Great you covered this. Especially like the shots of the less often filmed interiors of the train. The interiors being what passengers experienced and remember.
I remember taking Taits to Port Melbourne in the early 1980s to go fishing on the pier. The carriages still had some of their old fancy fittings, but boy, were those things dilapidated.
I was riding the tait with my mates on that day!, I loved listening to the hum of the motors, also loved hearing its toot as it went passed Middle Brighton station while I was getting some lunch.
The Tait set is allowed to do 80, as opposed to 115 for all current electric trains. However both are obviously running well below those speeds in that clip, so it's just how they were being driven at that particular moment.
@@BaileyChap Yep, everything since the Harris has been allowed to do 115. Happens in lots of places in the outer suburbs - beyond Dandenong, St Albans, Broadmeadows, & Newport (not including the Altona line). Some onboard footage here: ua-cam.com/video/OPlVPTiKfi0/v-deo.html
Dear Martin, 1/ an enjoyable video. 2/ on your Taitset channel, you have a photo of the same Tait about 40 years apart, with a comment on the quality of the paint job.What a lot of people do not realise is the vast advance that has been made in paint formulas over the years,( one example being acrylic water based paints which may soon see the end of oil based paints, except of very specialist uses ) and modern gloss paints seem to have a noticeably higher sheen than was previously the case, plus they also retain their sheen longer, and last longer than was previously the case. I can clearly remember when Tait trains came out of a heavy overhaul at Newport ( most maintenance was actually done at Jolimont Workshops ) the restored internal polished woodwork, and the red exterior paint were a sight to behold, and gave some indication of how they must have looked in the 1920s when relatively new.3/ North Williamstown station, on the Up end of the Up / Melbourne bound platform used to have the VR's paint sample board, where each batch of paint had a card and reference number, placed on a rack to see how it weathered over time. I vaguely recall there being an article in the VR Newsletter regarding this.4/When the MURLA Underground loop trains started running, remember a conversation I had with the late Fred Gaul, Block&Signal Inspector, when I queried the safety of running Tait trains through the Loop.He responded that they are probably safer in a fire than the Blue Harris sets, due to Taits having natural materials, compared to the Harris with laminex/formica interiors, plastic and foam seats ( the Taits still generally having horsehair seats at this time), as the burning plastic would quickly give off a deadly chemical vapour, whereas the Taits' toxic fumes would be expected to take a bit longer. Fortunately, this opinion has never been put to the test ( and any chemical engineer reading this could possibly give a more detailed, and expert, opinion on this ).4/As most viewers here would be aware, the VR ( which, for the purposes of this comment includes its successors ) ran both Tait and Harris trains, which lacked automated closing doors) through the Loop for many years without people falling out of a train ( and yes, I am aware of someone doing just that at E Box), and yet we now seem to have a "public safety" need to have co-ordinated platform and train automated ( and interlocked ! ) doors to stop people falling either in front of, or out of, a train. Seems to me to be an over the top response, and a significant increase in capital, maintenance, and operating costs to prevent an extremely rare event from occurring. ( Some people regrettably seem intent on winning a Darwin Award ! ) 5/ getting back to the Tait sets, we got about 70 years service ( way beyond the anticipated 40 years), used the same electrical equipment in the 1100&E1103 class electric locomotives, recycled some of the traction motors into both Y class diesels, and 2nd series Harris trains, and moved passengers ( not customers) around the network reasonably comfortably, and in the vast majority of times, to schedule, for those 70 years. All in all, a pretty good outcome for the residents of Victoria.6/ and for those of you who think the Taits had uncomfortable seats, I would argue that from the Silver Hitachi sets onwards, seat comfort, and leg room, has been on a downward spiral, especially when hard, moulded plastic seating was a serious consideration for a while.7/ rant over, regards to all.
As a schoolboy, I loved the Tait's in summertime, riding with windows and doors open. They weren't quite so much fun on a frosty winter morning.
Great you covered this. Especially like the shots of the less often filmed interiors of the train. The interiors being what passengers experienced and remember.
I remember taking Taits to Port Melbourne in the early 1980s to go fishing on the pier. The carriages still had some of their old fancy fittings, but boy, were those things dilapidated.
brighton beach has always been an interesting station
Good stuff. Here in the UK we're a bit short of vintage EMUs...
