Curses NEVER Were About Race In The Book of Abraham? Egyptologist John Thompson E0017
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- Curses NEVER Were About Race In The Book of Abraham, Bible etc? | Egyptologist John Thompson E0017
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Dr. Thompson tackles a topic that's often misunderstood: the concept of "curses" within sacred texts, especially regarding Latter-day Saint teachings. With clarity and insight, he explains that what some might interpret as racial curses in scripture, like those mentioned in the Book of Abraham, is about something entirely different.
John S. Thompson is an acclaimed Egyptologist with a rich background in ancient scriptures and modern religious studies, including a Ph.D. from the University of Pennsylvania. Dr. Thompson has dedicated his life to exploring the depths of ancient Egyptian culture and the Hebrew Bible. He has served in diverse religious communities and even participated on Harvard's executive board of university chaplains.
The Book of Abraham, sometimes misused to support racial worldviews within Latter-day Saint history, actually discusses "curses" in terms of legal disinheritance, not racial inferiority. These "curses" imply a temporary loss of spiritual blessings or inheritance due to non-compliance with divine laws, applicable to anyone regardless of race.
This interpretation clarifies Joseph Smith's revelations, highlighting that divine blessings are inherited through adherence to covenantal lineage, as seen in ancient scriptures and modern practices like temple sealings.
Understanding these concepts helps avoid misinterpretations of sacred texts, emphasizing that spiritual disinheritance is reversible through gospel obedience. This concise understanding encourages and focuses on universal themes of redemption and the potential for all to inherit divine promises.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 - Intro
01:01 - "What happens is we blind ourselves with our own constructions."
02:56 - Assumption One: Generational curses denying priesthood in the Book of Abraham must be a relic of Joseph Smith’s modern American-influenced racism
03:30 - Assumption Two: Generational curses appearing in the Book of Abraham and other scripture, being unjust, are not actually generational curses
04:39 - Anciently, "Cursing oftentimes is associated with the concept of inheritance."
18:29 - "Where is possible that we did off track?" | Understanding Abraham Chapter One
23:35 - Inheriting Priesthood and Land in The Bible in Connection to Curses
26:50 - Inheriting Priesthood and Land in Joseph Smith's Revelations in Connection to Curses
28:58 - What does the Book of Abraham Actually Say?
35:48 - Repairing Our Family Lines
44:30 - "This family exaltation not individual exaltation"
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John Thompson's Paper “Being of that Lineage: "Generational Curses and Inheritance in the Book of Abraham"
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THE OPINIONS EXPRESSED REPRESENT THE VIEWS OF THE INDIVIDUAL CREATORS AND GUESTS ALONE AND DO NOT NECESSARILY REPRESENT THE OFFICIAL POSITION OF SCRIPTURE CENTRAL OR THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.
...the generational curse my family has (& a cycle I chose to cease)...is the fact that my dad was alcoholic...& both his parents were alcoholic...I have siblings who are alcoholic...i joined The Church of JESUS CHRIST of latter-day Saints, & raised my children in the church...(but still one is alcoholic)...we CHOOSE to turn from the curses we inherit physically by "binding (ourselves) to Jesus Christ" who will turn "all things" for our good...GOD is GOOD to us all...
OUTSTANDING! Thank You for sharing the hard facts and truth of faith in God thru His Son for deliverance from our vices and sins of the flesh.
Are u suggesting that race is an inherited curse?
....race is a "social construction"...people considered of a "black" race can have "white" skin, while people considered of a "white" race can have "black" skin...the "COLOR" of our SPIRITS, is what matters...the most damning of "generational curses" are the ones we "pass on to our children" "in the filthiness of the world" they learn by sad example....(& most often by those they live with)...GOD loves EACH of His children in such a way that when they turn to Him He ALWAYS IS TRUE .... the obedient children are, however, favored...& why is that?...it's obvious...the child who is obedient is given more freedom, more trust, greater blessings....because of their actions...EVERY SOUL HAS THE SAME OPPORTUNITY WITH THE CREATOR...☮️...so when we choose ANYTHING above HIM we err..& then what?...God offers a "way for our escape" through a great GIFT called repentance...of which I have benefited GREATLY by utilizing often daily since I found Him..."prove ME NOW herewith, & see if I will not OPEN THE WINDOWS OF HEAVEN & pour you out a blessing that there will not be ROOM ENOUGH to receive" He says...I took His challenge seriously & it is the best decision I EVER MADE..God, the Father of us all...truly loves His children...❇️❇️❇️❇️❇️❇️❇️❇️❇️❇️❇️❇️❇️
I think the thing being missed here is that the book of Abraham is still being considered scripture. It’s been proven a hoax.
