This Darius Garland Trade Proposal ISN'T THAT BAD
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Is Darius Garland 35MILLION dollars better than a Rob Dillingham rookie contract for a REBUILDING FRANCHISE is the real question. You'd be paying ~40 million a year and trading significant assets in players and picks instead of drafting a guy that would likely match Garland's productivity in the league. Purely based on the value of the contracts, having a talent like Rob on a rookie deal is just the better value IMO.
Dill is an unknown commodity. Garland is a known all star caliber.
@@TimeMachine7773 Citing the crux of my initial comment, if we were making a serious push to contend in the next year or two, he'd possibly be worth the expense. If not, you're spending an extra 35million+ a year for an asset on an unattractive contract that might not even play a minute of post season basketball.
Would you rather be a play in team with an all star guard and the contract that comes with him or a play in team with an all star talent on a rookie contract? I think factoring in the flexibility of a rookie contract and the talent upside make Dillingham a more attractive prospect than Garland long term.
@@dillamadukes21 we don't know if dill will be an all star talent. How many 1st Rd picks do little to nothing? The answer is most of them. Also Garland's contract isn't that bad especially moving forward. Kat is a bad contract. He'll be making 60 mill a year soon. Plus the salary cap will be going up in a couple of years. Garland's contract is 39 a year. That's 10 mill less than Trae Young. And his contract is longer. The cap will rise before it's over.
@@TimeMachine7773 There's always inherent risk in drafting a player over signing proven talent, especially if you have and established core of talent & you're competing for a championship. The Spurs have the luxury of being in a REBUILD where neither of those things are true.
The opportunity cost for the front office will explicitly be defined along the lines of their expectations for next season. Are we in the middle of a rebuild or are we transitioning to contention? If next season is a development season, I think the opportunity cost would manifest itself in forgoing a valuable rookie contract with Dillingham in favour of a "win now" contract in Garland.
While Darius's contract isn't as obscene as other star level talent, it could absolutely impact the front offices ability to attract and sign a bigger, more attractive fish in the future when we're ready to "push our chips in".
@@dillamadukes21 first of all I don't think either is a bad option. However, getting garland isn't a win now move. He's only 24. Being that young allows him to grow with Wemby and co. He'll be in his prime at 30 when Wemby is entering his prime at 26.
First off, I will sayyou were 1000% right on Derrick White. I was wrong on Dejounte. The reason I say that is what you don’t mention that is critical is Garland’s salary $39k.
As much as I would not want Dejounte back, I would rather have him back at $27 mil than Garland at $39 mil. Garland is not good enough to pay him that much despite the picks.
Despite OKC’s bright future there are rumblings how are they going to pay everyone in next few years.
We will eventually find ourselves there. Aint no effin way I want the Spurs paying for Cleveland’s overpay mistake.
PS. Once again, you were right all along on Derrick White
Garland is an all star. If they can get him for an 8th pick (in a terrible draft no less) and some players you don't really want you jump on that opportunity, I'd be pretty shocked if Cleveland went for it.
true as if cavs will agree with this mediocre picks for garland, maybe if they really want malaki but i dont see them trading. I can even argue we can give them the top 4 pick if risacher is not even in the board at that time.
@@pgiivanlennardesguerra8300 Honestly... even if Risacher is on the board you should do it (but i agree he should be the most coveted pick). A bad draft will have 3, maybe 4 all stars on average, and they usually end up not necessarily being the high draft picks. Not that several guys couldn't end up better than Darius, but there's no one I would expect to.
@@michaelmcphee2006Actually,3~4 all star would be considered a solid draft…
Most draft class had less than 4 All-Stars,sometimes combined with some “Role player” all-star like Rudy Gobert,
who’s an all-star sure,but kinda meh in terms of what he can do…
With this draft,I can definitely make an assumption of only 1~2 all-stars,maybe both fall to Rudy’s caliber as role-player
all stars.
@@Leo-nc3yx A draft has an average of 5.4 all stars. The only drafts to produce 3 all stars from 2001-20 was 2013 and 2019 (ad 19 could still turn out another).
When quizzed about the time frame in which fans can expect the Spurs to be in the championship conversation again, Ginobili provided a cautiously optimistic outlook.
“It’s challenging to pinpoint exactly,” Ginobili stated, referencing the team’s prospects. “However, we’re hopeful and confident that with Victor (Wembanyama) coming in and our position in this upcoming draft, securing two top tens, we’re looking at a two-to-three-year timeline to be significantly competitive. I’m not saying we’ll be the outright favorites, but expect us to be in the playoffs and performing strongly.”
