I was Born and Raised in Worland, Wyoming, my parents and I left Jackson Hole in 1959 and now as I have no Relatives left, I am coming back to Wyoming to hopefully buy a place somewhere from Worland to Lander and my Father told me about this battle of the Shoshone and Crow Chiefs having this occurrence but not to the IN DEPTH way that You Sir has described this Historical Event ! You got me VERY Interested More in the History of Wyoming !!! Therefore I Subscribed to get More of Your EXEMPLARY , FANTASTIC ,and INTERESTING History Lessons !!! THANK YOU Ever So Much ! You have a New FAN !!!
Y’all should have never left Jackson. You’d be millionaires. Not that you’d want to live there currently. Traffic is crazy at different times of the year, too many people that don’t live here full time want to determine how those that have been living here live. Just saying it would have been a great move as far as your family is concerned. I’ve been living in the Jackson/Alpine area for the last 25+ years. Beautiful place. Winters can be brutal, but I really think it’s the one of the most amazing and beautiful places in the entire world. Great fishing, hunting, out door activities if you are into that.. not sure if you’ve been to worland area much or lately.. but I’d grab land south of Jackson before Worland. But I grew up in Wisconsin. So I need more greenish land,rivers, lakes and so on. To me, Worland is kinda ugly and just alot of sagebrush plains.
@dwightchaos9449 I went on a Road Trip to buy a house in Riverton, Wyoming last November 8th, after driving in the DARK on the last 5 hours until I arrived at Riverton, my GPS put me coming into Wyoming at that Pass North of Jackson Hole, was a COMPLETE WHITEOUT BLIZZARD, almost ran into 3 Mule Deer, and if I hadn't been Nodding off due to Exaustion and being on the Wrong side of the road, I would have ran into a herd of ELK !! also while Nodding off/ being on the Wrong side of the road, I hit a Road marker with my Driver's side mirror that just knocked off a 1/2 inch of ICE... ran off the Road 3 times... good thing there are no ditches, just the Road slopes off, and I just drove back onto the Road all the while in 4 wheel drive... I did arrive at Riverton at 0100hrs, 1:00 am..was 24F !.. I searched Numerous homes with a REAL Estate agent, was gonna put $2,000.00 for Earnest money on a place, but the people wouldn't work with me, I LOVED the area, BUT, the City water tasted Terrible, got to looking around about the water supply compared to SW Washington state where I live, and decided that part was a more important factor, so with my tail between my hind legs I came back to COMMUNISTIC Washington state... and being 73 years OLD, and doing this move all by myself, having COPD,... the Water along with my not breathing as well I came home. I live on 14 1/2 acres of woods in the Wilderness where my closest neighbor is OVER a Half mile Down the hill, through the trees as I live on Top of the hill, with Corporate Timberland bordering my upper pasture fence line so there will Never BE ANY neighbors behind me. I LOVE that Riverton area.. I TRULY HATE MYSELF for not buying a place there, but... the WATER was the MAJOR Factor. If I can, after August, I am saving my money to buy a small place in Wyoming to have something to live at during the Spring-Autumn months, becoming one of those " Snow-Birds" Tin-Horns !!! I just have a drive in me to go back to Wyoming !!! and I AGREE with You on Worland being just sagebrush and dirt !!! I went there. Thanks for the feedback !!! GOD BLESS YOU and YOURS !!!
@@cruisin682002 wow.. sorry to hear ya had that awful of trip.. That pass you are talking about is called Towgotee pass. Even if in 4 wheel drive, in a pickup truck, it’s a hairy drive when in ice and snow. One really needs to have sandbags in the back for traction. We also always warn of driving passes alone at night in winter conditions. We might not have ditches, but some parts of the road could have you dropping down 100 ft into a river or marsh. After a bit of snow, you wouldn’t be noticed until it was too late. We also usually always carry extra water, blankets, food just in case of similar situations. I snowplow in the winter time so am very experienced with driving n all sorts of winter conditions. The grade or steepness of the mountain roads is a huge factor also. Take all that into effect, add huge wildlife possibly on the road, and I would make sure to always take that trip in the day time. When heading to Jackson, you have to take that pass to get there from that side of the state. You could sleep in Riverton, or even DuBois for the night, and leave early morning. As far as water.. Im not that familiar with the water situation in Riverton, but much of Wyoming digs wells for water supply. The deeper you dig, generally the better the water. I believe the going rate is around 10gs for the average well. Then you aren’t dependent on city water. Ideally one would have both. Riverton is a nice pretty area. The Native Reservation surrounds the place. Head towards Dubois and Jackson, and the fishing is great. As is the wind river area the other way over out of Shoshone. I would think buying a home there would be a great investment. Seems over where I’m at and other areas I know of, The values just seem to keep going up and up and up. More and more out of state people are buying here, and after Covid and the riots, people really decided they didn’t like living where they are at, or at least want the option of leaving their state if needed. Also there’s no state tax. So know of many people from California that bought a home here, and even though they aren’t really being truthful, claim to be a resident here, so they don’t have to pay the crazy taxes where they at. Check out the star valley area sometime. I think you would enjoy that area even more. It is more expensive as far as land… but is really about the most beautiful part of the state in my opinion. Let me know if ya head that way, I’d be happy to show ya around the area.
