even as a huge t-mac fan, this was during an all-star which really doesn't matter what happens. I agree 100% with d0ngsoo, finally someone who understands!
tracy mcgrady is one of the most natural talented players of all time. injuries and work ethic set him back big time. he could have easily gone down as top 10-20 all time greatest players in the league.
Its not about what you have done in a season its about the thrilled and excitement you bring to the fansT-MAC IS AMAZING AND FOR THE EVIDENCE :McGrady scored 13 points in the final 35 seconds to rally the Rockets past the Spurs 81-80. Houston trailed 74-64 with just over a minute remaining, but McGrady nailed four three-pointers down the stretch, including the game-winner with 1.7 seconds remaining. ''For all those fans who left the game early ... ya'll missed a great game,'' McGrady said.
T-mac i just wanted everyone to know when him and yao stayed healthy they were the two best duo to ever play the game and almost broke the record for the most consecutive wins!!! every year the rockets start out being the best team then they fall off.. bc of injury!! Mcgrady would be considered one of the best players to ever play the game if he could stay healthy
That Year T-Mac almost set the record for most points scored in an All-Star game. He was the team that year. If they had not lost a close one, he would've been the MVP instead of LBJ...
man T-Mac is one of the best players in history no doubt about it. too bad he ended up being like Penny Hardaway all injured up but hes still killin it wit the Knicks so hopefully now he can get to the playoffs and outta the 2nd round with Amar'e Stoudemire now cuz that nigga deserves it
I've never seen a 'super star' get old and weak as fast as T-Mac. It makes you wonder if he ever really was that good. He never even made it to a conference finals that I can remember.
Tmac is my fav and always will be... Even his little points he makes with the pistons are awsome. Hopfully he starts taking more shots as the season progresses.
honestly i like McGrady but his days are done. when i was in elementry skool, biggest names in the game- iverson, carter, mcgrady. look at them now. all still have talent and grace. but all hit there prime within 5-6 years. iverson - ROTY, scoring title, 00-01 MVP, brought team to finals, carter- ROTY, greatest dunk champ, mcgrady - MIP, scoring title. u wud think they has more. all this within 5 years of their career
Are you kidding me? Kobe has had an All Star team placed around him from day one. I'm not knocking Kobe, but in my opinion a prime T-Mac is better than a prime Kobe.
Overrate??? This guy was one of the best before the injuries. He was amazing, day in and day out. He made it look so easy to score and do I have to say "13pts in 33secs". Something that Kobe never did! This guy could score at will and if he had the talented teammates like Kobe...the sky was the limit.
@anjoskold McGrady had a great basketball body, he just didn't have good conditioning. It was clear he didn't train much or hit much weights. Without conditioning and or weight training, injuries come easier. Wade was always getting injured before he started training with Tim Grover (Michael Jordan's trainer). After he started working with Grover, Wade came back with a 30 ppg season onto his scoring title.
My friends keep saying "Mcgradys washed up and done" i told them to GTFOH. there both kobe and lebron fans. so i told them atleast my player doesn't travel or rape women. i told them "even tho mcgrady wont be in the hall of fame but will be remembered for doing one of the best comebacks in nba history" then they said "well kobes gonna be remembered for championships and doing a 81 point game" i said "kobe did 81 points against the fucking raptors and the man likes to rape women" ok i'm done
ok i won't tell you anything but this: go and check tmac numbers back then and you see they are better as well as tmac's kind of playing which is a lot more talented compared to lebron...you can't compare james to magic...he was an exellent ball handler just like tmac and a great shooter,,almost like tmac....if lebron doesn't upgrade his basketball quality he will never be like that tmac back then or johnson...he relies on strength..this is not bball...and what about kobe....this is skill man
@DeathMetalforever My comment makes perfect sense. I NEVER said that injuries don't happen with training/conditioning. I said quote, "injuries come easier." Injuries are inevitable, it's impossible to avoid. But with good conditioning and training, recovering from injuries are much easier, it's a fact. I even used Wade as an example to prove my point. After training with Grover, he has only missed a TOTAL of 14 games. He missed 31 games in only ONE season before training with grover.
@TheHayray57 okay they avergaed 50 ppg as a dou but that wasnt for an entire season because either yoa or tracy were injured,and the 22 game win streak was an example of the rockets having a good team around them as well because landry,battier,alston,jackson,head,scola,and hayes contributed to each of those games and especially when yao went down.Dont get me wrong they were great together but they go nothing besides the streak,and they never go out the first round when both were playing
@ThaTruth223 it wasnt just kareem and magic... it wanst just jordan and pippen.. and shaq and kobe had a better team.. but even statically... when yao wasnt hurt he was averaging 25 points a game and shooting 51 percent.. and it was his third year in the nba 2006.. him and tracy averaged alone 50 points a game.. more then kobe and shaq i believe,.. and the fact that they had a 22 winstreak...with out yao says alot.. if they both stayed healthy they would of been the best duo..never know tho : (
@stevel920 Great players to never win an MVP: Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, George Mikan, Rick Barry, Isiah Thomas, Dominique Wilkins, John Stockton, John Havlicek, Patrick Ewing, Gary Payton, Clyde Drexler, And arguably in the top 3 greatest players of all time, George Gervin. My point? MVP's don't make a player great. There are many great players in the league at one time, they all can't win MVP's. But that does't mean they're not great.
