So i edit and color film - I've listend to both parties - 1. matching camera's is not easy - most editors cant do it 2. editing is super time consuming and its more than cutting footage 3. If someone works for you and they dont own part of the company - they shouldn't have to ask for their money
Hynaken said on another podcast math told him to not come back space ghost said math owed him money and he's not going to beg for it.. this is math second set of co host to leave
Imagine on payday your employer tells you "hey man I got a family" 🤣🤣 Dude has such low self-awareness that he said that publicly LOUDLY AND PROUDLY smh
Flip bein honest but him having to spend the money on his fam ain’t a good excuse. Everybody got something to take care of. Your lifestyle is all on you. Pay what you owe folks.
because he's a grimey nigga. when you run a business and I know this I have family who have one you have to pay the employees before you get paid that's how you lose workers and get a bad reputation about your business. because at the end of the day those employees have families as well your family is no more important that their , your family is only important to you. this why dj vlad you see is by himself he may have 2 other ppl interviewing he pays for the camera ppl and production .
Facts I couldn’t Say It Any Better than This. Then to go on this Live to say Sp8 was my guy and Flip said I had love for him and not know his real name wtf
Esso said they was paid but I guess they think they was underpaid. But in math defense there are a bunch of co hosts and only esso and hynaken the ones that be engaging
Nobody knew them Math was doing good before them Bigga still there Math put them in position to make there own bread it’s always been Math show there not entitled to anything and I believe Math paid them and tried too they probably wanted more but Math is still on the come up and he can’t feed everyone there supposed to have there own income there grown men who supposedly been in the industry making money
In what world are people supposed to work for free? Math keeps saying people are pocket watching, but if someone is contributing as much as Sp8 was to your show and they see you bringing in money from something they have helped you build, they are going to pay attention. That’s not pocket watching, that’s business. Sp8 was filming the whole show, and editing all the footage. That’s a lot of work for one person. It takes hours on top of hours to edit, sometimes days. He was producing your whole show. He deserves a nice cut. That Derrick Rose interview proves how vital production is. The quality is very poor compared to what we were getting before. Sp8 holding out on the equipment is just business. He has not been fully compensated for the work he has put in. I hear you talking about a contract, but contracts work both ways. Math has to hold up his end too. People like to talk like they’re a boss, but it costs to be a boss. Part of that cost is paying people. I agree that Sp8 could have communicated better. But I’m not buying this victim role y’all are trying to sell.
Facts..was Sp8 the 1 doin the VR wit the camera? I prefer the regular view but it was still super dope. I gotta watch the full D Rose episode when it drops cuz I'm from South Side of Chicago but I'm unsubscribed til further notice
Communication is business! Smh, Sp8ce didn't communicate that he wanted a bigger portion & overworked, instead he ghosted like a jitted female. He should have been able to negotiate a new contract that gives him more of a profit-share and/or perhaps employees under his supervision to further the production value. SIMPLE.
Most important part of being The Boss is SACRIFICE!! Being a real boss means everyone else eats first and you eat LAST!! You may end up eating the biggest portion in the end but your team gotta get theirs off top… and sometimes being the boss means you dont get to eat at all but thats a penalty of leadership & choosing to be responsible for other’s livelihood.
Exactly as a business owner your business might be in the red for 3/4 of the year …but that don’t mean you don’t pay your employees, they get paid weekly and everytime they show up, blk business doesn’t work out only because we aren’t good businessmen but we can be and do better
So, if spaceghost put all that work in and never got paid and flip saying he feel bad and he didn’t have it then, does he have it now? If so, pay him!!
Exactly, how you not gone pay that man, but gone say you acquiring more and more for your family. That like saying F this nikka, I’m slaving him out. Y’all both took advantage of that brother, and turned a good guy bad.
@@pauljones364 yeah I’m getting the strap lol they lucky space a hood nigga cause I would of got my money one way or the other and no one could blame me, short changing someone is one thing but to not pay at all!!???? Nah that’s brazen and you asking for a gun battle
Spaceghost need to answer a txt or make a call if Flip & Hoffa tellin the truth which I believe they are. Anyone heard from Spaceghost? NOPE. He introverted and timid.. closed mouths never get fed
@@Krem_82 clown. Space already said Math wasn’t paying him. And he understood he didnt have the money when the show started. Math running around saying he lost $6000. Doesn’t make any sense. Even joe said they need to pay him.
they complain about how record labels pimp artist when it comes to money but they mimic the same behavior also by exploiting their employees by not paying them.
Just like the other Podcasts, starts off great good chemistry then they taking off it’s a Hit. Then the brake up because it’s always looks like it’s all agreed upon by fist 🤜 bumps instead of written contracts
RED FLAG #1 - when a black person says "God told me" or "I'm going to leave it in God's hands" but they dont mention God in them contracts - something wrong
I hate to say it but I knew one day this would happen. When I first started watching the podcast I always wondered how was math going to spilt the bad amongst everyone when he has at least 7 co host and how everyone would get their proper compensation. Wayyy too many cohost but it’s an amazing show
Too many chefs in the kitchen spoil the meal.. and too many hands in the pot leaves you still feeling hungry. Misfit was the very first co-host on Hoffa's podcast.. and he slowly fazed her out for these other opinionated niccas.. and I bet she never seen a single dime. Math Hoffa aint NEVER been loyal to NOBODY.. just ask Hollow da Don
This The First time Somebody Admitted to not paying a person that put hours in. And turn around and say what do I have to do with this. Flip acting like he didn't have a family that's crazy
Bro…that’s how it goes when you’re an entrepreneur. You think it’s immediate? Space knew. You think flip making a killing off this shit yet? Hell no! If you believe in your man, you stick it out and keep a 9 to 5 until shit pops. You don’t not honor your word, or avoid confrontation then pull a bitch move. THAT is crazy.
