Well I think the "age of accountability" doctrine comes from the verse about children Mark 10:14-16 KJV [14] But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. [15] Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. [16] And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.
The Scripture is quite clear and simple regarding this issue: What about the spiritual condition of those who have never heard the gospel message? (infants, the severely mentally challenged, and the heathen) Biblical truth #1. All people (including infants, the severely mentally challenged, and the heathen) are lost sinners and in need of salvation Psalm 14:3 All have turned aside, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one. Psalm 51:5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me. Psalm 143:2 Do not bring your servant into judgment, for no one living is righteous before you. Proverbs 20:9 Who can say, "I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin"? Eccles. 7:20 There is not a righteous man on earth who does what is right and never sins. Isaiah 64:6 All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away. Romans 3:9-12 What shall we conclude then? Are we any better? Not at all! We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin. As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one." Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned-- 1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. Galatians 3:22 But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe. Ephesians 2:1 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, Ephesians 2:3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath. Biblical truth #2. There is no salvation without faith in Christ John 3:18 Whoever BELIEVES in him is not condemned, but whoever does not BELIEVE stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. John 3:36 Whoever BELIEVES in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him." John 10:9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." Acts 16:30-31 He then brought them out and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" They replied, "BELIEVE in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved--you and your household." Romans 3:26 he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have FAITH in Jesus. Romans 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by FAITH apart from observing the law. Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and BELIEVE in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:13 for, "Everyone who CALLS on the name of the Lord will be saved." Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through FAITH--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God Biblical truth #3. There is no faith in Christ, and therefore no salvation, without first hearing the gospel message Acts 11:13-14 He told us how he had seen an angel appear in his house and say, 'Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter. He will bring you a message through which you and all your household will be saved.' Acts 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed. Acts 18:9-10 One night the Lord spoke to Paul in a vision: "Do not be afraid; keep on speaking, do not be silent. For I am with you, and no one is going to attack and harm you, because I have many people in this city." Romans 10:9-17 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile--the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!" But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our message?" Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ. 2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory. SUMMARY: No conversion--no salvation! No exceptions! Hearing of the gospel, and subsequent conversion (faith & repentance) are absolutely essential to salvation. All of the elect must hear the gospel and believe it--there are no exceptions.
O Lord, what an amazing opportunity you have spread out before me a chance to make a difference for you in a desperately hurting world. Help me to see the needs you want me to see, to react in a way that honors you, and to bless others by serving them gladly with practical expressions of your love. Help me be Jesus’ hands and feet and through your Spirit give me the strength and wisdom I need to fulfill your plan for me in my own generation. In Jesus’ name I pray, Amen.
NOPE. The FLOOD condemned ALL. Only "8 souls were SAVED"! Same as SODOM and GOMMORAH. Only LOT'S family escaped. "CHILDREN OBEY your parents that you may have a long life"! WHEN do CHILDREN start DISOBEYING?! BEFORE starting SCHOOL! That is awfully YOUNG to start SINNING against a DIRECT COMMANDMENT of GOD!
Read Numbers chapters 13 and 14 for those that were 20 years old; Exodus 30 the giving of money for a ransom of sins Numbers 1:3-45, serving in the military Numbers 14:28-30 Punishment for disobedience those 20 years and upward, not permitted into the promised land. Read chapters 13 and 14 of the book of Numbers. (Those twenty years old and upward accountable for actions/sin) In the books of the Law (Torah) the age of 13 goes unmentioned entirely as a significant age. Numbers 26:3-4 Counted in the census, The age of accountability is 20 years old under the Old Covenant and the New Covenant unless somewhere the lord the His age of accountability. Not one time in the New Covenant writings does one child get immersed into Christ Jesus. Children are without sin in the eyes of the Lord.
he LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying, “How long shall I bear with this evil congregation who are grumbling against Me? I have heard the complaints of the sons of Israel, which they are making against Me. “Say to them, ‘As I live,’ says LORD, ‘just as you have spoken in My hearing, so I will surely do to you; YOUR CORPSES WILL FALL IN THIS WILDERNESS, EVEN ALL YOUR NUMBERED MEN, ACCORDING TO YOUR COMPLETE NUMBER FROM TWENTY YEARS OLD AND UPWARD, WHO HAVE GRUMBLED AGAINST ME. ‘Surely you shall not come into the land in which I swore to settle you, except Caleb the son of Jephunneh and Joshua the son of Nun. (To those Twenty years old and upward accountable for actions/sin) (Those Nineteen years old and below) ‘YOUR CHILDREN, HOWEVER, WHOM YOU SAID WOULD BECOME A PREY-I WILL BRING THEM IN, AND THEY WILL KNOW THE LAND WHICH YOU HAVE REJECTED. ‘BUT AS FOR YOU, YOUR CORPSES WILL FALL IN THIS WILDERNESS. ‘Your sons shall be shepherds for forty years in the wilderness, and they will suffer for your unfaithfulness until your corpses lie in the wilderness. According to the number of days which you spied out the land, forty days, for every day you shall bear your guilt a year, even forty years, and you will know My opposition. ‘I, the LORD, have spoken, surely this I will do to all this evil congregation who are gathered together against Me. In this wilderness, they shall be destroyed, and there they will die.’” Deuteronomy 1:39 ‘Moreover, your little ones who you said would become a prey, and your sons, who this day have no knowledge of good or evil, shall enter there, and I will give it to them and they shall possess it. Throughout the book of Acts, we see only men and women were baptized, never children. Paul the apostle said in the Corinthian letter chapter 13 "when I became a man I did away with childish things" under the Jewish law Paul became a man at 20 years of age. I will go as far as to say that anyone in the Lord's church that has been baptized as a child (19 years old and below), needs to be obedient to the Gospel and be baptized. Immersion into Jesus Christ is not a ritual, it is an adult faith decision. Immersion is not an adopted-faith (parent faith) ritualistic decision for a child to make. Nowhere in scriptures does it say, or imply, or inferred; "When the child knows right from wrong and, are able to Believe in Jesus" then we baptized them. ᾰ̓νήρ • (anḗr) m (genitive ᾰ̓νδρός); third declension 1. man (adult male)
In the Torah, 13 goes unmentioned entirely as a significant age. However, there is another age which is mentioned: 20 years old. Twenty years of age is mentioned as an age at which people are counted in the national census in Exodus 30:11-16, Numbers 1:1-3, and Numbers 26:1-4. Also, we see in the vows offerings (Leviticus 27:1-8) that 20 is also another societally significant age in the Torah. Exodus 30:11-16 The LORD also spoke to Moses, saying, “When you take a census of the sons of Israel to number them, then each one of them shall give a ransom for himself to the LORD, when you number them, so that there will be no plague among them when you number them. “THIS IS WHAT EVERYONE WHO IS NUMBERED SHALL GIVE: HALF A SHEKEL ACCORDING TO THE SHEKEL OF THE SANCTUARY (THE SHEKEL IS TWENTY GERAHS), HALF A SHEKEL AS A CONTRIBUTION TO THE LORD. “EVERYONE WHO IS NUMBERED, FROM TWENTY YEARS OLD AND OVER, SHALL GIVE THE CONTRIBUTION TO THE LORD. “THE RICH SHALL NOT PAY MORE AND THE POOR SHALL NOT PAY LESS THAN THE HALF SHEKEL, WHEN YOU GIVE THE CONTRIBUTION TO THE LORD TO MAKE ATONEMENT FOR YOURSELVES. “You shall take the atonement money from the sons of Israel and shall give it for the service of the tent of meeting, that it may be a memorial for the sons of Israel before the LORD, to make atonement for yourselves.” Numbers 1:1-3 1Then the LORD spoke to Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the tent of meeting, on the first of the second month, in the second year after they had come out of the land of Egypt, saying, “Take a census of all the congregation of the sons of Israel, by their families, by their fathers’ households, according to the number of names, every male, head by head 3from twenty years old and upward, whoever is able to go out to war in Israel, you and Aaron shall number them by their armies. Numbers 26:1-4 Then it came about after the plague, that the LORD spoke to Moses and to Eleazar the son of Aaron the priest, saying,”Take a census of all the congregation of the sons of Israel from twenty years old and upward, by their fathers’ households, whoever is able to go out to war in Israel.” So Moses and Eleazar the priest spoke with them in the plains of Moab by the Jordan at Jericho, saying, “Take a census of the people from twenty years old and upward, as the LORD has commanded Moses.” Numbers 32:11 'None of the men who came up from Egypt, from twenty years old and upward, shall see the land which I swore to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob; for they did not follow Me fully, The significance of the age of 20 is also shown in that no one under 20 was counted in the census or could go to war (Num 1:3-45)(Num 26:2,4)(1 Chr 27:23)(2 Chr 25:5) nor could any Levite work on the temple unless they were at least 20 yrs old (Ezra 3:8).
Still doesn't answer the question of where does my 1 yr old go if he dies... So this didn't address anything.
I wish there was a more in depth look into this with scripture references.
Well I think the "age of accountability" doctrine comes from the verse about children
Mark 10:14-16 KJV
[14] But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. [15] Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. [16] And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.