so i see a lot of kobe sucks comments,tisk tisk,are you trolls really gonna believe that or is lebrons over hyped skills too foggy to see real skill.Yes he can pass better,rebound better,and he can score better (due to kobes age).But lets face it besides Tim Duncan Kobe is one of the most skilled players playing today.Work ethic,leadership,professionalism,maturity,and a killer instinct are things that lebron lacks and kobe thrives on.When he polishes his game and show class then ill respect him
@SuperRafa1212 That's all I'm saying. Karl Malone and John Stockton were great players, but not the best players ever to play, just like LeBron. Michael Jordan stopped Malone and Stockton from winning. Tony Parker in 07 and Dirk Nowitzki this year stopped LeBron. That's the only point I'm trying to get across: That LeBron James is hype. Only because people compare him to greats like Michael Jordan and other champions.
@Zangetsu1435 Steve Nash didn't win a ring, but he's arguably the best PG in the league. Reggie Miller never won it, but he's one of the best shooters in the game. Malone and Stockton never won a ring, but they're probably the best duet ever in the history of NBA... And so on. Truth is there are much more great players than there are rings and players who didn't win it should not be slayed for it. James is great player, as well as Miller, Nash and others are/were, it's not all about the rings.
@LiLSiCk916 mj had great role players and that's what it takes to build a dynasty. That's why LeBron never won a title in cleveland, cuz he did not have great role players. But Michael Jordan was the great human being to ever pick up a basketball. Tmac never made it out of the first round and if he was a great player, regardless of his team he'd get outa the first round, like lebron did with cleveland many times, even takin a HORRIBLE supporting cast to the FINALS.
@MirrorballMankind Please dont be blasphemous...Kobe is not on Bird or Magic's level...his regular season numbers were always better than his playoff numbers...he needed a Shaq or Gasol to help lea the way..Shaq got him his 1st 3...Gasol saved him so many times...2 yrs ago when that stupid Houston team locked Kobe to 12 points in gm 7, Gasol popped 30...how the hell did they give him finals mvp this last yr??? and u wanna compare him to the god of the game?MJ?? 6 time nba finals mvp..hilarious
IF IF IF! Keep coming up with more "IF"s T-Mac fans because that is the only way anyone can compare him to the actual greatest players of the game. IF IF IF! While Kobe has reached the level of being measured to Michael, Magic, Larry, and Kareem.... Haters are still bumbling to find ways to put players like Tmac, Iverson, and Lebron on Kobe's level. Hilarious! XD Kiss the rings you delusional know-nothings.
@AllKobe24 So you don't if he can't win a championship. I was the first one to say Heat ain't gonna play good this year. But if they get hot like they did in LA i don't there is anything in the world stopping him. So let's wait and see what happens and then we can decide if LBJ can win a championship or not. Offcourse if they will they are all gonna say he needed 2 more stars to do it. Anyway... life is never fair
@AllKobe24 And kobe can? You live in your own dream if you think Kobe or MJ or anyone won a championship on his own.. And by the way don't bother saying that kobe has 5 rings and Lebron doesn't have one. Cause i will answer in James' age MJ didn't have either, and then i will say that robert horry has 7 rings but that doesn't make him the best player in the nba. i respect kobe i love it when he is hot but relax man he is not perfect, nobody is.
@RealDeal336 the only thing kobe is better at wich a lot of idiots hallucinate over and take and run with it...is kobes post pivot skills and post jumpers...nicer looking shot (not better)...and smoother ball handling....those things mostly have no effect on a players efficiency and productivity...goddammit son im tired of owning you...i know so much more about basketball then you and its clear....just stop watching this game...go analyze baseball kid...or golf....
@RealDeal336 funny how u have to rely on what mj says and cant read inbetween the lines cuz apparently u dont have enuff basketball knowledge 2 form ur own opinion so u have to take MJ's word for it...jus cuz MJ is the GOAT doesnt mean everything he says is true n correct...he has his own opinions that are just that..a lot of wich are driven by his own emotion...meaning its hard for him to be unbiased..whereas if jerry west says lebrons better than kobe and could be the GOAT that means something
@armiasazariya If miami has to go to the championship finals the bulls & orlando are the only 2 teams to challenge them before they get there. Stop talking crazy like the bulls do not have a squad. Miami has 2 superstars with big egos & 1 all star. The bulls have the best all around complete team in the east. Miami not so much, 2 superstars 1 all star & a bunch of scrubs. This is not nba 2k11, the heat are not untouchable.