@dwightchaos9449 Greetings Dewight !... I am plain Hard Headed... as I mentioned earlier about being Born and Raised in Worland, and the last 5 hours of Hell I went through getting to Riverton, today... 07-17-2023, I texted the Real Estate agent I went back to see last year about just getting 3.39 acres of land,placing a Camp trailer on it and live in it from like April to October!.. that pass you talked about is new to me,as b4 there was the old Teton pass, made up of "Swith-Backs", and there was a bridge that was at Wilson that my Father helped build and it's gone now due to an Alalance, and you being a Snow Plower guy, there was one of those HUGE Snowplows wiped out/ the Driver killed ! That no longer bridge was completed in 1957 I think, my Father had me at 7 yrs. Old cross a 2ft. Wide beam to get ALL the way across the Snake River ! I was SCARED Then !! But, if I do get that 3.39 acres 1 1/2 mile out of Riverton, reckon we can talk about things over some coffee !!! TYVM for your reply, this Washington state has just gone NUTS, Killings in Seattle/Tacoma area DAILY..etc. I might be 73 yrs. Old, but it's getting Harder to live in this state day by day... I look forward to chatting with YOU over some coffee ...hopefully soon !!! Stay SAFE,!!
driven semi for years across all parts of Wyoming and seen all these names on signs for towns, parks, rivers, mountains, etc… its so cool to hear the history behind all the names.. thanks!
sams, this is really good. i am enjoying it and passing it on. keep up the good work totally interesting. a great way to fight a war. nixon vs. ho chi min.
Chief Washakie was known for too many good things to list here that he did for his people and the U.S. But this story was one I didn't know about. He was a true Chief and great leader.
This was a very interesting story, very well told. Have read everything I can get my hands on about the old west and native american history in particular. Have never read much details about this event, though.
I grew up in Wisconsin… But been living in Wyoming now for over 25 years.. I had never heard of “water rights” until I moved here. It was still a hotbed topic between the locals. Especially the snake river area Wy and Idaho. Also the North Platte area and Colorado If I remember right. But yeah, I had many people talk voting back then when it was more of a thing you didn’t do. But not for who, but for the water rights. In reality though, I don’t believe tribes even knew of thing called “water rights”. 🤣
@@dwightchaos9449 i read that when the government was trying to clear the Indians out of the Ohio valley to take away their land, they first sent soldiers in, but they had so much acreage under cultivation, after awhile they found it easier to just ruin their crops. The tribes had huge swaths of land they had grew on for many generations, and if the tribe upstream tried to use up all the creek, it was time for another battle.
I used to travel from Jackson to Casper regularly for years.. So I would drive by that butte thousands of times. I always heard they met on top of the mountain also… 😂 I always wondered if what I was told was true. That’s why I just looked this up. I used to get warnings of going through that area also. I was told to never pull over for a broke down car in the middle of the night in between the Pavilion cut to the highway and Dubois. It was how the Natives in the area would Rob people. There’s a huge Wind River Rez right there. I also used to stop at a little tiny bar in that area with a metal door. It had one of them slide things that would open so the owner could take a look at you and decide to let ya in or not. The owner personally showed me bullet holes, shotgun blasts, in the door and the bar from drunk Natives that he would refuse service after hours from. I had also noticed he had a shotgun himself behind the bar.. I also use to Deep root feed those spruce trees in front of the crowheart school for free. It’s been awhile, but they were like 4” tall at the time. In the late 90s, early 00s we would regularly stop and get drinks to go through the drive throughs. Bloody Mary’s usually… but strong as fuk!
I live here in Wyoming. I know Sam Lightner. I'm watching this wondering what tales will be told a century hence about the White Tribe being driven from their land.
