10:00 Josh Reynolds actually talked about this on a podcast with Jordan Sorcery. Apparently it was supposed to be a three year thing that got shortened to one. That why the writing is very uneven, he himself wrote the bulk of End Times Nagash in 3 weeks. He did not sleep much while writing that.
@nikeaddict55 that's the long and short of it ya, at least at the top level anyway. The behind the scenes of the end of fantasy and the early days of AoS is a fascinating story if you ever feel like falling down an internet rabbit hole. It's more interesting than the end times itself, in my opinion.
It's bizarre how neither of them seem to know this, communicate this, or offer a more objective look into the actual issues with the End Times that stem from basic corporate cost-cutting, crunch and GW's usual brand of mismanagement. You'd think they'd know this, being so fond of talking about the End Times and communicating why it was bad, instead of using Josh Reynolds as a stand-in punching bag for the umpteenth time. It comes off as petty and/or disingenuous, if I'm being honest. Yeah, the End Times was terrible. If you're going to spend time bitching about why you think it was to an audience who values and (inevitably) parrots the stuff you say, you owe it to them and yourselves to be responsible and fully articulate why it was terrible. You don't treat one author like The Catalyst That Ruined Everything. Honestly, always disappointed in Sotek and Andy when it comes to this stuff. It's not hard to get the information, and they've been stewing about it for a decade. Andy in particular should know better, being a writer himself and having worked for GW.
@@shiverius333 Its a bit sad that they dont adress a lot of the meta-reasons for how the end times turned, but them focusing on the writing and lore I dont see as disingenuous or uninformed. I think its just a matter of what they want to focus on in this format and what they know best. Also I dont think they put all the blame on the writers or any one writer in particular, even if they mentioned one by name more often. With 3:03:00 I think they make it clear that it is more complicated than that.
Every time you discuss this I get a stronger craving for a rewrite and extension of the end times. I don't really see GW tackling that in ages, but I wonder of there are any fan projects out there. Would be fun to read/participate in
Everything Sotek is saying at 1 hour 55… It could have played into Kroak’s backstory as the first Slann and a first gen who actually communed with the Old Ones if he a) knew that device was underneath Middenheim and b) had essentially been lingering around for this moment, even after his death all those millennia ago, so that he could deactivate or protect it, whatever, when crunch time came 😔 🐸
My wish for the End Times would have been a multi-theatre conflict where each theatre has unique conflicts whose outcome all feed into the grester conflict. Which could have shown what minor factions do, even if just as fluff or as rules without models. Like: in the Southlands you have Legions of Nagash obviously, but also Araby, Sudenburg and bretonnian colonies working together to fight of the undead. Nagash still comes out on top, but how well the others do limits Nagash power or how many armies he can sent to other theatres. Meanwhile Ulthuan is invaded by chaos, Dark Elves and undead lead by Luthor Harkon. Because the Mortarch is task to get the Vortex, which the others want to. High Elves and Lizardmen lead by Nakai and/or Kroq-gar defended Ulthuan In the Southern Old World Tilea/Estalia, Bretonia, WE and grey mountain dwarfs try to contain the worst of skavenblight, whilst Skaven and Kemmler want to push out. Such events could be done everywhere and paint a picture of a bigger conflict
Idea for an end times fish men moment: they are the ones that take down Lokhir Fellheart and reclaim the Kraken Helm when he is at the cusp of a great victory
It would have been so much better if the creation of her secret realm for the elves required tons of energy. That would have been why she was killing so many people and races through her "mistakes" but was actually using them in blood and soul magic for the energy/sacrifice for the new realm.
"They go places" - never a more truer line has been said. Glad to see you back Andy. Just pace yourself. None of us are getting younger. The only part of the End Times I sort of liked was how Vlad became a protector of the Empire and whose personality harked back to his original human Vashanesh. Personal preference I like to play TW W III with Vlad trying to preserve the Empire rather than conquer it (Done that enough times that it is no longer interesting to do).
2:11:52 When you say "all of the humans are back in the Old World" do you mean that the Old Worlder and Norscan settlers should be sent back or that all of humanity should be sent to the Old World specifically?
Honestly, this would be my preferred version of The End. About halfway through the last book, what ever it may be, Archaon has won and the world is actively coming apart. His hoards scatter to do what chaos does because he has accomplished his goal. Karl, not Sigmar, rallies the precious few people who are left in one last spite fueled attack. A “we all knew this is how it would end, so why stop fighting now” situation. Everyone who’s left dies in this battle, and Karl beats Archaon but doesn’t manage to kill him. Then the world blows up.
I wish belegar was the one who killed Skarsnik in the end times. I feel like it would be the a fitting end for him and probably tying in to why Queek Managed to defeat Belegar
Happy for Andy's recovery and also waited the whole week for this rambling! And I am curious about what you guys think about the "what if" scenario that involves Archaon warping to Middle-earth: would that spell the end of Tolkien's world, or would Gondor (and Gandalf/Elves/Dwarves) be able to withstand that doom?
