@@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks as I commented on the first video; if you're testing the strengths of certain projectile types then the data is completely inaccurate if you use multiple throwers with varying degrees of experience.
@@ao1778 no. It’s not inaccurate it’s just different sets of data. You would want people of varying degrees of strength and experience all throwing the same darts. Then you get results based on a persons ability
I think it would be interesting to see how a bone point would do against a bison. At the manis site there was one right inside a mastodon bone so people definitely hunted big game with bone points.
I love what you do! Ive always been fascinated by ancient cultures and their way of existing. You have opened my eyes to a form of living that is a lot wiser and interesting. Been following 'ya for a couple months now. Keep it up!🤙
QUESTION -What type of wood is best for a walking stick, approximately 6’ tall, and thick enough to damage a wild dog or knucklehead. It would be used for hiking trails, but also for around town. I have bad knees and ankles/feet (and broke almost every other bone and messed up my spine and discs as well) due to an accident (not my fault). I don’t like the look of canes at all, but I know I need something for balance. I am getting a knee replacement in a few weeks, even though I’m much younger than most people that get those. Doctors usually want to wait till you’re in your 60’s, and I am only 44. I also have suffered from this for 17 years, and will have these issues till Jesus comes to get me. I don’t have a lot of money, but if you want to make one, we may be able to come to an agreement on price. If not, advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time.
Considering how difficult it is to effectively knap a stone like quartz, I think it's fair to say that they were absolutely skilled knappers. Given the limitations, some of their points are nothing to scoff at.
Yeah no doubt. I do believe their projectiles were effective in every way. They will haft, fly and kill. These tools produced what they needed. Some stone knapps better than others, and the Mt Albion made it work.
I’m from the east coast and we don’t get a lot of high quality stone, once in a while you can find a small flint but mostly on my adventures, quartzite quartzite and yes you guessed it quartzite. Best out of the banks of the Potomac river, some jasper in pongo ridge Va beach. But other than that it’s chunky points all day.
I hear you. I lived on the east coast and feel for you. Make simple tools to get the job done. Not everyone has access to the good stuff. Appreciate you watching!
It is curious whenever i see "quartz" points. I always think of them as an act of desperation if you're going to haft them into something. Ask him if there's ever been a protein residue finding on one before. I'm curious to know if there's hints as to what they were having some success with on game. Is bison just what comes to mind because it's a Paleo?
Your reference to the use of poison surprised me. Especially regarding early peoples of arid or temperate climates. I’ve always connected poisons to the tropics where so many species of poisonous creatures exist. Or specific plant life. Please highlight the use of poison in the above mentioned climates and how they were produced. Great videos. Thanks !
I know that some chert back in the day was "baked" so to say in sand under a bed of coals to increase the flakeability of the stone. I wonder if that would work in this application.
Heat treating stone isn’t an option with these materials. However, heat treating stone is pretty common it wouldn’t have been something done with this culture. Essentially they havent found and projectiles or Debitage that has been heat treated.
Hey brother, was wondering if you could let me in on your methods for your hides and how you prepare them, do you do it all natural? Appreciate the feedback 🍻
@@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks Much appreciated brother! Maybe we can figure it out some collab in near future !!! I love to throw any primitive weapon :)) did you ever tried Swiss arrow ?
Do you play Horizon Zero Dawn? The reason I am asking is because I have seen your videos of Far Cry Primal tools. They are insane! Since Horizon also has many primitive bows and arrows, I thought you may recreate those.
This might be nerdy to ask but if it's alright, would you make a tusken raider gaffi stick (essentiallya type of war club)? Their ability to take so little to make such a reliable and multifunctional weapon and general tool has always been amazing to me. They even have variations so there's no true version which encourages it's functionality and decorations!
We can’t test their skill level. However, their projectiles are left behind. So, we can rebuild them and test there effectiveness against a target. Differences in the make of stone points comes down to the necessity and stone availability. They did not trade based off the recovered materials and were sourced locally.
@@Shooter11B I think that a very accurate statement. I guess if everything the need was in one area…why leave. It’s hard to say and understand their habits and practices when all we have are stone assemblages. Appreciate you watching. Thanks.
Would that material be better suited for smaller arrow points? Or does it need the mass for integrity?. Did that culture only use atlatals or did they have access to bow woods and other resources?.
Did that culture use wooden billets to knapp after obtaining a spall? If so, do Archeologists know what wood existed then? Can soft & hard hammerstones be used on that quartz type? Thank you for an insight into the traditional approaches of those indigenous people. Your presentation is a true educational & learning experience.
