Normies will regularly spend $6 on overpriced coffee from a certain authoritarian coffee franchise, but wont spend $2.99 one time for a secure messaging app
You can pay in cash for an overpriced coffee while in this case there's no way to pay in cash for the messaging app. For the average user you do have a point, but for some who prefer to remain completely anonymous the payments list is a red flag and the Bitcoin misinformation is probably the worst offender in this case.
@@perkimba8369 Complete anonymity on the internet is almost a myth. The only way to be 100% anonymous on the internet is to not use it. Preferably live in a uniboomer cabin in the woods. Threema is still better than something like Facebook Messenger or whatever. Let's not get caught up on the perfect anonymity shit, and just recognize that it's a possibly more reliable alternative to Signal and also isnt a bioluminescent botnet.
@@hedgeearthridge6807 I would say 90% communicators are better then anything from Zuc. As for payment people tend to forget that their cash goes from ATM. Nie you are forced to have bank account and be paid by ETF means. This is sick.
@@aaaaaaaaau Exactly.. for private messaging you can get much better decentralized messaging. Threema is not fully decentralized but a good start which is at least DSGVO conform. So it can be used by companies in Europe. ^^'
@Armado Is there a way to know when you subscribed to a channel? I have been watching for at least 3 or 4 months but possibly much longer than that, would be interesting to know the exact time.
@@magnusanderson6681 xxluke.de/subscription-history/ you can here i guess. But i remember unsubscribing and then resubscribing for a sec so i couldn't really get when i subscribed. i d k
Yeah dude, your vids are nothing short of always informative. Thanks for all your efforts. We need more information like this flowing out far and wide.
@@MentalOutlaw Damm 10 times the subs in 2 years , honestly mental outlaw currently is the only UA-camr i enjoy with no one else doing this type of informative content much love to you mental outlaw.
Threema looks good to me. But it's hard enough getting people to switch to a free app like Signal.. Getting normies to install a paid app is downright impossible.
"Normies" aka, "duh care-less" = "duh clue-less-ers" don't have a CLUE that their "devices," not only know their exact LOCATIONS, on. or off! But... they also know what being typed, by OS Installed key loggers, and what ever is being ... "said" on or OFF.... thru their UNRESTRICTED / Unsecured "mics," even while using an "end to end" encryption app! And whatever their CAMRA sees... on or off, now-a-days!
I heard about threema from the new amazon prime series "The Terminal List." They mentioned it in episode 2 when the main character addresses phone security
This. No crap like needing phone, proper encryption, the underlying protocol not being 90s derelict, self-hosted if you want it, I wonder why it's not a video yet
It would be worth it to do a video on IRC. IRC servers are able to be hosted by everyone on their own computers, so there's no risk of anyone's preferred platform closing down without it being their own conscious decision. I also find IRC to be a bit confusing to get into, with a lot of default programs on Linux being not so user friendly.
I am using Threema since years now and I wouldn't swap it for another messenger. As you pointed out it is not perfect but for me it is simply the best.
Some (redundant) facts about threema, of which some aren‘t mentioned. - OpenSource - Has ~yearly security audits - Is used by the swiss government for confidential stuff (it‘s publicly nown) - Because of that, it‘s checked even better - Hosted in Switzerland (no backalley-courts or laws that force backdoors upon companies - which sadly is the case for signal with the US-hosting) - Paid app is good (it is NEVER „free“ - free apps are paid with your data) - It costs next to nothing anyway.. there is no excuse - Most peoply don‘t need to worry about anonymous-payment. The spying during the normal usage (messaging) is the main issues with these apps. - Additionally there is ThreemaWork for companies - An additional income source that ensures our privacy - easy to create a real, proper end-to-end encryption where only you and the other person hat the encryption key - easy to share this key -> QR code - Encrypted backup-„safe“ - multiple layers of security & passwords possible In the end, both threema and signal are better than Whatsapp. Why not use both? There is no real excuse to that - only lazyness.
I use Signal, but in the case of Threena I really don't see much a potential when we've already entered the era of free stuff [It barely has 1 million downloads on Android]. Plus, I'm not going to tell my uncle from Brazil [He's blind] to get a paid app that nobody around him uses in the first place.
