It's easy to forget how good some of the England players of this era really were. I mean Francis, Woodcock, Keagan, Shilton, not to mention the footie genius, John Barnes, who was to follow. Amazing that there was such a drought when it came to cups and medals.
Greenwood oversaw a mismanagement of the England team..He did not pick either Peter Barnes or Cunningham for the European championship and was effectively playing a too narrow midfield (he would drop Bryan Robson from the squad as well which when they played Italy later that Summer cost them as Robson could have helped Wilkins reinforce the Midfield space instead they got more and more overrun in the match)...
@@kingkane1051 Clough and Peter Taylor would have do ne alot of replacing, Regis and Francis would have been a good combination up front..Ray Kennedy would also have been utilised more..maybe Kennedy would have eased out Brooking under Clough..Statham, Cowans, Devonshire and Hoddle would have featured in the English set up more in this period..all young players..
I actually was expecting to see some actions from Laurie "the black pearl" Cunningham here, but didn't see any. But okay, now I see how good England was in their offensive plays. Steve Coppell and Tony Woodcock were terrific.
England,my child! İ have never seen as beautiful players as it was like in these years for along time. i met england national team and english football with this uniform. When i was a child in my eleven years.those were the days how time flies.a few days ago,i watched a video about chriss waddle and i could not believe in my eyes so that i was not nearly recognise him because he has had physical changes on him howeever i can remembers him in a poster before 1986 world cup. The players who played for england before 1990 or until 1990 world cup or european champion cups were very capable and skillfull.they were like film stars.for example,chriss waddle,gary lineker,tony woodcock ,john barnes,des walkers... İ wonder whether i drink a cup of coffee with chriss waddle or glenn hoddle one day in the future or not ? İ do not know or i am sure i will not do it forever if anyone who writes comments here or is close friend to waddle, let say him my best regards and let say him my wish to him. Maybe he reads these lines and feels sorry ...
Nuttybott And you have to say that the Admiral kit that proceeded this one (the one worn in the 1982 World Cup), was arguably one of the best looking England kits ever made.
Yes. When Wilkins retired he didn't run a lap of honour, he just inched sideways across the pitch. Seriously, though, he was a great player in his pomp/
That was a fine performance - Shilton, Neal, Thompson, Mills, Wilkins, Kennedy, Coppell, Francis, Woodcock all looking world class and Cunningham on the bench.
Remember the 1982 England team did not lose a game at the World Cup and Keegan and Brooking were injured, Hoddle did not play at all in the knockout stages...
This was the game which had fans in England thinking we had a serious chance of doing something in Euro 1980. Alas, Trevor Francis did his cruciate prior to the finals and we were never quite the same. David Johnson was next in line and despite scoring twice in a pre tournament friendly vs Argentina he was no Trevor Francis. Another case of what might have been.
They were a bit unlucky in Euro 80, had a goal disallowed by Woodcock at the end of the match against Belguim that would have given them the win and beat Spain in the final game...only narrowly lost a match against Italy with a goal a few minutes form the end ..If the Woodcock goal had stood they would have progressed..
I didn't really followed Euro 1980, I only read the news about the final when Horst Hrubesch scored the winner. Belgium was a new team for me then, but grew as a team I supported in WC 1982. I was glad they beat Argentina in the opening match. When I just search again about the Euro 80, especially the group stage of England, I couldn't imagine England faced Italy that had famous cattenacio system organized by their libero Gaetano Scirea and Claudio Gentille. They also had stylish playmaker, Giancarlo Antognoni and striker Roberto Betega.
True. And Keegan was class. On the other hand, Spain fielded here a weak midfield, with substitutes. A year later with Zamora, the great Real Sociedad midfielder, Spain won at Wembley. The level then anyway was quite similar, maybe England a little better.
Yeah.. then they would have gone through to semifinal against France they beat 3-1 in preliminary stage. So they should have won again and faced Italy in the final.
@@djelalniyazi4090 If they were not able to play for England because of nationality then they are as i said foreign in 1968 when Man Utd were the first English team to win the European cup three such players were in the team two Irishmen and a Scotsman.
but for Ron Greenwood's mismanagement this crop of players would have done more esp at Spain 1982..He never kept faith with the Peter Barnes-Coppell combination down the flanks he started with and regressed to a 4/4/2 system..