@@ILLiteSociety I like Flip but who’s gonna work for 3 years for free? And Flip said his skit money went to his family which is understandable but again who works for free ?
@@vi1677 so you don’t get paid for 2 shows and u come to someone show talking cray, did Math Hoffa agreed with them because they can say whatever they want and first thing you do is calling math Hoffa e solve it like a man better than coming to UA-cam clout chasing
damn....such a shame...Bimmy was just on a Math Hoffa episode mentioning he hopes the show and team keep it together.....I love the show hopefully all will work out for the best
Actually fit left cause knowledge got kicked off the show for doing sucka shit lol and Esso and Hynaken were wild useless show will be much ounce it's settles ..I like Bigga and Mecca
I really hate that this happened because the chemistry amongst you all is unmatched. I hope you all work it out. Esso and the older wise guy are my favs. Esso is animated and funny at times. He is an important element to the show
He should've dropped Corny ass Mr. Know-it-All Mecca instead dropping Esso and Heineken. Dude be sitting there like a stuck up broad. He's the prime example of why other rappers from other regions are not respected from NY rappers.
that's not how business works - COME GET YOUR MONEY - is not something your job tells you on Friday - COME GET YOUR MONEY - sounds like he wasnt being paid for a long time - you was using his labor to leverage yourself into a situation - then you decided not that you have an offer - you want to pay so you dont have to go to court over the footage - cuz im sure SP8 Ghost has the master footage since he was the editor
I rocks with math heavy 😎 but I have a deep feeling that he not telling the truth . alot of brothers do shit like that when they feel they are the face of things.
You hit the nail on the head young OG, our people when they get in these positions feel like folks should just be glad to be there and take whatever they're "given" when they feel like "giving".
Look back at the Ceasar episode him an hynaken have a convo about him starting his own show that's an alley oop right there. Plus esso an hynaken have a show that get 600- 1k views they wasn't getting network offers with that.
@@barboah7317 I stopped watching when they left. And I was watching their show a while and im not feeling there's either they should of stayed together. If I had to choose 1 it would be Joe's but I'm good on both
@@barboah7317 you hit it on head. You will see if folks elevate based off what they think they brought to the show. Mal and Rory got a deal based off their fan base so I’m interested to see what the guys who left do
The fellas said u disrespected them and told them they weren't needed so why is Math acting like he has no idea why any of this is happening. It's fucked up cuz they had a great thing going.
@@shantamonique possibly. Bagfeul isnt doing much numbers under 10k average leaving from a show that does millions. This won't be the first time someone has fabricated a Storyline to sell their next venture. Plus lip service means zero. If they have reciepts it can be proven but without that its 🧢
When you dont bring any external value of your own then you are expendable to some extent. Fans just get use to they know but will adjust to whats new if they come to enjoy it.
@@jhova187 no one got paid at all including flip . They all agreed to come together to build something. Spaceghost knew payment wasnt guaranteed if profit weren't made
Math the type of homie he keeps friends that lower than him on purpose but never wants to excel and everything is good he’ll give them alittle money but they gotta know there place
That's dumb because he's the bag Gillie and them just got a multi million dollar deal now if he get the money that's it math still has branded him self to make millions dumb move..
I think you missed the point. Flip wasn't making any profit on the pods of which boy knew from the beginning. If he wanted to get paid he could've left any time
@@nasirphilly3906 it doesn't seem so. Flip said ghost wanted to be paid from flipz skits. That wouldn't make sense. You can't agree to work for free than get mad you aint get paid. Aint like they had a contract stating he would get x amount and didn't
By far my favorite podcast but GODDAMN I was hoping everyone would stick together and grow and build until a network came in, sponsored them, so that EVERYONE can get a consistent, steady check, but damn, the reality is, it’s hard to break bread with that many people on the panel, and everyone feels like they deserve a certain amount, which may not always be possible. Oh well, hope they continue to put out great content, I don’t know if the original audio guy left cause the sound quality on the D Rose interview makes it hard to listen to, but I’ll still support the show no matter what. Salute Math!
Definitely a lot people on the panel. If i owned a network, I wouldn't wanna pay all them either. The main one I would want is HOFFA and if he chooses to break them guys off then that's his decision but I'm only paying for HOFFA. Nothing against the rest of the fellas
@@orlandomolina940 it's a lot that goes into production fam. Way more than 1 man putn in work. Those guys not only ask questions but give Math questions to ask guest. Technically, that's called being a writer. Writers get paid fam. Cameramen & Editors get paid.
This is just something that I use to notice (Math would cut Esso off in the middle of his questions to the guest) - or change the subject soon as Esso ask a question - anybody else noticed that?
Math Hoffa switches up his roster more than the Knicks. That should tell you everything about this situation. Math is likeable but it gets tricky when you have to cut the checks and you’ve never cut checks.
Y’all podders need some management in place because it seems like ALL of y’all are horrible to do business with 🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️. Being a boss isn’t easy it’s more than a title
Im taking business courses now .. To help prevent some of the unnecessary B.S of Negotiating bizness ... I understand not all business is gonna go over smooth nd gravy .. But you have to be savy wit it... To help avoid the ish like this.