One thing to note about that "fake" first round pick. If it doesn't convey this year, it becomes two second round picks in 26 and 27
I agree with your logic and the picks to trade away. I'd even consider throwing in 2nd rounders. We have so many future picks we can't use them all.
I am 100% against getting Garland if they get Castle. I think they should go all in on developing Castle as a starting PG, ball handler, passer, playmaker, defender. Garland would just eat away at Castle's development. I do kind of like the idea of getting Chris Paul as a mentor if the price is right. Also, at 8 I think the perfect pick to replace Keldon would be Cody Williams who brings more defense. Imagine the starting 5 of Castle, Vassell, Cody Williams, Sochan, Wemby. Defensive masterclass team. The offense would need work, but you can teach offense, you can't teach size and length that Cody and Castle bring. Then I think we just build the depth in FA, or trade Keldon, and some future picks for more depth/cap for depth, etc.
Getting a fringe all-star like Garland I feel just kind of puts us in the Dejounte situation where we are middle of the pack... He is making 40M a year, why would we waste our cap going for him vs adding depth, building around the youth, and getting pieces that fit more.
2025 is a big draft year,
the hornet's pick still has value for other teams.
Especially for contenders like Magic who need extra talents around Banchero.
So I image a trade between Magic, Cav and us. Including no.8 pick:
Magic get: Malaki + Graham + Okoro + Hornet's pick
Cav get: Keldon + Zach + Fultz(sign & trade) + no.8 pick
Spur get: Garland + Isaac
For Magic,
Every team knows they are a ticking time bomb.
They have too many bigmen,
and too many rookies to extend contracts in few years.
Including Franz.W & Banchero's Max.
Graham is good for their cap space.
Also, we can help them with Hornet's pick for future talents, and Malaki for backup SG who can create his own shoot.
That's what they lack in playoff this year.
For Cav,
Spida just proves he can be the ONE in playoff,
I guess they will keep him by new HUGE contract.
Garland has big contact too,
but he's at low market price because of his performance this year.
For cap space, Cav can't keep them both.
No.8 pick is a nice feedback for a playoff team.
Keldon can updrade their SF position with better offence.
Fultz + spida will be perfect backcourt duo.
Fultz + spida + Keldon + Mobley + Allen,
what a powerful and balanced starters line!!!
For Spur,
This season Wemby is often defending two or more guys at same time, he needs some help.
Isaac can defend 1 to 5,
we will play swishing defense on front court sooooo well.
Plus, we can also avoid Wemby losing stamina quickly.
Garland, we heed him no doubt.
A guy who can drive his own way elite and experienced baller played with bigman.
If we go lucky,
we may have the starters line like this:
Wemby
Isaac/ mamu
Sochan/ Sidy
Vassell
Garland/ Wes
Plus our own 2024 1st pick to backup.
It maybe Risacher, who knows.
Magics aren't trading Isaac, forget it. Especially for that package.
@@arkadefire5909
Thanks for your message!!!
I know it's a weak package.
But consider Magic may go for Anfernee Simons or klay this summer,
this package seems not so bad.
They can go for Simons with sending Malaki & Okoro to Blazer,
then release cap space to sign extend contact with Wagner.
I think a lot of people think only All NBA players are worth any draft assets and unfortunately there aren’t any available who would also fit the timeline. An 8th pick, seconds and two of our worst defenders (Malaki is rated the worst in the league) for an all star talent is a solid deal. Trading for Dejounte isn’t happening from the culture side but also Atlanta is gonna want some of their picks back and I’d rather keep those long term than the TOR or CHA picks
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If that trade is possible, I would go for it. Garland is already an excellent point guard, and he is still relatively young player. And you keep Vassel and your 4th pick which could turn out into a very solid player. I think the Spurs would have the making of a great team.
Nobody wants that contract man.
Good insight to spread. 100% on board with Garland. To 5 pg by Wemby
As a cavs fan that package doesn't move the needle maby with the 4th overall pick and those 2 players but yea that's not going to get it done..I would definitely be talking to other nba teams before making that deal
The real question is... how patient is Wemby when it comes to competing and winning. That will dictate who they draft or trade for. Garland was great before Mitchell got there. They basically have the same play style... Spida is just better. So, if course Garland is going to fall off with Donovan on the court. No one knows what Castle or Dillingham will be. How many all stars have there been on the Spurs in the last few years? At least Garland had done that. And he's electric. Don't get it twisted... Victor will have input on some of these decisions. The last thing we need is another Kawhi situation.
true if the spurs wants to win now garland is a good pick up and they will consult wemby with that, but if wemby is on board on the slow rebuild and would rather love to pick players that he has relationship with or good chemistry. Even if wemby is not involved on the drafting process he is surely briefed of every move that the front office do.