@@tombenjamin3685 ...Joseph Smith was a prophet of God...HOWEVER God chose to reveal certain truths through His prophet, is miraculous to me - I have received certain personal revelation[s] from God, that, if I were to explain the means by which they were received, could look to to others to not make sense at all...the words of The Book of Abraham came from God...WHAT was received outweighs HOW it was received...BY FAITH we can "know the truth of all things...Albert Einstein spoke of TWO WAYS to go through life: #1 go through & see that NOTHING is a miracle, or #2 go through & see EVERYTHING is a miracle...your choice...I choose EVERYTHING is a miracle...pray to GOD to know the truth of things instead of looking to so-called "smart people" who, in comparison, KNOW very little...
A curse is more like a consequence. When Samuel predicted that king David’s sin would have an effect on his posterity, it wasn’t God or Samuel chanting some magical curse on him. He was just telling him that because he screwed up, family drama would inevitably come.
Stephen, you were my seminary teacher in high school. Thanks for being such a good example of faith and charity to me, I love what you're doing with this channel.
Thank you, Benjamin. You were at Olympus, right? Good to hear from you, my friend. I hope life is amazing.
This is one of the BEST explanations of the “curse” that I have ever heard! The mark of the skin may have been an identifier for distinction, but the mark is NOT the curse, the loss of authority of the priesthood is the curse.
You must have not read the book fully. If the mark " skin of darkness" was removed when the people because righteous how is that skin of darkness not a curse?
@@holyroller4391 well it’s a mark to differentiate…when it’s removed it’s because the covenant is restored.
@@Profreedom386 differentiate or not it's a curse, and when the curse is lifted so is the mark. It's the same thing. You can't logically separate the mark from the curse, because it's simply another attribute to the curse. Wisdom of the wise and trying to make everyone feel warm and fuzzy inside is the reason this wokism is taking us over.
@@holyroller4391 I couldn’t agree more that wokeism is a HUGE issue. But like it’s pointed out here, are we using OUR definition of cursed? Or God’s? According to this explanation the definition is loss of the priesthood line and inheritance. The Church has stated that race is irrelevant. Church membership records do not notate race. So if we believe that the prophet when speaking in this capacity is declaring that it’s not about race, will you sustain it? And as a black member of the Church, wouldn’t it hurt to feel like you were “cursed” by something you cannot control? This truth shared here speaks to my soul and when applied to other examples of cursing both ancient and modern(look up the curse on Kirtland) this rings true!
@@holyroller4391 I completely agree that wokeism is a HUGE problem. However, if we believe our prophet to be the mouthpiece of the Lord, and they say that it’s not about race, do you believe it? Do you sustain this declaration? If so, we must let it go. The church membership records DO NOT record race. It is irrelevant. Can you empathize with a colored person of any kind who might struggle because the feel that they are “cursed” because of nothing but the way they were designed? I would think that would be painful. But if you apply GOD’s definition as it is outlined here…It makes complete sense. If the curse is the loss of the priesthood and inheritance - it should apply to both scriptural AND modern day examples. Go find out what the Kirtland curse was…and apply this definition, it’s perfect. A curse defined only by color doesn’t apply or make sense. We oftentimes are misled when we apply modern definitions to times past, often distorting the original meaning…this is prevalent today as the world applies MODERN definitions to yesterday’s cultures. I invite you to apply this definition elsewhere and you’ll have eyes to see.
I think a lot of people have missed the point of this discussion, that when we keep our covenants we and our posterity are blessed and when the covenants are broken we are cursed by the separation that creates between us and God unless we find a way to repent and once again receive the blessings of the gospel in our families. That blessing or cursing has to do with our faithfulness individually and as families, not our looks, and though people may have had specific looks, the blessing and cursing is related to faithfulness. I thought it was an absolutely amazing discussion.
