As a guitar lover and player, it’s impossible to come across a video like this and not watch it all the way through! I’m always fascinated by the great work of caring luthiers! Excellent video, thanks for posting!
The amount of attention to detail given these instruments now relative to when they were first made is insane. The people throwing them together on the production line back then would never have believed it.
@@creamwobbly - That’s cool and I think we all want to try that. To your economic comparison, when you buy a John Suhr or Dave Friedman guitar, the ‘new guitar’ price of most that come with perfect fret work far exceeds the cost of paying for the work separately. On Know your gear, Philip proves with a Plek job on a Squier that the cost of the raw instrument is somewhat irrelevant… he did this experiment despite the fact he can do the manual work very well.
Absolutely enjoyed every second of this. . . .I learned soo much!!! The luthiers explained in detail. The camera work was top notch!!! Thank you Premier Guitar for creating this, you guys ROCK!!! If I ever need any fret or repairs to my Mary Kaye Strat I know to reach out to.
Very cool as a guitarist…..the heating up the frets and removing..delicate…but/experience these guys have…it’s comforting…when u have a good luthier repair guy..
Greg Voros is a REALLY GOOD at repair & Set Up. He is also a Really nice fellow to have working on your string instruments.....You just can't go wrong with Greg V..........
Awesome! Beautiful work, Lads. I envy your talents, skills, top level professional tools and most of all (you’d understand if you saw how I live), the expansive space available to you, in order to be efficient, clean and organised and expeditious for your clients. Especially those who blast in without prior notice because they are on tour and something terrible has happened to their #1!!! 😳🤯😊🎶🎶🌅 Thanks for this great tutorial. You have given me more ideas and returned to me the motivation I lost.
Oh, ok. The VIDEO is under 10 minutes! For a minute I was thinking, "wow these gurus at Gruhn are really fast. Two refrets in under 10 minutes! " Nice work, gentlemen.
IMO, they serve no real purpose and you're probably better off without them. They make the refret much more time consuming and expensive, as well. A good luthier will provide nice rounded off fret ends and you'll be just fine without the nibs.
@@procrastinator6902 it's a 1959 Gibson guitar. If I can I go with the factory look. Time consuming? Yes. More expensive? Oh yes! Totally worth it if it's a collector's item. A player's guitar can go without the nibs? Definitely!
Punchline would be: they pick up guitars, play, and it sounds like non-tonal / microtonal chaos and failure. Maybe that’s why video cuts the last few seconds before the 10 minute mark 💭🤔
Cutting the tangs to precisely fit around the neck binding on the 335 looks like someone doing fine jewellery work… This would probably be a big pain to do with stainless frets!
Intrigued to see Johnson's paste wax being applied to a rosewood fingerboard. I only ever see luthiers applying oil to refresh fingerboards. I bet it looks/feels great...
The paste wax is applied to prevent the ca glue from messing up the fingerboard. It will be removed with a solvent like naphtha when the fret job is done.
I need a refret bad, but am worried that Guitar Center (only option here) will not do all those little necessary things that make it done correctly. What are the main questions to ask? Should I just consider a new neck (afraid I'll get one that doesn't just fit perfectly)? Also, I'm lefty. Also have Multiple Sclerosis, which makes it hard to understand and comprehend what to do, and how to do it. My life is sucking bad, but having my #1 guitar fixed would sure make it seem slightly more tolerable, at least until MS takes playing guitar away from me. Need my guitar fixed while I can still play.
If you end up going to Guitar Center ask them to see previous works, get some references, it's really easy to butcher a guitar neck when refretting, it has happend to me and it sucks.
Mike is it a strat? if so take the neck off and ship it to these guys. if you dont want to do that take Gerrys advice, right now our GC has a guy that does really good fret work
You're playing Russian roulette if you take it to GC. Very few GCs have guys that can do quality fret work. If you're lucky, you find some that can do decent set ups and maybe electronic work.
This was awesome! And also shows why you should have a professional refret your guitar. With little bits of wood being removed every time, how many times can you refret? Also, I saw Greg with Damon Johnson playing bass opening for the Winery Dogs. Great bass player and he had a monster tone!