You can't rely on that 2022 article about branham, that was before the draft, I doubt they are interested now that they've seen him play. For context, as a prospect Branham was projected as a lottery player, on top of playing in Ohio, that's why there's more hype then.
Who tf expects a young pg, all star 2 years ago, to be given up without any picks moving?🤣🤣🤣
The Spurs 1st round pick history in the last 6 years have been pretty mid. Sochan(I like), Branham, Wesley, Primo, Vassell (okay but we passed on Halliburton and Maxey), Samanic, KJ, Lonnie Walker. Trading a potential good player for someone that has already reached all-star level is a no-brainer in my opinion. DG also was put in a system with Donovan Mitchell who NEEDS to have the ball in his hand and I love the idea of buying when his trade value is probably at the lowest it will ever be.
Bro wtf do you think these players are worth 😂😂 Dorian Finney Smith has been shopped around for multiple 1sts. Not saying Nets will get that, but a guy like Gardland who was an All-Star, a proven scorer/playmaker, Keldon Johnson for Garland straight up is not fair and Cleveland laughs in the Spurs face. Adding branham doesnt make it too much, and the Hornets pick is literally a fake 1st that turns into 2 seconds if it doesnt convey which it wont. Why does every fanbase think they can get any player they want for nothing lmao this isnt 2k
Like ofcourse YOU'RE willing to give up the Hornets pick, are the Cavs willing to TAKE it. The answer is probably no. Trades go 2 ways, not 1.
@@WhereIsYourID lmao youre delusional if you think garland is worth giving up our picks 😂 keep’em, we’re building through the draft anyways. Duh lol
@@WhereIsYourID i dont think you understand how deep the 2025 class is kid 😂 please look at the class and then come back kiddo, garland is NOT worth any 2025 pick, except hornets 🤣
@@mr.z9309 Why you keep calling me kid lol im not saying I wanna give that up just saying why would Cavs settle for a fake 1st kid
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Underrating Darius Garland? Bruh they’re overrating him like a mofo. He’s bad. The Spurs should go after John Wall. He’s WAY cheaper, HEALTHY because no one has picked him up, and a great playmaker who could help unlock Wemby. Also would give them room to make another move to solidify themselves at a different position.
I would rather give up one of our future picks then Chicago's
Klan quit while youre ahead. Garland is a more expensive DILINGHAM. Playoff choker 2 years straight. Add 1 real #1 and get Trae young. Garland is top 18 point guards. Not umpressed
Would love Garland with the Spurs. I think coach would unlock another level Garland has. Cavs old coach JBB was a horrible offensive coach, super heavy picknroll offense, but a very good defensive coach. I just dont think the Cavs value Keldon that much. And while the 8th pick is nice, the Cavs are looking for talent to ride with Donovan. Maybe a 3rd team might be needed for the teams to fill their needs
true brother, some of this spurs fans turning like the charlote pick to gold or something, and keldon who( most of the fanbase wants to get traded) value him as an almost allstar like player, if cavs really want to trade garland and the spurs wants to get him we will need to send alot fo draft capital, those charlotte pick and any other picks are not worth a dime for the cavs. even our two first rounder this year.
Experience over a rookie!
Garland isnt worth it the Spurs can build a team with depth. Contract wise terrible trade for a rebuilding franchise. If garland doesnt work wemby will walk
Do not give those two second round picks up I want them to move up late first round to snag Ryan Dunn. You can’t pass him up with that defensive elite talent and if his shot starts falling sooner than later that could be better than your first to first round picks. Very possible. I hope PATFO do not pass him up
Darius Garland is not worth the 8th pick in the 2024 draft Just trade players Clan your not a GM. Why I say that is we could get 2 players in the top 10 you grab them and make sure there can't miss prospects (PROVEN) I CAN GUARANTEE the spurs organization will draft someone who they feel is right for the team going forward I also see them exploring all angles.
Nope clan we don't need an expensive and unwanted contract of darius and neither do we need him... Rather we need to get back 2 players if possible - slo mo and if possible Derrick white! It's better to keep the current roster with no changes and develop malaki, Julian, Blake, Jeremy, wemby, barlow, cidy..... Even those top picks we have this draft they should be in the g league for two years and exposed in their final year of their contract
WHO CARES,.. CLAN!!!
Garland is nearly as expensive as Trae Young so no please. Draft Dillingham he is a surefire.
He’s not. Trae Young would cost a lot more.