> Why not use both? There is no real excuse for that Say that to my parents or relatives or anyone who might want your contact (basically what Perkimba said)
now probably mainly through threema work. The swiss goverment enrolled it for all employees and also goverment owned companies use it. For the goverment its cleared for restricted informations.
I've recently been thinking about switching to Threema (getting rid of Whatsapp of course) and fortunately there is another payment method in my region. A "paysafe card". Don't know how it is in other parts of the world, but basically you go to your local gas station pay a certain amount and they print a code, which you can then use to buy stuff online.
Telegram stores your messages in their servers as stated in their own website. That alone defeats the purpose of privacy as proven by the data breach from 2020 that exposed millions of users. Also it's closed-source, and the UA-camr doesn't like that.
@@re57k It depends. For example, you definitely don't want to share your address and then get doxxed or whatever after a data breach that gets your private address leaked.
For someone who is completely new to this, and wants to start protecting himself more, where do you think I should start acting first? It's a but overwhelming because it's A LOT of cracks to solves in my own safety
Well at some stores in my country (Austria) you can purchase an anonymous Mastercard (Cash4Web) (with cash) (you get a receipt with the number), but you can just make purchases up to 50€ due to anti terror regulation.
Both Treema and Signal offer no adds or tracking as as fas as I hear, Threema offers better end-to-end encryption. Why would any non criminal care if the app was obtained anonymously or not?
I'm having a problem. After trying many times, now it is not possible to create a new ID. I don't even have a backup file, I don't have a phone number, I don't have an email ID. I can't open the ID in any way. What to do now?
12:00 mailing cash is prohibited in all german speaking countries. Also I guess the coins would damage the envelope, since the lowest paper bill is 5€ over here.
I don't think you can sideload this app on an iPhone. Unless they provide it as a profile that has to be verified by Apple then re-verified every week (unless you have jailbreak). iOS user will definitely have a hell of a time keeping up with that. So, it would have to be from the apple app store. Android is good, sideload the apk and go.
uMessenger from the Utopia ecosystem is an instant messaging service. An easy-to-use section of the ecosystem that allows you to securely IM, transfer photos, videos and files
Mental Outlaw, Janary 2021 : "Facebook could have just built a backdoor into WhatsApp's encryption itself" WhatsApp, a few months later: *builds a front door into the client that automatically forwards your messages*
Big tech is hoping enough of their people ruin their sites with hate and fake 'alt-right' acccounts. This is how they took down parler. I literally watched it happen.
Signal is taking off , but I am worried if they announce some monetary plans like non Facebook whatsapp, people will be dropping it Linus drops different things.Same if they turn into the new whatsapp which I don't think they will but still. Hopefully, the amount of people who know about privacy has increased in these years and maybe donations might be enough. Time will tell.
Yup you're correct! But does that matter? Even though the server code is open no one can verify if Signal use that source code that they posted on their github pages to their servers lol.
"anonymous bitcoin" w/ help of monero?! > But but but doesn't sending your bitcoin to a monero address of your own then back to another bitcoin address of your own do the "MIXING"?! (changenow.io ?!) > Would that help stir things up? edit: lmfao yes it still makes it hard considering they're on different blockchains, crosschain swaps aren't really much of a thing but but but what about KYC-LESS changenow.com swap exchange service type websites, HMM
Can you talk about the weeb app Line? Apparently they utilize 256 AES for they encryption for transport and some other things locally (I didn't really look at the 2017 document very long). Yeah it's closed source, but I'd still like to hear your thoughts on it. d.line-scdn [dot] net/stf/linecorp/en/csr/line-encryption-whitepaper-ver2.0.pdf for their overview.
When Threema added voice and video calling it spent a lot of time actually upgrading and fixing security issues in WebRC before adding it to Threema. I wonder what flaws other apps have using outdated libraries. hmmmm
Please make video about telegram. And whether we should relay upon pavel durovs trustworthiness and stand during russia banning telegram vs fighting not to give up telegram keys to rus govt stand of durov scenario.
If they know that you bought Threema, but they can't figure out what messages you send, it is not that bad. But you could also make a fake Google Account (maybe needs some anonymous Phonenumber) and buy it on the Playstore.
That way you have to provide your debit or credit card, which defeats the purpose of paying anonymously. The problem is even bigger if you're in a country where gift cards don't exist.