One of England's better performances but against a very mediocre Spanish team as they proved that summer in Italy. I'm afraid it has to be accepted that a lot of these players and others people have mentioned were not up the very highest international standards, (even though they played very well for their clubs and 'looked' good) which is why England always failed when it came to the crunch. When the English game became based on physical and moral qualities in the 1950s that was the start of the slippery slope. How the league is, so goes the national team. English players were used to power and pace and high crosses on a Saturday and were unable to adapt to the more sophisticated international style on a Wednesday. They always struggled at home at this time as well to a useful continental side with an excellent libero and a good goalkeeper. A deep, defensive organisation coupled with not being afraid of physical contact and working hard baffled them.
@@damianmcdonagh7908 Thank you very much Damian. I have been watching football since 1972 (I don’t much now) and have always tried to be objective. England fans tend to be tribal and think that their favourite players are better than they really are, and media ‘experts’ confirm this for them and thus, it is that myths are preserved. I know because when I was young, I fell into this trap myself at times. I actually think that England winning the World Cup in 1966 was one of the worst things that happened to English football in the long run as it convinced people England did not need to change their style to keep up with their European counterparts who were evolving a more skilful style e.g. West Germany, Holland etc. Of course, this would be heresy to most fans, and I would be run out of town for saying it! I would say though that England in the 70s and 80s were capable of much better if they’d had better management but Ramsay and Revie had their problems and I don’t think Brian Clough’s blunt management style, would have worked with a group of highly paid experienced internationals but who knows. Ron Greenwood was a good choice as he was the one English manager that thought like a continental, but he was past his best when appointed really - the job came years too late. As an afterthought consider this the next time you hear an England fan moaning at the next tournament. England’s record at international level is on a par with Sweden and Belguim, but you wouldn’t expect them to be challenging every 2 years would you? The Swedes have finished 2nd, 3rd (twice) and 4th in the World Cup. They have been semi-finalists once in the European Championship and have also won the Olympic title. The Belgians have finished 3rd and 4th in the World Cup and 2nd and 3rd in the European Championship. So perhaps we should think of ourselves as somewhere between Sweden and Belgium, although I know that wouldn’t be popular with the England Supporters’ Club! Keep enjoying the game.
@@gunternetzer9621 Good contribution...I certainly think, the 1982 WC (if the work had gone in post Euro 1980 could have mounted a SF run..or even finalist...The Second Round game against Spain was poor tactical management/team selection by Greenwood..Francis should have been played on top, Keegan played deeper to him in a support role with Terry McDermott on the right of midfield, Brooking as playmaker, if it was not working at HT ring the changes...Hoddle in the centre, Brooking on the right and Mariner on for Keegan...Those were doable things...Not hindsight...Jack Charlton was always berating Greenwood for not using Mariner correctly in relation to Francis..
They’ve always had the players, they never picked the right ones, england managers were hopeless, when they did have the right ones they played them out of position, ask John Barnes, used as a holding midfield player, John Barnes arguably the best attacking midfielder in the world, certainly in the top three.
@@elena16350 England have never really had many world class players in their history and certainly not since 1966. Just look at Hoddle and Barnes' performances (and many other players), they had loads of chances but couldn't adapt to international football. Ramsay, Revie and Greenwood all knew this.You can't always blame the manager.
İ am 51 years old and live in turkey. İ have had sadly years since i supported england national team,since i met england national team.the main problem of england national team is that england has not talented players who can dribbling, has technical skilfull players in midfield area. one glenn hoddle ,one chriss waddle, paul cascoigne are not enough for a real success. At least two skilfull players have to play at the same time. So untalented players play in the middfield that they can never take england to upper level. İf untalented players play in midffield you lose the ball easily and quickly so that you have to show greater effort to gain the ball back.the result it makes you tired.the second solution is that in the middle of defence area has slow and untalented players.now i want to ask you all a question: which players where played in the middle of defence area faster and more skilfull than mark wright and des walker who played in 1990 world cup???? The answer is nobody!!!If the number of your players who do Dribling is more than the success is so great. By the way, england has never had a goalkeeper.