Josh Reynold’s greatest strength is getting into the head and psychology of characters. I’ll always recommend the first end times novel because the chapters from perspective of Arkhan and Mannfred are fascinating. I like to see their inner dialogue and thoughts. I also wish he got to make his Abhorash novel. Agree with you on his self inserts and questionable lore changes he was going towards cough cough Mannfred is khaled muntasir and not a Von Carstein cough cough ugh!
Ok so... i have not read the end times myself, but that Mannfred is Khaled al Muntasir bit gave me an instant aneurysm. Tell me context makes it a bit better...
@@stefvanroey8191 don’t worry it was never canon. It was fairly obvious he was going towards that conclusion with the blood of Nagash novels but they got cancelled when AoS was released
With the vortex shutdown and the world flooded with magic, how would this affect the wizards that have a poisonous relationship with magic such as Chaos Dwarf sorcerers and Skaven Seers, should these have turned up as mostley stone in the end times ?
While Kabanda was wrong as big bad I really don´t think Skarbrand should have been either. Khorne would not allow Skarbrand to lead his forces, Skarbrand will never be forgiven or entrusted. In fact I think they could have doubled down on that. Let the Bloodthirsters compete for the honour, Skarbrand wins but Khorne still does not let him lead it.
The End Times. Older I get, the more I hate it. Wish I could say something else about it honestly but frankly I think it's just a bad product that gets more attention then it deserves. Fun stream though.
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Andy was the real Pox Fulcrum all along.
10:00 Josh Reynolds actually talked about this on a podcast with Jordan Sorcery. Apparently it was supposed to be a three year thing that got shortened to one. That why the writing is very uneven, he himself wrote the bulk of End Times Nagash in 3 weeks. He did not sleep much while writing that.
ua-cam.com/video/GJFxjB0JgiI/v-deo.htmlsi=rtVRqnnrZPnyBxj0 for those that have not seen it.
Ah, so corporate ineptitude and a desire to squeeze as much profit as possible ruined everything? A tale as old as time
@nikeaddict55 that's the long and short of it ya, at least at the top level anyway. The behind the scenes of the end of fantasy and the early days of AoS is a fascinating story if you ever feel like falling down an internet rabbit hole. It's more interesting than the end times itself, in my opinion.
It's bizarre how neither of them seem to know this, communicate this, or offer a more objective look into the actual issues with the End Times that stem from basic corporate cost-cutting, crunch and GW's usual brand of mismanagement. You'd think they'd know this, being so fond of talking about the End Times and communicating why it was bad, instead of using Josh Reynolds as a stand-in punching bag for the umpteenth time. It comes off as petty and/or disingenuous, if I'm being honest.
Yeah, the End Times was terrible. If you're going to spend time bitching about why you think it was to an audience who values and (inevitably) parrots the stuff you say, you owe it to them and yourselves to be responsible and fully articulate why it was terrible. You don't treat one author like The Catalyst That Ruined Everything. Honestly, always disappointed in Sotek and Andy when it comes to this stuff. It's not hard to get the information, and they've been stewing about it for a decade. Andy in particular should know better, being a writer himself and having worked for GW.
@@shiverius333
Its a bit sad that they dont adress a lot of the meta-reasons for how the end times turned, but them focusing on the writing and lore I dont see as disingenuous or uninformed. I think its just a matter of what they want to focus on in this format and what they know best.
Also I dont think they put all the blame on the writers or any one writer in particular, even if they mentioned one by name more often. With 3:03:00 I think they make it clear that it is more complicated than that.
Drago is a psyker, all grey knights are psykers, to that donation that came up and said he wasnt.
This is why the Grey Knights are absolutely terrifying
man the image of a end game type moment but with all the warhammer races showing up in middenheim facing down endless hordes bring a tear to my eye.
Every time you discuss this I get a stronger craving for a rewrite and extension of the end times. I don't really see GW tackling that in ages, but I wonder of there are any fan projects out there. Would be fun to read/participate in
Oh my god… It totally hadn’t clicked until now that all the sleeping Ulthuani dragons presumably just drowned! 😢
Everything Sotek is saying at 1 hour 55… It could have played into Kroak’s backstory as the first Slann and a first gen who actually communed with the Old Ones if he a) knew that device was underneath Middenheim and b) had essentially been lingering around for this moment, even after his death all those millennia ago, so that he could deactivate or protect it, whatever, when crunch time came 😔 🐸
So happy to see andy is doing better and able to roast the end times
My wish for the End Times would have been a multi-theatre conflict where each theatre has unique conflicts whose outcome all feed into the grester conflict. Which could have shown what minor factions do, even if just as fluff or as rules without models.
Like: in the Southlands you have Legions of Nagash obviously, but also Araby, Sudenburg and bretonnian colonies working together to fight of the undead. Nagash still comes out on top, but how well the others do limits Nagash power or how many armies he can sent to other theatres.
Meanwhile Ulthuan is invaded by chaos, Dark Elves and undead lead by Luthor Harkon. Because the Mortarch is task to get the Vortex, which the others want to. High Elves and Lizardmen lead by Nakai and/or Kroq-gar defended Ulthuan
In the Southern Old World Tilea/Estalia, Bretonia, WE and grey mountain dwarfs try to contain the worst of skavenblight, whilst Skaven and Kemmler want to push out.
