How To Install Detroit Speed's Subframe Connectors For The 1982-92 Camaro/Firebird
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- Watch as we walk you through the installation of Detroit Speed's Subframe Connectors for the 1982-92 Chevy Camaro and Pontiac Firebird.
Detroit Speed's subframe connectors are fabricated from 1-1/2" x 2-1/2" x .083" wall steel tubing and increase the car's stiffness by connecting front and rear torque box structures. They also function as a side jacking rail. The connectors do not hang lower than the rocker pinch flange so ground clearance is unaffected. They provide a nice mounting structure for roll cage installations as well. Laser cut brackets are included to attach the front and rear of the connector tubes to the torque box structures. Includes new seat belt brackets that are stronger than stock and provide mounting points for the stock belt system or a race style lap belt.
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These are the best thought out SFC's I've ever seen in my life. I know whom I'm going with when I get ready to tackle mine!!!!!!!
back in the day i added a pair to my 91.
I 100 percent agree these should be added to ANY camaro. even a daily driven street car. even just driving down the road you can feel the change in the car. massivly better. i didnt use this kit. mi e were a bolt in setup that i also welded after bolting. they fit without having to cut anything. but i also welded them in places along the pinch weld.
VASTLY better ride and chassis stiffness. i added mine to beef up the rear suspension mounts as i was egging out the lca mount holes. ( slicks with over 800 hp ) it was also makin small ceacks in the paint just behind the doorjam at the top of the rear of the door area from the twist. this was 19 years ago
I need subframe connectors too. I'm the third owner of a 89 350 tpi t top car. I want to be able to put more power into her but need to do this first.
@@backyardbuck6362 well worth it buddy... the whe car will drive better.. even on a straight road... as long as they tie into the rear suspension mounts.. and go all the way to the front and close to or tie I to the front subframe... that way the rear suspension is pushing on the entire car..not just 2 bolt holes... I was wrinkling my paint and oblonging the rear suspension holes... haha God man good times
Man I'm terrified to do this but I need to do my floors anyways so... here we go!
It's not as bad as it looks! Follow the template and you'll do great.
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That harbor freight ratchet tho. My favorite in my box
I can't wait to order my set!
This looks a lot shorter than the other kits I have seen. I suspect it is a lot lighter too.
Does one still jack the car up at the pinch welds, or do the subgrame connectors create better jacking points?
Jason, with the subframe connectors installed in all of our vehicles, we use them as jacking points.
after mine were installed ( dufferent brand ) this was almost 20 years ago. i used the subframes as jacking points.
sure does make it nice to be able to put a jack anywhere you want to
Thanks for putting up the install video, the installation manual is a little lacking in some areas
My "Primal Fear" with this or anything similar is the advent of rust, is there anything you can do to minimise this? I see rust coming from inside the newly welded connectors and under the plates to the torque boxes!
Dave, if you prep correctly and apply a rust inhibitor or epoxy after installation, rust will not be an issue.
Ok, it just seems likely, and I didn't see you do anything (that I could see) so I asked.
This is awesome but us weekend warriors don't always have miller welders .
Good evening sir. May i ask what the price is to have this done to a 1989 f body at yor facility?
if i bought this kit. is this something that you could installed in the North Carolina shop?
You would have to contact our Project Manager about product installation here at the shop. If you are interested, I can put you in touch with him.
Detroit Speed, Inc. This something i might be looking into in about a year.
Let us know!
Would a subframe connector be necessary for an LS3 swap in a 84 Z28. What damage or stress would happen if one didn't do this
Adding more power and driving the car hard will just flex the car's unibody construction. The more solid feel and function of subframe connectors can even be essential on a factory powerplant with spirited driving. We highly recommend these for your swap.
How does the carpet fit after this install? Looks like a pre molded carpet wouldn’t work so well.
We were able to re-install the carpet on our car with no issue.
The carpet does not form fit that area. Factory that area has a wire loom cover that intrudes into that area higher than the SFC would. the carpet floats over the area to make a smooth transition to the door sill plates just the same as it did before. The wiring would be a bigger concern as the square plastic tube needs to go and lay the wires on the floor or use smaller plastic loom.