When you look at the work order for your guitar? If it is mostly parts? Not, a lot of labor? You could probably do it yourself. If it’s mostly labor? You should let a luthier do it!
Hey guys, even though you two are pros, I would not appreciate either of you holding cups of coffee (?) so close to my guitar. Ha. But I'd still hire you if I could afford to do so.
Isn’t a 59 strat suppose to have a maple neck ?? Is it common practice to take the neck off a strat for refret ? If I had a guitar worth that much I wouldn’t want anybody to take the neck off idk
Removing a neck is no big deal at all, especially for a guitar like a strat. In fact, on these vintage ones it's required in order to adjust your truss rod.
It would have been nice to see the before closeup of the frets and boards where the problems were and then the finished example. Wish you guts could refret my Strat! Who is good in Seattle?
Nefiga did not understand half of the text, but the vidos seizes - Guitars fire !!! ))) View original (Google Translate) Nefiga didn’t understand half of the text, it’s not sticky - Guitar fire !!! ))) View original (Google Translate) Nefiga polovinu teksta ne ponyal, no vidos zayedayet - Gitary ogon '!!! ))) Posmotret 'original (Google Translate) Nefiga polovinu teksta ne ponyal, ne vidos lipnet - Gitarnyy ogon '!!! ))) Posmotret 'original (Perevod Gugl)
Nefiga did not understand half of the text, but vidos grasps - Guitars fire !!! ))) View original (Google Translate) Nefiga didn’t understand half of the text, it’s not sticky - Guitar fire !!! ))) View original (Google Translate) Nefiga did not understand half of the text, but the vidos jams up - Guitar fire !!! ))) View original (Google Translate) Nefiga didn’t understand half of the text, it’s not sticky - Guitar fire !!! )))
There it is... My dream guitar. A pre-CBS, Dakota red, slab board Fender Stratocaster. I would do *bad* things, to _good_ people, to get my hands on a guitar like that. 😩😩😩 P.S. Bring these guys back!!!!
@@SuperCrazylegs26 It was slab, all rosewood fretboards on a strat prior to late '62 were. On this video at 7:15, you can see the end of the board and tell for sure that it's slab.
these guys are animals. When doing the beveling process, both didn't tape off the sides of the fretboard, (like the binding on the gibson). That alone will chew up the binding and leave nasty scratch marks, as well as make the fretboard narrower because they are taking off material. How in the world these people were trusted with these delicate and vintage instruments is well beyond me
… And you just know that the level of work being done here is probably three times as good as the original factory work. Certainly 10 times as careful.
Most tricks and info are hidden, but some good ideas, thanks ! 10 mins is for coffee and ads, real fretwork takes much more. StewMac must be happy for all it too ! :)
All original, pristine clean museum pieces are great for rich collectors, but they're not necessarily better instruments. Refins are how I got into the vintage market! My refinished '69 Tele might actually be better than new since they had switched to poly by that time. And my '59 Harvard had all the tweed removed... but it was $1400. Neither thing affects the sound or playability. The only thing that saddens me is when I see a horrible job.
Gotta wonder about sanding the boards. I've refretted instruments and always sanded the board, but you wonder if you're taking away some of the character of an especially old instrument. Only the frets need to be level... but, I guess, do what the customer wants?
You have to remember you have to have those frets as level as possible on the board. No matter how you take the frets out, there is always going to be an issue with wood from the slots coming up. If you dont get them down the only way to stop any buzzing is excessive filing (which takes a lot of your wire away and just means you'll refret again even sooner) and thats still not a guarantee. I get mine to where a razor blades edge wont go underneath. If it does and I disregard it, I always have problems.
@@jubjub905 Yeah. Well the increased amount of crown filing is the reason I've always sanded! ...and I've never worried about little chips being glued back in as a result of that. What would you do if tasked with a 59 Les Paul with provenance with some subtle dips in the fretboard? Slightly taller fretwire to compensate?
Subscribe to PG's Channel: bit.ly/SubscribePGUA-cam
Don't Miss a Rundown: bit.ly/RIgRundownENL
Merch & Magazines: shop.premierguitar.com
More from these guys plz
💯 These are the guys we wanna hear from!