@@perkimba8369 In my country Paysafecards and gift cards are available as a payment option. Edit: To also make a fake Paysafe account is maybe inconvenient, if you not already have one, so gift cards are maybe the best option and if you can't get one, I would just buy the app from the official website with my bank account. Not the best solution, but the messages should still be secure.
I am a foil hat wearer, but asking a global company to accept mail in paper cash is too much for me. So what if I paid for it with google? Aside from Google whoring our data like everything else...how many people have a fully Google free android device? My Threema account is linked to nothing. The biggest complaint is the lack of privacy for payment, so signal is better? But needs a phone number and how many people legally acquire a phone number without any way of tracking it back? Burner phone, fbi tracking, cash payments...if you are this deep and are getting noticed...you screwed up somewhere else already.
"What is Threema?" Threema balls, lmao gottem
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@Abhishek Almeida Mohammed enieb of UA-cam
Normies will regularly spend $6 on overpriced coffee from a certain authoritarian coffee franchise, but wont spend $2.99 one time for a secure messaging app
Meanwhile I have my $2.49 vacuum-sealed brick of Cafe Bustelo, that makes like 5 gallons of good, er, decent coffee.
You can pay in cash for an overpriced coffee while in this case there's no way to pay in cash for the messaging app. For the average user you do have a point, but for some who prefer to remain completely anonymous the payments list is a red flag and the Bitcoin misinformation is probably the worst offender in this case.
@@perkimba8369 Complete anonymity on the internet is almost a myth. The only way to be 100% anonymous on the internet is to not use it. Preferably live in a uniboomer cabin in the woods. Threema is still better than something like Facebook Messenger or whatever. Let's not get caught up on the perfect anonymity shit, and just recognize that it's a possibly more reliable alternative to Signal and also isnt a bioluminescent botnet.
@@hedgeearthridge6807 I would say 90% communicators are better then anything from Zuc.
As for payment people tend to forget that their cash goes from ATM. Nie you are forced to have bank account and be paid by ETF means.
This is sick.
It’s about trust. I just don’t trust them to stay in business long enough with this pricing model
4000% that explains the "out of service we're fixing it now" notification I got today.
yeah, it went from being something hardley anyone uses, to #1 in all the app stores for messaging
You are really popping off now... Good! This channel is a gem.
Bruh im popping of every time this dude uploads
@@reptilejesus829 I just popped off so hard
Federated is the future
not for private messaging imo
spreads unencrypted metadata over different homeservers
for Teams or companies who host their own server its great tho
@@aaaaaaaaau Exactly.. for private messaging you can get much better decentralized messaging. Threema is not fully decentralized but a good start which is at least DSGVO conform. So it can be used by companies in Europe. ^^'
imagine if a bald man say something like this
Only if you dont have to become a node. If its optional then ok.
GNU Jami is completely decentralised. More people should use it. It's pretty good.
I predict Mental Outlaw will have 100K subscribers by May, the way the channel is growing, it’s inevitable
lol yeah
He's just too good.
I didnt even realize the subscriber spike! I have been here for a while now!
@Armado Is there a way to know when you subscribed to a channel? I have been watching for at least 3 or 4 months but possibly much longer than that, would be interesting to know the exact time.
@@magnusanderson6681 xxluke.de/subscription-history/ you can here i guess. But i remember unsubscribing and then resubscribing for a sec so i couldn't really get when i subscribed. i d k
Yeah dude, your vids are nothing short of always informative. Thanks for all your efforts.
We need more information like this flowing out far and wide.
damn just realized that this channel already has 50k subs, keep it up bro. You're videos are very informative and helpful.
thanks
@@MentalOutlaw Damm 10 times the subs in 2 years , honestly mental outlaw currently is the only UA-camr i enjoy with no one else doing this type of informative content much love to you mental outlaw.
Threema looks good to me. But it's hard enough getting people to switch to a free app like Signal.. Getting normies to install a paid app is downright impossible.
"Normies" aka, "duh care-less" = "duh clue-less-ers" don't have a CLUE that their "devices," not only know their exact LOCATIONS, on. or off! But... they also know what being typed, by OS Installed key loggers, and what ever is being ... "said" on or OFF.... thru their UNRESTRICTED / Unsecured "mics," even while using an "end to end" encryption app! And whatever their CAMRA sees... on or off, now-a-days!