@kinnamank If you check his playoff stats he averaged more almost everything, the only player he had to back him up was Yao & Yao stayed injured. Also around that time the west was extremely competitive. The bulls maybe the perfect team for him to show you. Whether he is a starter or not he will be a factor as he always has been. Everybody talks about the heat, the heat only look good on paper. If lebron or wade gets injured thats the same playoff team as last year. Bulls VS LA come playoff time
@westmatt007 im not a huge fan of any player i just like good basketball. I dont give the best players to much credit because basketball is a team sport. You saw in these playoffs what having good support players does, for instance kobe didnt make 1 game winning shot or play but his teammates did. You saw steve nash again take a average group of guys to the western finals and you saw lebron throw up the white flag. Also kobe the best player? Didnt steve nash beat him a few years ago.(kobes prime
@westmatt007 naw not a huge fan of him either but i do think hes better then kobe right now. Kobe shot 40% against the thunder and the celtics. 1st and 10 showed a stat where he shot less then 40% in the 4rth quarter. Pau was actually the best player for the lakers through out the whole playoffs. He made boozer to small and outplayed kg by far, where as kobe struggled alot of games. Kobe in game 7 vs boston almost cost them the game with bad shots and to. Pau had 9 off rebounds.
@MW2Addiction Kobe better than Jordan in his prime? Yes he has done JORDANS moves but he would only have been able to do them from watching Jordan in his prime. Not only that yes it is impressive when Kobe has 3 players guarding him but then again thats just Kobe ball hogging. And comparing Kobe pulling off moves compared to Jordan is ridiculous considering how easy it is to pull a foul in todays game. Back in Jordans days the defense was a lot harder to get by as fouls were not caused by a poke
wow hahah i been getting bashed for saying some simple things! hahah sorry if i crushed your spirit everyone has own opinions! damn that was mine and yea jordan is good like i have said before i would just like to see him play at his prime with our generation of players..srrry for ppl that are all ova jordans nuts saying im retarded for ever comparing ppl or kobe to him... stop blowing jordan and think for a second goodness!
do u gise not get it kobe is in his 30s he cant dunk like he used 2 he cant hav a fast cross over like he used 2 hes getting close 2 tht age i lov kobe but when he was number 8 he was a faster and smarter player than lebron now hes just smarter thts y he is so good cuz hes smart lebron is strong and tall he dosnt need 2 jump tht hard 2 dunk 10 years ago kobe wood of finished tht dunk not get tossed lebrons defence is also horrible every nba player knows not 2 cross your feet on defence
3rd best scorer ever, never really had a long playoff run so what does that mean? How about these stats for you:0 playoff wins, 30 games played this past season(his team makes it to the second round), here is a better stat for you other than scoring titles: .438: tmac's career shooting percentage. He would whip my ass even if he was injured? no shit, he's in the damn nba. I never said he was a bad player but he is nothing compared to lebron and kobe.
Why is everyone saying that tmac is the 2nd best player in the league? This is the same guy who has never won a playoff series, right? Honestly, I don't think a single NBA team wants him right now. Think about it, a very talented guy who gives you 30 games a year, shoots a low percentage, and if he is healthy for the playoffs, he will choke. Yeah, it'd be difficult for me to even consider him as one of the top 20 players in the league.
yes agree driving ability is important.james has this...this is the real truth..as you said james is a better defender,,,a better rebounder and a greater passer as far as assists are concerned...but that does not mean he is a better playmaker....tmac has greater dribble,,he can make dexterity drills,lebron can't,,and also his passing abilities are proven great although he doesn't get as much assists as LB....some of tmac's passes are like magic's ones..and of course tmac is a better shooter
Tracy is better then Vince Carter. Vince = Explosive Dunks , TMac= Shots,Rebs.. Tmac dint have a team in houston. I live in houston and yao ming was just sorry. He never played 30 games straight without a injury. Houston [ my team ] is just ass and , * crys * we need somebody thats good cause they only pratice fa 30 mins
@nba2kfan15 Eddie House has a ring. Would you pick him for your team over LeBron? Rings don't = Skill. They equal team. Which is EXACTLY why LeBron didn't win in Cleveland. 1st year with a new team and they make the Finals? Get ready to see your hero fall buddy. Miami Heat are about to take your favorite player #24 off the rankings.
@SuperRafa1212 If he's the most dominant player in the game, why has he still not won? He's in his prime with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh, who all are still fairly young, and they lost to a team whose best players were in their mid to late 30s, way past their prime. LeBron James = OVERHYPED. LeBron the King? King of what? King of coming up short?
@SuperRafa1212 LeBron is hype. I rooted for him until he decided to leave Cleveland. Yeah he's a great player, I never denied that. But he gets attention like he's the best player to ever have played. He hasn't proved that yet, let alone win a championship ring. He teamed up with two other superstars just for that reason, and STILL lost.
@SuperRafa1212 Stats aren't everything. 0 for 2 in the finals. He basically left his own town and formed a super team, and still couldn't get the ring. Not saying that LeBron doesn't have the potential to be something greater than anything we've ever seen. Just saying that as he is now, he's overhyped. The attention most people give Lebron is something only a champion deserves.
Part of being a great player is working to keep your body healthy and in good shape. LeBron James does that, as he constantly hits the gym. Tmac never really did that, which makes LeBron the greater player. And if Tmac had never gotten injured in his whold career, and faced against LeBron now, LeBron would own him.
@MirrorballMankind How are you gonna question the of others and call them know-nothings? 1st of all, T-Mac might be better than if he was healthy and maybe he might not be. 2nd, I know him being how he is now and what he could be are 2 different things and 3rd of all, it's T-Mac's life so if anybody should be arguing it should be him.