Still friends with Jared?
As a guitar lover and player, it’s impossible to come across a video like this and not watch it all the way through! I’m always fascinated by the great work of caring luthiers! Excellent video, thanks for posting!
This video was garbage. Either of these Canadians make way better videos. ua-cam.com/users/twoodfrd ua-cam.com/users/MichaelMcConvilleGuitar
Glad you enjoyed it!
Fretting a guitar sideways is unhinged, absolute chaos move from 50s Fender
These guys are real pros. You can tell they care about what they do. Feature these guys more.
Should an open cup of regular be anywhere near a '59?
The amount of attention to detail given these instruments now relative to when they were first made is insane. The people throwing them together on the production line back then would never have believed it.
So true. Especially Leo Fender! His idea was just put a new neck on them!
fuckin' great video!!!
Great video guys, content and production were totally awesome. Please do more, please.
I don’t know how much these guys charge, but a fret job like this, in my opinion, is priceless!!!!!
@@creamwobbly ....I totally agree...if I had a workshop, I would be doing the same as you!!!!!
@@creamwobbly - That’s cool and I think we all want to try that. To your economic comparison, when you buy a John Suhr or Dave Friedman guitar, the ‘new guitar’ price of most that come with perfect fret work far exceeds the cost of paying for the work separately.
On Know your gear, Philip proves with a Plek job on a Squier that the cost of the raw instrument is somewhat irrelevant… he did this experiment despite the fact he can do the manual work very well.
Absolutely enjoyed every second of this. . . .I learned soo much!!! The luthiers explained in detail. The camera work was top notch!!! Thank you Premier Guitar for creating this, you guys ROCK!!! If I ever need any fret or repairs to my Mary Kaye Strat I know to reach out to.
The best playing guitar I own is my Gruhn refretted 1981 Gibson ES-335. Thank you kind sirs!!!
Very cool as a guitarist…..the heating up the frets and removing..delicate…but/experience these guys have…it’s comforting…when u have a good luthier repair guy..
great video!! I am so in awe of guitar techs, so cool and masterful!!
It is always great to see real craftsmen at work. Awesome video.
Greg Voros is a REALLY GOOD at repair & Set Up. He is also a Really nice fellow to have working on your string instruments.....You just can't go wrong with Greg V..........
Greg is the absolute best!
Fantastic all around. Great fun to watch and very well done! More please.
More to come!
@@premierguitar Yes! Thank you.
I rather hear the sounds in the work shoppe, than listening to passages of music
thankx guys!
Hey Greg!! Good to see ya again! Greg is so awesome!
Great video. Enjoyed the camera work and editing. I would love to see a longer version with more details.
Gruhn guitars are the masters bar none. Id not send mine anywhere else. Thanks George
Awesome! Beautiful work, Lads. I envy your talents, skills, top level professional tools and most of all (you’d understand if you saw how I live), the expansive space available to you, in order to be efficient, clean and organised and expeditious for your clients. Especially those who blast in without prior notice because they are on tour and something terrible has happened to their #1!!! 😳🤯😊🎶🎶🌅 Thanks for this great tutorial. You have given me more ideas and returned to me the motivation I lost.
Great idea love the video cant wait for more that 9 minutes flew by !!!
Great job guys. More please
Oh, ok. The VIDEO is under 10 minutes! For a minute I was thinking, "wow these gurus at Gruhn are really fast. Two refrets in under 10 minutes! " Nice work, gentlemen.
Amazing. I would have loved to see more video of these two fret jobs!
Total badassery!
this was awesome!
This is craftsmanship!
A great informative video thanks fellas!!
Need more content from these guys!
Video was very good. Could you make a sound with the instrument at the end? It would be good to watch too.
Great stuff greg!!
I wish people would stop hammering frets in. Use a press.
Excellent
Hi, would love to know what kind of frets do you use for the ´59 335, they does not look very tall...Thanks & Best Regards
Great video but was surprised there was no mention of fret nibs for the 335 🤔
On a guitar like that I'd rebuild the nibs. It deserves it.
IMO, they serve no real purpose and you're probably better off without them. They make the refret much more time consuming and expensive, as well. A good luthier will provide nice rounded off fret ends and you'll be just fine without the nibs.