When you consider the exact location and even the year it occurred is in question you begin to realize the short comings with oral history. Indians just like whites want to always appear to have acted and behaved better than they actually did. The individual combat probably happened. The details are questionable, and each tribe has their own spin on it.
A few travelers are poisoning the water with human pollution, when you have millions of bison running around. This is the most preposterous and ridiculous thing I've heard yet.
I read that the enormous wildebeest herds migrating through Africa every year are nothing compared to the size and range of buffalo that used to be here.
I'm sorry you feel that way, but that was the case in streams all over the world in that time. It's arguable that it gave rise to the drinking of tea in Europe, as people drank boiled water and it gave flavor to the boiled water. As far as human waste, there was more of it in northeastern United States rivers in the 1800's than there is now. Human waste has always been with us. When we congregate, the amount gets beyond what we can handle without "systems." Following the same path up the Platte and then Up the Sweetwater and then down the Big Sandy created a human waste problem over the years. That is a fact, not an opinion.
@@wyominghistorychannel1361 I’m not trying to doubt your knowledge on this… as I remember reading that why many people and areas drank beer. It was better than the water. Anyways, I live and travel throughout this area… and even now I couldn’t imagine having enough people around to mess up all the mountain streams and rivers. 😂 Maybe from cattle? As I’ve always heard you had to watch that. I do know areas currently where you can still drink the water from the stream if you go high enough, or natural springs.. and not the stinky good for ya kind. I actually can’t stand that smell. Thermopolis is a town I hate driving through. But anyways.. There is still areas where you can drink the stream water. With that being said… I still remember driving over bridges where it would say like “poison creek” and stuff. 😂
I was Born and Raised in Worland, Wyoming, my parents and I left Jackson Hole in 1959 and now as I have no Relatives left, I am coming back to Wyoming to hopefully buy a place somewhere from Worland to Lander and my Father told me about this battle of the Shoshone and Crow Chiefs having this occurrence but not to the IN DEPTH way that You Sir has described this Historical Event !
You got me VERY Interested More in the History of Wyoming !!! Therefore I Subscribed to get More of Your EXEMPLARY , FANTASTIC ,and INTERESTING History Lessons !!! THANK YOU Ever So Much !
You have a New FAN !!!
I love messages like this. It really makes the work worth it. Thank you.
Y’all should have never left Jackson. You’d be millionaires. Not that you’d want to live there currently. Traffic is crazy at different times of the year, too many people that don’t live here full time want to determine how those that have been living here live. Just saying it would have been a great move as far as your family is concerned.
I’ve been living in the Jackson/Alpine area for the last 25+ years. Beautiful place. Winters can be brutal, but I really think it’s the one of the most amazing and beautiful places in the entire world. Great fishing, hunting, out door activities if you are into that.. not sure if you’ve been to worland area much or lately.. but I’d grab land south of Jackson before Worland. But I grew up in Wisconsin. So I need more greenish land,rivers, lakes and so on. To me, Worland is kinda ugly and just alot of sagebrush plains.
@dwightchaos9449 I went on a Road Trip to buy a house in Riverton, Wyoming last November 8th, after driving in the DARK on the last 5 hours until I arrived at Riverton, my GPS put me coming into Wyoming at that Pass North of Jackson Hole, was a COMPLETE WHITEOUT BLIZZARD, almost ran into 3 Mule Deer, and if I hadn't been Nodding off due to Exaustion and being on the Wrong side of the road, I would have ran into a herd of ELK !! also while Nodding off/ being on the Wrong side of the road, I hit a Road marker with my Driver's side mirror that just knocked off a 1/2 inch of ICE... ran off the Road 3 times... good thing there are no ditches, just the Road slopes off, and I just drove back onto the Road all the while in 4 wheel drive... I did arrive at Riverton at 0100hrs, 1:00 am..was 24F !.. I searched Numerous homes with a REAL Estate agent, was gonna put $2,000.00 for Earnest money on a place, but the people wouldn't work with me, I LOVED the area, BUT, the City water tasted Terrible, got to looking around about the water supply compared to SW Washington state where I live, and decided that part was a more important factor, so with my tail between my hind legs I came back to COMMUNISTIC Washington state... and being 73 years OLD, and doing this move all by myself, having COPD,... the Water along with my not breathing as well I came home. I live on 14 1/2 acres of woods in the Wilderness where my closest neighbor is OVER a Half mile Down the hill, through the trees as I live on Top of the hill, with Corporate Timberland bordering my upper pasture fence line so there will Never BE ANY neighbors behind me.
