The Art Of Public Transport Wayfinding
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2024
- Public transport wayfinding is an art form, which different cities and regions apply differently. From Prague, to Berlin, to London, to Tokyo, each city's wayfinding system is completely different. In this video, we'll take a look at different public transportation wayfinding systems around the world, how they look and function, and how it moves forward.
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timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:34 History
4:30 Wayfinding in Prague
10:10 Proposed changes
11:20 Wayfinding in Germany
12:12 Wayfinding in Tokyo
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I love how the Prague metro logo conveniently looks like an arrow, especially convenient if the station is underground.
That is pretty convenient haha
What's even more interesting, if you look on the top (tail) of the arrow, you'll see it forms a letter M, signifying the word "Metro".
Thats good job by Jiří Razhouský and Rostislav Vaněk.
I absolutely applaud this video. As someone whose passionate about public transportation and wayfinding, I enjoy hearing about how other cities tackle the issues. Here in Philadelphia, USA, we just updated our Wayfinding for unification purposes.
Thank you! Glad you liked the video
Oh my god, that was definitely needed in Philly. Visited last spring and was so helplessly lost on those platforms. You couldn't even say the wayfinding was bad, it just didn't exist at some stations.
As an American fascinated by European and Asian transit, I appreciated this video!
Thank you!
I believe pictures are better than letters, they are easy to convey what it is without a language barrier. For example; where i’m from in Victoria Australia we use Pictograms for our public transport. We use a blue train for Metro Trains Melbourne (MTM), dark purple for V/Line trains, light purple for V/Line buses/coaches, red for airport buses, orange for regular buses, green for trams and teal for ferries I believe.
I think a mix of both is probably the best, but that's just my opinion
Colourblind people can stay home?
Depends on whether or not you are a visual learner.
That's what they did for the light rail system in Seattle. Currently, there's only the 1 Line, so the map is super simple... but stops have both the place name _and_ a stop-specific icon, both on the map and physically at the station itself. They even did architectural theming at the different stops, so the International District stop has giant metal origami on the walls, U-District/Capitol Hill/Westlake all have different types of art on the walls, and so on. They wanted it to be as obvious as possible which stop you're at, and I like it.
@@WackoMcGoose They are going to trade those pictograms out for numbers when Lynnwood opens due to feedback that the pictograms aren't universally understandable to all cultural backgrounds. It's not even obvious to me that they're meant for wayfinding. I hope they keep them around for a bit of character but not as wayfinding.
I went to Praha when i was 9 and was already a bit fascinated by metro at that time. The simple yet very impressive (long trips from the bottom of line C to the city centre, what seemed like immense trains) had a long lasting impact on me, especially the design of some stations. I'm glad to see a video going a bit in depth on the particular topic of wayfinding, with the main example being this network i remember fondly.
I'm glad you liked the video!
On the note of the Tokio metro diagram, you should look into Mexico's diagrams/maps. Every station has its own diagram, originally made for people that didn't know how to read, and it spread to the whole country's mass transit diagrams
I think the "Čitelná Praha" project is great, the only thing I dislike about it are the new metro diagrams (the "metro diagram" and the "metro and trams diagram") which don't follow the 45° lines and have weird curves and slanted lines. But the other signs and wayfinding features look awesome!
Yeah, i think that despite its flaws, Čitelná Praha is still a great project
Yes, I think that transit diagram are a special kind of graphic design and it seems to be reallyy bad in Prague lately. Even when I look at the current diagrams it's...not great
@@user-ib9pz6id5b The current diagrams are fine in my opinion (at least most of them). I have mixed feeling about the new ones. But I also really like the fairly new diagram of all public transport routes in Prague (it's in A1 format and the thickness of the lines represents their frequency pid.cz/wp-content/uploads/mapy/schemata-trvala/Praha-linkove-vedeni_A1.png)
...although, if and when I can return to Prague -- last time was '06 -- I fear I'll miss the old, familiar ones!
Perfektní zpracování. Také se mi líbí jednoduchá angličtina, které jsem perfektně porozuměl, i když moc anglicky neumím. Ve výsledku jde o unikátní a úžasné video. Jen tak dál.
Děkuji!
I'm from Mexico City, and the map of the whole system is beautiful, conections with trolleys, BTR's and other metro lines, it's a really neat map 🇲🇽
Maybe I'll check them out in a future part 2!
I have always been interested in wayfinding design, and you are one of the first UA-camrs to talk about it. Cheers!
Glad you liked the video!
love this channel already! your voice is comfortable to listen to and the video contents are balanced and long enough. i subscribed!
