Doing my first oil change today. I'm at 20 hours. Also swapping out the rear coil. Got a softer one from Racetech as I ride more gnarly single track and hard enduro. I know the Stark isn't really built for that as it's on the heavy side compared to my gas bikes, but I still love to play in that stuff.
Is that little amount of oil all of the gear oil capacity??? It seems to be very little, even for cooling purpose of the gear. Thanks for your videos, waiting for my Varg to be delivered.
@@bwhaskell Have you changed yours after the first 5hr service? I'm thinking it should be done more often then they say. Its super easy and takes such a small amount of oil i'm thinking why not?
I’ve read that the oil is supposed to be changed after 5 hours for the break in, in the manual. They also say that it should be replaced every 40 hours afterwards, in the service intervals chapter. Maybe they expect it to be like that after the break in and that’s why they tell the owner to do a first oil change so soon. (I haven’t ordered a Varg yet because I’d like to hear some users reviews first, bur the main reason I have a strong interest for it is, incidentally, the supposed little maintenance required).
Thanks for the video! Sometimes manufacturers will install oils with special additive packages for break in - wonder if Stark did the same? Perhaps the new Valvoline gear oil you installed will come out looking better on the next oil change!
Storm Bee only takes 300 ml ( cc ) so the volume looks about right ; as for that gunk that came out ... Maybe another owner could post something based on their experience but really?
Did you happen to change oil again, i just did my first service same exact oil quality milky but not like cooling leak I’ve seen before. Curious if 2nd oil change was cleaner
@@travel_moto_build5889 I did a 2nd change just to see and it was not like that. Didn't seem to need it either. The gear oil was clean and looked about the same as when I put it in. I'll do 30-40 hours on it next time.
Have you contacted Stark and asked rheir technical team? That would be the proper answer. Then we would jnow if they put a special oil in the bike for first fill?
Not suprising the oil volume is so low. You just need some gear lubrication. There's no clutch slipping, gear dog legs slamming together or shift components. The color of the oil is suprising. As mentioned in the video, maybe there's some additive? Hard to believe that came from the gears alone. Any ideas on whether this oil touches the motor? Almost looks like contaminates from brushes, though i assume this is a brushless motor?
@@913outdoorsWhen is the next change interval? I recall something like 500 hours, correct? Be interesting to see if the oil is any better. Also, in the Varg official video, I think the tech rinsed the gear box with extra oil before refilling. Might consider spinning up the rear wheel on the stand and doing a second oil change to ensure all the particles are removed.
@@benjaminhawkins3767 Manual says 40 hours or 12 months. I'm going to do it every 5hrs. Its just a tiny amount of gear oil and super simple. Hopefully it looks better next time!
I just did mine. 15 hours, I know.......but the oil was clear. just like new. nothing like yours. I used Lucas 75-100...or 75-95....? forget already, lol. will change again in 5-10 hours.
Mine is one of the early bikes. I wonder if I had some assembly grease or anti-seize in it. Such a tiny amount i'll probably just keep doing it at 5hrs.
Might want to flush it out a few times. That oil is clearly contaminated. Looks like when my brothers water pump seal went out on his rm80. You could send the oil out for analysis I’d bet money there is water in it.
I actually thought about that and went back and flushed it out a few times until it came out clean. I think if a little water got in it would have veen from washing it but still not sure that's what it is. My guess is assembly lube and such. I'll change it again after a few rides and see how it looks.
Doubt it. Its sealed pretty well. I'd think feom power washing maybe but the car has an o'ring and fits pretty snug. Nowhere else for water to get in really.
@@opencurtains9323 probably same as any as far as chassis/suspension. Just depends on how often they are cleaned and lubed. The motor should be in a lot better shape than a gas bike. No clutch, gears, valves, cam chain, cams, pistons, etc. Just a simple electric motor and primary/secondary gear in a small housing with gear oil. These should last longer than any gas bike.
You just fill until it comes out of the oil level bolt hole. Its not much! 80hr interval. Its just a tiny amount of gear oil. I plan to do mine yearly.
Yes for sure! Well, the 60hp setting pulls harder than my 450. The 80hp setting is just hilarious. Its fun to play around with but difficult to ride. I usually just hit 55hp and leave it be. Feels perfect there for me.
that jeep's not red! ok. listening to vid. 😜 wow. you weren't kidding. not a lot of fluid at all. guess it makes sense with absence of moving parts in there.
just had my stark got overheated. Got a warning and the bike just froze. Only 19 hours in. What can this be? Can’t get the bike turned on again. Won’t show the battery level.
Definitely test ride one of these if you ever get the chance. Its insane! I love all my gas bikes and don't plan on selling any but this one destroys them all in power, handling, its silent and super easy to ride. Love it!