@shea21212 8 for 26 9 for 30 6 for 24 games like that he bitch to the refs to the freethrow line which get him points and another thing when kobe stop going for stats la is the best team, i mean when he scores under 15 his reb ast and stuff is up they blow teams out when he put up 25 plus, they either lose or when by a pt or 2
@lorenllbj88 did kobe retire yet? He's getting old...this is his last year as a true performing team leader in my mind...the team is going to carry him this year, while he claims all the accolades of a winning season....while lebron takes on most of the load of a team in shambles, just like he did in Cleveland.....kobe WAS better, until this year....now it's LBJ's turn
T-Mac is coming to the bulls tomorrow. He will prove all you haters wrong. How can people say he is a loser when he has been injured for 2 1/2 years. This guy lead the league in scoring & was once either on kobe's level or better. In his debut game for the knicks he dropped 26 points. People are so dumb nowadays. Bulls 2011 Champions!!!
@RoyalEFFnTee great point, robert horry has 7 rings and averaged 8pts and 6 rebounds in 28 minutes of gameplay in the playoffs. Man the rockets,lakers and spurs were so lucky to have him make 2 or 3 shots a game. Malone,barkely,dirk you'll never be as good as robert horry. Thank you for correcting me, slipped my mind he won 2 with the spurs.
@westmatt007 steve kerr, robert horry, and derek fisher have 5 rings too but in no way shape or form are they better then reggie miller,karl malone or john stockton. Just means they were on the best team. Kobe had plenty of games in the playoffs where he stunk it up, if it wasnt for his team they would of had 2 game 7's in the west and lost game 7 in the finals.
@Simataa the defernce between durant n mcgrady to me mcgrady cuda been the best ever he is real talented but stuff came so easy fo him he neva tried n u can tell he doesnt durant wants to get better mcgrady wants jus the money dats all he care about nd durant cant b in the decade becuz he jus got in the league at the end
@1kennykong he will never be as good as lebron though. i mean Durant at 21: 30.1 ppg 7.6 rpg 2.8 apg kobe at 21:22.5 ppg 6.3 rpg 4.9 apg tmac at 21: 26.8 ppg 7.5 rpg 4.6 apg lebron at 21: 31.4 ppg 7.0 rpg 6.6 apg even though durant at 21 is the youngest scoring champ in nba history. LeBron averaged more points then him at 21.
@1kennykong i don't know leBron's pretty. I hope durant can be better but i just don't see it happening. Lebron will dominate this league for the next 10 years. (unless that shoulder get's worse). And Arenas was good but injuries screwed him over. he's pretty old now + he's coming of an injury, i hope he can play like his old self.
@TalkNewYorkSports i must have missed that time. maybe it was when T-Mac was at home, watching the playoffs because he failed to advance. unlike those two. get real man. lebron and kobe are the legends of this generation. future generations will ask about those two, not about t-mac's exploits in a meaningless All-Star game or riding the pine in Houston.
Perhaps you mis-read my comment. I said that there was nothing significant about this. Its apart of the game. I guess you can post these moves up for highlights but in the end, I think it's really no big deal. This wasnt the first time Lebron got crossed and it wont be the last as long as he's still playing. IT'S A PART OF THE GAME.
damn, i wish t-mac didn't have all these injuries throughout his career. if he didn't, he definitely would have been the most exciting player of the decade. seeing the way he played at the ages of 24-29 was just crazy. and he definitely was better back then, then kobe at his best. its disappointing to see him going through all this right now.
You haven't been watching basketball for very long have you? T-Mac during his prime was the most explosive scorer in the NBA, and up there with Kobe as 1a and 1b for the best player in the league. I completely disagree with the fact that T-Mac never reached his potential, he definitely did, he just fell off so much the last few years people don't remember how good he used to be.
tmac played this allstar game with a injured knee and dropped 36 facts
Exactly why he never won anything.
Has to be one of the most athletic players to play the game, He is a good finisher like Kobe!
Only if T-Mac stayed healthy
Tmac will always be my ultimate fav player!
He's an all-time great ring or not!
Thanks for the many great years man!
T-Mac was the best player in the league
even as a huge t-mac fan, this was during an all-star which really doesn't matter what happens.
I agree 100% with d0ngsoo, finally someone who understands!
Tmac to much skill
tracy mcgrady is one of the most natural talented players of all time. injuries and work ethic set him back big time. he could have easily gone down as top 10-20 all time greatest players in the league.
I watch this once a month. Just to smile.
Its not about what you have done in a season its about the thrilled and excitement you bring to the fansT-MAC IS AMAZING AND FOR THE EVIDENCE :McGrady scored 13 points in the final 35 seconds to rally the Rockets past the Spurs 81-80. Houston trailed 74-64 with just over a minute remaining, but McGrady nailed four three-pointers down the stretch, including the game-winner with 1.7 seconds remaining. ''For all those fans who left the game early ... ya'll missed a great game,'' McGrady said.
T-mac i just wanted everyone to know when him and yao stayed healthy they were the two best duo to ever play the game and almost broke the record for the most consecutive wins!!! every year the rockets start out being the best team then they fall off.. bc of injury!! Mcgrady would be considered one of the best players to ever play the game if he could stay healthy
Good for my boy T-Mac. When Tmac is healthy, he is one of the most exciting players to watch. He can still ball. Tmac is a beast.