Thank you!
Public system wayfinding maps or something like this are serene and iconic.
I agree, they really are iconic
Great video. I have a degree in graphic design and I've always had a core interest in and passion for wayfinding and info design - transport in particular.
0:08 Love the way that Dnipro station isn't (yet) on the Dnipro metro...
quite ironic haha
The winner of the Wayfinding olympiads is Bogotá!
There are somehow more than 100 bus services, skipping specific stations, operating at specific times of the day. Its a big mess
alphabetti spaghetti type diagram 💀💀
@@TheTramly You gotta read a 12 page document called "My trip plan" to use the system
Amazing video, somewhat calming yet informative
Thank you!
the way this video completed ignored mexico’s city subway and their Lance Wyman’s iconography for each station
I will probably make a part 2 in the future
Great video!! And hahaha, had a good laugh with the bloopers!
thanks! I'm glad you liked the video
Great job! Very well explained.
Thank you!
First video I watched in your channel! I loved it and I already subscribed. Greetings from Brazil!
Thank you, and I'm glad you liked the video!
I think you forgot the absolute gem of a design from Czech Republic, and that is no other than "Sprava zeleznic" logo. It represents the Czech letter "ž", but at the same time resembles a train tournout!
That logo is great, I agree
Amazing video!!
Lovely style and editing.
However after starting to binge watch your channel my youtube algorithm has began to bombard me with videos about public transit and now I think I have become an addict. xP
Keep it up ! xoxo
hahaha, the public transport content is too great to not watch
and I'm glad you liked the video!
10:58 “I would bring back the wheelchair pictograms.”
I would, too, but in a negative sense. People concerned with wheelchair accessibility are probably more concerned with which stations _aren’t_ wheelchair-accessible so as to avoid those-so those stations are the ones I would highlight.
I agree, however there are still a lot of inaccessible stations, so they should get on that as soon as possible
Great video, very interesting!!
Thank you!
Mate, this is great! I have a bit more issues with the new wayfinding system for Prague than you and your friend, but I'm glad someone made this video. And even in English! I came across your channel a few times, but this video made me push that Subscribe button :). Thank you, and keep up the great work.
Thank you! I'm so glad enjoyed the video
Great video and great Smetana music choice
Thank you!
Funny how in Buenos Aires the train and subway wayfinding aren't unified, but they're still incredibly legible (except for the Roca line with its, I kid you not, 10 branches)
Though the subway could use some fixes, especially in downtown...
10 branches, what💀💀💀
at least the wayfinding is mostly legible
Nice video!
( 6:47 - I'm whatching, while going home from the main station on a S9 suburban train, connected to the onboard wi-fi :-) )(7:59 - on my way my train will also stop at the Vysočany station)
haha, what a coincidence
Very good video with clear explanation and appropriate visuals. Public transport will become even more important in the future and understanding how to use it is essential for everyone so I totally agree that all way finding systems should be accessible even to the literacy-impaired, which can mean simply speaking a different language. Will subscribe.
Thank you!
Public transportation truly has some fantastic graphic design and I appreciate how you covered it in the video.
Personally I think in addition to graphic design/physical signage what also really aids in public transportation wayfinding is integration with mobile devices, especially with map apps. My trips to Shanghai and Tokyo last year on their metro systems were made incredibly easy when I could get what stop to get on, get off at, and specific exit to take all on my phone.
It is quite a work of art
Thank you Tramly for showing some diferences in Prague metro system and how it is simple. For Czechian it means lot to me. Every city isn't perfect through all these problems. And I hope you'll make future document or vlog about Metro D. Once again thank you🙂
I'm glad you liked the video! And sure, a metro D mini-documentary is definitely on the table for a future video
thanks for the video, very interesting. i live in Berlin and been to Prague like 15 times
Thank you!
6:28 to note these signs basically arent needed as the big sign is already oriented in a way where you can see which stations are in which direction
amazing video!
Thank you!
Enjoyed the video brother
Glad you liked the video!
Great video, i was considering doing a wayfinding project for my city (or atleast submit it for approval) and this gives me the motivation to do better. Great explanation!
Thank you, I'm glad you liked the video, and definitely go ahead and do your project!
Great video!
Thank you!
The video was more niche than the title and opening suggested, but it was still a good video. Good on everyone trying to unify the the Prague signage, but I liked the bolder, more colorful style of the older ones.
Glad you liked the video!