There’s always Three Sides to the Story. His side, there side and the Truth. In all business relationships are Transactional meaning everyone is there to fulfill there agreed upon positions. These agreements have an understanding on both sides that needs to be expected from the start. Contractural services needs to be paid when it’s due. Not when you guys feel like it. That’s bad business practices on Math and Flip.
“Success has a very awkward affect on not only you, but the people around you.” - Math That’s fact. I watched the SP8, Esso and Hyn interview and something smelled off about their narrative. I personally like Esso, but noticed Hyn was in his feeling on that Yayo episode. SP8 using tactics that bring severe repercussions.
As a fan watching and just off the surface , the narrative he put out makes the casual fan believe math did some grimey shit but after seeing this conversation shit makes sense & math ain’t the bad guy .. grown men should be able to talk before running to the internet & creating narratives & tryna extort people.
Of course the guys who have been on HOFFA show are gonna want to be compensated in some way. I always wondered when HOFFA got the bag, how were the guys gonna feel or feel what they thought they should get if they should get anything
Damn man this is one of my favorite shows. I hope it’s not coming to an end. I hope these brothers can work it out if possible. We already experienced the breakup of Joe with Rory and Mal. I was really happy with Hoffa show.
Hold up, Math went on Queenzflip interrogation room to interrogate Queenzflip after the Jihadi fight and met Sp8 Ghost. Next thing, they started working together without Flip's knowledge or blessing. Editing is no simple task. You got to piece language and pictures together. Just like how a battle rapper uses body, cadence and lyrics to paint pictures
@@TimPace3 ok, i could be wrong but, during the lockdown- flip and math had an i.g live. Flip appeared shocked at how sp8 and math linked up- was revealed that Jenna put them together. Don't quote e lol i could be wrong as to the source of information
@Mickey St James naa, Flip put Math and Jenna on the phone together during one of his shows. Jenna had revealed to Flip that she liked him during prior convo
@@idk4778 what if math is lying? For 3 dudes to walk, 2 personalities and 1 producer that’s fucking a sign as he has a habitual issue with paying people. He made a Joe budden move and it’s sad
I got introduced to both of these guys thru battle rap and I’m proud to see the success but the same way all the battlers felt about Smack underpaying them they should’ve been on top of the business period!! You have to pay the ppl that’s keeping the ball rolling no excuses!
Why these two guys took advantage of the crew(Math) but Flip and Math treated Sp8 Ghost the same way, just pay 💰 him whenever they wanted to?? That Bothers Me. Then the audacity to go live looking for some justification for how they treated Sp8…Shame on Them, Total Disrespect
Editing and filming is a lot harder than interviewing, editing takes hours and hours, you literally have to film your footage and then watch it over and over and over for perfection, that is a very hard job, but the channel is making money he deserves some of every Check …fair is fair editing is a very hard job it’s a headache 🤕 pay that man and make up 🆙 the last episode looked horrible for potentially the biggest star ever Derrick Rose! Work it out don’t let money divide apologize like men and move on, the show is and was amazing we need more of that quality
Is the equipment worth 100k , probably not, but his work is worth something, editing isn’t an easy job its a skill , an art in and of itself… The show will feel different without the original editor and the co-host … No one works for free .. We the fans dnt know what’s really going on at the end of the day !
Flip @8:45, you're my man but you were wrong... your lifestyle has nothing to do with what you agreed to pay someone. if you agreed, then stick to your word. downgrade your lifestyle if you must. it ain't about what you did in the past or your personality. your word is your word and only you can break that. love
No offense but production and editing work is a big part of a podcast. It’s what the audience sees when they are interested in your brand💯💯💯 I’ve listened to all sides and there’s no way you don’t pay Space jut not the way it’s suppose to go I wish all you brothers success💯💯💯
This is why communication and clarity is key when it comes to business. Dapping it up and coining you my dog when comes to business will always always come to this. Our culture/people needs to do better COMMUNICATION IS KEY 🫶🏾🫶🏾🫶🏾
Don’t let nobody mess with your magnetic energy no one wants to see change growth an development as a man an your showing an proving in real time thank you
At the beginning of the day and at the end of the day it all comes down to proactive communication. Everything sounds like reactive communication across the board
Hoffa you a humble brother. Let God take the wheel. You see false people in you vision clear. You just so humble and refuse to show ignorance. You got my respect Hoffa 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
Flip saying he has to pay for his lifestyle Plus his family First, before he pays the person that's helping you produce the content that provides income in which helps financesthat lifestyle is dirty work
I know if I was a co-host and a show wasnt mine and im getting a name on the show there would be nothing stopping me from starting my own branch off show so if something like this happens my show blows up just off people wanting to hear my side of the story
imagine a company you work for tells you they cant pay you cuz they got bills to pay at home . 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣BRUH wtf?!!
yea
So i edit and color film - I've listend to both parties - 1. matching camera's is not easy - most editors cant do it 2. editing is super time consuming and its more than cutting footage 3. If someone works for you and they dont own part of the company - they shouldn't have to ask for their money
Bingo 💯💪🏿 we got action I was saying and thinking the same thing
People are insane to think someone should work tirelessly for free. In what world does that happen ?
Hynaken said on another podcast math told him to not come back space ghost said math owed him money and he's not going to beg for it.. this is math second set of co host to leave
@@Mon-zw4ui I’m gonna have to start reading books again because TV is trash podcasts have horrible business practices and I’m sick of it all 😩😩😩
That's a fact💯. I seen the d.rose show and it sounds nothing like b4.