That Year T-Mac almost set the record for most points scored in an All-Star game. He was the team that year. If they had not lost a close one, he would've been the MVP instead of LBJ...
man T-Mac is one of the best players in history no doubt about it. too bad he ended up being like Penny Hardaway all injured up but hes still killin it wit the Knicks so hopefully now he can get to the playoffs and outta the 2nd round with Amar'e Stoudemire now cuz that nigga deserves it
possibly my favorite video on youtube. i've favorite this too many times
People already forget how good T-mac was, especially during his orlando days. Now hes become penny hardaway part 2.
i was jus like the crowd when i seen this "OOOOOOOOOOOHHHhhhhhwww......"
I've never seen a 'super star' get old and weak as fast as T-Mac. It makes you wonder if he ever really was that good. He never even made it to a conference finals that I can remember.
At the end of the video, Garnett was like ''Thats a bad muthafucka''.
he got so good that the nba thought he was to much for the other players to handle so they decided to remove him from the league.
And everyone was wondering where LeBron's decision to take his talent to South Beach came from... Right after that play.
He was like, "hey Lebron where you going man?"
Surprised King Nothing didn't stop this video from airing ~
Tmac is my fav and always will be... Even his little points he makes with the pistons are awsome. Hopfully he starts taking more shots as the season progresses.
honestly i like McGrady but his days are done. when i was in elementry skool, biggest names in the game- iverson, carter, mcgrady. look at them now. all still have talent and grace. but all hit there prime within 5-6 years. iverson - ROTY, scoring title, 00-01 MVP, brought team to finals, carter- ROTY, greatest dunk champ, mcgrady - MIP, scoring title. u wud think they has more. all this within 5 years of their career
Are you kidding me? Kobe has had an All Star team placed around him from day one. I'm not knocking Kobe, but in my opinion a prime T-Mac is better than a prime Kobe.
T MAC- 13 points in 33 seconds = AMAZING SHIT!
great accomplishment. hahaha. soo true. i dunno evn really like lebron but i can see how monstrous this guy is and how great this guys future is
When T-Mac is healthy hes unstoppable. Watch some clips of when he was on the Magic.
If mcgrady didnt get his knee injured in houston..he would have some rings...he still one of the best from.the 2000s
thtz wat im talkin bout 30 ppg, over 7 assist per game, over 4-5 steals per game, averaging most blocks for a gaurd, and 8 rebound per game
That's the Jordan on Russell move right there!
See how he put lebron on skates... silky smooth crossover...
TRACY BE4 INJURY= BEST if he stayed healthy, bestt of all timeee
T-mac made sure Lebron got his education. He took him to school with a old school move.
Tracey Mcgrady-The Second Round Virgin
good times good times, a young nash, kg, allen, prime tmac and lebron.
Man i miss the old McGrady.
Tmac 2001 - 2006 the best nba player. Fuck injuries!!!!!!
Overrate??? This guy was one of the best before the injuries. He was amazing, day in and day out. He made it look so easy to score and do I have to say "13pts in 33secs". Something that Kobe never did! This guy could score at will and if he had the talented teammates like Kobe...the sky was the limit.
@anjoskold McGrady had a great basketball body, he just didn't have good conditioning. It was clear he didn't train much or hit much weights. Without conditioning and or weight training, injuries come easier. Wade was always getting injured before he started training with Tim Grover (Michael Jordan's trainer). After he started working with Grover, Wade came back with a 30 ppg season onto his scoring title.
injuries got the best of tmac..if not he would easily be one of the best players in the NBA right now!
T-Macs problem was that his skill overshadowed his will.
Vote McGRADY for All Star!!! 69622 Its Free!!!!!!
T-Mac had the greatest talent packed in the shittiest body.
I remember owning with him in the early NBA live games
I'm Suprised That Your Family Can Even Afford A Computer.
I LOVE IT..
T MAC was the man
the guy who passed to t-mac travelled!
Im so mad when I see this video. If TMac wasnt hurt, we all know that he would have at least 4 straight mvp in the regular season
pray for my cousins
vince & tracy
@0:18 Ray and KG didnt know they would be teammates at Boston haha
Okay, I'm a die hard Kobe fan, so I'm not biased, but yes... T-Mac in his prime was twice the player LeBron is. T-Mac was unbelievable at his best.
Garnett is angry even on the allstar game
My friends keep saying "Mcgradys washed up and done" i told them to GTFOH. there both kobe and lebron fans. so i told them atleast my player doesn't travel or rape women. i told them "even tho mcgrady wont be in the hall of fame but will be remembered for doing one of the best comebacks in nba history" then they said "well kobes gonna be remembered for championships and doing a 81 point game" i said "kobe did 81 points against the fucking raptors and the man likes to rape women" ok i'm done
ok i won't tell you anything but this: go and check tmac numbers back then and you see they are better as well as tmac's kind of playing which is a lot more talented compared to lebron...you can't compare james to magic...he was an exellent ball handler just like tmac and a great shooter,,almost like tmac....if lebron doesn't upgrade his basketball quality he will never be like that tmac back then or johnson...he relies on strength..this is not bball...and what about kobe....this is skill man
@DeathMetalforever My comment makes perfect sense. I NEVER said that injuries don't happen with training/conditioning. I said quote, "injuries come easier." Injuries are inevitable, it's impossible to avoid. But with good conditioning and training, recovering from injuries are much easier, it's a fact. I even used Wade as an example to prove my point. After training with Grover, he has only missed a TOTAL of 14 games. He missed 31 games in only ONE season before training with grover.
