim
@@the1916company My favorite example is I had a guy tell me he went to Stiles instead of Yale.
Best videos in the biz!
Thank you for this kind feedback!
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Tim
Ahhh been missing the live shows recently. Hopefully catch the next one 🤞🏽
Standardized water resistance ratings, standardized definitions of watch classifications (diver, pilot, doctor, etc.), etc. would all be a good thing.
When you have various industries making up their own terms (BMW and their use of the term SAV instead of SUV), brands calling four door vehicles a “coupe”, etc then the waters become badly muddied.
As one of my high school math teachers would cantankerously attack certain students with “say what you mean and mean what you say!” when kids would screw up notations or generally turn in a sloppy math assignment. It’s hard to do that, in any realm, when you don’t have standard terminology to define what things are.
I can't fathom how thousands of suppliers spread across dozens of countries can agree to standardize automotive emission limits, VINs, component communication protocols, and diagnostic systems, but two Swiss companies a few hundred meters apart have different interpretation of water resistance ratings. Isn't water the same for everyone?
Best,
Tim
@ amen!
I sent my Breguet 5157 for a service.
To Breguet.
I was told it would take three months.
For a quote.
I was then asked how much I was willing to pay.
What the actual duck?
Water resistance. Yes. It’s ridiculous.
I don’t understand watches well enough but a screw down crown and pushers if it’s a chrono are a must for me if I’m swimming with a watch.
And to the first wrist shot.
Holy mother of A L Breguet.
Nice
Great content. I took my 150m water resistant (non screw down crown) Christopher Ward in my backyard pool & got water in it. CW charged over $350 for a service. I'll never take a watch without a screw down crown into the pool again. I don't trust water rainings otherwise.
Sadly, this is exactly the kind of consequence I had in mind. Assuming this wasn't just a QC disaster by CW, it recaps why I think screw-down crowns are a bigger part of swimmable water resistance than depth ratings. FPJ's Elegante is 30m with a screw-down and swimmable, but your 150m CW is a risk around water.
Best,
Tim
@@the1916companywatchreviews When CW got the watch in for service, they said the water resistance testing was normal & blamed the damage on the crown now being pushed all the way down. Even when I got it back from service, I got caught in a rain shower & fog appeared on the inside of the crystal. I've barely warn the watch since, as it was meant as my daily wear. Lesson definitely learned.
Terrible QC!
If you say 30m you should be able to snorkel with it, if you can’t than anyone advertising it is committing fraud,
The reality has been so divorced from the number for so long that it doesn't usually work this way.
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Tim
Whoa I thought it was Tim Pool at first. Diggin the Beanie
the tudor in san diego is beautiful!!!
I thought so, too. The Star of India in the background really makes the shot. I believe it's maintained in sailing condition and occasionally cruises the local waters with a volunteer crew.
Best,
Tim
Love this. Watch brands should consider actual standards or watch collectors keep what they have an move on from the hobby.
Here's an idea on WR: how about manufacturers actually tell us what gaskets they use and where. I've always had a hard time understanding how some watches are rated 5ATM with a threaded crown, and some others are rated 10ATM with a push-pull crown.
Why don't manufacturers tell us what gaskets they use and where in the case, and then offer a recommendation for using the watch in water.
Tim, do you believe Patek’s statement about the 30 meter water resistance?
Quickie poll for Tim's fans. If you own a Rolex, Patek, or any dive watch over 1,000 dollars or euros, how comfortable do feel taking it into a swimming pool or the ocean? To me there always is the question of the condition of the gaskets and the risk of damaging the watch should water get in the case.
Static pressures are kinda unrelated to wear pressures. A shower pressure is far more than a bar. And it’s over a tiny area. Old compressor style watches work with static pressures. The entire crystal, crown, back have the same pressure. The compression tightens the seals. A single drop from a shower hits with a high pressure on a 2mm circle can slip by compression seals. See also diving. Jump off the deck of the pool into the 1m end. Your wrist won’t go more than a few centimeters deep. But the pressure on the watch is huge. The problem with standards is on the reader. Three bar is 300 000 pascals. That’s what it means. It has nothing to do with human behavior. Perhaps makers should say 300 kpa. Then people won’t get their shorts in a bundle. The problem is watch makers are forced to publish things in meters and consumers misunderstand it. And every sales person then has to translate that to the buyers.
Tim, thoughts on a roger dubuis excalibur skeleton tourbillon titanium 100meters 40mm DBEX0815 @51,000 usd serviced in 2023 full set?
"That car was porn." 🤣 Tim, you're hilarious! Great show. I always look forward to it. Thank you.
I agree 100% with everything you've said about standardisation of water resistance claims / ratings.
Seems like common sense.
I know, right? A global auto industry of dozens of countries and thousands of suppliers can agree on things like VIN codes, emissions standards, and diagnostic systems. But two separate companies three kilometers apart in one country? They'll never agree on water resistance ratings.
Best,
Tim
Thanks for sharing such valuable information! Could you help me with something unrelated: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). Could you explain how to move them to Binance?
Start producing watches with the Genequand regulator... now.
I always thought the Karma was the sexiest sedan south of a RR, too bad they couldn’t figure out the electronics. Maybe Elon could help them out 🤔
Why are watches listing 30 meters if its not a “true” 30 meters? Are they just lying right on the watch? If it can’t go to 30 meters, don’t put 30 meters on the watch. This is the most bizarre and unacceptable aspect of the watch industry, this idea that there’s a “real” and “unreal” depth rating. If a watch is rated to X meters, that means it went into a pressure test and was pressurized in water to X meters and did not leak. Otherwise, the brands which are lying on their watches should be sued for false advertising.
Because 30m by itself doesn't mean much.
I hate the beanie, but once you stop wearing it I will miss it like the glasses 😂
Its just a functional beanie. No biggy.
OMG Tim that car u used to own is freaking amazingly man!!!!!!! Damn! Sexy as hell ❤
No available at this part of the world,,,, Singapore
One powerful stroke while swimming (less than a meter depth) and the pressure probably reaches x10. Combine it with your watch being exposed on sunlight and then gets in contact with cold water (20 C range difference) than say goodbye on anything less than 200 m
Are some of my comments being suppressed? There is no profanity or personal information in them.