Yeah, thanks for your efforts! You cover a few international examples but I’d be curious about your reviews of more cities, where they’re headed, and if you know of other hallmarks in wayfinding like the London one. Do people talk about New York metro graphic design elsewhere like they do here? lol
Edit: It’s maybe beyond your interest but arguably related: Another aspect that’s great about Tokyo, and I’d say even better about Seoul, is they both accommodate the blind really well, and it helps out even the sighted. They have yellow bumps in the sidewalks that lead you to the subway entrances. (They double as anti-skateboarding design which I don’t love but it’s still cool!)
Folks who struggle with public transport should like the Tokyo method
Yeah, they really really gigabrained that
Kloubouk dolů, tvoje videa jsou super. Jsem hrdý, že u nás se taky dají najít takové skvosty :)
Děkuji, jsem rád že jsem mohl udělat něco, co si tolik lidí uzilo
A great video! Gonna subscribe!
Thank you!
I like this video a lot! It is a bit long and heavy with information, but I am of the part of the population which enjoys this heavy side of the balance.
Thank you! glad you liked the video
Probably the difference between graphic design of Prague public transport and Praha hl.n. is because the train stations are not managed by city authorities but by state railways.
That is possible, however they should move to unification as soon as possible
Hello from (not actually in Budapest right now)! I have hometown pride (and a huge hyperfixation) in the BKK¹ diagram and timetable/signage design language, to the point of reverse-engineering some of the principles and using them whenever I do "crayoning"² in Inkscape. Prague did very well with the unified dark theming and Budapest isn't as far along in that department, but you should still have a look at the rest-in particular: timetables, maps (ahem, diagrams) 178 and 183 (tram+rapid rail and trolleybus, respectively), and the signage/maps for big interchanges (with the orange dots and all that)
¹ combined agency that now runs the transit branding (having taken over that part from BKV-which still operates everything but the HÉV and some of the blue buses. also does streets
² generating plans and docs/graphics/other copy about fictional transit systems or about proposed expansions/improvements to existing ones
Ah, cool, I have never been to Budapest, I'd like to see their wayfinding in action
4:41 smart to introduce world examples before narrowing down to a local example (Prague)
Thank you!
Great video
Thank you!
came from youtube recommend AND IT IS CREATIVE COMMONS??!?!?! ayooo
Of course!
Video was wonderful. Love the really in depth look at Prague's system of wayfinding. I wonder how many revamps NYC's MTA has had?
Glad you liked the video! hmm, I don't know, but there were probably at least a few iterations
Somewhat nitpicky, but the train signs have a different desigh because they are managed by the railway authority (which uses the blue design nationwide), while the rest is managed by the Prague Integrated Transport Regional Organizer. I know you know this, but some viewers - readers might not
Yeah, i should've included that in the video, thanks for mentioning it!
the B and C lines on the new map look really good, but the A has all sorts of weird things about it. while crossing the river it changes angle, and at both termini it curves off weirdly. However I assume they do that so that the tram connections are shown accurately, so I'm not sure it could be done any other way.
I went to Prague for the first time recently and I must say it is a beautiful city, and I loved riding its proper tram network of old (got excited when I saw a legendary tatra for the first time lol)
I'm glad you like the city!
yeah, the new map takes some getting used to, and except for a few kinks I'm sure the designers will iron out, I like it
@@TheTramly I was only in Prague for a short time ( interrailing) and never got to ride on the metro, only ran down to check out the platforms. At Narodni trida. I had read about how Soviet metros were built to act as bomb shelters so I expected it to be deep, but wow it was super super deep!
@eannamcnamara9338 if you like deep stations, go to Náměstí Míru on the A line next, it's the deepest metro station in the city!
you should look into Jakarta Public Transportation Wayfinding redesign, it's really well though out, combines various mode of transportation too
Wayfinding design je svou komplexitou královská disciplína v rámci grafického designu. Je podle mě potřeba podotknout, že nový systém Čitelné Prahy se implementuje postupně s testováním a konzultací např. se sjednocenou organizací nevidomých a slabozrakých. Jsem rád, že se tak přistupuje s testováním přístupů a nepřistupuje se k tomu díky bohu jako k hotové věci, kdy má pan vrchní designer finální slovo a svou pravdu, protože co může vypadat dobře na obrazovce nemusí fungovat v realitě a naopak. Jinak ty různé přístupy jdou třeba vidět na Jiřáku, kde se testuje například právě samotný piktogram (přeškrtnutý vozíčkář vs. křížek vedle vozíčkáře) a kontrast ostatních stanic linky, zároveň také nový formát v podobě vertikálního teploměru u eskalátorů, který se používá třeba v Londýně a Vídni. Zároveň se těším na úpravu druhé poloviny Palmovky, kde by se už měly i otestovat nové nosiče, které snad vyřeší odraz světla od černých povrchů.