Wooden billets were not recovered. It’s was primarily small antler flaking tools. I would assume having knapped quartz, quartzite and argralite they would have used stone mostly with antler in finer stages of production.
@@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks 😄The first man to duck the IRS like rambo first blood, serious much respect for the level of what you do man and those boys are lucky as hell in this confusing old world Thanks for the reply man. 🤟 stay safe.
Not necessarily specific to this test but I would really like to see some of these stone points tested on arrows from a long heavy selfbow. I know from bits and bobs of learning that there where cultures that did use large longbows up in the 100ld range and firing arrows easily around the 1500grain mark. What got me thinking about it is the Clovis points are a very similar outline shape to some the the Manchu war arrow points and from learning about them the arrow is what predates their complex long draw composite bows, so historically that culture had large self bows of possibly 35-36" draw which they used to hunt large dangerous game. I see no justifiable reason that ancient people's did not have large longbows however atlatl are also a logical assumption, I would just like to see both tested.
No worries. So for this experiment I’ll be firing my 65 lbs self bow into the bison. Several different stone points I’ll be using. It’s safe to say that many cultures used both. It’s not like the bow came into play and the Atlatl just stopped. It’s the flintlock analogy. We use them today for hunting despite having all sorts of hunting rifles with different advantages. Thanks for watching.
@@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks Look forward to seeing it, your 65ld bow is probably very appropriate for this test. My main though was for someone to test the very large points like Clovis but on arrows and that I haven't seen, aware of one African "tribe" not got the name off the top of my head but they Elephant hunted with big heavy draw longbows so very much a crossover into extinct mega fauna.
Love your content bro. And ya this is very interesting stuff I'm from central Missouri and most of the what I think is older points that I see down here are very crued so it'll be nice to see if it will kill
Do you happen to be from the norse people ? I don't know why I'm reminded by norse when I watch your videos. Or the celts, love your videos though. Very informative and also relaxing. Also are you spiritual like pagan or into druidism/ shamanism ?
I notice your in colorado, I have pebble knappers on my land everywhere. So wayyyyy before this stuff was invented. Want to see it? This is the range backside to the front range, alamosa to be exact. Mostly basalts and jaspers, some quartz. None have notchs at this point of evolutiin. Although those are found on top of this debatauge.
This is a very informative video it takes a lot of patience to get them to look as good as you got them and yes sir I believe that they will kill six stars brother
Hey donny, i have another question (like aways). When a deer is caught, people usually use the meat and skin, and sometimes they use the antlers of course, but still, a lot of parts inside the animal are wasted. Do you know if any other parts of the animal are used? Like, the tendon to be used as a bowstring for example
I haven’t done it, but I know that brains are used for tanning the hides. Not sure about deer, but animal bladders can be used as sacks. Nearly every artificial thing we use each day has its origin in something made from plants, stones, or animal parts.
Hey Donny, random but what kind of dog is Finn? My wife and I recently rescued a dog that looks very similar. Also how much does he weigh? Good looking dog!
Yeah no worries. Brains are for hide tanning, intestines make great bow strings. Sinew for hafting and sewing. Heart, liver and other essential organs are consumed. Stomachs are decent, based on the animal as a water carrier. It’s common to think everything was used, most if not all was likely used. However, time of year, type of prey, time to process and some other factors all determine what was used, consumed and thrown out. I’ve done some videos with intestines before.
@@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks oooooh, thank you for the information, and hey, if I've been bothering you with my comments and questions, you can not answer too, okay? I don't want to be a nuisance in your videos, so please, if I'm being a nuisance, be honest and I'll stop
Heat treating stone will take a less then desirable stone and make it more knappable. These stones are just of poor quality. That’s what makes them unique. Meaning ancient peoples could Knapp basic points, of poor quality and still take game.
@@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks They had the skills to pay the bills. Love your channel Donny, I found it about two years ago and got my first knapping set from your website. I'm still learning how to make caveman baby's 1st knife but I would love to take one of your classes someday.
Hmmm... again, these titles... Maybe this'n coulda been called: "Knapping Mt. Albion Points" or such... I mean, "Will it Kill?" seemed to hardly be central to this video...
IT WILL KEEEEEL!
I don’t think this is forged in fire
Some people won’t understand that reference
I get. I finally get a reference!!!
I'm glad I found your channel! Always interesting and great history! Have a great week!!
