Can Jalen Green and Alperen Sengun play at a high level TOGETHER? | Numbers on the Board
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- Опубліковано 3 чер 2024
- In this excerpt from Numbers on the Board, the guys discuss the Houston Rockets and if both Jalen Green and Alperen Sengun can play at a high level when on the court together.
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They tryna push the cannot co exist narrative so other teams can get their hands on one for the low, yall aint slick
Yessir. Those two guys are dynasty generational talents lol😂
Ime has them playing together, the league is just hating on the Rockets, as they do every year.
Exactly 💯
Fax 📠
@@darealliljable bet you would take Sengun or Jalen on your team right now, and they're only getting better 🤷🏾♂️
Jalen and Alpi were already developing chemistry. Rockets will be fine when Alpi comes back and scary next year when Alpi, Cam Whitmore and Tari Eason all return with the addition of Steven Adams and add in some more young draft capital thanks to the generous NJ Nets. GM Stone hasn't made a questionable draft pick yet. H-town is good. No need for you to get your 'panties in a wad,' who ever you are. LOL
😅😂😂🤣😆🤣😂
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No sh!t the Rockets going be good next year
Lazy take! They were 4-1 in together this stretch before Alpi went down.
Those of us who actually pay attention know. It's a media talking point plus who wouldn't want Sengun 😂 ? Dude has a compilation of highlights already and is already getting triple doubles. What ever team has him has a player that can 3levate them exponentially because he's hard to stop one on one and when you double him he's a high I. Q. Passer.
The Rockets were many games under 500 with them playing together
I'm sorry I'm a rockets fan....yea they were 4-1 but Jalen has more space without Alph but Alph dominates the ball way too much Jalen is the piece to get us over the top
@@darealliljableit’s not even a media point. Only time I’ve ever heard a take this dumb is from these guys
@@allenjackson4663 you do realize there coach was making them play that way. They weren't playing that way because Aplerun requested it 😂
If Sengun couldn't play but one way then the point actually makes sense that they couldn't co-exist. But that's not the case and those who don't know basketball don't realize the difference between a 1 dimensional player and a flexible one. What a joke.
no one should go. it's the coaching staff's job to make them work together. kobe x shaq , curry x klay, lebrone x wade did it. if it didnt work it should be the coaching staff need to go. not them stupid
Some of these comparisons don’t make sense. Like Klay can fit on any team, next to anybody. It’s different from Sengun, who’s at his best when the offense runs through him, and Jalen, who’s at his best when he has the ball in his hands most of the time and can get in a rhythm.
These dude is just early hating. Ime has them where they need to be, and they can only get better.
@@obi3924 it was the same with Kobe and Gasol, but they won two rings playing the same way. They had Phil J of course, but Ime is a solid coach
@@obi3924 i think you don't know what i'm pointing at. all the duo I've mentioned are all dominant and needs the ball. the coach just need to guide them you stupid?
@@obi3924 i think you don't get the point here all that i mentioned are all dominant that needs ball because they know their worth. so stop your bs
Trust me Sengun would of had us coasting if he wasn’t injured
They both were finding their rhythm
I don’t think these guys actually watch rockets games. I’m a pistons fan and I even know Jalen and alpi chemistry has been growing.
Yep, they just watch ESPN highlights and boom, they are "experts."
These dudes are just average joes who don’t watch specific teams yet provide takes on them. Typical talking heads who don’t watch rockets games. So much for “analysis” meanwhile it’s just uneducated takes.
Have you watched them actually play this year? Jalen through this year has had oppurtunity to handle to rock while sengun plays off ball. Sengun being gone does not make Jalen the great defender he has become in march which has led to tons of transition buckets. Sengun being gone has not resulted in Jalen shooting 50% on catch and shoot 3s vs 30% when he still was getting the SAME looks when sengun was playing. Jalen is just playing better, making better decisions. Lazy convo, next
Then why are the numbers so drastic for Jalen when Sengun is on the floor? Basketball is complex but numbers don't lie
Stop the revisionism my man. Alpi is a post player, the only way for him to be effective is to give him the ball inside the paint, otherwise he's gonna be a liability since he doesn't have an outside shooting. The coaching staff tried to make Jalen as an off ball player to maximise Sengun's passing, that's one of the main reason why Jalen was struggling, he can not find his rhythm.
Jalen thrives when the ball is in hands, where he can operate freely. He can not do that when Sengun is on the floor since he also needs the ball all the time to be effective. Unless Sengun is willing to play like a Jock Landale type, this combo ain't gonna work.
Stop pretending that Jalen is suddenly great, he's always capable of doing this, he's just being held back.
