The Hidden Truth Behind the Holes in the Barn (Rebaling)
Вставка
- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- As requested, the #rebaling video! With this set up we are cranking out 1000-1400 hay bales in a good day. We are using a Messick's Bale Converter, a T'Z EZ unroller table, a Massey 1840 Inline Baler, an Arcusin D14, JCB 535-95 telehandler, John Deere 5075E and a Massey 4708 to complete this process
We have cameras pointing at and into the dumpster to confirm the bin is empty…unless it’s an old truck
I learned something new everyday. Thank you! We’ve had it not completely emptied before, so I’ll blame that on a combination of an old truck and an unnecessarily packed dumpster lol
Yup... Selling hay to horsey people is not just selling hay.
It is an exercise in marketing.
Fair enough though. They are fussy but they are paying a premium so they can be.
That's why we also raised cattle.
The hay that the horsey people were fussy with got turned into steaks.
you know the drill. It's alot of people pleasing
As someone that's spent decades feeding Horses I appreciate a really good bale that flakes nicely. Nothing worse than cutting the strings and a bale just falls apart on you all over your feed room.
Yep! It’s an important aspect of overall quality
This thumbnail looks familiar ;)
Nice work. Probably one of the best large square baling conversions I have seen! Nice work Sammy with the mountain of hay!
Thank you very much! Sammy does a great job
Interesting stuff, can never understand how telehandlers have never really caught on in the us, here in UK most larger farms have them
It has a lot to do with price 100k vs 75 k. However alot of the large Dairy use telehandelers
They are definitely pricier but I don’t think I could do without them. The efficiency in stacking high is a huge plus
They're very popular in construction in the US, but not so much in farming.
@@notsure7874 Construction telehandlers are generally lower spec and lower engine power than agricultural specs.
Sooooo, what do you get for small bales...??? Large bales...??? Horse people will pay premium for good quality horse hay...
$6-7 for 1st cutting. Gonna go up a bit this year unfortunately
Sam could make documentaries for a living ..
He’s excellent on camera!
Havr you ever looked into an Krone Bigpack with multibale option? These basically make small-bale packs right on the field with a really good qualitiy.
Would something like that be an alternative for you?
I have. That’s an awesome machine. I don’t think it quite makes the size our customers are looking for. A lot of these small squares still go into a loft hand stacked as their end resting place
Thank you for keeping life real. I've played sims and seen farm work at a distance, but this, this is the real deal. Stay Safe and Be Awesome! P.S. Awesome work Sam! That is one mountain of hay I would be honored to eat... if I was a horse 🙃of course!
Thank you for tuning in! Sam does a great job
Good video. Are you an only child or do you have siblings that farm with you?
I’m the only sibling that farms. Thank you!
Ik u sell alot of hay in winter. But is there a good market there for wheat straw. Or do u sell all of it after harvest in summer to big dairy farms to save room in your barns for hay only thru winter??
We don’t do a tremendous amount of straw. Market isn’t great and very very volatile. Not like quality hay
Do you ever get tired of these people asking on here "why do you re-bale ? ", even though they MUST see your answer to others on the same question, FFS , you have a lot of patience brother, great video , thanks from Ireland
Loved your video! What a great idea! Are you doing 1000-1400 small bales, or 1000-1400 bundles per day?
What's the purpose of rebailing
The smaller package is more in demand in our area
Would it be easier to use skid steer to load the conveyor no turning the bales that way Could you put giant exhaust fan to remove the dust like the in a dairy barn? Love your channel exited for more videos
It probably would be, but the telehandler is more convenient when stacking the bundles so it’s a sacrifice we are ready to make.
Yes, we will implement a fan or hood soon
When in the process do you cut the twine on the big bales
Just before it hits the shredder tines. I didn’t do a great job of showing that step till real late in the video
I can not believe my eyes, and almost fell off my chair, when I read the title of this video.