@@procrastinator6902 it's a 1959 Gibson guitar. If I can I go with the factory look. Time consuming? Yes. More expensive? Oh yes! Totally worth it if it's a collector's item. A player's guitar can go without the nibs? Definitely!
Where can I get a soldering iron with two tips like that you had for heating the frets? Is there a name for those?
Definitely not 10 minutes.
Video, 10 minutes. Actual job, hours.
Thank you for saving me wasting my time watching the video. I only clicked on it to say that I would WANT my tech to take their time on a re-fret.
@@darwinsaye actually, video is pretty cool either way. A couple priceless moments/ insights.
Punchline would be: they pick up guitars, play, and it sounds like non-tonal / microtonal chaos and failure. Maybe that’s why video cuts the last few seconds before the 10 minute mark 💭🤔
Nice stuff.
Cutting the tangs to precisely fit around the neck binding on the 335 looks like someone doing fine jewellery work…
This would probably be a big pain to do with stainless frets!
I like the fact that it is under 10 minutes.
The title makes me want to pull my hair out. Obviously they’re talking about video length. Don’t you dare try to refret a 59 es in 10 minutes.
Hi, thanks for the video. So in the case of the LP, you guys glue the frets after install them?? Thanks!
Wow, 20+ years of experience in under 10 minutes, pretty bad ass…I hate to say it but UA-cam is pretty Bad ass too
Oh man..I love those late 50s 335s more so than the LPs.
Intrigued to see Johnson's paste wax being applied to a rosewood fingerboard. I only ever see luthiers applying oil to refresh fingerboards. I bet it looks/feels great...
The paste wax is applied to prevent the ca glue from messing up the fingerboard. It will be removed with a solvent like naphtha when the fret job is done.
@@danielmiguelbaltesamado3940 - of course!! Thanks for that explanation.
What would these fret jobs have cost? I’d like to refret a Gibson Les Paul custom with stainless steel.
Well, this confirms what I've suspected for a long time: I never want to refret a guitar. 😊 I will leave it to the professionals.
how does heating the fret make the wood contract?
Ive never seen a defret like that👍
I need a refret bad, but am worried that Guitar Center (only option here) will not do all those little necessary things that make it done correctly. What are the main questions to ask? Should I just consider a new neck (afraid I'll get one that doesn't just fit perfectly)? Also, I'm lefty. Also have Multiple Sclerosis, which makes it hard to understand and comprehend what to do, and how to do it. My life is sucking bad, but having my #1 guitar fixed would sure make it seem slightly more tolerable, at least until MS takes playing guitar away from me. Need my guitar fixed while I can still play.
If you end up going to Guitar Center ask them to see previous works, get some references, it's really easy to butcher a guitar neck when refretting, it has happend to me and it sucks.
Mike is it a strat? if so take the neck off and ship it to these guys. if you dont want to do that take Gerrys advice, right now our GC has a guy that does really good fret work
@@GerryBlue DO NOT go to Guitar Center!!! 20 something year olds butchering guitars
I wouldn’t take my guitar to GC...I’d recommend shipping it to a good luthier...a bit pricier but hey, it’s your baby!!!!!
You're playing Russian roulette if you take it to GC. Very few GCs have guys that can do quality fret work. If you're lucky, you find some that can do decent set ups and maybe electronic work.
Thoughts on rebinding the 335?
Why ????
Nice video guys!
Do you have by any chance hungarian ancestors? Because of your last names :D
You know, the coffee cups remind me of Caleb Savant and Steve Ostrem.
Why is it necessary to remove the nut when refreting??
Very cool
Why 2 rosewood fret jobs? A finished maple fretboard has a whole different set of issues. I would like to see your process on maple fretboards.
This was awesome! And also shows why you should have a professional refret your guitar. With little bits of wood being removed every time, how many times can you refret? Also, I saw Greg with Damon Johnson playing bass opening for the Winery Dogs. Great bass player and he had a monster tone!
you need to remove the nut to refret a guitar ?
We’re the original nuts replaced or new ones cut and fitted?
How much is a fret job on a strat cost
I have a wore out Music man.Can I send for a rebuild?