I have been scripture journaling for several years now, the second Topic the Holy Spirit told me to feast upon was the abrahamic covenant, I research on line what the Jews saw as the main points of the Abrahamic Covenant are, this is what I learned
1.Redemption
2. Priesthood
3. The gift of the Holy Spirit
4. Promised land
Listening to this episode has helped me in my understanding of the covenant, to better understand “the curse”
And our responsibility in the Priesthood and in our temple service . Wow! Thank you so much ❤❤❤❤❤
This is one of the most profound things I've learned in awhile. It connects in so many ways to the restoration. Incredible. Thank you for your work!!
You are not kidding! This is why we have a millennium so we can connect our lines of inheritance to Adam and God himself!! Wow
Wow. This really brought together a lot of puzzle pieces that have been stored in the back of my brain. Everything he said was things i already knew, but he just clicked then into place.
Stephen, when you were talking about the prodigal son, at around 39:37, you mention how the moment the prodigal son returned his father puts a *robe on him. I've never thought of this before but in the context of the priesthood being connected to inheritance it occurred to me that this robe may be symbolic of the robes of the priesthood, especially in the context of what you were just talking about with the importance of doing temple work. (If they repent, are they not brought back into the family of God and have their rights and priesthood restored? (Thinking about what happens when someone who is excommunicated repents as well))
Think of the robe as a covering as well. What does the word atonement mean? “To cover”. All very symbolic and powerful if we have eyes to see.
@@Ferg-hz6ux that's amazing, thank you for sharing this!🔥
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17:00 I have been thinking on this so much. When people leave the Church, they lose out on the rich blessings of the gospel for their kids. And then their kids often don’t learn the lessons of good morals the Church teaches.
But the learn good morals outside the church and live happy lives without killing themselves
Yes. That is true. My grandparents left the Church and my dad and his siblings did not get raised in the Church. It made a huge difference in their lives. My cousins on that side of the family had lots of problems and this was passed to the grandchildren also - very big things. I often ask myself why they didn't think this through more when they stopped going to Church.
@@ngatihine6072contrary to the r/exmormon community, There is an abundance of clinical literature stating that consistent activity in religion (LDS and otherwise) leads to lower rates of self harm. The data is clear, your opinion is false.
@@ngatihine6072They turned their back on Christ when things get hard. So, leavers are like the 'many' who left Jesus after he told them hard things.
This makes so much sense to me, especially around the concept of inheritance and how children can be ‘born in the Covenant,’ and they inherit the blessings of the Abrahamic Covenant. However, the children still need to live worthily and go onto make those covenants with the Savior on their own. Elevates the importance of Family History for me. Thank you for the discussion!
This episode started off a little slow for me and then at the 40min mark it was like “and boom goes the dynamite”. The Golden Corral iron skillet to the head moment for me as to the reason we do temple work makes so much more sense to me now and has more meaning. Thanks bro as always.
I would love to see you on an episode of Ward Radio someday
I really loved the point of temple ordinances that tie both stem and root. That there is an inheritance both forward and backwards for those who need it still.
This just brings a whole new perspective to temple work and why it has to be our ancestors in particular. Thank you.
Remember that perfection in the scriptures also connotates completeness. Therefore, when the scriptures say we cannot be perfected without our ancestors, that's because the work is incomplete, our family is incomplete and our covenant is not fully fulfilled. The scriptures also say that one day everyone will obey. Until that day the work of creation of which we are a part is ongoing in us (we are not complete / finished / perfect). Father's work is to lift us up and ennable us with all of His power that we can responsibly attain. Joining Him in His work (immortality and eternal life of man) is that celestial goal of eternal inheritance. We become the close family / kin of God and do the family's work.
Such a good interview! I’m going to have to listen a few times!
Wow through baptism we are adopted in and then eligible to inherit the priesthood
A wonderful video - inheritances - priesthood and property. What a wonderful explanation of ancient priesthood that added to my temple covenants. Thank you and well done!
I liked how you discussed inheritance somewhere within the first ten minutes. I was taught inheritance growing up, specifically of things like the priesthood and the blessings of the new and everlasting covenant. My father wasn’t a member when I was a child, so I didn’t receive it through him even in ordination, but I inherited all those blessings through my mother and her father, and as I came of age it was then ordained as well. The same framing could have applied with a member father, but I think inheritance is not necessarily what I would have been taught if I had not had a mixed-faith household.