The Scripture is quite clear and simple regarding this issue:
What about the spiritual condition of those who have never heard the gospel message? (infants, the severely mentally challenged, and the heathen)
Biblical truth #1. All people (including infants, the severely mentally challenged, and the heathen) are lost sinners and in need of salvation
Psalm 14:3 All have turned aside, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.
Psalm 51:5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
Psalm 143:2 Do not bring your servant into judgment, for no one living is righteous before you.
Proverbs 20:9 Who can say, "I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin"?
Eccles. 7:20 There is not a righteous man on earth who does what is right and never sins.
Isaiah 64:6 All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.
Romans 3:9-12 What shall we conclude then? Are we any better? Not at all! We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin. As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one."
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned--
1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
Galatians 3:22 But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
Ephesians 2:1 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins,
Ephesians 2:3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath.
Biblical truth #2. There is no salvation without faith in Christ
John 3:18 Whoever BELIEVES in him is not condemned, but whoever does not BELIEVE stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.
John 3:36 Whoever BELIEVES in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."
John 10:9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.
John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."
Acts 16:30-31 He then brought them out and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
They replied, "BELIEVE in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved--you and your household."
Romans 3:26 he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have FAITH in Jesus.
Romans 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by FAITH apart from observing the law.
Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and BELIEVE in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:13 for, "Everyone who CALLS on the name of the Lord will be saved."
Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through FAITH--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God
Biblical truth #3. There is no faith in Christ, and therefore no salvation, without first hearing the gospel message
Acts 11:13-14 He told us how he had seen an angel appear in his house and say, 'Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter. He will bring you a message through which you and all your household will be saved.'
Acts 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.
Acts 18:9-10 One night the Lord spoke to Paul in a vision: "Do not be afraid; keep on speaking, do not be silent. For I am with you, and no one is going to attack and harm you, because I have many people in this city."
Romans 10:9-17 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile--the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!" But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our message?" Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.
2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory.
SUMMARY: No conversion--no salvation! No exceptions!
Hearing of the gospel, and subsequent conversion (faith & repentance) are absolutely essential to salvation. All of the elect must hear the gospel and believe it--there are no exceptions.
Do you know of any good books or articles on this subject, I can't find anything. Thanks.
O Lord, what an amazing opportunity you have spread out before me a chance to make a difference for you in a desperately hurting world. Help me to see the needs you want me to see, to react in a way that honors you, and to bless others by serving them gladly with practical expressions of your love. Help me be Jesus’ hands and feet and through your Spirit give me the strength and wisdom I need to fulfill your plan for me in my own generation.
In Jesus’ name I pray,
Amen.
There is no age of accountability and there is no freewill .
You clearly did not read
NOPE. The FLOOD condemned ALL. Only "8 souls were SAVED"! Same as SODOM and GOMMORAH. Only LOT'S family escaped. "CHILDREN OBEY your parents that you may have a long life"! WHEN do CHILDREN start DISOBEYING?! BEFORE starting SCHOOL! That is awfully YOUNG to start SINNING against a DIRECT COMMANDMENT of GOD!
Read Numbers chapters 13 and 14 for those that were 20 years old;
Exodus 30 the giving of
money for a ransom of sins
Numbers 1:3-45, serving in the military
Numbers 14:28-30 Punishment for disobedience those 20 years and upward, not permitted into the promised land. Read chapters 13 and 14 of the book of Numbers. (Those twenty years old and upward accountable for actions/sin)
In the books of the Law (Torah) the age of 13 goes unmentioned entirely as a significant age.
Numbers 26:3-4 Counted in the census, The age of accountability is 20 years old under the Old Covenant and the New Covenant unless somewhere the lord the His age of accountability.
Not one time in the New Covenant writings does one child get immersed into Christ Jesus.
Children are without sin in the eyes of the Lord.
For ALL have fallen short, not all after 20
@@elijahdaves1305what sins did you commit when you were still in the womb?
he LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying, “How long shall I bear with this evil congregation who are grumbling against Me? I have heard the complaints of the sons of Israel, which they are making against Me.