@913outdoors thanks for the adult reply , not some smart ass reply, I would try one, but sticking with gas and the sound of a 2 or 4 stroke, keep it on 2
@@shawnhorne9296 No worries! I love my gas bikes too. But having a home track its really nice to ride without neighbors even knowing! We have about 20 miles of trail that gets close to some houses in parts and I can ride freely without anyone complaining about the noise. The quiet bikes will open a lot of doors that have been closed for years because of noise. But I totally get it! Gas bikes do sound cool 😎. The silent riding has its charm for sure. Didn't take long to get used to it and really enjoy it. Its like a crazy fast mountain bike with MX suspension.
@@913outdoors I agree with the quietness. I have about 20 miles of single track on my property too and it's pretty cool to come up on deer, bear, owls and moose because of the lack of noise.
@shawnhorne9296 Everyone says the same thing until they ride one. When I go to the track, I'll let anyone ride mine, and they always come back awe struck. It's not like a muted down Tesla with no drama, the Stark is constantly trying to escape out of its own tires. It feels raw, exciting, and you forget all about the noise you thought you loved. I even loved the smell of gas. It's just game over after you ride one.
Did you happen to change oil again, i just did my first service same exact oil quality milky but not like cooling leak I’ve seen before. Curious if 2nd oil change was cleaner
Doing my first oil change today. I'm at 20 hours. Also swapping out the rear coil. Got a softer one from Racetech as I ride more gnarly single track and hard enduro. I know the Stark isn't really built for that as it's on the heavy side compared to my gas bikes, but I still love to play in that stuff.
Is that little amount of oil all of the gear oil capacity??? It seems to be very little, even for cooling purpose of the gear. Thanks for your videos, waiting for my Varg to be delivered.
That's it!! Hardly anything.
Its just a splash lubricant for the primary and reduction gear.
@@bwhaskell Have you changed yours after the first 5hr service? I'm thinking it should be done more often then they say. Its super easy and takes such a small amount of oil i'm thinking why not?
I’ve read that the oil is supposed to be changed after 5 hours for the break in, in the manual. They also say that it should be replaced every 40 hours afterwards, in the service intervals chapter. Maybe they expect it to be like that after the break in and that’s why they tell the owner to do a first oil change so soon. (I haven’t ordered a Varg yet because I’d like to hear some users reviews first, bur the main reason I have a strong interest for it is, incidentally, the supposed little maintenance required).
Thanks for the video! Sometimes manufacturers will install oils with special additive packages for break in - wonder if Stark did the same? Perhaps the new Valvoline gear oil you installed will come out looking better on the next oil change!
Guessing some type of lube on the gears mixing with gear oil. Thanks!
Storm Bee only takes 300 ml ( cc ) so the volume looks about right ; as for that gunk that came out ...
Maybe another owner could post something based on their experience but really?
Did you happen to change oil again, i just did my first service same exact oil quality milky but not like cooling leak I’ve seen before.
Curious if 2nd oil change was cleaner
@@travel_moto_build5889 I did a 2nd change just to see and it was not like that. Didn't seem to need it either. The gear oil was clean and looked about the same as when I put it in. I'll do 30-40 hours on it next time.
Have you contacted Stark and asked rheir technical team? That would be the proper answer. Then we would jnow if they put a special oil in the bike for first fill?
You rock bro.
Not suprising the oil volume is so low. You just need some gear lubrication. There's no clutch slipping, gear dog legs slamming together or shift components.
The color of the oil is suprising. As mentioned in the video, maybe there's some additive? Hard to believe that came from the gears alone. Any ideas on whether this oil touches the motor? Almost looks like contaminates from brushes, though i assume this is a brushless motor?
Seems like its just the final drive gear reduction in there. Its such a tiny amount.
@@913outdoorsWhen is the next change interval? I recall something like 500 hours, correct?
Be interesting to see if the oil is any better.
Also, in the Varg official video, I think the tech rinsed the gear box with extra oil before refilling. Might consider spinning up the rear wheel on the stand and doing a second oil change to ensure all the particles are removed.
@@benjaminhawkins3767 Manual says 40 hours or 12 months. I'm going to do it every 5hrs. Its just a tiny amount of gear oil and super simple. Hopefully it looks better next time!
it's about like a snowmobile chain case. they usually take about 8-12oz. Too much oil causes drag.
Even less than those even! Seemed like 2-3oz only. Cheap fluid change!
@@913outdoors I can't wait for mine to come in February.
@@RichardsCranium You are going to freak out once you ride it! So amazing.
My drain plug wouldnt budge.. the torx easily strips when the bolt is a little seized. Can you by any chance tell me the size of the bolt ?
Did you ever figure out what the size was?
I just landed my stark yesterday, out of curiosity, did you get notified in the Stark app about the maintenance?
Congrats! I have not got notifications except for updates.
I just did mine. 15 hours, I know.......but the oil was clear. just like new. nothing like yours. I used Lucas 75-100...or 75-95....? forget already, lol. will change again in 5-10 hours.