Additionally, I find this as a priesthood power for sisters; they pass on priesthood directly, always.
This approach and discussion is very important for every generation of Latter-day Saints right now. When we believe functionally that all are alike unto God, we see more clearly and love more deeply.
That was another great interview, I learned some great insights, keep them coming 😊
❤ Really loving what you had to say here that really hit home for me. I thought about telling my Family about what I Learnedg today, And then truthfulness of what I've come to understand now burns within me.
Playfully study this point of spiritual inheritance. I have been recently wondering after a refresher of origin of priesthood in my life. And this really helps. Refreshing what I have already experienced and opening new doors to upgrading my understanding.
I hope, seek, desire that as I try to speak as I understand, that The Holy Spirit will fill my understanding more fully. Thanks again for this opportunity to Ask. Seek. Knock. Unto God.
Thanks for the way you explained inheritances anciently. My husband and I have talked about it as inheriting the priesthood and blessings of the covenants with God, not other things as well.
Great conversation!
I am so grateful for covenants and promises. We are all cursed through the great apostasy. Joseph Smith Jr. going into the the Sacred Grove to commune with the Lord was the first step to receiving our inheritance. Grateful for the temple and the covenants. I so desire to be a member of an eternal family. The Official Declaration of 1978 states that "every faithful, worthy man in the Church may receive the holy priesthood." Thank you for this discussion. I trust in God's plan for his children. We need to understand that his plan is just and he will make things right. We also need to remember we are accountable to God for our actions and unrighteous judgements of our fellow man.
Mind. Blown. This is amazing stuff and puts so many puzzle pieces together!
Beyond excellent. Thank you.
Such an awesome episode! We need to talk more about stuff like this for sure.
Thank you. Agreed.
Thank you for this conversaion.
Every Latter Day Saint needs to hear this!
This is outstanding and powerful! Thank you both, Stephen and John!
Wow, that was really inspiring and insightful on generational curses.
Mormon Yeshiva has a very clear understanding of what the skin of blackness means which ties in very nicely with covenants. Relates to the first garments made and given to Adam and Eve = costs of Skin. It the garment represents a covenant and becomes darkened? IE the skin becomes dark (which represents the covenant) it means a person is being cut off from the covenant. Not necessarily literally their pigmentation was changed
It’s talking about skin. I understand why people want to dance around this topic but it unequivocally is what is being said in the texts. A person can be righteous as an individual and still be claimed by the devil which is what the texts say.
Think of it like two different ranchers who have herds of cattle. They put their mark/brand on the cattle to indicate which ones they have legitimate claim on. Perhaps one of the cows gets out and breeds with the other ranchers bull, that calf will have the brand of the bull owner placed on the calf and expand his herd.
Oh, this was wonderful! Thankyou!
I really liked this one a lot. Thanks, fellas.
The importance of families. Eloquently put.
Loved this one!
If your seed mixes sufficiently with a group that was cut off your seed over generations becomes the race of the other group. This is how genetics works. This is how races form over time to begin with. When a group is separated and in isolation they develop a different phenotype that adapts to their diet, culture, geography, behavior, etc.
So in the context of the BOM, if Nephites breakaway and keep mixing (marrying into the Lamanite family tree) with Lamanites they will eventually become indistinguishable from Lamanites and Vice Versa. Which is exactly what we read in the BOM.
34:27 I’ve known people who had to be rebaptized or reordained because they had no certificate and the church didn’t show a record. This is similar.
Thanks for this discussion. You guys open my mind and heart to the breadth and depth of the restoration of all things!!
Finally someone who lays it out straight. I've always been perplexed when members say certain things, because it's all clearly laid out in the four standard works. The Ham's curse, the curse from the priesthood, Ham's lineage going into Egypt, etc. It's good to get the facts straight.
So glad this episode happened!
I don’t know if you edit your own videos Stephen, but whoever puts together those intro sequences is amazing at making intriguing and enticing cliff hangers to draw you to watch the whole interview.
Love John Thompson. He was my institute professor years ago when he was at UPenn
Love John, too. What I like most about him is he is meek. I believe meekness is the key to good learning and teaching.
This is fantastic insight! Thank you! ❤
Glad it was helpful!