Imagine on payday your employer tells you "hey man I got a family" 🤣🤣
Dude has such low self-awareness that he said that publicly LOUDLY AND PROUDLY smh
Lmao
Yea he trippin, we all got a family but look out for the people around you also. If he got some good people around him still I'll watch
Did he agree to work pro bono or didn’t he?
The crazy part about it is that this why everybody left flip for being a slow and not caring about the next person
@@PapaTrice360 Has SoaceGhost spoke about it? I haven’t heard his side of this story, can’t find anything online. Just tweets etc.
Flip like “This 3 story condo in NEW YORK is a part of my overhead!” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Damn lol 😆
he never said he owned it ... for all we know he might be renting it dont just assume
Flip is a stingy clown.. I think math is more organic
@@bbnyc3753 How? You sound dumb Flip has helped out more people than you have and that’s facts
For flip the house
That DRose audio was absolutely horrible!
It was
The man took the equipment
Yo deadass I was wondering why that interview was so trash compared to others. How you gonna get arguably your biggest guess and use that audio 😂😂😂😂
Word I thought I was bugging. Them taking the equipment makes sense
@@ThatAnimeGamer your not bugging the man who took the equipment was like Math can’t buy more equipment
Flip bein honest but him having to spend the money on his fam ain’t a good excuse. Everybody got something to take care of. Your lifestyle is all on you. Pay what you owe folks.
That ninja crazy......i gotta pay my family first...what bout,stop livin above ya means...pay ya bills 1st
Superfacts
No he’s the one with the business ..and he did right
because he's a grimey nigga. when you run a business and I know this I have family who have one you have to pay the employees before you get paid that's how you lose workers and get a bad reputation about your business. because at the end of the day those employees have families as well your family is no more important that their , your family is only important to you. this why dj vlad you see is by himself he may have 2 other ppl interviewing he pays for the camera ppl and production .
I think podcast money and skit money are two different things since space was filming it that’s just the money he should focus on tho
We appreciated hynaken, esso, and bigga. How do you not pay a man for their time is beyond me. Especially it being your peoples.
Facts I couldn’t Say It Any Better than This. Then to go on this Live to say Sp8 was my guy and Flip said I had love for him and not know his real name wtf
They see more dollar signs than they ever have and get greedy 🤦🏾♀️
Esso said they was paid but I guess they think they was underpaid. But in math defense there are a bunch of co hosts and only esso and hynaken the ones that be engaging
Nobody knew them Math was doing good before them Bigga still there Math put them in position to make there own bread it’s always been Math show there not entitled to anything and I believe Math paid them and tried too they probably wanted more but Math is still on the come up and he can’t feed everyone there supposed to have there own income there grown men who supposedly been in the industry making money
@@anthonymiller8107 ESSO said Math owe him and hynaken $$$ for 2 shows.
In what world are people supposed to work for free? Math keeps saying people are pocket watching, but if someone is contributing as much as Sp8 was to your show and they see you bringing in money from something they have helped you build, they are going to pay attention. That’s not pocket watching, that’s business. Sp8 was filming the whole show, and editing all the footage. That’s a lot of work for one person. It takes hours on top of hours to edit, sometimes days. He was producing your whole show. He deserves a nice cut. That Derrick Rose interview proves how vital production is. The quality is very poor compared to what we were getting before. Sp8 holding out on the equipment is just business. He has not been fully compensated for the work he has put in. I hear you talking about a contract, but contracts work both ways. Math has to hold up his end too. People like to talk like they’re a boss, but it costs to be a boss. Part of that cost is paying people. I agree that Sp8 could have communicated better. But I’m not buying this victim role y’all are trying to sell.
Right both of them are delusional
Buggin Derrick rose jawn fire I need to see da rest of that pronto!!
Facts..was Sp8 the 1 doin the VR wit the camera? I prefer the regular view but it was still super dope. I gotta watch the full D Rose episode when it drops cuz I'm from South Side of Chicago but I'm unsubscribed til further notice
@@ChunkNorristv the audio makes it hard to enjoy bro I’m not gone lie
Communication is business! Smh, Sp8ce didn't communicate that he wanted a bigger portion & overworked, instead he ghosted like a jitted female. He should have been able to negotiate a new contract that gives him more of a profit-share and/or perhaps employees under his supervision to further the production value. SIMPLE.
Most important part of being The Boss is SACRIFICE!! Being a real boss means everyone else eats first and you eat LAST!! You may end up eating the biggest portion in the end but your team gotta get theirs off top… and sometimes being the boss means you dont get to eat at all but thats a penalty of leadership & choosing to be responsible for other’s livelihood.
Exactly as a business owner your business might be in the red for 3/4 of the year …but that don’t mean you don’t pay your employees, they get paid weekly and everytime they show up, blk business doesn’t work out only because we aren’t good businessmen but we can be and do better
Exactly, Pimps eat first and don’t understand why you won’t keep working for free
if there’s one guy you pay it’s the cameraman/editer
He the most important guy
Is this the second time Space got kicked to the curb after helping someone blow up?
@@faywhite7886 yep
Feeling betrayed by dudes u weren’t giving fair compensation to is insane
Lol
That part
Do you know what hes making or paying them to say what's fair? I think not
@@mitchy2311 flip said he didn’t pay him at all lol
@@mrwriter1021 how could he , he said he was just getting paid for skits he wasn’t paying them for skits that was Pennies
So, if spaceghost put all that work in and never got paid and flip saying he feel bad and he didn’t have it then, does he have it now? If so, pay him!!
Exactly, how you not gone pay that man, but gone say you acquiring more and more for your family. That like saying F this nikka, I’m slaving him out. Y’all both took advantage of that brother, and turned a good guy bad.