Thanks Mike. Appreciate you watching.
Same!!! I found the channel 3-4 weeks back and am highly intrigued by the content.
@@TheTalesofPolishRoyalty awesome. Appreciate you following the adventures.
Imagine the rush taking down megafauna with the boys.
Sounds far more fulfilling than a trip to the grocery store.
This Saturday we are doing another bison. It will be great!
@@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks Excellent. Will definitely watch that. Just watched the test from 11 months ago. Incredible content.
@@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks as I commented on the first video; if you're testing the strengths of certain projectile types then the data is completely inaccurate if you use multiple throwers with varying degrees of experience.
@@ao1778 no. It’s not inaccurate it’s just different sets of data. You would want people of varying degrees of strength and experience all throwing the same darts. Then you get results based on a persons ability
I think it would be interesting to see how a bone point would do against a bison. At the manis site there was one right inside a mastodon bone so people definitely hunted big game with bone points.
I love what you do! Ive always been fascinated by ancient cultures and their way of existing. You have opened my eyes to a form of living that is a lot wiser and interesting. Been following 'ya for a couple months now. Keep it up!🤙
Thanks so very much. Appreciate that greatly!
Thanks brother. Awesome stuff. Much appreciated. 🤙🏻🇺🇸
Anytime Adam. Much appreciated. Thanks for your time!
Awesome stuff watching you work the stone 👍👍
Thanks. Appreciate you watching!
QUESTION -What type of wood is best for a walking stick, approximately 6’ tall, and thick enough to damage a wild dog or knucklehead. It would be used for hiking trails, but also for around town. I have bad knees and ankles/feet (and broke almost every other bone and messed up my spine and discs as well) due to an accident (not my fault). I don’t like the look of canes at all, but I know I need something for balance. I am getting a knee replacement in a few weeks, even though I’m much younger than most people that get those. Doctors usually want to wait till you’re in your 60’s, and I am only 44. I also have suffered from this for 17 years, and will have these issues till Jesus comes to get me. I don’t have a lot of money, but if you want to make one, we may be able to come to an agreement on price. If not, advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time.
This dude reminds me of a cross between Dave Canterbury & Cody Lundin.
Wow so cool, I’ve been to those mountains and cities in my home state
This is absolutely wonderful information
Little creeks like in this video are so peaceful. Idk what it is. But the sound of creeks just slow everything down
It never occurred to me that quartz coupd be used for points. Now i gotta go look thise people up. Really cool to watch.
Considering how difficult it is to effectively knap a stone like quartz, I think it's fair to say that they were absolutely skilled knappers. Given the limitations, some of their points are nothing to scoff at.
Yeah no doubt. I do believe their projectiles were effective in every way. They will haft, fly and kill. These tools produced what they needed. Some stone knapps better than others, and the Mt Albion made it work.
Great video haven’t checked in in a while good to see you doing well
Thanks. Appreciate you watching!
I couldn't help but notice how some of the rectangular projectile points look like modern day box cutter blades.
Bro👍
Hey Donny
Have you considered making a video on Rabbit/fat starvation? It was a huge killer back in the day
its incredibly interesting watching you go . keep up the amazing
work
Will do amigo. Appreciate your time. Thanks!
I’m from the east coast and we don’t get a lot of high quality stone, once in a while you can find a small flint but mostly on my adventures, quartzite quartzite and yes you guessed it quartzite. Best out of the banks of the Potomac river, some jasper in pongo ridge Va beach. But other than that it’s chunky points all day.
I hear you. I lived on the east coast and feel for you. Make simple tools to get the job done. Not everyone has access to the good stuff. Appreciate you watching!
Coollll
History,Art,Early Human survival in the Harshest of Conditions, Thank You.
It is curious whenever i see "quartz" points. I always think of them as an act of desperation if you're going to haft them into something. Ask him if there's ever been a protein residue finding on one before. I'm curious to know if there's hints as to what they were having some success with on game. Is bison just what comes to mind because it's a Paleo?
Will do. We will be doing a full edge analysis when it’s all said and done. Thanks for watching. Appreciate it.
Your reference to the use of poison surprised me. Especially regarding early peoples of arid or temperate climates. I’ve always connected poisons to the tropics where so many species of poisonous creatures exist. Or specific plant life. Please highlight the use of poison in the above mentioned climates and how they were produced.
Great videos. Thanks !