@@blablablaa14 Jalen was averaging 26 points with sengun on the floor in march buddy...
That's the problem the talking heads do not watch the Rockets. And McMahon is a rockets hater I nvr trust his reporting on us green was not a defender that affects his shot. They were playin good before Sengun went down.
Bobbob, you already know how they like to create narratives that don't really exist in the media. (They don't really watch they fabricate)
Jalen actually has the rock in his hands now instead of Fred its not because of Şengün, they'll work great together Jalen was just struggling before and lost his confidence. Sengun is going to be perfect for playoff basketball on offense at least defensive still be determined but he's better than he's giving credit for on that side of the ball
Jalen Green Got A Hold of that Cougar Loving Power and Been Killing 😂...Lets Go H-Town 🤘🏾🚀
if Luka and kyrie can co-exist, Jagreen and Seguin can co exist.
right fan right mindset. respect
Jalen* and Alperen*
I don’t really like this discussion of “can Jalen & Alpi coexist” but I can understand why ppl are questioning it. IMO the real discussion should be what will Houston’s decision be on both guys upcoming contracts & who outta the rest of the young core will wind up being the odd man or men out. Unfortunately Houston can’t keep all of them simply because of finances.
@@MasonMiles5 finance sucks but it is what it is
Jalen and Alpi were balling before his injury. The whole issue was pace of play, and they’ve been playing at one of the fastest paces since the all star break. They’ll be great together, this is their first time playing with a legitimate coach and trying to play winning basketball together
of course espn gets it wrong, right on brand
Have to let this one play out and allow all of our player develop together. So much talent from top to bottom. A healthy Rockets team with experience will find themselves in the mix of the West for years to come.
just your opinion, all NBA teams need at least 2 stars to be successful, coach has to make it work
Not saying they should trade Sengun, but Amen Thompson can definitely be star too.
@@obi3924that dude Cam Whitmore is nice too
@@obi3924thats the real problem Houston has (which is a good problem to have as a team).They have a lot of young & really talented players who could potentially be high end to star level guys & they wont be able to keep them all. Things are going to get very expensive very fast so they’re definitely going to have some tough decisions to make.
The Rockets have a great coach...hello.
Jalen was already averaging near 27 ppg before Sengun got injured. To say Jalen Green is going off because Sengun is out is crazy.
My boy got that Child Support Badge! Went UP from there !
They definitely got something and with Ime anything is possible
Personally, I say if they can only be on the court one at a time have one or each other take turns being in the second unit so they can have a constant flow of awesomeness on the floor
And then the question would be if they’re both willing to do that
Who tf are these cashiers?
this is very similar to Ant leap season, Town's went down and ant suddenly turned into a star he is now. JG and Ant's game a similar too, they need the ball to get into a rhythm.
Who hiring these randoms.? Y’all should’ve kept Paul Pierce, Lamar Odom, and Chris Bosh.
For real
People hating on the video but they're right. It may or may not work out, so we'll see what the management does. Alperen being the most underpaid on the team needs to be cautious and smart about it. If there's a better offer, then take it. If there's a team to better show off your skills in, then take it. Jalen is the most paid on the team regardless, so Alperen Sengun needs to think about where he can most the most difference and get the most rewarded.
Of course they can. Jalen was already cooking before Alp went down with an injury. It's just that post-ASB Green is built different. He's been doing this every year. And there's that triple baby mama buff.
Just admit you don't watch the Rockets play, just watch the highlights. These takes around the Rockets have been super lazy and inaccurate
Jalen is very talented, has great potential, but he is definitely not the man you would entrust the team to. And Alperen!! He is a player whose upper limit is unknown, who is rare in the league, and who has a very high game intelligence. I think these two can complement each other. Of course, let's not forget Amen Thompson. I think these three players can reach the NBA finals with the right coaching.
U cant entrust a team to jalen? He carried the rockets in the last 8 games, amen helped but he offball and he relies on jalen to penetrate and pass the ball, sengun cant even carry the team, when he scored 45 against wemby most of them was from jalen or fred passes and he was 3 feet from the ring. Jalen scored 20+ in that game btw😂 facts sengun wins when jalen is playing but jalen wins w/o alpi....or cam or tari😂
Yes, Jalen showed a great performance against the teams at the bottom of the league. The remaining two good teams were without their most important stars. Jalen was good at this part of the year last season too. What matters is how he plays when it gets serious. He will have the opportunity to prove himself in April. There are real matches. Also, playing with a high percentage does not make a person the leader of the team. Shooting a basket is one thing, managing the game is another.