After 4 months of seemingly endless promises, you finally got around to doing this video, and you my friend have been pushing the limits on the old adage of: "Better Late Than Never" 🐎👍🇺🇸
Better late than never! I hope I didn’t disappoint
@@FarmingInsider
Like I said, you were pushing it, but I'm gonna forgive you.
I guess you've already sold some of that haven't you?
@@RealJohnWayne yes sir. A pretty good chunk actually
@@FarmingInsider
In a typical year, when's your first cutting,.I know you have a mixture of different grasses, and I don't think you have any pure alfalfa, which would be the earliest.
@@RealJohnWayne Typically we like to get into fields the last week of may
Seems to me you are knocking all the good off those rebales! You mentioned the “clean up” but never showed what you were cleaning up. Leaf material would be my guess! Stems are fine for cows and stupid horse people!
This is only grass so it’s just little fines. We don’t do alfalfa bc it would be too damaging
Sammy needs a raise :)
What is the brand of the square bale shredder?
Thanks
It’s a Messick’s Bale Converter
This might be a stupid question, but if you are now making that hay from the other hay, why didn't you make that hay to begin with?
Not a stupid question at all. We would have loved to but weather this year limited our time to get the hay made. We can do a lot more hay in a short time with the large square baler than we can with small square balers so when push comes to shove we clean it up off the field quickly with the large bales and then do this in the winter
Huh, I didn't know that these openings were mysterious, though I'd only seen one opening on an outbuilding for a PTO before.
It’s done well for the rigs
Wouldn’t want to rebale alfalfa
Absolutely not
Yours is a super big operation........Our rebaling operation is primarily for Round bales.........Being as we are down South ours is set up under a 22 ft tall open building......One Tractor runs the whole shebang..... We feed the Windrow off the round bale as it was baled in the field....It took some on the farm engineering to restrict the windrow flow into the baler.......Our Bundler is a 5250 bale baron,,,, Once the 21 Bale bundle exits the Baron A 5045E tractor with forks carries it up a ramp and into a 53ft trailer.....2 1/2 hours later 36 ----21bale bundles is a load
I don’t see you removing the twine. What happens to that when it goes onto the shredder?
We do remove it
I can see you have to be REALLY CAREFUL who you allow to work with the machines
We very much do! It's alot of moving parts
How many bales an hour can you produce per hour? Does the speed depend on the make-up of the hay? Be well.
Yep, the less packed and sticky the flakes are the much more volume we can run through. I’ve been doing some speed trials and I’m comfortable saying about 15-18 seconds a bale. So around 240ish an hour. We’ve had it screaming as fast at 9 seconds and bale and as slow as 30ish when it’s really taking time to break it up
Have you ever tried rebaling alfalfa? Do all the leaves fall off or does a decent amount stay attached?
Never tried it, we don't have the heart
Knew it was pto related
You nailed it
That’s a right set up there how many big square bales do you make each year?
It really really varies with the weather. We mostly shoot for smalls
Okay got my answer it's a messicks that's what I thought.
I bet a Krone MultiBale would save you a lot of time and money in the long run
If the size was a little more ideal I would agree with you completely
so you're making smaller bales out of larger bale's?
Yes sir that’s the basics
Are you looking into a bale baron where you can bale it into bundles right in the field?
We do bundle in the field. This is just additional hay we try to make because we can’t seem to bundle enough in the fields
What is the cost to the customer after prevailing?
Market rate. $6-7 right now
Great video. Good job Sammy
Thank you Lance! He does great
When I did this it was all John Deere and belts and we didn't have ptos for anything it'was all manual lol
That makes for a hard day lol
@@FarmingInsider definitely you all are spoiled in today's farming and ask any Old timer that did farming when they were growing up , Laura Farms is really spoiled but love the videos they create and I am now subbed to your channel , enjoy your week and stay safe out there
Hi
Hey there
Gotta support Americas Farmers! Great job!
Thank you Andrew!
I never realized how much work went into bayled hay. Thank you for sharing as I learned quite a few things today.