@@chrisfunk9105 Garland's salary is almost 40 million a year. Severely overpaid. Hard no. Trust me Dillingham will end up better than him atleast on offense. His defense is what makes me having second thoughts drafting him. But if he can develop to have atleast an acceptable defense he's gonna be an allstar. If I were atlanta II would draft him.
Not worth it might as well get trae
Trade both firsts for a starter, no specific position, and a first next season. Extra first rounders next season will have way more value
I still believe in you Tre & Blake keep working
Trade Sochan plz, not Keldon Johnson.
You dont know ball bro.
Ok..... Done. I'll talk to the Spurs front office on Monday.
@@mr.z9309 Know better than you. Sochan sucks, one of lowest trus shooting and BPM in the league.
@@joeandgod1 thank u
@@zhiguangzhu8468 lols i guess you didnt know that sochan WASNT drafted to be a shooter dummy 😂 he was drafted to be a defender which he is since you can see him gaurding the opposing teams best players🤣 oh my god, you said that with confidence too lmao
I've say kj, malaki/wesley, 2024 2nd (35), hornets pick and least favorable 2027 SA/ATL
I agree just get KJ, 1st pick, and Wesley.
Should add Zach collins too !!! He’s 🗑️
Some of these fans are prisoners of the moment, I’d pull the trigger on that deal. Garland is already a proven commodity in the NBA we still don’t know what Dillingham is going to be like in the league. Sure Garland’s postseason run wasn’t the greatest but his situation wasn’t the greatest to begin with. I’d give up Johnson Malaki and a couple of firsts for him honestly
Proven at nothing Rob Dillingham will easily surpass him
@@Goosgoos-222 maybe he will, but his size is a big factor. He’s small and a liability on defense. I’m not saying Dillingham has no potential because he has a lot, but we don’t know how his transition into the NBA will look. Garland has already shown he’s above average…he’s already been an all-star and he’s how old? 24 maybe. With Dilly we would have to wait 2 but probably 3 years for him to be the player we want, with Garland he’s a proven sidekick for Wemby and we can afford to tank one more year if necessary but we could easily be in the play in playoffs next year with Garland, I think spurs fans need to stop thinking they know what’s best. In Pop and the front office I trust till they are no more
No touching the 2025 picks. Those are untouchable for me, except the hornets one. That pick wont convey.
which is why the Cavs wouldnt take the Hornets pick lmfao you fans are delusional
@@WhereIsYourID lmao i dont want garland kiddo 😂 not worth the picks in my opinion.
@@WhereIsYourID theres a reason hes being shopped around, 😂 im good.
Spurs Receive: Darius Garland
Cavs Receive:
Keldon Johnson
Malaki Branham
2025 Chicago top 10 protected first round pick
2025 Charlotte lottery protected first round pick
Both of our 2nd round picks this draft
Keep the #4 and #8 pick
#4 - Stephon Castle
#8 - Tidjane Salaun
Possible lineup
Darius Garland
Stephon Castle
Devin Vassel
Jeremy Sochan
Victor Wembanyama
Tidjane Salaun, Tre Jones, Blake Wesley, Dom Barlow, Mamu
Off the bench.
Salaun is playing in Austin or stashed in Europe for a couple years. He can barely play basketball right now
if you are cleaveland why would you give up an all star caliber player for this kind of a deal. we cant get this type of players without giving them much assets or giving them this mediocre picks and deals.
A #11 pick in 2025 might be better than this year's #8. I say keep bulls. Give them least favorable in 2027. Wemby will be up for extension that year.
@@pgiivanlennardesguerra8300
1. You get a Wing in Johnson
2. You get a guard that plays offball in Branham.
3. If you don't like how You perform with just Mitchell you can always do a soft rebuild which you would have 3 possible picks next year draft.
Why would Spurs do it?
1. You don't have to sacrifice any of your own picks, or Atlanta's picks.
2. 2025 NBA draft is Top heavy as of now, and you already have 2 top 10 picks this draft, possible another 2 Lottery picks next draft, you are already paying Devin Vassel, Wemby and Sochan (when Wemby and Sochan become eligible on extensions)
3. Keldon Johnson has hit his ceiling in San Antonio, His ceiling doesn't match with Wemby's floor.
4. You get rid of one our worst defenders (Branham)
5. Charlotte pick if it doesn't convey turns into 2 second round picks. So technically in this trade youd really only be giving up Keldon, Malaki, 1 st , 2 nds for an all star caliber PG which still has 4 years on his contract.
Pure and simple, Benefits both sides.
@@pgiivanlennardesguerra8300Thank you. Like ofcourse fans are willing to give up the Hornets pick lmao its basically just 2 seconds. Why would Cleveland want or accept that