Awesome great guitar 🎸
When you look at the work order for your guitar? If it is mostly parts? Not, a lot of labor? You could probably do it yourself. If it’s mostly labor? You should let a luthier do it!
No masking tape to fret ?
Do we have guys these good in Europe? Probably so. But please let me know where they are.
How much does something like this typically cost?
If I had to do this I would soon pass out from holding my breath.
Voros should be refretting the RED one,,, & Nagy ,, should be refrettiing the bigger guitar
I wonder how many hours are compressed to make this video. What does a refret cost now a days.
6.37 slams heavy ring on 59 strat
Cool
Nice to see somebody who knows how to take out and put in frets on an old Fender, I see guys pull them out with a fret puller I just cringe.
Hey guys, even though you two are pros, I would not appreciate either of you holding cups of coffee (?) so close to my guitar. Ha. But I'd still hire you if I could afford to do so.
Isn’t a 59 strat suppose to have a maple neck ?? Is it common practice to take the neck off a strat for refret ? If I had a guitar worth that much I wouldn’t want anybody to take the neck off idk
59 was the first year for rosewood board Stratocaster
Removing a neck is no big deal at all, especially for a guitar like a strat. In fact, on these vintage ones it's required in order to adjust your truss rod.
It would have been nice to see the before closeup of the frets and boards where the problems were and then the finished example. Wish you guts could refret my Strat! Who is good in Seattle?
Dusty Strings did fantastic work for me. Portland has some great luthiers as well.
Awesomeness. Will you guys do work for me?
The music in this video is overkill.
That braz board on the strat sure got a lot lighter and less cool looking after it was sanded. I wonder if that was really necessary.
Yes it is, you literally hit it with oil and polish it up. Brazillian will get dark again and polishes very nicely
Нефига половины текста не понял , но видос залипательный - Гитарки огонь !!! )))
Nefiga did not understand half of the text, but the vidos seizes - Guitars fire !!! )))
View original (Google Translate)
Nefiga didn’t understand half of the text, it’s not sticky - Guitar fire !!! )))
View original (Google Translate)
Nefiga polovinu teksta ne ponyal, no vidos zayedayet - Gitary ogon '!!! )))
Posmotret 'original (Google Translate)
Nefiga polovinu teksta ne ponyal, ne vidos lipnet - Gitarnyy ogon '!!! )))
Posmotret 'original (Perevod Gugl)
Nefiga did not understand half of the text, but vidos grasps - Guitars fire !!! )))
View original (Google Translate)
Nefiga didn’t understand half of the text, it’s not sticky - Guitar fire !!! )))
View original (Google Translate)
Nefiga did not understand half of the text, but the vidos jams up - Guitar fire !!! )))
View original (Google Translate)
Nefiga didn’t understand half of the text, it’s not sticky - Guitar fire !!! )))
Nefiga didn't know half the script, but the hands were vidos - fire guitars !!! ))))
View original (Google Translator)
Nefiga didn't know half the script, she didn't stick - Guitar Fire !!! ))))
View original (Google Translator)
Nefiga didn't understand half the script, but he gets vidos - guitar fire !!! ))))
View original (Google Translator)
Nefiga didn't know half the script, she didn't stick - Guitar Fire !!! ))))
Nefiga polovinu teksta ne ponyal, no vidos skhvatyvayet - Guitar ogon '!!! ))))
Postmotret 'original (Google translation)
Don't forget the text, don't forget - Gitara ogon '!!! ))))
Postmotret 'original (Google translation)
Nefiga polovinu teksta ne ponyal, no vidos zayedayet - Gitara ogon '!!! ))))
Postmotret 'original (Google translation)
Don't forget the text, don't forget - Gitara ogon '!!! ))))
lam yafham Nefiga nisf alnasi, walakin vidos alqabadat - alqitharat alnaar !!! ))))
earad al'asl (mtarjim jujil)
lam yafham Nefiga nisf alnasi, fahu lays lzjan - jitar fayar !!! ))))
earad al'asl (mtarjim jujil)
lam yafham Nefiga nisf alnasi, laki vidos tatawli - nar aljitar !!! ))))
earad al'asl (mtarjim jujil)
lam yafham Nefiga nisf alnasi, fahu lays lzjan - jitar fayar !!! ))))
Nefiga polovinu teksta ne ponyal, no vidos skhvatyvayet - Guitar ogon '!!! ))))
Posmotret 'al'asli (jujil translation)
Don't forget the text, don't forget - Gitara ogon '!!! ))))
Posmotret 'al'asli (jujil translation)
Nefiga polovinu teksta ne ponyal, no vidos zayedayet - Gitara ogon '!!! ))))
Posmotret 'al'asli (jujil translation)
Don't forget the text, don't forget - Gitara ogon '!!! ))))
There it is... My dream guitar. A pre-CBS, Dakota red, slab board Fender Stratocaster. I would do *bad* things, to _good_ people, to get my hands on a guitar like that. 😩😩😩 P.S. Bring these guys back!!!!