@@pauljones364 yeah I’m getting the strap lol they lucky space a hood nigga cause I would of got my money one way or the other and no one could blame me, short changing someone is one thing but to not pay at all!!???? Nah that’s brazen and you asking for a gun battle
He said he don't want it
Spaceghost need to answer a txt or make a call if Flip & Hoffa tellin the truth which I believe they are. Anyone heard from Spaceghost? NOPE. He introverted and timid.. closed mouths never get fed
@@Krem_82 clown. Space already said Math wasn’t paying him. And he understood he didnt have the money when the show started. Math running around saying he lost $6000. Doesn’t make any sense. Even joe said they need to pay him.
Every podcast I love gets destroyed this way
Black men don’t understand business and are filled with self hate. A bad combo every time.
Money will do it every time
@@kevinsatt6932 nah it’s nigga shit
You can tell Math was gonna act this way when the bag came lmao
🤣funny but true
LOM lol
they complain about how record labels pimp artist when it comes to money but they mimic the same behavior also by exploiting their employees by not paying them.
@@khalilwilliams1818 loyalty over money
Lol in whaat way?
How you not pay your employees? That’s ho shit!
Just like the other Podcasts, starts off great good chemistry then they taking off it’s a Hit. Then the brake up because it’s always looks like it’s all agreed upon by fist 🤜 bumps instead of written contracts
RED FLAG #1 - when a black person says "God told me" or "I'm going to leave it in God's hands" but they dont mention God in them contracts - something wrong
Honor the contracts Math
Based off learning both sides of the story . So far it’s looking like math you gonna end up paying .
I hate to say it but I knew one day this would happen. When I first started watching the podcast I always wondered how was math going to spilt the bad amongst everyone when he has at least 7 co host and how everyone would get their proper compensation. Wayyy too many cohost but it’s an amazing show
That’s the problem I don’t wanna hear seven people we wanna hear math and maybe one more person but too many people in there
It's his show, he can have co hosts but there's one Math. Play your position generate your clout then branch out.
UA-cam needs to stop paying these channels go look for a job niggas fighting over a welfare check
@@edieselentertainment 🎯
Too many chefs in the kitchen spoil the meal.. and too many hands in the pot leaves you still feeling hungry.
Misfit was the very first co-host on Hoffa's podcast.. and he slowly fazed her out for these other opinionated niccas.. and I bet she never seen a single dime.
Math Hoffa aint NEVER been loyal to NOBODY.. just ask Hollow da Don
This The First time Somebody Admitted to not paying a person that put hours in. And turn around and say what do I have to do with this. Flip acting like he didn't have a family that's crazy
Hours and years 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
Bro…that’s how it goes when you’re an entrepreneur. You think it’s immediate? Space knew. You think flip making a killing off this shit yet? Hell no! If you believe in your man, you stick it out and keep a 9 to 5 until shit pops. You don’t not honor your word, or avoid confrontation then pull a bitch move. THAT is crazy.
@@ILLiteSociety Facts
@@ILLiteSociety I like Flip but who’s gonna work for 3 years for free? And Flip said his skit money went to his family which is understandable but again who works for free ?
How You Call Someone Employee’s Without Paying Them ? These Dudes Is Crazy
You have to pay a man for their services..
And who told you that they didn’t get paid
Y’all sound like y’all full of shit pay that Man for his services
@@idk4778 They said it out they own mouth that they didn't get payed for two shows.
@@vi1677 so you don’t get paid for 2 shows and u come to someone show talking cray, did Math Hoffa agreed with them because they can say whatever they want and first thing you do is calling math Hoffa e solve it like a man better than coming to UA-cam clout chasing
But he lost a wallet with 6k 💀💀💀💀
The tony yayo interview did it 😂😂😂😂😂😂
100
I said the same
Y’all didn’t see it before that? Why you say the Yayo interview?
Why u say the Yayo interview?
Why bro
The beginning of this live is legendary they could meme this 😂
Factz shit had me krying
FACT #1 labor is a part of overhead - people are more important than how good your SET looks
Business 101 but they don’t know that though
1000%
THE PRODUCER WAS HELPING TO PAY THE RENT FOR QUEENS FLIP.
damn....such a shame...Bimmy was just on a Math Hoffa episode mentioning he hopes the show and team keep it together.....I love the show hopefully all will work out for the best
Saw that and repeated that in the comments lmao smh
Math got rid of Ms fit and knowledge and now esso and hynaken this is a bad look for him
He lost hollow and Cortez before that. Loyalty is often one sided.
Actually fit left cause knowledge got kicked off the show for doing sucka shit lol and Esso and Hynaken were wild useless show will be much ounce it's settles ..I like Bigga and Mecca
I really hate that this happened because the chemistry amongst you all is unmatched. I hope you all work it out. Esso and the older wise guy are my favs. Esso is animated and funny at times. He is an important element to the show
Esso was a major loss, especially with the Queens talk.
He should've dropped Corny ass Mr. Know-it-All Mecca instead dropping Esso and Heineken. Dude be sitting there like a stuck up broad. He's the prime example of why other rappers from other regions are not respected from NY rappers.
@@greglouch the fact that I don't even remember who Mecca is proves your point 🤣
@@autumn_b905 lol
Mecca is the Corny dude that sits right next to Math with the Glasses & dreds in his head.
They said he said he didn’t need no money because he had a job. Know matter what you should pay someone for their work.