Im watching this during coronavirus. I didnt know the score, so it was quite a thrill. Iain w in Glasgow
It's easy to forget how good some of the England players of this era really were. I mean Francis, Woodcock, Keagan, Shilton, not to mention the footie genius, John Barnes, who was to follow. Amazing that there was such a drought when it came to cups and medals.
Any other nation would have built their team around the likes of Scholes or Hoddle!
Trevor Francis was an amazing player and should have been picked for England much earlier and played for them much more often.
Greenwood oversaw a mismanagement of the England team..He did not pick either Peter Barnes or Cunningham for the European championship and was effectively playing a too narrow midfield (he would drop Bryan Robson from the squad as well which when they played Italy later that Summer cost them as Robson could have helped Wilkins reinforce the Midfield space instead they got more and more overrun in the match)...
Shilton was not a good goal keeper.the best national team i saw last was in 1990 world cup.
@@kingkane1051 Clough and Peter Taylor would have do
ne alot of replacing, Regis and Francis would have been a good combination up front..Ray Kennedy would also have been utilised more..maybe Kennedy would have eased out Brooking under Clough..Statham, Cowans, Devonshire and Hoddle would have featured in the English set up more in this period..all young players..
What a great commentater Brian Moore was.Great England performance.
Lovely bloke and top Gillingham fan
Liked this video too. Baku city
I actually was expecting to see some actions from Laurie "the black pearl" Cunningham here, but didn't see any. But okay, now I see how good England was in their offensive plays. Steve Coppell and Tony Woodcock were terrific.
Coppell with his left arm out on the right flank, a super sight
Top quality England team right here. Many European Cup winners in this team.
England,my child! İ have never seen as beautiful players as it was like in these years for along time. i met england national team and english football with this uniform. When i was a child in my eleven years.those were the days how time flies.a few days ago,i watched a video about chriss waddle and i could not believe in my eyes so that i was not nearly recognise him because he has had physical changes on him howeever i can remembers him in a poster before 1986 world cup. The players who played for england before 1990 or until 1990 world cup or european champion cups were very capable and skillfull.they were like film stars.for example,chriss waddle,gary lineker,tony woodcock ,john barnes,des walkers... İ wonder whether i drink a cup of coffee with chriss waddle or glenn hoddle one day in the future or not ? İ do not know or i am sure i will not do it forever if anyone who writes comments here or is close friend to waddle, let say him my best regards and let say him my wish to him. Maybe he reads these lines and feels sorry ...
The last time England wore this version of the Admiral strip, before changing to a new design for the match against Argentina in May.
Very observant comment
Nuttybott
And you have to say that the Admiral kit that proceeded this one (the one worn in the 1982 World Cup), was arguably one of the best looking England kits ever made.
Ray Wilkins is actually passing the ball forward here.
Yes. When Wilkins retired he didn't run a lap of honour, he just inched sideways across the pitch. Seriously, though, he was a great player in his pomp/
He didn't go sideways y'muppets. Y'all been listening to Big Ron "Ray Wilkins king of all cockneys"
That was a fine performance - Shilton, Neal, Thompson, Mills, Wilkins, Kennedy, Coppell, Francis, Woodcock all looking world class and Cunningham on the bench.
Remember the 1982 England team did not lose a game at the World Cup and Keegan and Brooking were injured, Hoddle did not play at all in the knockout stages...
This was the game which had fans in England thinking we had a serious chance of doing something in Euro 1980. Alas, Trevor Francis did his cruciate prior to the finals and we were never quite the same. David Johnson was next in line and despite scoring twice in a pre tournament friendly vs Argentina he was no Trevor Francis. Another case of what might have been.
They were a bit unlucky in Euro 80, had a goal disallowed by Woodcock at the end of the match against Belguim that would have given them the win and beat Spain in the final game...only narrowly lost a match against Italy with a goal a few minutes form the end ..If the Woodcock goal had stood they would have progressed..