@@betfonte3366 %75 games were againts tank teams
@@hakanatila3950 grizzlies won games without ja, the diffence with the rockets is 1 man carrying a team to a win, remove green and replace with alpi against okc game, rockets lose cuz okc kept hitting 3s and alpi will just score 2 points everytime also green gets hammered everytime so if it was alpi he wont stop complaining against refs. You say teams dont have their stars but rockets dont have a bonafide star and missing 3 players who contribute at least 30 points all 8 games of the win streak. Jalen draws 3 players that leaves a lot of people open and he defends well against opponents
@@hakanatila3950 grizzlies won games without ja, the diffence with the rockets is 1 man carrying a team to a win, remove green and replace with alpi against okc game, rockets lose cuz okc kept hitting 3s and alpi will just score 2 points everytime also green gets hammered everytime so if it was alpi he wont stop complaining against refs. You say teams dont have their stars but rockets dont have a bonafide star and missing 3 players who contribute at least 30 points all 8 games of the win streak. Jalen draws 3 players that leaves a lot of people open and he defends well against opponents
The only difference between the Hawks & Rockets is…Proceeds to name several things lol😂
This is a media talking point and narrative. The numbers dont support that they are a detriment to each others game. Worse case scenario Sengun completely defers to Jalen which isnt hard for Sengun. Sengun is a unselfish player who wants to be utilized in a way that benefits the team, not himself. That being said there wont be any trades being made reguarding green or sengun. They are generational talents that anyone would want on there squad period. A center who can pass and create for himself and others as well? Please. If the Rockets front office messed with this core not only will they be one of the most hated they would also be one of the perceived stupidest. There is nobody that they can trade for right now thats a better fit for what they are doing than what they already have. Period.
jalen green with sengun: +0.69 Jalen green without sengun: +5.59 Sengun without green: +4.32 are you sure buddy?
@@united-statesdhhs6278 I'm positive. The reason why Jalen is doing better is his clutch and 2nd half efficiency. Jalen had ample opportunity to score earlier in the season and he just didn't and people were even questioning his shot selection, facts is that Alperun isn't a ball hog and he isn't slow as some people keep trying to suggest. He's methodical but he isn't slow, he has so many chase down blocks. On the other hand Jalen has also elevated his defense.
The team itself has been playing better for the final stretch of the season it's just unfortunate that Sengun went down early in the streak. Jalen had been averaging 26 a game on efficient shooting before sengun went out. They were 4-1.
Alpy got injured in the last minute of their 5th win in a row so rockets were rolling. Jalen also is being considered for player of the month meaning hes been balling well before alperen went down. HOWEVER, there is something they need to figure out between the two young stars because I've seen on multiple occasions jalen would lay down while alpy took the reigns. Jalen needs to find a way to challenge alpy for the keys and hopefully both them fighting for supremacy will translate to both them Ballin at the same time
The Rockets only had a 1-game winning streak when Sengun went down.
So, what the hell you talking about?
@@judarod1 2 games idiot, they were like 4-1 then 9-0 w/o sengun so 4-1 was againt suns kings clippers
Want to win a championship, Sengun has to be on your roster! Everyone is talking about how great Green is doing! He’s doing AMAZING!! But Have yall seen what the Thompson twin is doing? He’s Shawn Marion + Teyshawn Prince without a jumpshot! Himself and his twin brother are game breakers!
Jalen is a high volume scorer, he’s important for a franchise BUT, championships are not won by those kinda players being the 1A! That’s the Zach Lavine type! It’s exciting and looks promising but it rarely leads to championships!
Respectfully, jalen green is a jamal murray type of scorer, not a zach Levine. Jalen green is leading the rockets to a potential playoff berth. Senguns best effort has them 7 games below 500. The rockets need to trade sengun if they want to contend
@@krisxchirbas9503 dumb ... sengun win his games when jalen was %20 fg in 30 attempts , and he won againts nugget kings suns etc..
Always pushing a narrative,they’ll be great together.
They can make it happen . Jalen green is finally growing up .man gone be a father. Sengun.need play better defense. Remember my dad telling me I need get a job at 20 years old in college. He not taken care my responsibilities.
problem is not alpi and green's co-existence, alpi doesnt stealing much from green, problem is alpi-van vleet and green's co-existence. when van vleets guiding job done as a vet for rockets or udoka decides they are good enough, the starting will evolve to alpi-green-amen while green taking vv's role (and hopefully matured enough with his game)
Lazy take bro y’all ain’t watching the rockets like bro
They can play together guys. Why can’t they! One is a center and the other is a shooting guard
Not a chance do you trade either of them !!!!
Is this can Jalen and Sengun coexist debate taking over the Lebron vs Jordon debate lol
Who on the Rockets staff was even talking about a trade?