@TheHayray57 okay they avergaed 50 ppg as a dou but that wasnt for an entire season because either yoa or tracy were injured,and the 22 game win streak was an example of the rockets having a good team around them as well because landry,battier,alston,jackson,head,scola,and hayes contributed to each of those games and especially when yao went down.Dont get me wrong they were great together but they go nothing besides the streak,and they never go out the first round when both were playing
@ThaTruth223 it wasnt just kareem and magic... it wanst just jordan and pippen.. and shaq and kobe had a better team.. but even statically... when yao wasnt hurt he was averaging 25 points a game and shooting 51 percent.. and it was his third year in the nba 2006.. him and tracy averaged alone 50 points a game.. more then kobe and shaq i believe,.. and the fact that they had a 22 winstreak...with out yao says alot.. if they both stayed healthy they would of been the best duo..never know tho : (
@stevel920 Great players to never win an MVP: Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, George Mikan, Rick Barry, Isiah Thomas, Dominique Wilkins, John Stockton, John Havlicek, Patrick Ewing, Gary Payton, Clyde Drexler, And arguably in the top 3 greatest players of all time, George Gervin. My point? MVP's don't make a player great. There are many great players in the league at one time, they all can't win MVP's. But that does't mean they're not great.
so i see a lot of kobe sucks comments,tisk tisk,are you trolls really gonna believe that or is lebrons over hyped skills too foggy to see real skill.Yes he can pass better,rebound better,and he can score better (due to kobes age).But lets face it besides Tim Duncan Kobe is one of the most skilled players playing today.Work ethic,leadership,professionalism,maturity,and a killer instinct are things that lebron lacks and kobe thrives on.When he polishes his game and show class then ill respect him
@SuperRafa1212 That's all I'm saying. Karl Malone and John Stockton were great players, but not the best players ever to play, just like LeBron. Michael Jordan stopped Malone and Stockton from winning. Tony Parker in 07 and Dirk Nowitzki this year stopped LeBron. That's the only point I'm trying to get across: That LeBron James is hype. Only because people compare him to greats like Michael Jordan and other champions.
@Zangetsu1435 Steve Nash didn't win a ring, but he's arguably the best PG in the league. Reggie Miller never won it, but he's one of the best shooters in the game. Malone and Stockton never won a ring, but they're probably the best duet ever in the history of NBA... And so on. Truth is there are much more great players than there are rings and players who didn't win it should not be slayed for it. James is great player, as well as Miller, Nash and others are/were, it's not all about the rings.
@LiLSiCk916 mj had great role players and that's what it takes to build a dynasty. That's why LeBron never won a title in cleveland, cuz he did not have great role players. But Michael Jordan was the great human being to ever pick up a basketball. Tmac never made it out of the first round and if he was a great player, regardless of his team he'd get outa the first round, like lebron did with cleveland many times, even takin a HORRIBLE supporting cast to the FINALS.
@MirrorballMankind
Please dont be blasphemous...Kobe is not on Bird or Magic's level...his regular season numbers were always better than his playoff numbers...he needed a Shaq or Gasol to help lea the way..Shaq got him his 1st 3...Gasol saved him so many times...2 yrs ago when that stupid Houston team locked Kobe to 12 points in gm 7, Gasol popped 30...how the hell did they give him finals mvp this last yr??? and u wanna compare him to the god of the game?MJ?? 6 time nba finals mvp..hilarious
IF IF IF! Keep coming up with more "IF"s T-Mac fans because that is the only way anyone can compare him to the actual greatest players of the game. IF IF IF!
While Kobe has reached the level of being measured to Michael, Magic, Larry, and Kareem.... Haters are still bumbling to find ways to put players like Tmac, Iverson, and Lebron on Kobe's level. Hilarious! XD Kiss the rings you delusional know-nothings.
@AllKobe24 So you don't if he can't win a championship. I was the first one to say Heat ain't gonna play good this year. But if they get hot like they did in LA i don't there is anything in the world stopping him. So let's wait and see what happens and then we can decide if LBJ can win a championship or not. Offcourse if they will they are all gonna say he needed 2 more stars to do it. Anyway... life is never fair
@AllKobe24 And kobe can? You live in your own dream if you think Kobe or MJ or anyone won a championship on his own.. And by the way don't bother saying that kobe has 5 rings and Lebron doesn't have one. Cause i will answer in James' age MJ didn't have either, and then i will say that robert horry has 7 rings but that doesn't make him the best player in the nba. i respect kobe i love it when he is hot but relax man he is not perfect, nobody is.
@RealDeal336 the only thing kobe is better at wich a lot of idiots hallucinate over and take and run with it...is kobes post pivot skills and post jumpers...nicer looking shot (not better)...and smoother ball handling....those things mostly have no effect on a players efficiency and productivity...goddammit son im tired of owning you...i know so much more about basketball then you and its clear....just stop watching this game...go analyze baseball kid...or golf....