Born and raised city boy but even I know those holes are to hook up the tractor PTO to equipment inside the building.
OK that's a holf truth, I was a master electrician for 45 years, I've worked on a lot of farms so I've seen this firsthand.
Wouldn’t 240v or 3 phase electric motors work better to run this setup.
You got it!
Yes, maybe in the future. Just using what we had available for this year
@@dmb25108 Why buy expensive high HP electric motors and the equipment to power and operate them when every farmer already has a tractor or two?
great job mate and cool look into this
Thank you!
how rebaling affects quality of the hay?
Nice set up ! If you could set up your baler and bundler with 3ph electric motors and gear reductions that would save a lot of money on fuel and wear on your tractors. You have a very nice hay operation. Thanks for the video's
I don’t disagree with you. There are definitely lower cost replacements and improvements to be made moving forward, we just tried to throw it together with machine and material we had on hand
@@FarmingInsider Definitely not criticizing I think what you are doing is great , I have a Pressure vessel fabrication and machine shop business I understand completely about using all of your available resources that's what keeps us in business and make us more competitive . My hay business is more of a hobby farm stress reliever .
Thank you for the video's.
why are you rebailing it ?
I bet these guys are the characters in farming simulator games.
Very interesting, thanks for the video.
Thank you!!
I worked for a guy 20 years ago that rebaled round balls. His setup was all on a float trailer and had a ramp for a skidsteer to load hay in van trailers
I’d like to see that!
@@FarmingInsider unfortunately he disassembled it and sold everything
Have you ever done round bales in the same type of system?
I’m pretty certain rounds wouldn’t work through this shredder but we do have an Unroller specifically for them
Will call you The hay boy's hahaha
Lol I like it
I dont understand why most farmers are complaining, 80% all over the world, except for some exemptions, most drives expensive cars, have expensive trips every year, have all the newest tools at hand, equipment all over the place, but still complaining..
Was this in relation to something said in the video or just a general remark?
Sam is the man of the day, good to have a top hand like Sam, give him a raise, lol
Great operation, great operators & narrators - thanks for the video!
Thank you very much!
Seems I missed the why or re-bailing. The hay being shredded where intact, seems making the bales smaller was the intent?
Yep, we have a more profitable market when in the smaller bale format
@@FarmingInsider more profit? seems to me if you just stopped selling the small ones... because there not available... the large ones would become the norm and you could just sell just the large ones at the same price.
@@stephenkamin1345 we have a lot of customers that have no storage or ability to handle large bales. Some might transition because they like our hay and prices but I imagine others would broaden their regional scope to find the bale format that suited their needs best
Finally a rebaleing video lol
Thats what i wanted to say. Great vid again
Long overdue!
You guys sure have a nice operation down there
Outstanding video
Glad you liked it, thank you!
looks great
Thank you!
I make small squares . That just looks like way to much work to re bale that dusty crap . No mater the mask your lungs are worth more than making it easier for some one that can't handle what you have . I have ben selling hay for over 25 years and have found out the more you try to please a customer the more they ask for .
A significant portion of our farm's income is based on pleasing customers
Unless I missed it, you didn’t tell us the reason for rebailing
Basically just to meet all the orders as supply dwindles this time of year
@@FarmingInsider i don’t understand why you have to rebail? You can’t sell it in the larger squares?