Osobně se spíše přikládám na stranu autorů se znázorněním (ne)bezbariérovosti stanice kvůli tomu, že se aktivně redukuje s rekonstrukcemi počet stanic bez bezbariérového přístupu a díky tomu je možné vizuálně odlehčit mapu, ulevit tak vizuálně očím u už tak komplexně vizuálnímu výstupu, ale jsem zvědavý na konečné výsledky výzkumu jak se vyhodnotí právě tento přístup z hlediska čitelnosti a pochopení informace. Třeba se nakonec dostaneme zpět do bodu, kdy se vyhodnotí, že nejlepší je dát symbol vozíčkáře vedle každé stanice.
Jinak ačkoliv bych si přál dobrý a funkční celostátní vizuální systém, obávám se, že to v naší české kotlině není za současné situace reálné a bylo by potřeba překopat hodně organizací od státu, přes kraje až po jednotlivé obce a zároveň je to o lidech, kteří sedí na klíčových místech. Je ještě potřeba zmínit, že na Hlavním nádraží je navigační systém ve vizuální identitě Českých drah místo systému Správy železnic, kvůli tomu, kdy ty cedule vznikly ještě za doby vlastnictví nádraží pod ČD. Dle mého názoru je navigační systém ČD lepší a čitelnější jak SŽ, kde to ale také vypadá, že se dělají nějaké kroky ke sjednocení například v použití loga SŽ jako označení nádraží a mám pocit, že se na některých stanicích začíná objevovat korporátní písmo SŽ místo Arialu, což je jen krok vpřed. :)
Souhlasím, jsem rád že to postupně testujou a opravujou podle zpětný vazby, a že "tady to máte, nazdar"
a s tím celostátním systémem, pravda, toho se asi nedočkáme..
This is really very interesting. I admit that I'm of several minds about diagrams vs. maps for wayfinding. In San Francisco, the MUNI system uses diagrams, much like Prague, and the various versions (station displays and in-train displays, for example) are quite different from each other. In my opinion, the entire point of a diagram instead of a map is to simplify the presentation, but when there are three different versions of the same diagram, that only serves to confuse people.
I also hold the opinion that "simpler" systems like the San Francisco-area BART system, which has only five lines, doesn't need the simplification of a diagram. I have the same opinion of Prague's system and its corresponding diagram. There is little reason or need to eliminate ground markers and attractions from the diagram since the routing has only a few lines and is already simple. On the other hand, NYC's subway and London's Underground are so massive that they cannot possibly contain every detail of a full-blown map with subway overlays.
That said, NYC famously had a *diagram* introduced in 1972 by Massimo Vignelli. New Yorkers absolutely hated it, and the complaints were so deafening that the MTA had to revert to a map version quickly thereafter. It's the map version that has persisted ever since. There are two significant reasons for this in my mind. First, tourists need to know which subway line and stop to use to access various attractions above ground. Are you going to the Statue of Liberty? Or perhaps the Metropolitan Museum of Art? Or maybe Central Park? If all those land features and landmarks are eliminated from the diagram, then wayfinding is thwarted if all you have is a diagram devoid of any above-ground features. Second, in the interest of an excellent artistic display, Vignelli actually had to change the location of some of the stations--namely in the vicinity of Columbus Circle. His diagram showed a station about three blocks west of its actual entrance. While beautiful from a graphical perspective, it's absolutely useless for the purpose of wayfinding to misrepresent the location of critical aspects such as subway entrances.
And so, at the risk of offending graphic designers and enthusiasts of subway diagrams, I'll fall in favor of a combination map/guide that shows users the routing and stations of the subway system alongside important elements above ground. If the information about the underground isn't integrated with what's happening above ground, then its usefulness is seriously marginalized, rendering it useless to any visitor or newbie to the system.
Great video! I'm kind of torn between the wheelchair icons on the map. I think the dash looks a lot cleaner and reduces visual clutter but if you're a wheelchair user that isn't familiar with the Prague metro, the dash doesn't really mean anything unless you look at the legend (which I can imagine gets easily missed). There's also the possibility of passengers that don't use a wheelchair misinterpreting the meaning of the dash. For all they know, it could represent an interchange between networks, bus connections, small stations, reduced opening hours, etc.
In this case, the old design works a lot better for communicating stations that aren't wheelchair accessible. Although, a much better solution would be to make every station wheelchair accessible ;)
Yeah, if every station was accessible, that'd be great
Glad I got recommended this fun channel by youtube today! Do you perhaps make videos in Czech too?