Such events could be done everywhere and paint a picture of a bigger conflict
Idea for an end times fish men moment: they are the ones that take down Lokhir Fellheart and reclaim the Kraken Helm when he is at the cusp of a great victory
29:14 josh reynolds
32:40 dragon demigryph
35:54 is not tw andy
38:50 mistranslation
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46:54 49:56 54:10 57:00 59:43 1:03:00 1:05:39 Lileath background, ladrielle
1:10:39 teclis, make a car crash
1:16:10 nooo we're not tricked trust me
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1:18:00 1:23:48 1:26:16 1:28:00 1:33:15 space-elf-thing exist?!, Pox fulcrum, ka'bandha
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1:37:30 cleaning
1:39:40 ghorst
FYI - Warhammer Vault has PDFs of the End Times books, so you can find the art there
It would have been so much better if the creation of her secret realm for the elves required tons of energy. That would have been why she was killing so many people and races through her "mistakes" but was actually using them in blood and soul magic for the energy/sacrifice for the new realm.
Glad your feeling better Andy!
We all know that the end times should have gone exactly like your last game of "Chaos in the Old World".
Absolutely. Tzeentch won, btw.
@@LAWhammer Tzeentch winning makes so much sense, who else would want to destroy the old world so that something new could be built.
"They go places" - never a more truer line has been said.
Glad to see you back Andy. Just pace yourself. None of us are getting younger.
The only part of the End Times I sort of liked was how Vlad became a protector of the Empire and whose personality harked back to his original human Vashanesh. Personal preference I like to play TW W III with Vlad trying to preserve the Empire rather than conquer it (Done that enough times that it is no longer interesting to do).
Welcome back Andy!
Brilliant Return thanks so much Guys . Take care Andy
Yeah!!! Best birthday present ever
Omg I’ve been waiting for this!
2:11:52 When you say "all of the humans are back in the Old World" do you mean that the Old Worlder and Norscan settlers should be sent back or that all of humanity should be sent to the Old World specifically?
Honestly, this would be my preferred version of The End.
About halfway through the last book, what ever it may be, Archaon has won and the world is actively coming apart. His hoards scatter to do what chaos does because he has accomplished his goal. Karl, not Sigmar, rallies the precious few people who are left in one last spite fueled attack. A “we all knew this is how it would end, so why stop fighting now” situation. Everyone who’s left dies in this battle, and Karl beats Archaon but doesn’t manage to kill him. Then the world blows up.
no Archaon wins and sigmar gets slapped
I wish belegar was the one who killed Skarsnik in the end times. I feel like it would be the a fitting end for him and probably tying in to why Queek Managed to defeat Belegar
welcome back andy!
13:03 like henry 'lionheart'
Happy for Andy's recovery and also waited the whole week for this rambling! And I am curious about what you guys think about the "what if" scenario that involves Archaon warping to Middle-earth: would that spell the end of Tolkien's world, or would Gondor (and Gandalf/Elves/Dwarves) be able to withstand that doom?
Josh Reynold’s greatest strength is getting into the head and psychology of characters. I’ll always recommend the first end times novel because the chapters from perspective of Arkhan and Mannfred are fascinating. I like to see their inner dialogue and thoughts. I also wish he got to make his Abhorash novel. Agree with you on his self inserts and questionable lore changes he was going towards cough cough Mannfred is khaled muntasir and not a Von Carstein cough cough ugh!
Ok so... i have not read the end times myself, but that Mannfred is Khaled al Muntasir bit gave me an instant aneurysm. Tell me context makes it a bit better...
@@stefvanroey8191 don’t worry it was never canon. It was fairly obvious he was going towards that conclusion with the blood of Nagash novels but they got cancelled when AoS was released
@@Vulpes89 oof, that twist would heve been terrible
With the vortex shutdown and the world flooded with magic, how would this affect the wizards that have a poisonous relationship with magic such as Chaos Dwarf sorcerers and Skaven Seers, should these have turned up as mostley stone in the end times ?
We're so back!
Funny enough that SW III is the single best mobve in the entire SW franchise!😂
Warhammer is about war? Damn... I thought it was about hammers all these years.
Just found out I may be getting a divorce soon. Thankfully I have a good podcast and whiskey to chill over.
Sorry king
I like some of the lore in the new dwarf player guide lol but some of it really is fucking weird. Still looking forward to the high elf book.
Superchats finally end at 42:54
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While Kabanda was wrong as big bad I really don´t think Skarbrand should have been either. Khorne would not allow Skarbrand to lead his forces, Skarbrand will never be forgiven or entrusted. In fact I think they could have doubled down on that. Let the Bloodthirsters compete for the honour, Skarbrand wins but Khorne still does not let him lead it.
The End Times. Older I get, the more I hate it.
Wish I could say something else about it honestly but frankly I think it's just a bad product that gets more attention then it deserves.
Fun stream though.
Of course Mazdamundi is genocidal, all the best Warhammer characters are!
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