Sorry if this is a stupid question it is my first day on your channel
@@wiboatrentals my first day too! But the reason he rebails is to take the large bails that are not easy to move around with out tractor or bobcat with bail forks on it and also isn't easy to store out of the elements for a whole huge amount of horse owners who may only own 1-3 horses and dont have a massive hay barn to store those really large bails so by rebailing the large bails down to small bails which can be lifted by a human and are also uniform in shape and size means that you are able to store and stack those smaller bails in the loft above the stalls where you keep your horses in the cold winter nights/days where even if you had a tractor that could move those large bails you still wouldnt be able to store them in the hay loft above the stalls as you wouldnt be able to move the bails once you got it up in the loft as the tractor cant drive up into the loft to move those large bails but a 60Lb bail is easily able to be set onto a hay conveyor belt on the ground level outside the building going up to a hay loft door which is only opened when loading the loft with hay then you have a second person unloading the hay from the conveyor belt and neatly stacking the bails from floor to the ceiling until the loft is filled. and the bigger reason for re-bailing for him would be that the market price for the large bails vs. the market price per small bail works out to net him a higher selling price for the same amount of hay so say he could get 100$ for 1 large bail but that large bail re-bailed into say 20 small bails ( i dont know how many small bails 1 large bail would make nor do i know the price of large bails or small bails are going for but if the small bails say were going for around 240$ per ton you would only get say 210$ per ton for the large square bails and for the large round bails you might only get 190$ per ton ) so not only will it be easily for the end consumer to be able to move the bails without having to own a tractor but it will also be easier to store inside out of the weather which will in turn mean that the bails will store longer before going bad due to water causing the hay to decompose it will also mean that the profit margins are somewhat larger for him to be able to keep in business even though re-bailing isnt going to be cheap for him either to run 2 tractors and 2 machines off those tractors then another tractor and a bobcat to load and unload the machines and stack the finished bails then there is the 3 wages for him his father and the guy running the 2 tractors and 2 machines all of which will take a big bite out of that extra maybe 30$ a ton he might make extra by re-bailing which im sure after the bills are paid it will only end up being maybe 7 to 10$ a ton extra he might make but the key is that his business is not only able to offer good hay this late into the season when others cant offer any size bails as they have no product he can sell it to youy in large or small bail sizes cause they willing to go the extra mile to get the customer what the customer is looking for
@@darcymilligan9289 thank you !! I just want to say that was the most complete and thought out replay I have ever seen on UA-cam you even answered questions I didn’t have yet!! Your awesome thank you again!
That’s one sweet rebaler set up👍👍
Thank you!
@@FarmingInsider smarter not harder that’s always the goal, thanks for sharing
if you already have all that bailed hay, why do you have to bail it again, we don't get it, seems like your not too efficient or maybe thetes another reason to rebail
We can get a significantly better price In a small square bale format
How much does one of the big squares weight. I have a newish New holland Br7090 round baler. Makes a 6x6 round bale net wrap real nice just a pain when u get a inch of ice coating everything. I never actually saw a setup like that with a rebailer i had to click to see. How many acres do u guys harvest? Im close to around 400 myself but im in SW Pa. Dont know where your located could be anywhere
The 2 batches shown in this video are about 900 and 1100 lbs. we are in northern Ohio.
@@FarmingInsider not that far then. I had to go that way to buy parts for my cornpicker couple years back. All the rubber fingers got dryrotted and broke after the webbing chain broke on me it stopped pishing everything out the back and simply broke the fingers off all the pushers. Had to cut the bars they were mounted on to get old off and smack the new used ones into place and weld them back up. Basically rebuilt the entire ass end of the picker. Replaced the web and pusher fingers. All while being crammed into the back of the machine. Good times. Im from Wash Pa.
Why ReBail?
Is it so you can Scam wight
Yep breaking it down into a more user friendly format
How much do you have to charge per small square bale when you are doing this re-bailing system to make it worth all your time and money?
I only get to charge market rate. $6-7
Ideas for why get engraider for whole lot it's easier and it free up more tractor jobs
I’m not sure I’m following what you’re saying
What about trying big generators saves two tractors and then can go back to work is sick idea I don't get me wrong but think about time saving
So does all of the big bale twine end up wrapped up in the small bales? I can understand how some people wouldn't want to feed plastic infused feed to their horses or livestock...
No it's cut before entering. I doubt you could get 2 strings through the machine before plugging it
@@FarmingInsider That is good to hear, as some reprocessing systems don't do that.