Thank you! and no, not at the moment, I only make videos in English.
Sweet video
Thanks!
I appreciate your work. I mostly agree. I've been in Prague a lot. I always found the way finding sign to be a mess and outdated. Good they fixed this. Except one thing: Having a route map with black colored background to me implies that it's on night services. That specific item should keep its white background, even if that offsets the whole corporate design. I wonder what other people say.
You've definitely got a point, I'm sure they'll work something out
I get what they were going for with the changes regarding wheelchair accessibility, because it should be the norm and not having it is definitely a "minus". Still kind of confusing so not sure it was a great idea. Also love the blooper grunts, would have laughed out loud if I wasn't currently riding transit 😂
hahaha, thank you, glad you liked the video!
I actually think, that the old less unified approach was better. The reason is, you immediately knew, which line you were on, thanks to the color coding, and you were constantly reminded of the fact. Say I were to travel by bus and change in Prague to a train. For this, I'd arrive at Florence or some other bus terminal and I'd need to change to metro line to the most appropriate station, which in most cases is the main station. Both B and C lines run through Florence, but only C line runs down to the main station. Things get even more complicated, if I were to change from bus to subway at Anděl, which has one of it's exist near Na Knížecí bus terminal. Old way, I'd simply jump from the bus on to the yellow line and then on to the red one. Wouldn't even need to remember the station names, as each line intersects the other exactly once.
You don't need to have the same look like the other lines. Rather, having each mode of transport using different signs, but using the similar logic is in my opinion way to go, because you immediately know, what you're looking for. Sure, adding some information in other languages would have been called for, but I would have tried to integrate new stuff into already existing system.
Wow so interesting. The diagrams that aren’t to scale absolutely kill my brain! Thank you for making this I didn’t realize there was an art to it
On the minus sign marking non-wheelchair accessible stations, I actually applaud that change. Because now, wheelchair accessible stations are shown to be the norm, rather than the exception as they were previously, so the whole network should feel more inclusive to disabled users.
I mostly agree, but there are still quite a bit of inaccessible stations, so they should work on changing that as soon as possible!
I absolutely LOVE the Tokyo letter and digit scheme, why doesn't every network have these? The station keeps its name for the locals but an unofficial version can exist for others. It would help any visitor in any foreign country. It helps when you have no geographical experience of the place and it's pretty easy to understand. The only problem I see is line extensions.
Sapporo, Sendai, Yokohama, Nagoya, Kyoto, Osaka, Kobe, Fukuoka, Seoul, Busan, Daegu, Chengdu, Chongqing, Dongguan, Foshan, Guangzhou, Wuxi, Zhengzhou, Taipei, Bangkok, KL, Singapore, and Jakarta all use the same scheme (although some cities like Seoul and Chongqing use it with the line numbers). The scheme is actually called station numbering.
Line extensions are no longer possible in Tokyo as the system is already quite mature (although some much-needed waterfront extensions would help). Instead of further line extensions, all the new transit projects we see in Tokyo are mostly just the opening of lines to add more through-services, like the two recently-opened Shin-Yokohama Lines (one is of the Sotetsu network while one is of the Tokyu network), giving more of Yokohama even more direct one-seat connections to the Tokyo subway rather than just the Minatomirai and Tokyu Toyoko Lines).
i use Prague transit daily, i like seeing it discussed here on YT :) also nice music! "Vltava" is a good choice to talk about Prague :)
I love prague transit (one of the up sides of living here as a foreigner in my opinion), but i'm not at all a fan of the new designs. The sleek look sacrifices legibility and it's just not worth it. the platform sign (the long banner inside the metro to know which track goes to which stations) for example, has a ton of empty space and the the diagram itself is small. signs should be easy to read in large print. the metro above-door banner has a lot of text crammed together that makes it unclear which stop is which, especially for tourists and new residents.
Yeah, i hope the designers iron out the kinks before rolling it out to the whole network
0:15 That actually reminds me of an edited London tube map
This is the first time Ive seen the Prague metro map and I cant imagine how crowded those transfer stations are if each line only connects to each other line at one single point, and god forbid theres an accident at one of those three stations. Still, cool video nonetheless
I mean, Muzeum and Můstek stations get pretty damn crowded
I love the Prague metro logo have you seen the Tyne and Wear Metro
Yes, I have. It's.. fine, but the Prague Metro logo is better, in my opinion
@@TheTramly tbh Prague seems have a logo that great for Both International and Nationals I'm guessing the Metro was build in the 1970s
@@TheTramly also I hope to vist Prague one day
That’s interesting that they opted to switch to marking where wheelchair access is not available as opposed to keeping the positive markers for wheelchair accessibility. In a diagram that is supposed to mark where things are, highlighting the negative space is a strange and non-intuitive choice imo.