Soo Cool bro
Donny is arced out d00d
The term freeze cracked comes to mind. You’ve done a great job ! I’ve tried some and just gave up.
Appreciate you watching.
I know that some chert back in the day was "baked" so to say in sand under a bed of coals to increase the flakeability of the stone. I wonder if that would work in this application.
Heat treating stone isn’t an option with these materials. However, heat treating stone is pretty common it wouldn’t have been something done with this culture. Essentially they havent found and projectiles or Debitage that has been heat treated.
Very cool as always, Donny can you make a tool with the levallois technique?
Hey brother, was wondering if you could let me in on your methods for your hides and how you prepare them, do you do it all natural? Appreciate the feedback 🍻
Another great entertaining, educational, and inspiring video. Thank you.
Awesome
Excellent videos brother!
Thanks. Appreciate it greatly!
@@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks you inspired me to make stone throwing knife for short video :D i will upload it soon
Awesome. I’ll check it out for sure!
Just subscribed!
@@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks Much appreciated brother! Maybe we can figure it out some collab in near future !!! I love to throw any primitive weapon :)) did you ever tried Swiss arrow ?
After watching you make pine pitch and one of the ingredients was moose organics. Have any scary moose run ins?
Hey Donny, which book of yours would teach most of the caveman craftsmanships?
The third one I’m working on. My second book Earthroamer has some stuff in it.
@@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks Alright awesome, I’ll be the first to buy it!
Do you play Horizon Zero Dawn? The reason I am asking is because I have seen your videos of Far Cry Primal tools. They are insane!
Since Horizon also has many primitive bows and arrows, I thought you may recreate those.
Hi Donnie, bad material, great skill ! You inspire me to be a better knapper ! Thanks Donnie !
Get on it. Start Knapping. It’s a good adventure. Appreciate you watching!!! Thanks
Very cool! Can't wait to see the results 🤠
Great content
Thanks.
It will at that I just wish I had my legs back and this freedom
This might be nerdy to ask but if it's alright, would you make a tusken raider gaffi stick (essentiallya type of war club)? Their ability to take so little to make such a reliable and multifunctional weapon and general tool has always been amazing to me. They even have variations so there's no true version which encourages it's functionality and decorations!
Have any pottery points been tried? Is that even a thing? Maybe grind out a point?
Pottery if heated correctly I bet could take some small game. The issue is when the projectile hits bone. Does the bone break or does the projectile?
A better question would be, why was there such a difference in either skill level or technique in this culture from other cultures in the vicinity?
We can’t test their skill level. However, their projectiles are left behind. So, we can rebuild them and test there effectiveness against a target. Differences in the make of stone points comes down to the necessity and stone availability. They did not trade based off the recovered materials and were sourced locally.
@@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks Very interesting situation. It almost seems like they kept themselves isolated for some reason.
@@Shooter11B I think that a very accurate statement. I guess if everything the need was in one area…why leave. It’s hard to say and understand their habits and practices when all we have are stone assemblages. Appreciate you watching. Thanks.
@@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks Agreed. LOVE the content.
Would that material be better suited for smaller arrow points? Or does it need the mass for integrity?. Did that culture only use atlatals or did they have access to bow woods and other resources?.
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Did that culture use wooden billets to knapp after obtaining a spall? If so, do Archeologists know what wood existed then? Can soft & hard hammerstones be used on that quartz type? Thank you for an insight into the traditional approaches of those indigenous people. Your presentation is a true educational & learning experience.
Wooden billets were not recovered. It’s was primarily small antler flaking tools. I would assume having knapped quartz, quartzite and argralite they would have used stone mostly with antler in finer stages of production.
Do you have a brick home or do you just chill wild style? Always wondered.🤔
Well…it’s a bit of both. I have two sons and have to do dad stuff. I’m outside all the time however. I don’t own a home.
@@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks 😄The first man to duck the IRS like rambo first blood, serious much respect for the level of what you do man and those boys are lucky as hell in this confusing old world
Thanks for the reply man. 🤟 stay safe.
Not necessarily specific to this test but I would really like to see some of these stone points tested on arrows from a long heavy selfbow. I know from bits and bobs of learning that there where cultures that did use large longbows up in the 100ld range and firing arrows easily around the 1500grain mark.
What got me thinking about it is the Clovis points are a very similar outline shape to some the the Manchu war arrow points and from learning about them the arrow is what predates their complex long draw composite bows, so historically that culture had large self bows of possibly 35-36" draw which they used to hunt large dangerous game.