Ancient covenants and inheritance - wow, so interesting. Thank you for this interview. 💙
My grandparents lived through the depression, so my parents were stressed and emotionally closed. I'm in counseling to make sure I don't pass that pain, that curse on to my children. It does make sense, and it's unjust now, but justice will come. It will come with the atonement and through my work.
Great video.
I also teach and study ballet and music. We talk a lot about tradition and inheritance when we study these art forms. There is even a line of authority that we trace back to the first great teachers.
Everyone is invited to study, some will do better than others, some will choose not to continue. Nit as big a deal of course to quit piano as it is to "quit" the priesthood.
Another amazing video! This gave me so much to think about!
Let me know if you have any specific questions. I can do my best to point you in the right direction.
This makes total sense with regards to the example of the select physical lineage of the Jews, who can prove their lines of authority of the Levitical Priesthood, such as the Kohenim.
Humbly thank you from South Africa
A brilliant discussion on the understanding of curses. This appears to clarify why Nephi had to return for the plates and why Laban had ro be sacrificed; so there would be a documentable record of their rights to the priesthood.
I can’t say any more than everyone else has said except, BRAVO! I WILL share this with my family.
I agree. The holy ghost showed me that the word curse is like a negative, natural consequence, not the mystical connotation the world has given it. When Nephi took his people away from Laman and his clan, Laman lost access to the priesthood and the only scriptures they had, thus generations would go without that source of light and truth. Their skin was merely like a team jersey to let everyone know they had chosen spiritual darkness over light. But that meaning was for them, today it doesn't mean that at all.
This is a deep topic and when only points are considered that seem to be connected to it then our understanding is incomplete. An individual will need to learn the Gospel expansively, with depth and breadth, and as this process continues then certain points that don't appear at first to be connected with this topic will actually end up shedding light on it.
I wonder if the increasing disobedience to the Bible and other scripture regarding the nuclear family, male/female divinity, marriage being only between a man and a woman (summarized and reiterated in the inspired words in The Family Proclamation) and shying away from the preaching of solid truth in church will necessitate a loss of priesthood access for a certain section of western culture (that is seeking acceptance from Babylon) members as punishment.
What you speak of we lost in the 20th century already. Leaving God's laws is nothing new. You were born in a wicked generation so you were acclimated to wickedness already. But I assure you it was before your time. They didn't confer the priesthood for almost an entire generation. That's solidified it
What does that even mean?
@@livinthedream4479 you must of read it to fast. Pretty simple, we've been sinning grievously for longer now than anyone here even realizes. Just read Brigham's famous last discourse, or nearly any of them for that matter. Things aren't getting better, they've only been getting worse for the last several generations
@@holyroller4391You are correct. Ether 4, 2nd Nephi 27, Isaiah 24:1-6 all confirm our current corrupted state.
@@Avoicecyringinthesuburbs what sum's is up is the devil deluding the people to believe the commandments are up to there own interpretation. Jesus fought against the same lies. It's pretty simple if you love me keep my commandments. Not man's commandments, but God's. Fear has left the people and judgement has been done away with. God loves all is the rule of the day. Worse thing is even if we wanted to keep His commandments it's not even possible in this culture. God has a culture, He doesn't amend Himself to anyone. If you love Him you'll amend yourself to Him. Thanks for the comment brother
Wow! This is really deep. We can’t take any of this for granted. Each of us needs to repent and keep the commandments and seal our family together in the temple. Am I understanding this correctly? This is quite profound. I need to revisit this episode seriously to understand what this means. Whew! I hope I’m getting this right. Wow! Wow!
The way I understood it was the “skin” spoken of was the initial covenant and covering given to Adam and Eve. When the Fathers had the covenant you are born into the covenant but if not cleansed or covered by Christ it remains unwashed. It may have been attributed or understood as skin color or culture, we adopted that view from Baptist fundamentalist views. Ultimately it is whether we have become washed and refined. It’s covenant over skin color.
We are all children of our Heavenly Father, just keep your covenant and bring you ancestor to be seal and restore the inheritance.
43:55 - WOW!
Please interview 52 churches in 52 weeks!
That’s a great idea.
1 Nephi 14: 1-2, I think this applies here. The Lord speaking to Nephi tells him that the righteous gentiles on the land will be counted among Lehi's children.