Yeah, I'd say so as well
Well done!
I don't know if it's the same in other countries, but I really wish that the name of the train station would be more visible from the train-side.
Usually the name of train stations are put only on the begging and end of the platform, why don't do like in the underground, (metro) where is repeated few time in the station.
Each coach is long approximately 25 m, with the doors at its extremities, if the name is repeated each 25- 30m would be more visible from the train windows and placed just outside of the doors.
Yeah, that would be cool
Super práce, určitě si zasloužíš víc views, jediný co by jsem vytknul je možná ten přízvuk, ale jinak musím říct, že jsem žádnej podobnej českej kanál ještě neviděl, takže přeju hodně štěstí a úspěchu.
Everyone has an accent. What's wrong with this one?
Děkuju, a ano, jsem si vědom myho bolestivé českýho přízvuku hahaha
@@TheTramly Z přízvuku si nic nedělej. Úroveň Tvé angličtiny nemá chybu! Mimochodem nevíš náhodou jestli někde ještě berou připomínky k tomu novému signage schemu? Taky mám pár postřehů které bich jim k tomu chtěl napsat...
@@TheTramly Takhle, všechno se dá doladit, takže bych si z toho nedělal těžkou hlavu. Doporučuju konzumovat hodně anglického kontentu po hodně dlouhou dobu a samo to naskočí. Vedlejší účinek je mix všelijakých nářečí a slangů z různých variací angličtiny. Většinou když má někdo přízvuk při mluvení anglicky a není to Čech, tak mě to tak netrkne, ale tím, že je mi to blízký, tak vytýkám :D, jinak videa mi připadají dobře researchnutá a angličtina samotná je super.
@@alex2143There is nothing wrong in particular, just that I am Czech myself, so it sounds kinda weird. I don't really know if it sounds the same way to a foreigner. Just thought I'd mention it, cause you can get rid of an accent the more you speak the language.
dobré video! :) wayfinding is overlooked too often. I recently visited Prague and I have to agree, I personally find the new design quite sleek in some ways, but also worse in others. Also, I have to disagree on the Germany chapter: yes, we do have some common logos, but apart from that I wouldn't call it unified :D in every city it's always a bit different and some regions (Ruhr area lol), it's really bad and disintegrated compared to others in my opinion
That's possible, however, I still think it's more unified than here, for example with the bus stop sign, we have different ones in every city, whereas Germans have the universal H sign
@@TheTramly It's more like difference Bohemia vs Moravia. Pretty much everywhere where PID lines go, bus stops look the same. It's more messy in Moravia.
@@TheTramlyyeah, the H sign is the only common denominator, though, because it has legal meaning in our traffic laws (you can't stop within 15m in front or behind an H sign, for example). All the other components of bus stop signs are completely different city by city though. The posts themselves are different, the schedule layout, the way the lines that serve that stop are displayed, etc...
Your english is improving!
Thank you!
Prague going from showing which stations are wheelchair accessible to only thsoe that are not is a gret move because the default is bow that a statuon is wheelchair accessible. But I agree that the "-" symbol is not so obvious.
this was my thought-particularly if they are going to upgrade the remaining inaccessible stations, at which point the marker will be unnecessary. a 🚫♿ icon might have been better to convey that, though.
I partially agree, however there are still a lot of inaccessible stations in my opinion, so at least something like a ♿🚫
Shanghai metro is pretty interesting as a fairly gridded metro
Great video. These public transport maps are works of art. The best examples of Graphic Design. I have a beautifully presented book that features the most interesting examples of Public Transport Maps from across the world - current and historic, showing how maps have changed and become refined over the decades.
Glad you liked the video!
Střední část nového schématu je zakřivená kvůli záměru ukázat, že Můstek (zelená/žlutá) a Muzeum (červená) jsou na opačných stranách středové čáry (Václavského náměstí).
mínus se mi také nelíbí jako označení (bez)barierovosti - dříve se používal k označení stanic mimo provoz.
To s Václavákem vlastně dává docela smysl, ale to minusko ne💀
Your final comment may be true for you, but you did persevere.
It was a bit exhausting, but I seemingly made an interesting video, so it was worth it
I also like Harry Beck ... and Eric Satie.
Lit vid 🔥
Thank you!
Have you seen Sydney's public transport way finding?
Nope, not yet.