I LOVE that Riverton area.. I TRULY HATE MYSELF for not buying a place there, but... the WATER was the MAJOR Factor. If I can, after August, I am saving my money to buy a small place in Wyoming to have something to live at during the Spring-Autumn months, becoming one of those " Snow-Birds" Tin-Horns !!! I just have a drive in me to go back to Wyoming !!! and I AGREE with You on Worland being just sagebrush and dirt !!! I went there. Thanks for the feedback !!! GOD BLESS YOU and YOURS !!!
@@cruisin682002 wow.. sorry to hear ya had that awful of trip.. That pass you are talking about is called Towgotee pass. Even if in 4 wheel drive, in a pickup truck, it’s a hairy drive when in ice and snow. One really needs to have sandbags in the back for traction. We also always warn of driving passes alone at night in winter conditions. We might not have ditches, but some parts of the road could have you dropping down 100 ft into a river or marsh. After a bit of snow, you wouldn’t be noticed until it was too late. We also usually always carry extra water, blankets, food just in case of similar situations. I snowplow in the winter time so am very experienced with driving n all sorts of winter conditions. The grade or steepness of the mountain roads is a huge factor also. Take all that into effect, add huge wildlife possibly on the road, and I would make sure to always take that trip in the day time. When heading to Jackson, you have to take that pass to get there from that side of the state. You could sleep in Riverton, or even DuBois for the night, and leave early morning.
As far as water.. Im not that familiar with the water situation in Riverton, but much of Wyoming digs wells for water supply. The deeper you dig, generally the better the water.
I believe the going rate is around 10gs for the average well. Then you aren’t dependent on city water. Ideally one would have both.
Riverton is a nice pretty area. The Native Reservation surrounds the place. Head towards Dubois and Jackson, and the fishing is great. As is the wind river area the other way over out of Shoshone.
I would think buying a home there would be a great investment. Seems over where I’m at and other areas I know of, The values just seem to keep going up and up and up. More and more out of state people are buying here, and after Covid and the riots, people really decided they didn’t like living where they are at, or at least want the option of leaving their state if needed. Also there’s no state tax. So know of many people from California that bought a home here, and even though they aren’t really being truthful, claim to be a resident here, so they don’t have to pay the crazy taxes where they at. Check out the star valley area sometime. I think you would enjoy that area even more. It is more expensive as far as land… but is really about the most beautiful part of the state in my opinion. Let me know if ya head that way, I’d be happy to show ya around the area.
@dwightchaos9449 Greetings Dewight !... I am plain Hard Headed... as I mentioned earlier about being Born and Raised in Worland, and the last 5 hours of Hell I went through getting to Riverton, today... 07-17-2023, I texted the Real Estate agent I went back to see last year about just getting 3.39 acres of land,placing a Camp trailer on it and live in it from like April to October!.. that pass you talked about is new to me,as b4 there was the old Teton pass, made up of "Swith-Backs", and there was a bridge that was at Wilson that my Father helped build and it's gone now due to an Alalance, and you being a Snow Plower guy, there was one of those HUGE Snowplows wiped out/ the Driver killed ! That no longer bridge was completed in 1957 I think, my Father had me at 7 yrs. Old cross a 2ft. Wide beam to get ALL the way across the Snake River ! I was SCARED Then !! But, if I do get that 3.39 acres 1 1/2 mile out of Riverton, reckon we can talk about things over some coffee !!! TYVM for your reply, this Washington state has just gone NUTS, Killings in Seattle/Tacoma area DAILY..etc. I might be 73 yrs. Old, but it's getting Harder to live in this state day by day... I look forward to chatting with YOU over some coffee ...hopefully soon !!! Stay SAFE,!!
Thank you for this work.
driven semi for years across all parts of Wyoming and seen all these names on signs for towns, parks, rivers, mountains, etc… its so cool to hear the history behind all the names.. thanks!
THANKYOU!!
I really enjoyed your video and will watch the rest!!
Glad I watched this video. I spent my boyhood years in Wyoming but did not know this history. Interesting.
This was a fantastic video !
Well done. Thank you.
sams, this is really good. i am enjoying it and passing it on. keep up the good work
totally interesting. a great way to fight a war. nixon vs. ho chi min.
love the way you tell the story, and it was fascinating.
Chief Washakie was known for too many good things to list here that he did for his people and the U.S. But this story was one I didn't know about. He was a true Chief and great leader.
Love the excitement. You obviously feel it.