Verse 2. And harden not their hearts against the Lamb of God, they shall be numbered among the seed of thy father; yea, they shall be numbered among the house of Israel; and they shall be a blessed people upon the promised land forever; they shall be no more brought down into captivity; and the house of Israel shall no more be confounded.
Great clarification of the question and solutions through obedience to covenants with Christ and His gospel restored in the fullness of times through His prophet Joseph Smith for the benefit of ALL who choose these blessings (the living and the dead).
It's peoples countenance. Sin drives you to darkness and a dark countenance.
All spirits start as Light.
In ancient times, the line of Seth recieved the priesthood through the Patriarchal Order; in which order the priesthood was passed on through the concept of inheritance. Those recieving the priesthood thereby inherited a right to the priesthood. In our dispensation, any worthy male can convert and thereafter be ordained to the Melchizedek priesthood without a specific right to the priesthood through his lineage. However, the full blessings of the priesthood are not bestowed upon him untill he recieves the exalting ordinances of the Temple wherein he enters into the Patriarchal Order; and this, too, irrigardless of his not having a right to the priesthood through his lineage. One could say that an unendowed Elder or couples not sealed in the Temple have entered into a lesser order of the Melchizedek priesthood and not the fullness of it. But, once they partake of the Temple covenants, they enter into the Patriarchal Order of the priesthood. Why is it thus in our dispensation? Because we, though we be of Ephriam, are essentially gentiles being that our lineages are both untraceable and polluted. This is the only way we could be recieved into any order of priesthood. Now, to make our priesthood ordinations perfect, we must through vicarious ordinances restore our fathers to the priesthood and thus secure our right to the priesthood.
First comment on this amazing podcast!!
That's what's up. I’m glad the podcast is helpful.
This definitely rings true... Thanks!!
My thought is could the curse of Cain or ham be the skin of blackness and back then if you were that "color" It was like as leprosy and you were shunned away. Clearly the lamanites were not black but a darker then Jewish skin So maybe it's our interpretation of color because unless you come from straight out of Nigeria or something, skin color is really not black. So why do we use that descriptive word. And as a Caucasian my skin color is not white. But I'm thrown in this category because of our worldly perspective 🫣
But with the new and everlasting covenant it's not by lineage per se. But anyone that is righteous and repents can receive the blessings of the priesthood.
With our world today we just focus on the negative only and not accept the truth.
"this is the most beautiful story of all time, man!"
I haven't seen the movie yet. I only see it available in DVD form is there online streaming for it?
Watch Bruce Porter's video on Cain and Able and the priesthood. He does an even better job explaining this.
A curse is a consequence for bad choices, a concept the modern generation fails to accept. All families, races, nations and or ethnic groups are born into consequences as part of fallings.
It seems to me that the 1st thing Lehi did when Nephi and brothers returned with the Plates of Laban was to search out his lineage finding out the Rich romises available to him and his posterity. He was happy to report that's he was a descendant of Joseph, descendant of Manasseh. It seemed to confirm what he already believed. That would be exciting to find out and would have definitely been worth "Laban's sacrifice".😮
Can you have him on again and ask him about the skin of blackness that came after the curse? Wether it is symbolic and a idiom or literal. Ps thank you for the amazing content🙏🏼🙏🏼
I learned so much from this episode!! Thank you 🙌
That is always good to hear Alynna. What was the biggest help for you?
The role of the temple to repair, reconnect families through priesthood covenants 🤯 loved that ❤
You can't state that there wasn't ancient racial profiling Jew and Gentile were a big example. I don't want to speculate, but unfortunately as mortals racial profiling has been around for a long time, but it shouldn't take place.
None of us would have been born on this earth with out them coming before us and giving us life
I wonder if perhaps Priesthood given again to all worthy male members was due to Ham finally and fully repenting in the spirit world? Just a crazy thought.
In a sense the rich youth that approaches the Savior and asks what he needs to do and the Savior say sell your goods could be analogous of the pharaoh's difficulty of relinquishing his inheritance and lineage
A little correction, Jesus is not placed as the head of the human family. That position belongs to Adam, the Ancient of Days. From the teachings of the prophet Joseph Smith the Lord reveals,
"Adam delivers up his stewardship to Christ, that which was delivered to him as holding the keys of the universe, but retains his standing as head of the human family."