Maybe I'll make a part 2 some day
I know it's horrible especially on the outer parts like wollongong (where I live) and newcastle
@@TheTramly T2Norway has a great video on it I’d highly recommend it!
@@TheTramly anyway good video man 🫶
great video, especially the thumbnail, imagery choice, and branding.you should invest in a better microphone, it would really add a level of professionalism that would attract a lot of people
I just did! If you wanna hear it, check out my newest video!
Nice video. I, however, have to say that i find the new Prague navigation system rather bad. Of couse, some signs such as the one at 5:44 really need to be changed because they just scream "i've been hanging here since the 1960's", but my main issue is the design. For example the wide signs showing the whole line - The one at 6:23 is easily readable, utilizes it's space and doesn't look dated. While the new one at 8:09 has a massive amount of wasted space, the removal of the wheelchair icons is laughable, and the new design actually IMO looks even worse than the old one did. Feels like they tried to do a "retro sign feel" but failed completely.
The worst thing however is the sign at 8:59. This one just looks ridicuous. Even just watching this at home, i was surprised how hard it is to get oriented in it. They should've put each "entry" into a box like on the old design, or at the very least sorted it alphabetically.
The new "full" metro diagram also looks a bit worse, but i can live with that.
I however really like the new bus stops and the M signs. They look good.
Also, i think that just for the sake of simplicity, the Germans should be able to survive just with English :)
I mean, yeah, the system badly needs a unified, easily readable design, and the new one isn't exactly perfect, I hope the designers will iron out the kinks before rolling it out to the whole network
Wayfinding is the biggest flaw of Warsaw metro. I constantly take wrong exits on the M1.
I can imagine, yeah..
Nice video, I can volunteer to do a full English subtitles transcript if you want. Just allow the option and I'll do it.
TBH that minus sign for non accessible stations is very bad as it associates mobility challenged customers with "minus", "less value". The icon with the symbolic wheelchair is used all over the world. Here in the NYC subway they cramp it also as 8 x 8 pixel sign on the LED pixel displays and everyone recognizes it.
ah, cool, I didn't know that it's actually used.
and yeah, we should use a more readable, and less... dehumanizing sign
I disagree that minus sign in the wherlchait inaccesible stations "dehumanizes" low mobility people. It's the opposite. It asociates the station that is inacessible with less value, not the people that are not able to use it. Wheelchair accesible station are the standard in Prague so they don't have any sign. If a system needs exceptional sign for a wheelchair accesibility, that's paradoxically less wheelchair friendly system.
Bloopers sounds like Mr bean🤣
Weelchair access is useful as a planning tool BEFORE you start your journey. Once you are in the station or worse on the train, what use is it?
Well, I'd argue that it should still be simpler, because no one wants to spend an unnecessary amount of time finding out what the little symbols mean
Určitě jsi viděl video od Adama Gebriana na Hlavák... pokud ne, tak doporučuju. V jednom z nich kritizuje to, jak v budově Hlaváku je tolik cedulí, komerčních prostorů a všehosi, že ani Češi, natož cizinci, se tam často neorientují. Sám s tím mám zkušenosti, když jsem dělal směny pro ukrajinský uprchlíky... každejch pět minut se mě ptali i Češi, jak se dostanou do metra nebo na nástupiště. Zrovna ten hlavák si myslím by to chtělo zpřehlednit... V evropě, kde se z velký části cizinci pohybujou vlakem, je takovýhle prostředí nádraží, jakožto vizitky nebo "brány" města, dost nereprezentativní.
Souhlasím s tím že tam to je občas fakt jako cedulový průjem, určitě by to měli trošku zpřehlednit
já si myslím, že z většiny jsou ty nové černé značky fajn (Čitelná Praha), ale nelíbí se mi provedení té mapy na černém pozadí. pěkné video ale 👍
Taky mám takové mixlé pocity okolo tý mapy, ale obecně se mi Čitelná Praha líbí taky
u toho ježka nad dveřma neni vubec poznat ke který stanici kterej název patří
I think unification and simplification is needed, but I am not that happy from new Prague design, there are so many things I really don't like. First - black board with white text is less readable, everyone who has glasses know that, but it would be ok of that black board was really black, but sometimes some led light is shining on it, or sun is shining and it turns from black to some grey, brown or something and contrast is completely destroyed then.
Second, on wide simplified diagram above the doors, names of stations are close to each other and you don't clearly see which name belongs to which station, this is very confusing.
Third complain is that they don't strictly keep original color tones of metro lines, like with new design, you already have like 3 different shapes of green tone for "green line" I understand that time will solve that, but why not accepting totaly the same green or yellow color as we were used to? It would be better.