So if math is saying COME GET YOUR MONEY and the person don’t what do you expect math to do? I’ll wait…
that's not how business works - COME GET YOUR MONEY - is not something your job tells you on Friday - COME GET YOUR MONEY - sounds like he wasnt being paid for a long time - you was using his labor to leverage yourself into a situation - then you decided not that you have an offer - you want to pay so you dont have to go to court over the footage - cuz im sure SP8 Ghost has the master footage since he was the editor
I was doing my homies logo for free..he said naw I'm going to pay you like a customer..RNS
@@EthanFram that's a long time to wait for payment..considering he's is the room everytime they record
@@mississippibilly_ yeah but he did the same thing with flip.. it’s a habit at this point.
This is what happens when money comes into play. It was only a matter of time.
The sigh language had me rollin 😂
I rocks with math heavy 😎 but I have a deep feeling that he not telling the truth . alot of brothers do shit like that when they feel they are the face of things.
brandon marshall , joe budden, now math hoffa and every r&b group with a lead singer same recipe every time
exactly
You hit the nail on the head young OG, our people when they get in these positions feel like folks should just be glad to be there and take whatever they're "given" when they feel like "giving".
But this dude SG held his video for 100k to get paid. Math does have a point
Look back at the Ceasar episode him an hynaken have a convo about him starting his own show that's an alley oop right there. Plus esso an hynaken have a show that get 600- 1k views they wasn't getting network offers with that.
Maybe Spaceghost Is Very Important? To Me One Of The Best Parts Of Maths Shows Was It’s High Quality Production , Especially Early On
Editors are a dumb a dozen.
@@mitchy2311 , If You Know The Business Then You Know More Then Me Homie! That’s Why I Typed “Maybe” 💯
The non verbal communication at the beginning 😂😂😂
I read it all lmao funny asl 😂
U”had” 6,000 in a wallet to pay him and lost it? BIG CAP 🧢
Lmao 🤣 homie really played the producer
Lol he looked like he was lying fr
Nah hold up!.. Math? U lost 6k in a wallet u was bout to pay him??? STOP THE 🧢 LOL
Esso and Heineken brought a certain energy to the show that can’t be duplicated
eh
Same thing I thought about Joe budden podcast wit mal and da other dude but shit he good now trust and beleive math will b good 👍...
Esso was good but hynaken was trash
@@barboah7317 I stopped watching when they left. And I was watching their show a while and im not feeling there's either they should of stayed together. If I had to choose 1 it would be Joe's but I'm good on both
@@barboah7317 you hit it on head. You will see if folks elevate based off what they think they brought to the show. Mal and Rory got a deal based off their fan base so I’m interested to see what the guys who left do
If you’re not paying the camera man that’s bad business period.
The fellas said u disrespected them and told them they weren't needed so why is Math acting like he has no idea why any of this is happening. It's fucked up cuz they had a great thing going.
They could be fronting which is most likely,I wouldn't trust Hynaken,Esso and Space..
@@goatsquadtv8786 so they’re ALL lying and math is telling the truth 🧐🧐🧐
@@shantamonique possibly. Bagfeul isnt doing much numbers under 10k average leaving from a show that does millions. This won't be the first time someone has fabricated a Storyline to sell their next venture. Plus lip service means zero. If they have reciepts it can be proven but without that its 🧢
When you dont bring any external value of your own then you are expendable to some extent. Fans just get use to they know but will adjust to whats new if they come to enjoy it.
@@mitchy2311 some of them joints got 600 views
Flip and Math are grimey. Sooner or later they gone show they true colors
For what ?
@@mitchy2311 not paying the dude doing all the actual work
@@jhova187 no one got paid at all including flip . They all agreed to come together to build something. Spaceghost knew payment wasnt guaranteed if profit weren't made
Bosses should act like Bosses. Y'all brothers are lame like the rest.. Respectfully 💯
Math the type of homie he keeps friends that lower than him on purpose but never wants to excel and everything is good he’ll give them alittle money but they gotta know there place
Everyone is not worried about your families, what about their families??????
That's dumb because he's the bag Gillie and them just got a multi million dollar deal now if he get the money that's it math still has branded him self to make millions dumb move..
My opinion
I think you missed the point. Flip wasn't making any profit on the pods of which boy knew from the beginning. If he wanted to get paid he could've left any time
Understandable but was there know extra bread around? Thanks for the input.
@@nasirphilly3906 it doesn't seem so. Flip said ghost wanted to be paid from flipz skits. That wouldn't make sense. You can't agree to work for free than get mad you aint get paid. Aint like they had a contract stating he would get x amount and didn't
By far my favorite podcast but GODDAMN I was hoping everyone would stick together and grow and build until a network came in, sponsored them, so that EVERYONE can get a consistent, steady check, but damn, the reality is, it’s hard to break bread with that many people on the panel, and everyone feels like they deserve a certain amount, which may not always be possible. Oh well, hope they continue to put out great content, I don’t know if the original audio guy left cause the sound quality on the D Rose interview makes it hard to listen to, but I’ll still support the show no matter what. Salute Math!
Definitely a lot people on the panel. If i owned a network, I wouldn't wanna pay all them either. The main one I would want is HOFFA and if he chooses to break them guys off then that's his decision but I'm only paying for HOFFA. Nothing against the rest of the fellas
I was wondering why it sounded like that
@@nailbopbyashlee exactly I think his camera man took his mics as well
@@ez-duz-it he said the guy spaceghost (cameraman) took mics camera etc and tried to extort him for 100k to get them back
@@orlandomolina940 it's a lot that goes into production fam. Way more than 1 man putn in work. Those guys not only ask questions but give Math questions to ask guest. Technically, that's called being a writer. Writers get paid fam. Cameramen & Editors get paid.