Now speaking of Abraham, in his blessing its two fold because it speaks of the literal seed and the adopted seed (through the gospel and the priesthood)
"10 And I will bless them through thy name; for as many as receive this Gospel shall be called after thy name, and shall be accounted thy seed, and shall rise up and bless thee, as their father;
11 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse them that curse thee; and in thee (that is, in thy Priesthood) and in thy seed (that is, thy Priesthood), for I give unto thee a promise that this right shall continue in thee, and in thy seed after thee (that is to say, the literal seed, or the seed of the body) shall all the families of the earth be blessed, even with the blessings of the Gospel, which are the blessings of salvation, even of life eternal. "
The priesthood was restored through lineage, for Joseph and Oliver where of the seed of Abraham and Joseph held the birthright as the firstborn, being of the tribe of Ephraim. It is through Abraham and his posterity and priesthood that all the families of the earth shall be blessed.
The sign of the curse was a skin of blackness or darkness. That's just a sign of a curse given but it isn't the curse. The curse unto Cain and his posterity was to not being able to hold the priesthood and officiate in its offices and administer the blessings thereof. But they could receive the ordinances of salvation and enter into the covenants from those who were worthy to officiate those sacred ordinances and covenants.
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20:00 Ham was not cursed, Canaan was Genesis 9:25 (not a criticizm, just a specification. GOOD VIDEO!)
Getting dead ancestors to repent or ^fix things", looks to be an impossible task.
Man made beam=allopathic medicine, for one (out of an unnumbered amount of man made beams or constructions).
This UA-cam video called
“A skin of blackness” is one to listen to by a woman of color in the LDS church.
This may also help in other discoveries in the scriptures about this as well!
The Book of Mormon clearly proves that God ALWAYS keeps His promises.
I always thought the Curse was the loss of the relationship and power of God. Like the Priesthood
Are we not cursed if we don't receive an exaltation?
Is not the priesthood charged with service to others? Do you think that individuals considered slaves in early 1800 would also be expected to serve also thought priesthood? The curse of priesthood restrictions might curse on individuals by not allowing/expecting slaves to also be priesthood servants.
23:45 do we covenant with Christ or the father? I think a the answer is the father at least in the temple it is..
How do you explain the "skin of blackness" put upon the Lamanites in 2 Nephi 5? Your explanation is spot on but confusing because of that statement, which was done so Nephites people wouldn't be attracted to them.
I think we are talking in circles here. Read the canon for what it is, there is no need to water it down or apply our woke interpretations. Spencer W Kimble said my people would become white and delightsome, that is good enough for me.
The different colors of skin and the different languages are because of the Tower of Babel when people rebelled against God
Epigenetic’s is the science that provides for behavioral traits being passed on.
Its obvious from reading the text in Genesis and Abraham that the curse had nothing to do with race
Obvious to you perhaps, but not so obvious to Brigham Young, John Taylor, Wilford Woodruff, Lorenzo Snow, Joseph F. Smith, Heber J. Grant, George Albert Smith, Harold B. Lee, Spencer W. Kimball, Ezra Taft Benson, Howard W. Hunter, Monson, Hinckley, and BYU professors of religion past 2010. What you and others are engaging in here is commonly refered to as gas lighting and is upsetting to some.
Joseph ordained a black man to the priesthood and I believe he was an apostle. After going to the salt Lake valley, he was never allowed to go to the temple with his wife even after she passed away. The reason the rules were changed is that the general authorities finally inquired of the Lord. They were all one in their wanting this to be changed. But until the leaders were all of one accord and asked…then they got the answer. We were weak saints and we as a people had to do the right thing. It was a stumbling block for me because I didn’t believe the racist narrative and always felt that it was wrong. But there were many in the church who came from the south who joined the church and came west. I think in the early days the church would have died out if they had not taken the stand they did. Because I am a descendent of those people I understood how racist they were, but even as a small child I knew it was not of God. Despite my grandmother’s racism she was a devoted follower of Christ and did have her eyes opened to the wrongness of it on her deathbed at 95. She has a giant posterity and through her ancestors I traced our beginnings to the Mayflower. My 12th great grandmother was the oldest living survivor of the Mayflower and through that line alone I am related to just about everyone!!!
Yes, I do believe many of us who came from people who believed they had the “inheritance” did also error and pass on false traditions of their fathers, such as some thinking they are covenant people and yet being un Christ like by being prejudiced to others because of the pigment of their skin.