The problem with this take is, Green will again slump to start next year and won't wake up until after the all-star break. He's done this the last two years. Take off the first half of the season, the ball out the 2nd half. These two players compliment each other and will be just fine.
lol what a lazy analysis
@@sjchac what a lazy comment
@@reaction3268 you literally copied what I said
You crazy if you think we splitting them up. We got the league so scared now 😭😭😭😭
If im the rockets im looking to trade sengun. Hes good, but he cant play at the pace green plays which has been a big part of what makes the rockets great recently
Why’re these guys allowed on ESPN? My neighbor’s 10th grader has better takes. Give him a sofa and mic and it’d be way more interesting than whatever this is
Wars could use a guy like sengun real bad
Guys you cut off the person about to talk. He's not even got any sentence made, should have at least give a panel of 1.5 minutes each round robin.
Play team ball and not one on one iso ball and they can work. Maybe that's on the coach 🤷🏾♂️
I think they can
As a GSW fan, I would love to see Sengun in the team. I think he will suit the team very well.
As a Rockets fan, me too! He's slowing us down BIG TIME
Look at the best games the grizzlies had, seriously, they hammered nearly every team or lost in closing, adams dillon ja bane and jaren. Avg +/- of 29 in one game. And they won with a 73 point defecit. Sengun is a better jaren, jalen is a taller ja, dillon is dillon and fred is similar to bane, if they get their defend right its going to be different.
They were running the offense thru Sengun because Jalen wasn’t ready. Jalen is showing he is ready to be the primary and Sengun is selfless and smart enough to adjust to Jalen.
GO MAVS!!!!!
That’s dope they sold their show for a ESPN Pod
would Jalen Brunson reached his full potential if he stayed on the Mavericks?
That stuff doesn’t matter with Sengun the offense is slow paced the teams numbers are up now because of the pace they’re more athletic without Sengun . Nobody wants to see a slow pace team where Jabari suffers Thompson suffers.
You are right! but in todays NBA does it really matter?Look at Jokic or Luca(This is definetly not a comparison. Sengun and Green are baby yet) are they fast?No. This kid is still young JG is young also. Why give out your nukes when you found your gatling gun?Important thing is winning. Ime will porably find a formula. If not then we will see...
I don’t think these guys watch any Rockets games 😂
I subscribed because your videos are super cool!
If you can't play with a passing big-man of Sengun's calabur then you may be more of the problem than the solution! He is only going to get better and he has limitations because he is not athletic, he has already got better masking and even fixing his game to become a better scorer, and I don't know if he will reach the levels of Jokic, but if he doesn't he should get close... Witch means you should be able to play with another big time scorer (if he's efficient) and several more guys that can fill up the scorers sheet.
At this point I'd be focused on Jalen Green and Amen Thompson! This is the best brand of basketball the Rockets played all year. Definitely not a coincidence Sengun isn't in the line up
I’d rather trade Jalen and keep Sengun if it had to come down to it
As a rockets fan I think it depends on amen thompson, cause when sengun is on the floor then the spacing is worse and if that affects amen thompson's game then maybe it wouldn't be so smart to keep him (of course would need 3-5 frps minimum along with a star player).
ESPN is always right on making wrong takes.
Alpi and Jalen are bomb together. Espn realizes the rockets are becoming to powerful, and with Alpi they’d be unstoppable, so they tryna rig the sheet to keep the rockets down. Green Alpi Jabari are the holy trinity of this rockets generation. All three of them MUST stay.
No Alpi Jalen Green average almost 30 Alpi,Fred,pick for Ja Morant be great trade
jordan=pippen
lebron-kyrie
lebron-wade
shaq-kobe
lebron=ad
curry-kd
thats mix and match, G-F-C that worked, why do you think JG and AS cant coexist with each other? and 1 has to go?🤦♂ this take is premature
Jgreen the best in rockets
would you keep Jgreen and trade sengun? If it were me im doing everything to keep them both here and build a team around those two players to win consistently over the next 3-5 years
too early to talk about a move decision. let the young players find a way to work together. Udoka would surely find a way.
All dude did was repeat himself during his whole take…. Smh
Contradicts his own take too much lol “if one becomes average or below average when the other plays, then you need to make decisions” “if you look at the numbers of his stats they drop when they play together” “well Jalen Green needs to dribble dribble dribble” but then changes up and says well I mean he can go in the offseason and work on it, he’s not used to Sengun playing at this level. Exactly why dude is a critic not a GM lol
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Yes Trade Both
GO MAVS AND BEANTOWN BOMBERS!! mavs and Cs in finals buddy boy! Rockets wont score more that 100 points today
Jalen is typical MJ, KB mold. Needs iso dribbles to get in rhythm.