The silent communication was funny af 😂
This is just something that I use to notice (Math would cut Esso off in the middle of his questions to the guest) - or change the subject soon as Esso ask a question - anybody else noticed that?
When You See Selfish, Proud Successful Dudes You Know Their Success Isn’t God Brought
Somebody lying… I just know the chemistry was dope wit Esso and hynaken on so MEO def gonna hit different now
I wonder who's lying
@@ayalewdessieabebe I’m a say math is. So many ppl have came and gone off that show
@@bksfinest9582 sooo. The cast was never locked in. It was always an emsemble and wasn't consistent in the earlier days
So basically both of these guys didn't pay their workers smh
This is so sad.. but weird how it became about Sp8 when Math kicked everybody off the show and told him he didn't need them 🤔🤷🏾♀️
Yo what happened ? Did Esso , Heineken, and Space leave the show ?
Y’all sum fools🤣
Had me thinking something was wrong with my audio 🤣
nigga said he got the whip on consignment 😂😂😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 im laughing off the title alone!!
Flip if you want your name clear of the past. Then pay what you owe. Come to an agreement and pay that man.
Math Hoffa switches up his roster more than the Knicks. That should tell you everything about this situation. Math is likeable but it gets tricky when you have to cut the checks and you’ve never cut checks.
Look what Yayo did 🤦🏽♂️😂
Y’all podders need some management in place because it seems like ALL of y’all are horrible to do business with 🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️. Being a boss isn’t easy it’s more than a title
That's exactly why those guys left I Am Athlete to create The Pivot. Brandon Marshall does poor business...
@@RollyFingers Joe Budden too. All of em are horrible businessmen
Im taking business courses now ..
To help prevent some of the unnecessary B.S of Negotiating bizness ...
I understand not all business is gonna go over smooth nd gravy ..
But you have to be savy wit it...
To help avoid the ish like this.
@@stephenkinq5425 that’s a great idea even though some things you have to learn first hand but school gives a basic outline….
There’s always Three Sides to the Story. His side, there side and the Truth. In all business relationships are Transactional meaning everyone is there to fulfill there agreed upon positions. These agreements have an understanding on both sides that needs to be expected from the start. Contractural services needs to be paid when it’s due. Not when you guys feel like it. That’s bad business practices on Math and Flip.
“Success has a very awkward affect on not only you, but the people around you.” - Math
That’s fact. I watched the SP8, Esso and Hyn interview and something smelled off about their narrative. I personally like Esso, but noticed Hyn was in his feeling on that Yayo episode. SP8 using tactics that bring severe repercussions.
Some black men are hard to deal with. It's all me, me, me,me me...... You fellas aren't different from the other's......
As a fan watching and just off the surface , the narrative he put out makes the casual fan believe math did some grimey shit but after seeing this conversation shit makes sense & math ain’t the bad guy .. grown men should be able to talk before running to the internet & creating narratives & tryna extort people.
Of course the guys who have been on HOFFA show are gonna want to be compensated in some way. I always wondered when HOFFA got the bag, how were the guys gonna feel or feel what they thought they should get if they should get anything
There should always be paperwork when going into any startup business. Friends or not. Just to eliminate conversations like this
They each also have their own show
Makes sense why the DRose interview looked and sounded so different.
These fools had me crying with that sign language battle
😂😂😂😂
@@darkcocoakiss what ya toes smellin like tho girl
Lol New York dudes be doing the most cornball subliminal dissing ever.
Outta town niggas do the most hating ever
And here you go spending your time watching ni99as, b/c you all admire us and look up to us. NEXT...
So why you here?
Eat a NY GLIZZY ‼️
@@Langston890 you new yor niggas are so wack besides the 90s niggas you new by niggas are cornball immigrants 🤣🤣🤣
Opening conversation is hilarious 😂😂😂
Oooohh so this is why the sound is so messed up on the drose episode
Yeah the Sound on that D Rose is Horrible
I can’t watch it
Damn man this is one of my favorite shows. I hope it’s not coming to an end. I hope these brothers can work it out if possible. We already experienced the breakup of Joe with Rory and Mal. I was really happy with Hoffa show.
Show ain’t going anywhere just the self entitled weirdos are out the picture!
Show is still going but the audio and visual is 🚮🚮🚮
@@qc9178 I just got through the video. I’m glad it’s still continuing. I didn’t noticed that a few of those guys were already gone.
@@AJ22840 yep, just a part of the journey.. salute!
Same thing happened with Million Dollaz Worth of Game and The Joe Budden Podcast
Not the same at all. MWOFG were actually proven to have done bad business. Joe and math not so much
20:44 oohhhh so THATS why the Derrick Rose interview is like that... damnnnn
Hold up, Math went on Queenzflip interrogation room to interrogate Queenzflip after the Jihadi fight and met Sp8 Ghost. Next thing, they started working together without Flip's knowledge or blessing. Editing is no simple task. You got to piece language and pictures together. Just like how a battle rapper uses body, cadence and lyrics to paint pictures
Flip did know cuz he said in the beginning he gave math his number to use his services
Flip gave the blessing u hear flip say he lined them up..ghost just never told flip
@@TimPace3 ok, i could be wrong but, during the lockdown- flip and math had an i.g live. Flip appeared shocked at how sp8 and math linked up- was revealed that Jenna put them together. Don't quote e lol i could be wrong as to the source of information
@Mickey St James naa, Flip put Math and Jenna on the phone together during one of his shows. Jenna had revealed to Flip that she liked him during prior convo
You Guys are bad for business... Facts 😂💯💯💯 Pay your employees.