Quick suggestion about anonymous payment. If they wont take cash or Monero, the next best thing is a prepaid visa giftcard paid for in cash.
I heard about threema from the new amazon prime series "The Terminal List." They mentioned it in episode 2 when the main character addresses phone security
Do Element/Matrix next :D
Yesss!
Yes
This. No crap like needing phone, proper encryption, the underlying protocol not being 90s derelict, self-hosted if you want it, I wonder why it's not a video yet
@@Grishanof and has a lot of messaging / chat clients
Definitely!
It would be worth it to do a video on IRC. IRC servers are able to be hosted by everyone on their own computers, so there's no risk of anyone's preferred platform closing down without it being their own conscious decision. I also find IRC to be a bit confusing to get into, with a lot of default programs on Linux being not so user friendly.
It surprised me to learn that Elon said to use signal because he literally said multiple time on the Joe Rogan podcast that privacy doesn't matter
Do a video about XMPP and/or matrix
I am using Threema since years now and I wouldn't swap it for another messenger. As you pointed out it is not perfect but for me it is simply the best.
can you message folks that don't use the app?
@@GeauxRilla No I can't.
Some (redundant) facts about threema, of which some aren‘t mentioned.
- OpenSource
- Has ~yearly security audits
- Is used by the swiss government for confidential stuff (it‘s publicly nown)
- Because of that, it‘s checked even better
- Hosted in Switzerland (no backalley-courts or laws that force backdoors upon companies - which sadly is the case for signal with the US-hosting)
- Paid app is good (it is NEVER „free“ - free apps are paid with your data)
- It costs next to nothing anyway.. there is no excuse
- Most peoply don‘t need to worry about anonymous-payment. The spying during the normal usage (messaging) is the main issues with these apps.
- Additionally there is ThreemaWork for companies
- An additional income source that ensures our privacy
- easy to create a real, proper end-to-end encryption where only you and the other person hat the encryption key
- easy to share this key -> QR code
- Encrypted backup-„safe“
- multiple layers of security & passwords possible
In the end, both threema and signal are better than Whatsapp. Why not use both? There is no real excuse to that - only lazyness.
I use Signal, but in the case of Threena I really don't see much a potential when we've already entered the era of free stuff [It barely has 1 million downloads on Android]. Plus, I'm not going to tell my uncle from Brazil [He's blind] to get a paid app that nobody around him uses in the first place.
telegram
> Why not use both? There is no real excuse for that
Say that to my parents or relatives or anyone who might want your contact (basically what Perkimba said)
Element > Threema > Signal
congratulations on the 50,000 subs mate, good job
I love you Outlaw ❤️
Threema is best,no phone number no email,this is the way to go regarding privacy.
You are on a roll dude! This channel is growing super fast, keep up the good work.
Just do a video on matrix, and the fact that you can self host it.
Do a video on matrix
It would be interesting a video about Neochat, brand new messaging app from KDE team ;)
Anyone from Slovakia? We know about Threema very well :D Search for Marian Kočner if you wanna know more...
If threema wasn't 5x more expensive in my country, I would buy it immediately. I really want to test it, although none of my friends use it.
Threema is cool, it's only £2,79 no phone number no email address,I can't believe more people don't purchase this app👍
Congrats on 50k!
Please upload your videos to lbry, lbry is decentralized open source free speech alternative to youtube (like this so he can see it)
He does... lbry.tv/@AlphaNerd:8
although to be fair, LBRY's search function is so shit that searching 'mental outlaw' does not show his channel
@@magnusanderson6681 Thanks!!
I recommend using the Utopia ecosystem. Excellent diverse functionality. The main advantage, I think, is absolute anonymity for users.
i heard the first 15 seconds and already liked the video
But what about a pre paid card?
You dont pay for your Threema ID, you pay for the client.
Not sure if there is any way to link the client "ID"/info with the actual Threema ID
Lightning network would be a good option for payment. Low network fee and high speed. Maybe L-BTC too.
They must have watched your review because now they offer pay by cash through the mail! :)
Much slower, obviously, but a lot harder to track.
What do you think about Wire or Element ?
Threema is now accepting cash! Which makes them the best for privacy and security messaging!