Fourth complain is about those black cubes. What line it is is the most important information and there is just little stripe with color, that's stupid and again, when sun is shining to it, you can barely see what color it is. We don't actually say "green" or "yellow" line in Prague, we strictly say just A or B or C, so maybe writte even that letter there would be more usefull for most of Praguers.
And I hate pictograms so much!!!! You can't even imagine. It's always more clear to writte that than guess what some stupid pictogram means.
I agree with those languages, but maybe I would even remove German, because all Germans can speak some English, it's pointless to keep German in these days, but I would definitely remove Russian everywhere where it is becuase I just don't want to see any cyrillic in my city and it would also force ukrainians to learn language instead of just looking for cyrillic inscriptions.
My the last complain is about quality of those signs, you can see it on Hradčanská tram station, the new signs, new displays and everything new is destroyed by UV light and by temperature changes or rain, it's really a poor quality and I am really afraid that it will happen even to new signs everywhere else. Old ones are there for like 20 years if I remember and it still looks the same mostly.
Another little complain is and I am saying it for years, there should be diagram of stations while you are going down on escalators, sometimes you miss the train because you don't know which side you have to rush, that's stupid.
And I generally don't like how Zdeněk Hřib and other people are acting (and I voted for him in the past), he is so arrogant and doesn't care about what people think about that, he is always like "it's gonna be like that, you are supposed to love that." And he always shows final design after everything is approved and it's gonna be like that, he does it obviously on purpose to stop people from attemps to stop that change, when it's too late and all contracts are done, you can't stop it anymore. This is not why I was voting for Pirates in the past!!!!! They politics was supposed to be friendly and clear, not like "it's gonna be like that and don't complain"
BTW, I generally don't like today "everything black" fashion and I am saying it as a metal fan who wears mostly everything black, but city should not be black, colors exist!!! Everythign was grey during communism, now, everything is black.
I agree that the design of Čitelná Praha isn't perfect, hopefully they will iron out the kinks before it rolls out through the whole city.
the cube.. I like the design, but I have to concede that it's less clear than the older design
the languages, I'd be for the 3 languages, but if German got dropped, I wouldn't mind that much. But Czech and English should be there 100%.
And with everything going black, I agree that modern architecture can get extremely sterile and dull, maybe I'll make a video about it in the future.
@@TheTramly Ofcourse I would keep the English. 🙂
I must say, wayfinding is actually not unified in Germany 😅 Sure, the trains using national rail infrastructure (such as S-Bahn trains) are unified, but every city uses other designs for their line diagrams and signage when it comes to metros and light rail.
I hate the new Pragues black signs, I can’t read them from far away 😏 They are minimalist and sleek but harder to read
I mean, you do have a point
To call it too long video for only 14 min means the subject matter is not important
Well, I thought people wouldn't want to listen to me for 14 minutes, haha
the topic is definitely interesting!
look at delhi metro map . it is india's masterpiece !!!
transport for nsw kills this category
Let’s say that the metro wayfinding system wasn’t designed by a graphical designer…
Old desing of metro signs in praha was way better then that black
Cesko se jmenuje Czechia..ne?
Oba názvy jsou správně, něco jako United States of America a USA, Czechia je zkrácená verze Czech Republic
@@TheTramly Achjo..
Cesi holt to maji radi komplikovane..
Proc rict Czechia, kdyz je moznost rict neco delsiho?! ;)
Dude you forgot Mexico's City metro. There each station of Metro, BRT and other sistema have an unique icon to identify them easily.
For example: Chapultepec station has a Grasshopper drawing, Azcapotzalco has an ant, Pantitlán has two Flags & so on!
Maybe I'll mention it in a future video!
No. You begin with a mistake. Look at the Tabula Peutingeriana... it's not a map. Not at all. It gives too much relevance to the City of Rome being the center and heart of the empire. Every road, and the whole world for that matter, is just an mesmerizing set of parallel lines leading to (or radiating away from), YES...: Rome.
Europe is somehow compressed into a long long piece of paper.
So... no. Maps where not the beginning. Those wayfinding in underground systems are older. That's because our mind loves the nice and clean abstraction they provide.
this channel feels so fake. as well as its comments.
...thanks?
sorry if you're legit, something the way you talk gives me AI vibes though. Keep it up if you're not an automated system!@@TheTramly
@@JonWonders nah, I understand, sometimes my voice sounds really, REALLY monotone haha, I'm trying to work on that!
there's no AI in these videos, I'm definitely not planning to join the AI-generated slob club, my content is, and always will be 100% human-made