Math did pay them they wanted it more it doesn’t work like that
Listen to Math please...
This will def hurt Math
@@idk4778 what if math is lying? For 3 dudes to walk, 2 personalities and 1 producer that’s fucking a sign as he has a habitual issue with paying people. He made a Joe budden move and it’s sad
@@JCMthebrand what if he’s not lying?? He said he didn’t sign any deal with nobody if he signed like they are saying tell them to proof
Math lost a wallet with 6K. No ID’s no credit cards no bank cards nothing ok bruh 🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢.
Lol he could have transferred the money to his bank account.
What a DIZASTER 🤦♂️
I got introduced to both of these guys thru battle rap and I’m proud to see the success but the same way all the battlers felt about Smack underpaying them they should’ve been on top of the business period!! You have to pay the ppl that’s keeping the ball rolling no excuses!
Math closing arguments sounded like he really got his grown man on🤔 ✌🏿 and success 🙌🏾
Money is always the culprit. Hope every one gets it together
Math Budden?
It’s what it’s looking like 🤦🏻♂️ shit is disappointing
Why these two guys took advantage of the crew(Math) but Flip and Math treated Sp8 Ghost the same way, just pay 💰 him whenever they wanted to?? That Bothers Me. Then the audacity to go live looking for some justification for how they treated Sp8…Shame on Them, Total Disrespect
Math followed the path of Joe Budden and Brandon Marshall I see.
Stop talking when you don't know shit
@@theslaken Or what you gonna do about it, weird nigga? Be mad at the screen? Foh
How he was giving hynaken a chance to start his show on a channel with 600k subs.
This is their rebuttals to Poo & Space 😂
Damn first Fit and Knowledge now esso and hynaken 🤦🏾♂️was fuckin wit that combo
Editing and filming is a lot harder than interviewing, editing takes hours and hours, you literally have to film your footage and then watch it over and over and over for perfection, that is a very hard job, but the channel is making money he deserves some of every Check …fair is fair editing is a very hard job it’s a headache 🤕 pay that man and make up 🆙 the last episode looked horrible for potentially the biggest star ever Derrick Rose! Work it out don’t let money divide apologize like men and move on, the show is and was amazing we need more of that quality
Thought flip was jojocapone at first.. but lowkey flip happy as fuck MEO lost a few members,, especially sp8ghost
Is the equipment worth 100k , probably not, but his work is worth something, editing isn’t an easy job its a skill , an art in and of itself… The show will feel different without the original editor and the co-host …
No one works for free ..
We the fans dnt know what’s really going on at the end of the day !
Yeah editors make a lot of money. I wanna see Math edit the show himself
@@5starathlete804 That would be difficult as hell , host and editor shhhhiiiitttt lol !
You can find a good editor everywhere that won’t be too hard
@@sincere7116 so he should be paying his editors because quality of show matters don’t matter how many people you bring you need good optics
@@5starathlete804 Facts … most ppl never edited anything so they may not understand 🤷🏾♂️
Just Pay People! Be fair! Is it they hard for US to do with each other? Damnnnnnn!
Flip @8:45, you're my man but you were wrong... your lifestyle has nothing to do with what you agreed to pay someone. if you agreed, then stick to your word. downgrade your lifestyle if you must. it ain't about what you did in the past or your personality. your word is your word and only you can break that. love
yall niggaz funny with the 2 minute meme skit lmfao
SPACE GONE BLOW UP HES GREAT AT WHAT HE DO THE NEXT PERSON HE PUT THAT CAM ON HE GONE BE RICH OMM
The d rose interview audio and mic quality was horrible. Get homie back asap.
No offense but production and editing work is a big part of a podcast. It’s what the audience sees when they are interested in your brand💯💯💯 I’ve listened to all sides and there’s no way you don’t pay Space jut not the way it’s suppose to go I wish all you brothers success💯💯💯
Imagine Math having a "heartfelt conversation." 😂
I been waitin for this link up once again...my two favorites ....yall gotta do a episode link up again. Long overdue
This is why communication and clarity is key when it comes to business. Dapping it up and coining you my dog when comes to business will always always come to this. Our culture/people needs to do better COMMUNICATION IS KEY 🫶🏾🫶🏾🫶🏾
Don’t let nobody mess with your magnetic energy no one wants to see change growth an development as a man an your showing an proving in real time thank you
This is the funniest start to A Instagram live ever 💀 !
I thought I was the only found that shit HILARIOUS!🤣
Lmao I would’ve assumed the camera man and editor would get payed first 💀
Fix the squad fam. That D Rose episode look crazy
The chairs on My Except Opinion have been musical…. The only consistent are Math and the Old dude….
When you are a boss, you must pay for labor, no excuses. Anything else is bad business.
At the beginning of the day and at the end of the day it all comes down to proactive communication. Everything sounds like reactive communication across the board
Hoffa you a humble brother. Let God take the wheel. You see false people in you vision clear. You just so humble and refuse to show ignorance. You got my respect Hoffa 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
Flip saying he has to pay for his lifestyle Plus his family First, before he pays the person that's helping you produce the content that provides income in which helps financesthat lifestyle is dirty work
I know if I was a co-host and a show wasnt mine and im getting a name on the show there would be nothing stopping me from starting my own branch off show so if something like this happens my show blows up just off people wanting to hear my side of the story