I was riding the tait with my mates on that day!, I loved listening to the hum of the motors, also loved hearing its toot as it went passed Middle Brighton station while I was getting some lunch.
Great video mate. I was out chasing it too. It was a great day out.
I wasn't visiting my grandma on the 5th, I wish I was (she lives on the sandy line)
Nice Tait... you can really hear the flat though!
Nice video
I saw those taits go past balaclava station wating for the train and scrambled to get my phone out to take some photo and I got a few pics
Very nice mate
ooo nice ieven get faster than new one
I heard someone in the video talking about how the train was going slower than the HCMT, how fast ARE these trains allowed to go?
The Tait set is allowed to do 80, as opposed to 115 for all current electric trains. However both are obviously running well below those speeds in that clip, so it's just how they were being driven at that particular moment.
@@Taitset Hol' up, the trains can go 115 km/h? Is there anywhere they reach that regularly?
@@BaileyChap Yep, everything since the Harris has been allowed to do 115. Happens in lots of places in the outer suburbs - beyond Dandenong, St Albans, Broadmeadows, & Newport (not including the Altona line). Some onboard footage here: ua-cam.com/video/OPlVPTiKfi0/v-deo.html
Dear Martin, 1/ an enjoyable video.
2/ on your Taitset channel, you have a photo of the same Tait about 40 years apart, with a comment on the quality of the paint job.What a lot of people do not realise is the vast advance that has been made in paint formulas over the years,( one example being acrylic water based paints which may soon see the end of oil based paints, except of very specialist uses ) and modern gloss paints seem to have a noticeably higher sheen than was previously the case, plus they also retain their sheen longer, and last longer than was previously the case. I can clearly remember when Tait trains came out of a heavy overhaul at Newport ( most maintenance was actually done at Jolimont Workshops ) the restored internal polished woodwork, and the red exterior paint were a sight to behold, and gave some indication of how they must have looked in the 1920s when relatively new.3/ North Williamstown station, on the Up end of the Up / Melbourne bound platform used to have the VR's paint sample board, where each batch of paint had a card and reference number, placed on a rack to see how it weathered over time. I vaguely recall there being an article in the VR Newsletter regarding this.4/When the MURLA Underground loop trains started running, remember a conversation I had with the late Fred Gaul, Block&Signal Inspector, when I queried the safety of running Tait trains through the Loop.He responded that they are probably safer in a fire than the Blue Harris sets, due to Taits having natural materials, compared to the Harris with laminex/formica interiors, plastic and foam seats ( the Taits still generally having horsehair seats at this time), as the burning plastic would quickly give off a deadly chemical vapour, whereas the Taits' toxic fumes would be expected to take a bit longer. Fortunately, this opinion has never been put to the test ( and any chemical engineer reading this could possibly give a more detailed, and expert, opinion on this ).4/As most viewers here would be aware, the VR ( which, for the purposes of this comment includes its successors ) ran both Tait and Harris trains, which lacked automated closing doors) through the Loop for many years without people falling out of a train ( and yes, I am aware of someone doing just that at E Box), and yet we now seem to have a "public safety" need to have co-ordinated platform and train automated ( and interlocked ! ) doors to stop people falling either in front of, or out of, a train. Seems to me to be an over the top response, and a significant increase in capital, maintenance, and operating costs to prevent an extremely rare event from occurring. ( Some people regrettably seem intent on winning a Darwin Award ! ) 5/ getting back to the Tait sets, we got about 70 years service ( way beyond the anticipated 40 years), used the same electrical equipment in the 1100&E1103 class electric locomotives, recycled some of the traction motors into both Y class diesels, and 2nd series Harris trains, and moved passengers ( not customers) around the network reasonably comfortably, and in the vast majority of times, to schedule, for those 70 years. All in all, a pretty good outcome for the residents of Victoria.6/ and for those of you who think the Taits had uncomfortable seats, I would argue that from the Silver Hitachi sets onwards, seat comfort, and leg room, has been on a downward spiral, especially when hard, moulded plastic seating was a serious consideration for a while.7/ rant over, regards to all.