@RealDeal336 funny how u have to rely on what mj says and cant read inbetween the lines cuz apparently u dont have enuff basketball knowledge 2 form ur own opinion so u have to take MJ's word for it...jus cuz MJ is the GOAT doesnt mean everything he says is true n correct...he has his own opinions that are just that..a lot of wich are driven by his own emotion...meaning its hard for him to be unbiased..whereas if jerry west says lebrons better than kobe and could be the GOAT that means something
@armiasazariya If miami has to go to the championship finals the bulls & orlando are the only 2 teams to challenge them before they get there. Stop talking crazy like the bulls do not have a squad. Miami has 2 superstars with big egos & 1 all star. The bulls have the best all around complete team in the east. Miami not so much, 2 superstars 1 all star & a bunch of scrubs. This is not nba 2k11, the heat are not untouchable.
@kinnamank If you check his playoff stats he averaged more almost everything, the only player he had to back him up was Yao & Yao stayed injured. Also around that time the west was extremely competitive. The bulls maybe the perfect team for him to show you. Whether he is a starter or not he will be a factor as he always has been. Everybody talks about the heat, the heat only look good on paper. If lebron or wade gets injured thats the same playoff team as last year. Bulls VS LA come playoff time
@westmatt007 im not a huge fan of any player i just like good basketball. I dont give the best players to much credit because basketball is a team sport. You saw in these playoffs what having good support players does, for instance kobe didnt make 1 game winning shot or play but his teammates did. You saw steve nash again take a average group of guys to the western finals and you saw lebron throw up the white flag. Also kobe the best player? Didnt steve nash beat him a few years ago.(kobes prime
@westmatt007 naw not a huge fan of him either but i do think hes better then kobe right now. Kobe shot 40% against the thunder and the celtics. 1st and 10 showed a stat where he shot less then 40% in the 4rth quarter. Pau was actually the best player for the lakers through out the whole playoffs. He made boozer to small and outplayed kg by far, where as kobe struggled alot of games. Kobe in game 7 vs boston almost cost them the game with bad shots and to. Pau had 9 off rebounds.
@MW2Addiction Kobe better than Jordan in his prime? Yes he has done JORDANS moves but he would only have been able to do them from watching Jordan in his prime. Not only that yes it is impressive when Kobe has 3 players guarding him but then again thats just Kobe ball hogging. And comparing Kobe pulling off moves compared to Jordan is ridiculous considering how easy it is to pull a foul in todays game. Back in Jordans days the defense was a lot harder to get by as fouls were not caused by a poke
wow hahah i been getting bashed for saying some simple things! hahah sorry if i crushed your spirit everyone has own opinions! damn that was mine and yea jordan is good like i have said before i would just like to see him play at his prime with our generation of players..srrry for ppl that are all ova jordans nuts saying im retarded for ever comparing ppl or kobe to him... stop blowing jordan and think for a second goodness!
do u gise not get it kobe is in his 30s he cant dunk like he used 2 he cant hav a fast cross over like he used 2 hes getting close 2 tht age i lov kobe but when he was number 8 he was a faster and smarter player than lebron now hes just smarter thts y he is so good cuz hes smart lebron is strong and tall he dosnt need 2 jump tht hard 2 dunk 10 years ago kobe wood of finished tht dunk not get tossed lebrons defence is also horrible every nba player knows not 2 cross your feet on defence
3rd best scorer ever, never really had a long playoff run so what does that mean? How about these stats for you:0 playoff wins, 30 games played this past season(his team makes it to the second round), here is a better stat for you other than scoring titles: .438: tmac's career shooting percentage. He would whip my ass even if he was injured? no shit, he's in the damn nba. I never said he was a bad player but he is nothing compared to lebron and kobe.
Why is everyone saying that tmac is the 2nd best player in the league? This is the same guy who has never won a playoff series, right? Honestly, I don't think a single NBA team wants him right now. Think about it, a very talented guy who gives you 30 games a year, shoots a low percentage, and if he is healthy for the playoffs, he will choke. Yeah, it'd be difficult for me to even consider him as one of the top 20 players in the league.
yes agree driving ability is important.james has this...this is the real truth..as you said james is a better defender,,,a better rebounder and a greater passer as far as assists are concerned...but that does not mean he is a better playmaker....tmac has greater dribble,,he can make dexterity drills,lebron can't,,and also his passing abilities are proven great although he doesn't get as much assists as LB....some of tmac's passes are like magic's ones..and of course tmac is a better shooter
Tracy is better then Vince Carter. Vince = Explosive Dunks , TMac= Shots,Rebs.. Tmac dint have a team in houston. I live in houston and yao ming was just sorry. He never played 30 games straight without a injury. Houston [ my team ] is just ass and , * crys * we need somebody thats good cause they only pratice fa 30 mins
@nba2kfan15 Eddie House has a ring. Would you pick him for your team over LeBron? Rings don't = Skill. They equal team. Which is EXACTLY why LeBron didn't win in Cleveland. 1st year with a new team and they make the Finals? Get ready to see your hero fall buddy. Miami Heat are about to take your favorite player #24 off the rankings.