@@kailashpatel1706 Spain in the final ? It's West Germany with Horst Hrubesch as their hero.
@@lexsoft3969 l meant the final group match..
@@kailashpatel1706 Ah sorry, I misunderstood.
I didn't really followed Euro 1980, I only read the news about the final when Horst Hrubesch scored the winner. Belgium was a new team for me then, but grew as a team I supported in WC 1982. I was glad they beat Argentina in the opening match.
When I just search again about the Euro 80, especially the group stage of England, I couldn't imagine England faced Italy that had famous cattenacio system organized by their libero Gaetano Scirea and Claudio Gentille. They also had stylish playmaker, Giancarlo Antognoni and striker Roberto Betega.
It is amazing that England did so badly in competitions. At times they were very good.
True. And Keegan was class. On the other hand, Spain fielded here a weak midfield, with substitutes. A year later with Zamora, the great Real Sociedad midfielder, Spain won at Wembley. The level then anyway was quite similar, maybe England a little better.
Why couldn’t we do this in 1982?!? 😫
Typical England. Win the friendly, but bottle it in the game that matters
Keegan, Francis and Brooking all injured and no adequate replacements.
@@gunternetzer9621 Was Francis injured? I thought he played.
But yes, you’re right. The loss of Keegan and Brooking was huge.
Très bon match des anglais (à l'extérieur !) qui jouaient bien à cette époque.
Grande partie de Ray Clemence
The result England needed two years later.
Yeah.. then they would have gone through to semifinal against France they beat 3-1 in preliminary stage. So they should have won again and faced Italy in the final.
We did beat them in the last of the three Euro games, but we'd already drawn with Belgium and then lost to Italy with Tardelli's goal.
@@andrewphippsphillips1455 Spain missed a penalty in that 'dead rubber' Euro 80 game. They also came to Wembley the following Spring and won 2-1.
Al año siguiente le devolvimos la visita y ganemos en Wembley. Qué recuerdos! Un saludo.
You cant duspute keegans commirment here. Uts not just talent. Its hard work
He as always like that. Ran around like a nutcase all game, heh
That Spanish defence are an absolute shambles
Raymond McDonald why can’t you say what a fucking amazing England win in Spain. England stuffing Spain in fucking Spain.
Raymond McDonald a year later Spain beat England 2-1 at Wembley and you should watch how England defended in that game. No better than they do now.
Official attendance at this match according to FIFA was 50,000 i am not joking
England were such a good team
In 1932?
england should have won more world cups, england teams use to win european cups by the dosen
England teams won European trophy's but the teams had lots of foreign players in them.
English FA not progressive enough
@@PatrickKelly-lz3pv not in the 70s and 80s i take your point that there were other british players which couldnt play for england
@@djelalniyazi4090 If they were not able to play for England because of nationality then they are as i said foreign in 1968 when Man Utd were the first English team to win the European cup three such players were in the team two Irishmen and a Scotsman.
@@PatrickKelly-lz3pv yeah unless they had a great britain team then iam sure they would have won world cups
Spain beat England 1-2 at Wembley a year later
who else noticed the substitution of Lupetigui, a coach of sPaniard in cup deL Mondo 2018
Peter Shilton is just too good in this game
England was a brilliant team!!
rip Trevor Francis
It's weird seeing ray Wilkins with hair
During this period, England really were spoilt for choice as regards quality players.
but for Ron Greenwood's mismanagement this crop of players would have done more esp at Spain 1982..He never kept faith with the Peter Barnes-Coppell combination down the flanks he started with and regressed to a 4/4/2 system..
One of England's better performances but against a very mediocre Spanish team as they proved that summer in Italy. I'm afraid it has to be accepted that a lot of these players and others people have mentioned were not up the very highest international standards, (even though they played very well for their clubs and 'looked' good) which is why England always failed when it came to the crunch. When the English game became based on physical and moral qualities in the 1950s that was the start of the slippery slope. How the league is, so goes the national team. English players were used to power and pace and high crosses on a Saturday and were unable to adapt to the more sophisticated international style on a Wednesday. They always struggled at home at this time as well to a useful continental side with an excellent libero and a good goalkeeper. A deep, defensive organisation coupled with not being afraid of physical contact and working hard baffled them.