Wire,Threema and Signal are best 😊😊👍😎
Quick question, how do signal make money? if they have to increase infrastructure to support the new load, where do they get the funds from?
Donations.
@@johnh.3823 good point.
now probably mainly through threema work. The swiss goverment enrolled it for all employees and also goverment owned companies use it. For the goverment its cleared for restricted informations.
If they are willing to take 2.99 or whatever who says they won’t take 200 mil when Twitter or whoever wants to buy them???
I've recently been thinking about switching to Threema (getting rid of Whatsapp of course) and fortunately there is another payment method in my region.
A "paysafe card". Don't know how it is in other parts of the world, but basically you go to your local gas station pay a certain amount and they print a code, which you can then use to buy stuff online.
Yeah, paysafe is like a pre-paid credit card essentially.
Maybe a video on Telegram?
Yeah this is an app that most of my families started using too. So I'd be interested in a video about it
Telegram stores your messages in their servers as stated in their own website. That alone defeats the purpose of privacy as proven by the data breach from 2020 that exposed millions of users.
Also it's closed-source, and the UA-camr doesn't like that.
@@perkimba8369 it's sometimes useful to be able to store messages though
@@re57k It depends. For example, you definitely don't want to share your address and then get doxxed or whatever after a data breach that gets your private address leaked.
For someone who is completely new to this, and wants to start protecting himself more, where do you think I should start acting first? It's a but overwhelming because it's A LOT of cracks to solves in my own safety
Well at some stores in my country (Austria) you can purchase an anonymous Mastercard (Cash4Web) (with cash) (you get a receipt with the number), but you can just make purchases up to 50€ due to anti terror regulation.
Thanks Kenny. very cool!
Couldn't you go out with cash, buy a 25 dollar prepaid visa and pay for all your services with that? How is that any less private than cash?
Please make a video about Element (Riot.im) messenger.
Couldn't you buy a prepaid visa at a store with cash and use that to buy the app anonymously?
neets need to start getting jobs so that we can support open source software.
Both Treema and Signal offer no adds or tracking as as fas as I hear, Threema offers better end-to-end encryption. Why would any non criminal care if the app was obtained anonymously or not?
I'm having a problem.
After trying many times, now it is not possible to create a new ID. I don't even have a backup file, I don't have a phone number, I don't have an email ID. I can't open the ID in any way. What to do now?
12:00 mailing cash is prohibited in all german speaking countries. Also I guess the coins would damage the envelope, since the lowest paper bill is 5€ over here.
Maybe using a paper check
I don't think you can sideload this app on an iPhone. Unless they provide it as a profile that has to be verified by Apple then re-verified every week (unless you have jailbreak). iOS user will definitely have a hell of a time keeping up with that. So, it would have to be from the apple app store. Android is good, sideload the apk and go.
If you worry about privacy that much, then you probably don't want to use Apple products anyway.
uMessenger from the Utopia ecosystem is an instant messaging service. An easy-to-use section of the ecosystem that allows you to securely IM, transfer photos, videos and files
@Mental Outlaw
Something about Keybase?
you can pay threema with a prepaid credit card, those visa gift card.. it isnt linked to u!
I'm using XMPP/Jabber and zero issues. Also, I'm waiting until Jami will be spread.
But can't you just go out and buy a Playstore card with cash, redeem it on an otherwise empty Google account and there you go, payment anonymous?
Threema doesn't require a phone number or an email address,just an 8 character ID😀
Love 3ma. It's treated me well. Feds be damned
Okey non ti preoccupare!
Signal is ok but still rather Session or Briar. Not so fancy but does gr8 job for me.
Can you review the Session app?
What software do you use to manage your cryptocurrency wallets?
Threema is awesome.
Couldn’t you get a prepaid visa or MC and use that for payment? Or no? Legit question, sorry if it’s stupid lol
What about Telegram? It's open source as well and has been a WhatsApp competitor for a while now.
What about prepaid Visa/MasterCard gift cards? (as payment for license)
Nice
Mental Outlaw, Janary 2021 : "Facebook could have just built a backdoor into WhatsApp's encryption itself"
WhatsApp, a few months later: *builds a front door into the client that automatically forwards your messages*
Lol Signal is down
Gab is slow too, can we call it "the big tech exodus"?
Big tech is hoping enough of their people ruin their sites with hate and fake 'alt-right' acccounts. This is how they took down parler. I literally watched it happen.