Is it slab?? I was looking to see and it looked too thin. Idk
@@SuperCrazylegs26 It was slab, all rosewood fretboards on a strat prior to late '62 were. On this video at 7:15, you can see the end of the board and tell for sure that it's slab.
Excellent video, but the music is too loud. Thanks.
The superglue is going to drive old time purists bonkers 😆, but I use it!
Also, ‘sponsored by Allparts’ but all I saw was StewMac tools 😆
Tell me superglue won’t cause chipping if god forbid it ever needs another refret.
Ok:
Superglue won’t cause chipping, if the frets are heated and God is taking a nap.
@@robertmay5091 Lol..oK ....I will tell him. hahaha
Finger points to you, brother
Edit: is this a parody?
Who is good in Connecticut?
these guys are animals. When doing the beveling process, both didn't tape off the sides of the fretboard, (like the binding on the gibson). That alone will chew up the binding and leave nasty scratch marks, as well as make the fretboard narrower because they are taking off material. How in the world these people were trusted with these delicate and vintage instruments is well beyond me
… And you just know that the level of work being done here is probably three times as good as the original factory work. Certainly 10 times as careful.
Most tricks and info are hidden, but some good ideas, thanks ! 10 mins is for coffee and ads, real fretwork takes much more. StewMac must be happy for all it too ! :)
Hungarians are the best luthiers.
R Hertelendy
nice thumbnail word trickery
DON'T fret!!!
You guys obviously know what you're doing but with the age and value of those guitars I can't hardly stand to watch.
Case in point here why this should never be DIY….leave it to the pros…‘specially with beautiful vintage instruments
Ok, ok, ok, ok........
Щас бы скотчем не залепить дерево и всей этой шелухой его засыпать...еще и не на алишной гитаре омг.
I don't believe that 59 Strat came in that color. Maybe somebody repainted it red? Killed the value if that's what they did
There were Fiesta Red done, this looks like Dakota Red, maybe a custom order one?
All original, pristine clean museum pieces are great for rich collectors, but they're not necessarily better instruments. Refins are how I got into the vintage market! My refinished '69 Tele might actually be better than new since they had switched to poly by that time. And my '59 Harvard had all the tweed removed... but it was $1400. Neither thing affects the sound or playability. The only thing that saddens me is when I see a horrible job.
Bit anticlimactic at the end, huh?
Gotta wonder about sanding the boards. I've refretted instruments and always sanded the board, but you wonder if you're taking away some of the character of an especially old instrument. Only the frets need to be level... but, I guess, do what the customer wants?
You have to remember you have to have those frets as level as possible on the board. No matter how you take the frets out, there is always going to be an issue with wood from the slots coming up. If you dont get them down the only way to stop any buzzing is excessive filing (which takes a lot of your wire away and just means you'll refret again even sooner) and thats still not a guarantee. I get mine to where a razor blades edge wont go underneath. If it does and I disregard it, I always have problems.
@@jubjub905 Yeah. Well the increased amount of crown filing is the reason I've always sanded! ...and I've never worried about little chips being glued back in as a result of that. What would you do if tasked with a 59 Les Paul with provenance with some subtle dips in the fretboard? Slightly taller fretwire to compensate?
Great camera work, very annoying soundtrack. I mean, its a strat and a 335, show some class