We are all subject to error due to false traditions.
Which are the mainspring of all corruption.
Perhaps Brigham was also a man who believed in false traditions of his day ( being prejudiced towards people with skin of color) and so that’s how that “ban” was perpetrated until 1978!
The prophet Joseph Smith DID NOT ban any man from the priesthood due to skin color.
Brigham Young did.
Certain prophets, if they made mistakes most likely relied on the arm of flesh instead of getting the true answers from God and Jesus.
They are not infallible.
Gods truth will still come forth in his due time even when working through man who IS NOT perfect and sees through a glass darkly. ( meaning not being able to see clearly due to false traditions)
B.Y. could have had some issues that were not pleasing in Gods sight, but could still bring about his works even in spite of imperfect and even sinful people.
And don’t we all fall prey to false traditions passed down from our fathers and thus we do error.
I’m thankful this error was corrected!
I wish many things of our past history that are errors would be brought to light even still !
His name was Elijah Abel. Bruce Porter has an interesting video on the priesthood ban about him and the church Patriarch. Great theory, not sure I adopt it, but another strong plausible explanation for "WHY?", among a few other good ones.
Some one asked why did Joseph Smith not being the first born son why did he get the birth right ? We do not have that any more . We don’t have father son prophets . That was only OT
Unfortunately, we don't realize that we're all cut off from the inheritance. We must all be adopted-in via the Gospel Doctrine. In our day, for us to judge anyone based on race is nonsensical because all races are lost. What happened during the days of Cain are not the same today. Someone cursed from having birthright priesthood via levitical bloodline is a different story than today. Jesus came and completed what he set out to do. We ALL must be adopted in. We need to stop viewing today's Christian Gospel through an Old Testament lens. Christ fulfilled the law entirely.
Need feedback on this theory: The priesthood was first given to Adam. Non-adamic humans around the world were mixed/bred into Adam's family lineage over time. Only literal descendants of Adam have any possible right to the priesthood (citation needed). In 1978 the time had come where there were no remaining humans outside of Adam's actual lineage. Feedback needed!
I haven't seen any evidence for that except the testimony of the high priests of sciencism and their followers. The vast amount of time between millennial eras since Adam is enough to account for all the different cultures, peoples, and so forth, is it not?
So close, yet so far away.
Kay
Maybe my skin being dark (lamanite) is a mark or curse, but how is this racist?
Romans 8: 14-17
[14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. [15] For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, father. [16] The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: [17] And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Ephesians 1: 5 and 11
[5] Having predestined us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ TO HIMSELF, according to the good pleasure of his will…[11] In whom also WE HAVE OBTAINED AN INHERITANCE, being predestined according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
It is canonized that all worthy males can receive the priesthood.
Canonized.
Priesthood isn't inherited. Abraham's father was idolatrous.
It is besides/without father or mother.
Ancient Israel was under a curse and after 400 years of slavery, they were crushed and not ready for the priesthood except for the Levites. Was that racism?
Eventually the House of Israel would overcome the undeserved consequences of being enslaved.
What could have been a blessing, would have been a curse if, as a society and the hierarchy of needs, Ancient Israel had not first healed from that abuse.
Now place that pattern into the history of Black people being enslaved.
It's better to wait for the mental damage to be healed. It doesn't matter if it's now or in the next life.
God wants us each to be in the best scenario to receive all blessings.
Now look at the curse upon those who murdered Joseph;
Curses last until the third or fourth generation so children and grandchildren seeing the hatred of their parents do not have the best chance to gain eternal life.
Their curse is a great blessing. How much easier in the next life to gain all blessings.
By the fourth generation after Joseph and Hyrum's murders, there has been a flood of converts from their ancestor killers.
I'm showing a pattern of long-term patience and timing.
I'm not saying Black slaves were killers. Slavery is the monster.
Many Blacks would have been ready earlier. Many people could drink alcohol without danger of excess. But in these cases, Father makes it easier for the best outcome for the majority, taking into account the weakest so they are protected.
The majority of the Blacks healed enough by 1978 so the priesthood would not be a curse due to the devastation to the psyche from slavery.
Now, Blacks all over the world, especially in Africa and Brazil, are becoming a tremendous and righteous strength to the whole Church.