This is a legitimate conversation..not if sengun needs to be traded though. Who’s going to be getting no.1 shots..&& if we’re going to play “hot man” gets majority of the shots..how to keep Jalen playing so well.
Sengun it's too limited of a player to be flexible. It's exactly why they tried to get Brook Lopez at the beginning of the year. You're almost forced to play a certain style with Sengun. He can't shoot meaning no floor spacing. On top of that he's undersized, and not a good rim protector. With Jalen, and the rest of the team has seen in these last 9 games without him it opens things up. They're able to switch everything defensively and play free with more spacing
These people obviously are not watching the Rockets. embarrassing stuff ESPN.
They can coexist stop the shenanigans 😂you can try all you want to get alpi or jalen we not going for it. When they hate they hate hard
Shaq and Kobe, Shaq and Penny, Shaq and D Wade, Hakeem and Clyde, Joker and Murray, Dumb argument. They ain't trading either one. Bunch of idiots. 😂
Who are these randoms and casuals? Please get rid of these dudes. No one knows them
Why we gotta trade our two top guys? Didnt sabonis and fox coexist.... smh these guys dont watch the Rockets lol
click bait topic.
Why these dudes talking about a team they know nothing about.. ignorant take!
The problem is……..
next year is the last year of those two rookie contracts.
If im Jalen Green the only thing that will make me a rocket is a max contract,,why would i stay in a team who doesnt want me?
(After trying to trade him to the Nets)
Jalen will remember when those offers come.
If you can't say senguns name right then yall can't even realistically talk about them. I stopped watching this video after that
This is super lazy, they are 22 and 21....they will learn have to play off each other! You need 2 stars
man this guy has no clue i swear…
This is dumb, and the Rockets are going to be dumb if they give up on either of Jalen or Segun. Have both, Ime is going to make them work. These one guy can't co-exist with one another take is stupid.
This is a terrible take. You can tell they don’t watch the Rockets.
Jalen green is the best 3 to 5 yrs now houston will be championship contender trade shengun asap and get kai sotto !
Who the hell are these guys
I desperately urge ppl who give sports takes to watch games in depth before making a take
van vleet useless
He’s having career highs. Crazy statement
No he's not 😂 I would love to see the Rockets go deep in the playoffs this year like right now because this is ridiculous
Sengun is overrated! Everyone is looking for the next Jokic. Sengun and Sabonis ain’t it! Their defense is horrible and not efficient on offense. Can’t win big with either on of them
Thank you. A lot of these certain guys get passes when it comes to playing defense. Sengun doesn't rebound well enough to get the kind of pass he gets. Amen is a better defender and rebounder than Sengun that's the real reason why the Rockets are playing like this.
Such a boring group to listen to. Just made this comment then closed the video
This a false narrative being pushed. Mainstream def doesn’t pay attention to the Rockets. Very uninformed take here fellas.
sengun should be traded ,hes holding back jalen green
Please don't talk basketball
Lebron should be traded. He's holding AD back
You should be traded to the hard helmet squad.
@@darealliljable bro as soon as Lebron don't play Lakers win and AD goes off. They had their best wins without Lebron. AD a top 3 player when Lebron don't play facts
@@bjrnthebootybandit see with LeBron he's just kind of more someone who always wants to execute the offesense instead of letting the young core grow and your insane center ball out LeBron has to make things about LeBron. I feel sorry for the Lakers because they got some talent that they can't fully use.
Sengun overrated, been saying thils all year.. sengun can't play with anybody because he caht shoot... this csuses spacing issues for drivers
Amen cant shoot. Londale cant shoot. Sengun played at all star level and dropped 45 on Wemby. You a black supremacist. If Kobe/Gasol, Fox/Sabonis can play together why can't they?
@@bjrnthebootybandit Amen more versatile than Sengun on both offense and defense. With Sengun you have to dumb down your schemes because of his limitations... Why can't they? Or why didn't they? Btw, how can I be a black supremacists when my wife Turkish
Exact my guy. I been seeing this bogus unintelligent narrative. 100% Dude us some kind of Supremacist when he can't give Sengun his flowers. Sengun is nice. This guy is mentally ill. He keeps trying to slander what's already a top 10 center in the league. Not only did he drop 45 on wembys head, wemby only had 10 points. 😂 These guys should be ashamed of themselves.
@@djmill8000bruh u are sick. You keep reporting my comments or what?
Your wrong and the play of the team will show you. You have no respect for what's real only how you feel. Ok Dj
I think they can