Mine is one of the early bikes. I wonder if I had some assembly grease or anti-seize in it. Such a tiny amount i'll probably just keep doing it at 5hrs.
Might want to flush it out a few times. That oil is clearly contaminated. Looks like when my brothers water pump seal went out on his rm80. You could send the oil out for analysis I’d bet money there is water in it.
I actually thought about that and went back and flushed it out a few times until it came out clean. I think if a little water got in it would have veen from washing it but still not sure that's what it is. My guess is assembly lube and such. I'll change it again after a few rides and see how it looks.
any chance water could have gotten into the oil? 🤔
Doubt it. Its sealed pretty well. I'd think feom power washing maybe but the car has an o'ring and fits pretty snug. Nowhere else for water to get in really.
How often do you do service? I’ve had mine for 15 hours and haven’t done any maintenance
@@zarbycrypto9067 5 hours then every 40hrs. Do your oil change now. Uts super easy.
@@913outdoors is that all I’ll need to do? How often will I need to change brakes or anything else
@@zarbycrypto9067 Brakes and chain as needed. Just check for wear. Keep everything greased and tight. Super easy bike to maintain.
The oil looked the same coming out of my Talaria.
Crazy
i just want to know what these things are gonna be like at 200 plus hours
@@opencurtains9323 probably same as any as far as chassis/suspension. Just depends on how often they are cleaned and lubed. The motor should be in a lot better shape than a gas bike. No clutch, gears, valves, cam chain, cams, pistons, etc. Just a simple electric motor and primary/secondary gear in a small housing with gear oil. These should last longer than any gas bike.
@@913outdoors thanks mane
Is there a filter?
@@Strangerthingsvehicles no filter.
How match Oil i have to put in ? And when is the next change ?
You just fill until it comes out of the oil level bolt hole. Its not much! 80hr interval. Its just a tiny amount of gear oil. I plan to do mine yearly.
Have you rode it in the 80 hp setting, how is it next to a 450
Yes for sure! Well, the 60hp setting pulls harder than my 450. The 80hp setting is just hilarious. Its fun to play around with but difficult to ride. I usually just hit 55hp and leave it be. Feels perfect there for me.
@@913outdoors thanks, good to know I’ve been thinking about getting one once some of the small problems are worked out in a year or two
@@KTM12CK Order one up! By the time you get it most of the kinks will be worked out. They have been making quite a few changes since I got mine.
Mine was really milky too
How long do you go until you do your 2nd oil change
40 hours per stark. Its super simple. I'll probably do it every 20. Barely any fluid in there as well.
@@913outdoorsjust had my stark got overheated. Got a warning and the bike just froze. Only 19 hours in. What can this be?
that jeep's not red! ok. listening to vid. 😜 wow. you weren't kidding. not a lot of fluid at all. guess it makes sense with absence of moving parts in there.
I think its literally just 2 gears. The red Jeep was behind me in the other garage 🤣
Water in the gear oil.
just had my stark got overheated. Got a warning and the bike just froze. Only 19 hours in. What can this be? Can’t get the bike turned on again. Won’t show the battery level.
@@omricod1 Shoot Stark an email. Mine stays nice and cool. Never had that happen.
...il mio era come nuovo!
ever hear of a microphone?
Yeah. It was dead.. sorry.
Go cry in the corner MARY 😅 ❄
Electric no thanks
Definitely test ride one of these if you ever get the chance. Its insane! I love all my gas bikes and don't plan on selling any but this one destroys them all in power, handling, its silent and super easy to ride. Love it!
@913outdoors thanks for the adult reply , not some smart ass reply, I would try one, but sticking with gas and the sound of a 2 or 4 stroke, keep it on 2
@@shawnhorne9296 No worries! I love my gas bikes too. But having a home track its really nice to ride without neighbors even knowing! We have about 20 miles of trail that gets close to some houses in parts and I can ride freely without anyone complaining about the noise. The quiet bikes will open a lot of doors that have been closed for years because of noise. But I totally get it! Gas bikes do sound cool 😎. The silent riding has its charm for sure. Didn't take long to get used to it and really enjoy it. Its like a crazy fast mountain bike with MX suspension.
@@913outdoors I agree with the quietness. I have about 20 miles of single track on my property too and it's pretty cool to come up on deer, bear, owls and moose because of the lack of noise.
@shawnhorne9296 Everyone says the same thing until they ride one. When I go to the track, I'll let anyone ride mine, and they always come back awe struck.
It's not like a muted down Tesla with no drama, the Stark is constantly trying to escape out of its own tires. It feels raw, exciting, and you forget all about the noise you thought you loved. I even loved the smell of gas. It's just game over after you ride one.
Did you happen to change oil again, i just did my first service same exact oil quality milky but not like cooling leak I’ve seen before.
Curious if 2nd oil change was cleaner