Why I Switched From Sidereal To Tropical Vedic Astrology In 2012 And Never Looked Back
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2025
- I was asked recently why I use the tropical zodiac for Vedic Astrology, instead of the traditional sidereal zodiac. Here is an informal talk on the ayanamsa debate where I share information that most people do not know about Vedic Astrology and the tropical zodiac. One thing I forgot to mention was the importance of understanding the logical fallacy of appealing to authority. When debating things it is considered a flaw to try to appeal to any form of authority to make your point. For example "This is how the Rishis did it, so we need to do it this way." This can be a trap for one's logic, to simply think that because some authority says this is true, it must be true. It invites many other problems such as "How do we know the authority is right? How do we know thats even what they would say in this situation, since they are no longer alive?", etc.
I had to admit to myself that I was using this logical fallacy often when I was refusing to consider the validity of the tropical zodiac with Vedic Astrology.
If something is true it will shine as truth and does not need an authority to stamp with his approval.
You should of course still make up your own mind and think for yourself on the matter. To become a real astrologer you must see the truth for yourself, no one can see it for you. This is only helpful information to assist you in seeing that truth, whatever it may be.
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I hear you and agree with most of what you are saying, especially as the tropical zodiacs way of placing us in harmony with the seaasons of the earth around the sun and natures connection to those cycles. It is really interesting following the history of esoteric wisdom thru the ages. Robert Gilbert does an amazing job addressing this time line of how spiritual wisdom and evolution moved after the fall of Atlantis to ancient Irish lands, to the rishis of India, to ancient Persia, to Egypt, to the Greco-Romans, to now, and how many important pieces from many traditions have played their part, and also how many key pieces have been lost and hidden and manipulated for cross purposes along the way. For example the Vedas, while deep and profound, are still but a small skimming of the wisdom that the acient Rishis possessed. There is still so much to be discovered and uncovered. Astrological understanding has certainly been contibuted to by the Egyptians, Persians, Grecco-Romans and beyond. In all of these traditions there is evidence they were using systems based on the tropical zodiac. That said, there is evidence that sidereal understanding has also been considered at different points along the way. Is there a place for both of these systems?
I should clarify, it is Rudolf Stiener who Robert Gilbert gets his history from
The connection the seasons is not so exact, in the southern hemisphere the seasons are reversed yet we don't reverse the signs. Near the equator, there are no seasons yet tropical zodiac still works. The strongest connection is the direction the sun is moving in the visible sky, and relative to earth's electromagnetic field and the equator
Yes I think where the sidereal comes in is with the yugas and precessional cycle. Or what Plato called the great year. So if we are thinking about the great year of 26,000 yrs or so, then it makes sense to base all that off of stars, and that to me is where the sidereal zodiac would fit in perfectly.
David Frawley wrote a very interesting article about the connection between Irish and Vedic culture. He makes a very logical point about when the Persians and Irish and Vedic cultures may have broke apart. He asserts that the Irish must have broken off from the Vedic culture before the Persians, and why they kept the more of the pluralistic tradition alive. And the Persian tradition seemed to break off later on and flip alot of things around intentionally. You can read it here.
bharatabharati.in/2017/01/30/vedic-origins-of-the-europeans-david-frawley/
@@EyeOfTheVeda You can cite your only source, David, whoever that may be, but that doesn't change the fact that the sidereal system is used 99% of the time across India, and ancient Babylonian astrology also used the sidereal system. Another point is that you hold yourself in high regard regarding the fact that you look at the dasa calculations in sidereal, because you wouldn't be able to look at anything else, as astrological programs are not capable of that. I can't comprehend what the point would be in jumping between the tropical and sidereal systems when the machine is already calculating in sidereal. Very few people use the tropical system. Believe me, this theory will never be popular.
My argument for using Sidereal has always been that it actually reflects what's happening in the sky. (DISCLAIMER: When I use the term "Sidereal," simply speaking, I look at the sky and see where things are, that's it, it's a little more than just using the wikipedia definition) I can't get behind the notion that Sidereal is in anyway outdated, there's no evidence the sky has changed significantly over the last 2,000+ years, or ever for that matter(not saying it hasn't). I suppose this depends upon how you see the cosmology in your head, but as for me, I don't subscribe to mainstream cosmology. I imagine the stars as part of our enclosed system. I also find it difficult to find others online who practice "true" Sidereal Astrology, i.e. uneven constellation delineations, 12 zodiac delineations (not 13), and only taking into account the visible planets + lunar nodes. (I look at the outer planets, but I haven't decided how to feel about them, they don't seem to affect my readings much. Which makes me wonder, if they really do exist in the same way the visible planets do maybe there's a reason they're hidden from view)
I don't see any problems with uneven delineations in the zodiac; the natural world doesn't typically present as uniform, so I don't expect it in the sky either.