@SuperRafa1212 If he's the most dominant player in the game, why has he still not won? He's in his prime with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh, who all are still fairly young, and they lost to a team whose best players were in their mid to late 30s, way past their prime. LeBron James = OVERHYPED. LeBron the King? King of what? King of coming up short?
@SuperRafa1212 LeBron is hype. I rooted for him until he decided to leave Cleveland. Yeah he's a great player, I never denied that. But he gets attention like he's the best player to ever have played. He hasn't proved that yet, let alone win a championship ring. He teamed up with two other superstars just for that reason, and STILL lost.
@SuperRafa1212 Stats aren't everything. 0 for 2 in the finals. He basically left his own town and formed a super team, and still couldn't get the ring. Not saying that LeBron doesn't have the potential to be something greater than anything we've ever seen. Just saying that as he is now, he's overhyped. The attention most people give Lebron is something only a champion deserves.
Part of being a great player is working to keep your body healthy and in good shape. LeBron James does that, as he constantly hits the gym. Tmac never really did that, which makes LeBron the greater player. And if Tmac had never gotten injured in his whold career, and faced against LeBron now, LeBron would own him.
@MirrorballMankind How are you gonna question the of others and call them know-nothings? 1st of all, T-Mac might be better than if he was healthy and maybe he might not be. 2nd, I know him being how he is now and what he could be are 2 different things and 3rd of all, it's T-Mac's life so if anybody should be arguing it should be him.
@shea21212 8 for 26
9 for 30
6 for 24
games like that he bitch to the refs to the freethrow line which get him points
and another thing when kobe stop going for stats la is the best team, i mean when he scores under 15 his reb ast and stuff is up they blow teams out when he put up 25 plus, they either lose or when by a pt or 2
@lorenllbj88 did kobe retire yet? He's getting old...this is his last year as a true performing team leader in my mind...the team is going to carry him this year, while he claims all the accolades of a winning season....while lebron takes on most of the load of a team in shambles, just like he did in Cleveland.....kobe WAS better, until this year....now it's LBJ's turn
T-Mac is coming to the bulls tomorrow. He will prove all you haters wrong. How can people say he is a loser when he has been injured for 2 1/2 years. This guy lead the league in scoring & was once either on kobe's level or better. In his debut game for the knicks he dropped 26 points. People are so dumb nowadays. Bulls 2011 Champions!!!
@RoyalEFFnTee great point, robert horry has 7 rings and averaged 8pts and 6 rebounds in 28 minutes of gameplay in the playoffs. Man the rockets,lakers and spurs were so lucky to have him make 2 or 3 shots a game. Malone,barkely,dirk you'll never be as good as robert horry. Thank you for correcting me, slipped my mind he won 2 with the spurs.
@westmatt007 steve kerr, robert horry, and derek fisher have 5 rings too but in no way shape or form are they better then reggie miller,karl malone or john stockton. Just means they were on the best team. Kobe had plenty of games in the playoffs where he stunk it up, if it wasnt for his team they would of had 2 game 7's in the west and lost game 7 in the finals.
@Simataa the defernce between durant n mcgrady to me mcgrady cuda been the best ever he is real talented but stuff came so easy fo him he neva tried n u can tell he doesnt durant wants to get better mcgrady wants jus the money dats all he care about nd durant cant b in the decade becuz he jus got in the league at the end
@1kennykong he will never be as good as lebron though.
i mean
Durant at 21: 30.1 ppg 7.6 rpg 2.8 apg
kobe at 21:22.5 ppg 6.3 rpg 4.9 apg
tmac at 21: 26.8 ppg 7.5 rpg 4.6 apg
lebron at 21: 31.4 ppg 7.0 rpg 6.6 apg
even though durant at 21 is the youngest scoring champ in nba history. LeBron averaged more points then him at 21.
@1kennykong i don't know leBron's pretty. I hope durant can be better but i just don't see it happening. Lebron will dominate this league for the next 10 years. (unless that shoulder get's worse). And Arenas was good but injuries screwed him over. he's pretty old now + he's coming of an injury, i hope he can play like his old self.
@TalkNewYorkSports i must have missed that time. maybe it was when T-Mac was at home, watching the playoffs because he failed to advance. unlike those two. get real man. lebron and kobe are the legends of this generation. future generations will ask about those two, not about t-mac's exploits in a meaningless All-Star game or riding the pine in Houston.
Perhaps you mis-read my comment. I said that there was nothing significant about this. Its apart of the game. I guess you can post these moves up for highlights but in the end, I think it's really no big deal. This wasnt the first time Lebron got crossed and it wont be the last as long as he's still playing. IT'S A PART OF THE GAME.
damn, i wish t-mac didn't have all these injuries throughout his career. if he didn't, he definitely would have been the most exciting player of the decade. seeing the way he played at the ages of 24-29 was just crazy. and he definitely was better back then, then kobe at his best. its disappointing to see him going through all this right now.
You haven't been watching basketball for very long have you? T-Mac during his prime was the most explosive scorer in the NBA, and up there with Kobe as 1a and 1b for the best player in the league. I completely disagree with the fact that T-Mac never reached his potential, he definitely did, he just fell off so much the last few years people don't remember how good he used to be.