Excellent video. However, your coil springs are different to mine as yours has a shaft inside the coil spring. What did you use to spread the openings for the A arms to the frame?
Those are adjustable coil springs you can adjust the softness or stiffness of them
I wonder why they don't have any install videos for 70-81 camaros
I like the overall design. I've watched this video several times now and one thing that stands out to me is the large gaps between the doubler plates and the car body. Is there room in the kit to trim some for a tighter fit?
Are you referring to the doubler plates on the underside of the car?
yes. it appears there is a bit of a gap around the edges and also some distance to fill in the plug weld holes
All gaps around the doubler plates are supposed to be welded to the body. Keep in mind that since the vehicles are uni-body there may be some variances between vehicles. As far as the plug welds, they are to be hammered into place as close as you can possibly get to the body and fill from there. I hope this has cleared up your concerns.
Is this good for a high power drag application?
Yes, this kit would be perfect for that.
With more welding along the pinch welds of the car and going through the floor, our kit offers a significant increase in strength from other kits. Our kit ties into more of the car's structure.
I have T top 3rd gen with about 600hp... will these sub connectors keep the car from twisting under the motors power?
They will definitely help
Why didn't this just come standard for the vehicle
Is this the same installation on a t top car?
Have you tried to install this on a convertible ?
Are these installed with the suspension loaded or unloaded?
This is an installation that we recommend you have the suspension loaded.
So basically you've made a "kit" that isn't a kit because it requires it to be done by your fully equipped fabrication shop? What about this makes it superior to the Spohn, UMI or BMR kits? The amount of labor alone would be a massive cost.
This kit has been installed numerous times by our customers in their garage. It can be done with some cutoff wheels and a welder. Offering a kit that is weld in allows for much more structural rigidity and it also will serve as a safe jacking point on the car.
@@detroitspeed My bad, some of the other comments led me to believe it was only installed at your shop. But, as far as the other question goes, UMI, BMR and Spohn are all Weld in kits too, and you don't need to cut into your car after gutting it to install it. Those kits can also be used as a jacking point. So what precisely makes yours worth the immensely increased labour?
@@ariyanadumon4549 With more welding along the pinch welds of the car and going through the floor, our kit offers a significant increase in strength from the kits mentioned. Our kit ties into more of the car's structure.
@@detroitspeed Do y'all have numbers or something to back that up? Just curious, I promise I'm not trying to break your balls over this lol. This is a genuine curiosity for me as I'm about to do my car.
@@ariyanadumon4549 There aren't any official numbers to determine body flex that we have, but structural rigidity of our DSE-Z Test Car is quite clear when we review track hot lap footage and photos. Building our subframe connectors in this manner (welding through the floor) has been a proven method for us on other vehicle platforms such as Chevy II Novas and earlier Camaros/Firebirds (1st/2nd Gen).
Where in the hell did this guy learn how to Weld ?
He needs to get his money back for his classes.
What makes you say that?
That's called stitch welding go to school to learn how to weld before commenting on someone else and his weld looked great that metal is paper thin and harder to weld than you think stop putting everyone down I know you're UA-cam certified welder and all 🤣🤣🤣🤡
That's way too much work just to install subframe connectors.
With more welding along the pinch welds of the car and going through the floor, our kit offers a significant increase in strength from the kits mentioned. Our kit ties into more of the car's structure.
A little more work that pays off.
Had this done on my 91z28. A bit of work to install but so worth it though!
loose the music. otherwise great video
There was music?
Can this guy not weld a bead???
This welding technique is useful to minimize too much heat transfer.
You people comment and tell on yourself because he's doing it by the book and your comment tells me you've never been to a welding school and you yourself don't know what you are talking about I'd hate to see your welds 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡
@@jonathanlawson4667 lol I weld for local 55.. you must’ve been the one that welded in this video.. sorry it’s not working out for you
@@hazardousgarage9546 you're a fucking idiot bud
@@jonathanlawson4667 alls I know how to do is weld bud