Great videos. I've been looking at the Hustler unrollers for rebaling. I think I could gain $60 a ton in small bales verus big squares. Is that enough to make it worth your time and effort? I broker quite a few small bales now but am usually disappointed in the quality of the bales compared to our own. Thanks
You'd have to get sharp with the pencil, i'd like to see a bit more than $60/ton margin especially with labor creeping up
What's with the CC ?, we can hear you.
When I first edited through, I thought it was difficult to hear when we were close to the machine, but that’s good to know sound quality wasn’t an issue
Wow great video. Hard work pays. Good job.
Thank you for the support!
have you ever considered a skid steer
Lol yes we use one occasionally
Wouldnt it be a idea, to so this with electric motors instead of tractors? After the electric is laid down you could Just Plug it in and wouldnt have to sorry about fuel cost, as electricity is usually cheaper.
I'm guessing it boils down to you already have an expensive piece of equipment that can run the machines. Buying two motors large enough and needing to install the supporting components like motor controllers and power delivery; by the end it you could have bought another tractor. I'm sure electric versions of these exist, but they probably cost more than just running a tractor.
This would probably require three phase motors, not something you just plug in and run. That said, I'm sure someone willing to experiment and make an initial investment might even try mounting solar panels on the roof and run such a setup that way.
That setup would have to be three phase and would cost a fortune to install and run, electricity is definitely not cheaper than diesel, electricity could also be a fire hazard. and tractors are already on the farm so ....??????
It looks like you are taking a large bale, braking it down and bailing it back into the same size bale. I don't understand this. I have bailed "loose" hay & rebailed round bales because it is quicker to bail & store round and rebail in winter if you sell more square bales. But rebailing the same size just changet the exterior look of the hay? Lot of work for a new look.
It’s a 14 bale bundle vs a large square. There is a significant difference in selling price. All you have to do is cut the strings of the bundle and it’s little bales
@@FarmingInsider Why do you bale in the large squares? Is that for a different customer base?
@@dougsholly9323 yes and also when weather is pushing us for time we can do alot more with the big baler coming out of the field
@@FarmingInsider oh I didn't think about putting hay up faster with the big bails. Are you able to get the same for the rebailed as you would if you had small bailed it when you put it up?
@@dougsholly9323 yes sir, whatever the market is
Why rebailing
Better market and price than the large squares. Large squares were just for getting it up and out of the field quick
Why rebale them what's wrong with the bale to start with.
They sell much better in smaller bale format
@@FarmingInsider that makes sense alot of people don't have the equipment to pick up the bigger bales
@@shaunsmuder1637 you're exactly right
Where are you located?
Northern Ohio
@@FarmingInsider We are Bit by Bit Farms. You are a little to far from me. I am in eastern Oregon. We go thru about 100 tons of hay a year here and last year was a drought year. My place will normally do around 55 tons a year and we have to buy another 45 tons. Last year we only got 5 tons so we had to buy 95 tons. Very expensive last year. This year not looking much better. Hope you guys have a good hay season.
Expensive fuel?! isnt purple farm diesel tax free? XD. But why exacly are you rebailing it? preventing mould and rot?
It puts it in an easier to sell package and is a bit more profitable
That's a conveyor feeding the shredder, not a walking floor. It's not 'whatever you want to call it'. They are quite different. Different abilities and different limitations.
A walking floor is typically three sets of slats that slide back and forth with hydraulic cylinders. All 3 will slide a short distance at the same time in the direction of travel. Then sequentially one at a time they reverse to reset. The idea is the sliding friction will be distributed 2:1. The load will remain stationary on the 2 slats that aren't moving while the 3rd slat slides. After all three sets reset, they again all move together in the direction of travel. Changing the sequence changes the direction.
Now we know! Thank you
I know that they have edible net-wrap, what someone needs to invent is edible baling twine.
That would be pretty neat but I’d still be worried about twine going through the baler
Lemme ask you sir. Make it sense to make big bales. And a few month later u rebaling them?
U got double cost or not?
Sometimes big baling is the only way we can get them out of the field quick enough