Good job
But is the Threesome source code as audited as the single source code?
Threema code has been audited many times than Signal. The last audit is 2020!
@@shoukokomi8081 I just went through the audit and their website. It's incredible. Oh and happy weebing too uwu!
What do you think about Wire?
Signal is taking off , but I am worried if they announce some monetary plans like non Facebook whatsapp, people will be dropping it Linus drops different things.Same if they turn into the new whatsapp which I don't think they will but still. Hopefully, the amount of people who know about privacy has increased in these years and maybe donations might be enough. Time will tell.
I think with Threema only the client application is open source.
With Signal both the Client and the Server Code are open source.
Yup you're correct! But does that matter? Even though the server code is open no one can verify if Signal use that source code that they posted on their github pages to their servers lol.
0:21 - You're excepting way to much from people
how can you be open source and be a paid app. where is the free version?
"anonymous bitcoin" w/ help of monero?!
> But but but doesn't sending your bitcoin to a monero address of your own then back to another bitcoin address of your own do the "MIXING"?! (changenow.io ?!)
> Would that help stir things up?
edit: lmfao yes it still makes it hard considering they're on different blockchains, crosschain swaps aren't really much of a thing
but but but what about KYC-LESS changenow.com swap exchange service type websites, HMM
make a matrix server and drop the url
You can buy Google play gift cards, and so u don't need to give them correct personal information
Can you talk about the weeb app Line? Apparently they utilize 256 AES for they encryption for transport and some other things locally (I didn't really look at the 2017 document very long). Yeah it's closed source, but I'd still like to hear your thoughts on it. d.line-scdn [dot] net/stf/linecorp/en/csr/line-encryption-whitepaper-ver2.0.pdf for their overview.
I installed Signal because Kenny told me to do it one day before Elon.
When Threema added voice and video calling it spent a lot of time actually upgrading and fixing security issues in WebRC before adding it to Threema. I wonder what flaws other apps have using outdated libraries. hmmmm
Ya, right now I like Threema as a company so far
Signal *cough* *cough* lol
Please make video about telegram. And whether we should relay upon pavel durovs trustworthiness and stand during russia banning telegram vs fighting not to give up telegram keys to rus govt stand of durov scenario.
What do you think of Wickr Me?
nice
Any thoughts on Wickr Me, Wire?
Do you recomend kali linux? Ive used gentoo but its too much of a pain too maintain and I want to get into ctfs
@Average Linux User duh I m more worried about the software on there some of it isnt open source
Threema is based in Switzerland. They never part with anything, including data.
Does it mean that we will get Telegram video.
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Viber his same on signal in Serbia and other countries use Viber of signal excluding peer to peer audio and video calling
If they know that you bought Threema, but they can't figure out what messages you send, it is not that bad.
But you could also make a fake Google Account (maybe needs some anonymous Phonenumber) and buy it on the Playstore.
That way you have to provide your debit or credit card, which defeats the purpose of paying anonymously. The problem is even bigger if you're in a country where gift cards don't exist.
@@perkimba8369 In my country Paysafecards and gift cards are available as a payment option.
Edit:
To also make a fake Paysafe account is maybe inconvenient, if you not already have one, so gift cards are maybe the best option and if you can't get one, I would just buy the app from the official website with my bank account. Not the best solution, but the messages should still be secure.
@@perkimba8369 that's better than giving your phone number lol. And beside you can still use bitcoin anonymously. (IF) you know how
Channel is finally exploding. It's mental! (I'll see myself out)
What about telegram ?
Oh boy, Telegram had a data breach in 2020 that exposed millions of users.
@@perkimba8369 weren't exposed only data from a third party application used in Iran ?
I am a foil hat wearer, but asking a global company to accept mail in paper cash is too much for me. So what if I paid for it with google? Aside from Google whoring our data like everything else...how many people have a fully Google free android device? My Threema account is linked to nothing.
The biggest complaint is the lack of privacy for payment, so signal is better? But needs a phone number and how many people legally acquire a phone number without any way of tracking it back? Burner phone, fbi tracking, cash payments...if you are this deep and are getting noticed...you screwed up somewhere else already.
❤️ LibreSprite
Lol ikr my parents and their friends blindly installed signal.