“Say to them, ‘As I live,’ says LORD, ‘just as you have spoken in My hearing, so I will surely do to you; YOUR CORPSES WILL FALL IN THIS WILDERNESS, EVEN ALL YOUR NUMBERED MEN, ACCORDING TO YOUR COMPLETE NUMBER FROM TWENTY YEARS OLD AND UPWARD, WHO HAVE GRUMBLED AGAINST ME. ‘Surely you shall not come into the land in which I swore to settle you, except Caleb the son of Jephunneh and Joshua the son of Nun. (To those Twenty years old and upward accountable for actions/sin)
(Those Nineteen years old and below)
‘YOUR CHILDREN, HOWEVER, WHOM YOU SAID WOULD BECOME A PREY-I WILL BRING THEM IN, AND THEY WILL KNOW THE LAND WHICH YOU HAVE REJECTED. ‘BUT AS FOR YOU, YOUR CORPSES WILL FALL IN THIS WILDERNESS. ‘Your sons shall be shepherds for forty years in the wilderness, and they will suffer for your unfaithfulness until your corpses lie in the wilderness.
According to the number of days which you spied out the land, forty days, for every day you shall bear your guilt a year, even forty years, and you will know My opposition. ‘I, the LORD, have spoken, surely this I will do to all this evil congregation who are gathered together against Me. In this wilderness, they shall be destroyed, and there they will die.’”
Deuteronomy 1:39 ‘Moreover, your little ones who you said would become a prey, and your sons, who this day have no knowledge of good or evil, shall enter there, and I will give it to them and they shall possess it.
Throughout the book of Acts, we see only men and women were baptized, never children. Paul the apostle said in the Corinthian letter chapter 13 "when I became a man I did away with childish things" under the Jewish law Paul became a man at 20 years of age.
I will go as far as to say that anyone in the Lord's church that has been baptized as a child (19 years old and below), needs to be obedient to the Gospel and be baptized. Immersion into Jesus Christ is not a ritual, it is an adult faith decision. Immersion is not an adopted-faith (parent faith) ritualistic decision for a child to make. Nowhere in scriptures does it say, or imply, or inferred; "When the child knows right from wrong and, are able to Believe in Jesus" then we baptized them.
ᾰ̓νήρ • (anḗr) m (genitive ᾰ̓νδρός); third declension
1. man (adult male)
In the Torah, 13 goes unmentioned entirely as a significant age. However, there is another age which is mentioned: 20 years old. Twenty years of age is mentioned as an age at which people are counted in the national census in Exodus 30:11-16, Numbers 1:1-3, and Numbers 26:1-4. Also, we see in the vows offerings (Leviticus 27:1-8) that 20 is also another societally significant age in the Torah.
Exodus 30:11-16 The LORD also spoke to Moses, saying, “When you take a census of the sons of Israel to number them, then each one of them shall give a ransom for himself to the LORD, when you number them, so that there will be no plague among them when you number them. “THIS IS WHAT EVERYONE WHO IS NUMBERED SHALL GIVE: HALF A SHEKEL ACCORDING TO THE SHEKEL OF THE SANCTUARY (THE SHEKEL IS TWENTY GERAHS), HALF A SHEKEL AS A CONTRIBUTION TO THE LORD. “EVERYONE WHO IS NUMBERED, FROM TWENTY YEARS OLD AND OVER, SHALL GIVE THE CONTRIBUTION TO THE LORD. “THE RICH SHALL NOT PAY MORE AND THE POOR SHALL NOT PAY LESS THAN THE HALF SHEKEL, WHEN YOU GIVE THE CONTRIBUTION TO THE LORD TO MAKE ATONEMENT FOR YOURSELVES. “You shall take the atonement money from the sons of Israel and shall give it for the service of the tent of meeting, that it may be a memorial for the sons of Israel before the LORD, to make atonement for yourselves.”
Numbers 1:1-3 1Then the LORD spoke to Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the tent of meeting, on the first of the second month, in the second year after they had come out of the land of Egypt, saying, “Take a census of all the congregation of the sons of Israel, by their families, by their fathers’ households, according to the number of names, every male, head by head 3from twenty years old and upward, whoever is able to go out to war in Israel, you and Aaron shall number them by their armies.
Numbers 26:1-4 Then it came about after the plague, that the LORD spoke to Moses and to Eleazar the son of Aaron the priest, saying,”Take a census of all the congregation of the sons of Israel from twenty years old and upward, by their fathers’ households, whoever is able to go out to war in Israel.” So Moses and Eleazar the priest spoke with them in the plains of Moab by the Jordan at Jericho, saying, “Take a census of the people from twenty years old and upward, as the LORD has commanded Moses.”
Numbers 32:11 'None of the men who came up from Egypt, from twenty years old and upward, shall see the land which I swore to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob; for they did not follow Me fully,
The significance of the age of 20 is also shown in that no one under 20 was counted in the census or could go to war (Num 1:3-45)(Num 26:2,4)(1 Chr 27:23)(2 Chr 25:5) nor could any Levite work on the temple unless they were at least 20 yrs old (Ezra 3:8).