@@gunternetzer9621 Fascinating piece of information, many thanks for sharing.
@@damianmcdonagh7908 Thank you very much Damian. I have been watching football since 1972 (I don’t much now) and have always tried to be objective. England fans tend to be tribal and think that their favourite players are better than they really are, and media ‘experts’ confirm this for them and thus, it is that myths are preserved. I know because when I was young, I fell into this trap myself at times. I actually think that England winning the World Cup in 1966 was one of the worst things that happened to English football in the long run as it convinced people England did not need to change their style to keep up with their European counterparts who were evolving a more skilful style e.g. West Germany, Holland etc. Of course, this would be heresy to most fans, and I would be run out of town for saying it!
I would say though that England in the 70s and 80s were capable of much better if they’d had better management but Ramsay and Revie had their problems and I don’t think Brian Clough’s blunt management style, would have worked with a group of highly paid experienced internationals but who knows. Ron Greenwood was a good choice as he was the one English manager that thought like a continental, but he was past his best when appointed really - the job came years too late.
As an afterthought consider this the next time you hear an England fan moaning at the next tournament. England’s record at international level is on a par with Sweden and Belguim, but you wouldn’t expect them to be challenging every 2 years would you? The Swedes have finished 2nd, 3rd (twice) and 4th in the World Cup. They have been semi-finalists once in the European Championship and have also won the Olympic title. The Belgians have finished 3rd and 4th in the World Cup and 2nd and 3rd in the European Championship. So perhaps we should think of ourselves as somewhere between Sweden and Belgium, although I know that wouldn’t be popular with the England Supporters’ Club!
Keep enjoying the game.
@@gunternetzer9621 Good contribution...I certainly think, the 1982 WC (if the work had gone in post Euro 1980 could have mounted a SF run..or even finalist...The Second Round game against Spain was poor tactical management/team selection by Greenwood..Francis should have been played on top, Keegan played deeper to him in a support role with Terry McDermott on the right of midfield, Brooking as playmaker, if it was not working at HT ring the changes...Hoddle in the centre, Brooking on the right and Mariner on for Keegan...Those were doable things...Not hindsight...Jack Charlton was always berating Greenwood for not using Mariner correctly in relation to Francis..
We never had the players
They’ve always had the players, they never picked the right ones, england managers were hopeless, when they did have the right ones they played them out of position, ask John Barnes, used as a holding midfield player, John Barnes arguably the best attacking midfielder in the world, certainly in the top three.
@@elena16350 England have never really had many world class players in their history and certainly not since 1966. Just look at Hoddle and Barnes' performances (and many other players), they had loads of chances but couldn't adapt to international football. Ramsay, Revie and Greenwood all knew this.You can't always blame the manager.
Menudo folle nos dieron ese dia los piratas estos
Jugaba mejor Inglaterra,en ese tiempo, jugadores técnicos Francis, Keegan, y woodcock
Ya no jugaba Channon?
Carrasco es Uria? jugó en Argentina 78
Carrasco es uno que jugo en Barcelona. Y Uria uno que jugo en el Sporting de Gijón.
To quote Alan Hansen that sloppy defender.
İ am 51 years old and live in turkey. İ have had sadly years since i supported england national team,since i met england national team.the main problem of england national team is that england has not talented players who can dribbling, has technical skilfull players in midfield area. one glenn hoddle ,one chriss waddle, paul cascoigne are not enough for a real success. At least two skilfull players have to play at the same time. So untalented players play in the middfield that they can never take england to upper level. İf untalented players play in midffield you lose the ball easily and quickly so that you have to show greater effort to gain the ball back.the result it makes you tired.the second solution is that in the middle of defence area has slow and untalented players.now i want to ask you all a question: which players where played in the middle of defence area faster and more skilfull than mark wright and des walker who played in 1990 world cup???? The answer is nobody!!!If the number of your players who do Dribling is more than the success is so great. By the way, england has never had a goalkeeper.
bernabeu stadium?
Nou Camp