I see no justifiable reason that ancient people's did not have large longbows however atlatl are also a logical assumption, I would just like to see both tested.
No worries. So for this experiment I’ll be firing my 65 lbs self bow into the bison. Several different stone points I’ll be using. It’s safe to say that many cultures used both. It’s not like the bow came into play and the Atlatl just stopped. It’s the flintlock analogy. We use them today for hunting despite having all sorts of hunting rifles with different advantages. Thanks for watching.
@@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks Look forward to seeing it, your 65ld bow is probably very appropriate for this test. My main though was for someone to test the very large points like Clovis but on arrows and that I haven't seen, aware of one African "tribe" not got the name off the top of my head but they Elephant hunted with big heavy draw longbows so very much a crossover into extinct mega fauna.
Love your content bro. And ya this is very interesting stuff I'm from central Missouri and most of the what I think is older points that I see down here are very crued so it'll be nice to see if it will kill
Absolutely. I have no doubt they will get the job done!!!! They were a pain to make. Horrible stone.
how about a video about making a Mesolithic bow like yours?
SORRY IM LATE, hi again Donny
Appreciate you watching!
I know I'm alittle late at asking this but would heat treating the stone help in knapping the points?
Do you happen to be from the norse people ? I don't know why I'm reminded by norse when I watch your videos. Or the celts, love your videos though. Very informative and also relaxing.
Also are you spiritual like pagan or into druidism/ shamanism ?
I notice your in colorado, I have pebble knappers on my land everywhere. So wayyyyy before this stuff was invented. Want to see it? This is the range backside to the front range, alamosa to be exact. Mostly basalts and jaspers, some quartz. None have notchs at this point of evolutiin. Although those are found on top of this debatauge.
Awesome. This culture was exclusively front side. Not to elaborate in their design, but effective hunters.
hello, i like your "Jacket", where did you bought it ?
This is a very informative video it takes a lot of patience to get them to look as good as you got them and yes sir I believe that they will kill six stars brother
Joseph. Appreciate that greatly. We will test the theory soon. No doubt they will kill!
Hey donny, i have another question (like aways). When a deer is caught, people usually use the meat and skin, and sometimes they use the antlers of course, but still, a lot of parts inside the animal are wasted. Do you know if any other parts of the animal are used? Like, the tendon to be used as a bowstring for example
I haven’t done it, but I know that brains are used for tanning the hides. Not sure about deer, but animal bladders can be used as sacks. Nearly every artificial thing we use each day has its origin in something made from plants, stones, or animal parts.
Hey Donny, random but what kind of dog is Finn? My wife and I recently rescued a dog that looks very similar. Also how much does he weigh? Good looking dog!
@@Justintime8510 what?
Yeah no worries. Brains are for hide tanning, intestines make great bow strings. Sinew for hafting and sewing. Heart, liver and other essential organs are consumed. Stomachs are decent, based on the animal as a water carrier. It’s common to think everything was used, most if not all was likely used. However, time of year, type of prey, time to process and some other factors all determine what was used, consumed and thrown out. I’ve done some videos with intestines before.
@@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks oooooh, thank you for the information, and hey, if I've been bothering you with my comments and questions, you can not answer too, okay? I don't want to be a nuisance in your videos, so please, if I'm being a nuisance, be honest and I'll stop
O yeah
If you can get enough force, it should kill/penetrate!? Biting my nails for P2 😁
No worries. Lots of bison footage soon! Hope you enjoy!
So they were near south Park?
Near Boulder mostly.
it will kill forge in fire
Thanks for watching. Appreciate it greatly!
If the stone is brittle i would suggest to fire harden it
You can't fire harden rock, fire makes them more brittle.
Heat treating stone will take a less then desirable stone and make it more knappable. These stones are just of poor quality. That’s what makes them unique. Meaning ancient peoples could Knapp basic points, of poor quality and still take game.
@@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks They had the skills to pay the bills. Love your channel Donny, I found it about two years ago and got my first knapping set from your website. I'm still learning how to make caveman baby's 1st knife but I would love to take one of your classes someday.
Hmmm... again, these titles... Maybe this'n coulda been called: "Knapping Mt. Albion Points" or such... I mean, "Will it Kill?" seemed to hardly be central to this video...
Bi-facial, 😳🤣🤣🤣 in this day of age im not certain that term means the what it used to in this twisted society!🤣🤣
Maybe they lived more of a scavenge lifestyle?
those will kill. yep.