This was a very interesting story, very well told. Have read everything I can get my hands on about the old west and native american history in particular. Have never read much details about this event, though.
That was an incredible story. Thank you.
Very interesting very entertaining thank you
Great listen! Enjoying all the videos for sure! Subscribed.
On page one of our Water Treatment Plant Operator college book, it said many of the wars between tribes were over water rights.
I grew up in Wisconsin…
But been living in Wyoming now for over 25 years.. I had never heard of “water rights” until I moved here. It was still a hotbed topic between the locals. Especially the snake river area Wy and Idaho. Also the North Platte area and Colorado If I remember right. But yeah, I had many people talk voting back then when it was more of a thing you didn’t do. But not for who, but for the water rights. In reality though, I don’t believe tribes even knew of thing called “water rights”. 🤣
@@dwightchaos9449 i read that when the government was trying to clear the Indians out of the Ohio valley to take away their land, they first sent soldiers in, but they had so much acreage under cultivation, after awhile they found it easier to just ruin their crops. The tribes had huge swaths of land they had grew on for many generations, and if the tribe upstream tried to use up all the creek, it was time for another battle.
Great story. I never did make it to the Wind River, there is just too much to see in Wyoming its almost not fair.
Great history lesson (though I would have appreciated hearing "earmuffs" prior to the apple metaphor). Looking forward to the rest.
Love Wyoming
I used to travel from Jackson to Casper regularly for years.. So I would drive by that butte thousands of times. I always heard they met on top of the mountain also… 😂 I always wondered if what I was told was true. That’s why I just looked this up. I used to get warnings of going through that area also. I was told to never pull over for a broke down car in the middle of the night in between the Pavilion cut to the highway and Dubois. It was how the Natives in the area would Rob people. There’s a huge Wind River Rez right there.
I also used to stop at a little tiny bar in that area with a metal door. It had one of them slide things that would open so the owner could take a look at you and decide to let ya in or not. The owner personally showed me bullet holes, shotgun blasts, in the door and the bar from drunk Natives that he would refuse service after hours from. I had also noticed he had a shotgun himself behind the bar..
I also use to Deep root feed those spruce trees in front of the crowheart school for free. It’s been awhile, but they were like 4” tall at the time.
In the late 90s, early 00s we would regularly stop and get drinks to go through the drive throughs. Bloody Mary’s usually… but strong as fuk!
I live here in Wyoming. I know Sam Lightner. I'm watching this wondering what tales will be told a century hence about the White Tribe being driven from their land.
Nothing is forever....'cept taxes.
@@wyominghistorychannel1361 Well, there's also death. But that's not something most people want to think about.
When you consider the exact location and even the year it occurred is in question you begin to realize the short comings with oral history. Indians just like whites want to always appear to have acted and behaved better than they actually did. The individual combat probably happened. The details are questionable, and each tribe has their own spin on it.
A few travelers are poisoning the water with human pollution, when you have millions of bison running around.
This is the most preposterous and ridiculous thing I've heard yet.
Humans can get things like giardia from other animals, but they get cholera from other humans.
I read that the enormous wildebeest herds migrating through Africa every year are nothing compared to the size and range of buffalo that used to be here.
Human pollution in 1850???????? You just lost any credibility you may have had with that stupid statement.
I'm sorry you feel that way, but that was the case in streams all over the world in that time. It's arguable that it gave rise to the drinking of tea in Europe, as people drank boiled water and it gave flavor to the boiled water. As far as human waste, there was more of it in northeastern United States rivers in the 1800's than there is now. Human waste has always been with us. When we congregate, the amount gets beyond what we can handle without "systems." Following the same path up the Platte and then Up the Sweetwater and then down the Big Sandy created a human waste problem over the years. That is a fact, not an opinion.
@@wyominghistorychannel1361 also why beer, ale, mead and all others sorts of fermented beverages were safer to drink in medieval cities
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I’m not trying to doubt your knowledge on this… as I remember reading that why many people and areas drank beer. It was better than the water.
Anyways, I live and travel throughout this area… and even now I couldn’t imagine having enough people around to mess up all the mountain streams and rivers. 😂 Maybe from cattle? As I’ve always heard you had to watch that. I do know areas currently where you can still drink the water from the stream if you go high enough, or natural springs.. and not the stinky good for ya kind. I actually can’t stand that smell. Thermopolis is a town I hate driving through.
But anyways.. There is still areas where you can drink the stream water. With that being said… I still remember driving over bridges where it would say like “poison creek” and stuff. 😂
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