Not to mention, once I really started practicing "true" Sidereal Astrology, taking into account the Vedic aspects and teachings, my readings and predictions have ONLY been spot on.
However, you make an interesting point, one I've been considering for a while. Perhaps the Sun has its own delineations that line up with the changes of the seasons, not the sun being "in" one of the 12 constellations of the zodiac mind you, but perhaps something else indicates this. That also makes me wonder if the Nakshatras are only intended to be delineations for the Moon. To further this point, this makes me wonder if each planet have their own delineations, or perhaps not I'm still looking into this idea.
Thanks for bringing this discussion to light, I still have no considerations for using the Tropical system if we're talking about the stars and planets.
In his popular Astrology classic Jataka Parijat, author Vaidyanatha Dikshit says in chapter 1 verse 7, Aries and other zodiacal signs in the sky consist of nine quarters of nakshatra reckoned from Ashwini are termed as kshetra, riksha, rashi, bhawan and bham. There is clear correspondence between the nine parts of a sign and a nakshatra pada or quarter.
Atharva veda Kand 10, Sukta 8, Verse 4 which says there is a chakra (circle) that has 12 spokes (signs), 3 navels (3 focii including the centre of elliptic) which are held together by 360 nails and their slots. THIS CIRCLE THOUGH SLANTED IS FIXED and IMMOVABLE (avichal). Here the clear emphasis is on immovability of this circle (zodiac) with 12 spokes i.e. demarcation of signs. The 360 locations (degrees) divided in 12 parts are allegorically fixed with 360 nails in the sky.
Brihat samhita chapter 102, verse 7 is the perfect closure for the chapter that simply says Ashwini, Magha and Moola nakshatras start respectively at Aries, Leo and Sagittarius.
That is actually a reference to the fixed and immovable tropical zodiac which is eternal and based on the unchanging movements of the sun and earth. Whereas the sidereal is the definition of unfixed since every 72 years it has to be shifted one degree. Then stars are also always shifting and burning out so it is not something that is eternal or logical to base your calculations around. The rishis definitely used tropical rashis.
@@EyeOfTheVeda This is a very big nonsense, and you are not talking about a real phenomenon; what you are saying is not astronomically correct, as those stars are still shining just as they have for thousands of years, they are not extinguishing. By that logic, someone could also say that they do not take the Sun into account because it will eventually burn out and that will be the end. Your arguments are at the level of a kitchen lady. You are not paying attention to the fact that 99.9% of the risks used sidereal time; the texts are there. But go ahead and keep spreading your lies.
Brihat samhita chapter 102, verse 1. Verse clearly states that all the padas of Ashwini, Bharani and a part of Kritika are in Aries.
He continues with structure of Taurus sign and specifies that it has remaining part of Kritika, all padas of Rohini and part of Mrigshira nakshatra. Period.
Verse 2 states that half of Mrigshira nakshatra (ie. 2 padas), all of Ardra and part of Punarvasu are in Gemini sign. It further states that one remaining pada of Punarvasu, all of Pushya and Ashlesha nakshatras are in Cancer sign. In the same manner, the following verses in chapter 102 continue with all the 12 signs and establish their fixed relationship with specific nakshatras.
Verse 7 is the perfect closure for the chapter that simply says Ashwini, Magha and Moola nakshatras start respectively at Aries, Leo and Sagittarius.
Now where is any logical scope left to think of changing this fixed mapping in the sky?
Its interesting you would quote Varahamihira since many in the current sidereal world dismiss him since he was clearly using tropical. He does state that but elsewhere contradicts this statement by saying that those rashis start at tropiocal points. I appreciate you sharing this but I am aware of this and there is much more to the topic of Varahamihira and what his calculations were. Funny thing is he technically did both since the sidereal and tropical zodiacs were conjunct at the time of his writings.
Here is a talk from 2007 that goes into it much more in detail than I had time to explain here that started this movement, if you want to get to the root of why this movement has happened.
vedic-astrology.net/FreeClasses/Ayanamsa-and-Rasis.asp
vedic-astrology.net/FreeClasses/Ayanamsa-and-Rasis.mp3
Let me know if you want more info, I can share volumes more if interested in testing and learning. But if set in your ways, no worries, we can agree to disagree. I used sidereal from 2007-2012.
@@EyeOfTheVeda 99.9% of the astrologers who are currently alive and operate in villages across India as local brahmin astrologers are, according to you, all foolish and mistaken, and their ancestors, their gurus, have also been wrong for thousands of years. This is a very harsh statement.
@@EyeOfTheVeda Varahamihira suggested in Brhat Samhita 8.23. counting of Guru’s position from Dhanishtha because according to him, the Jovian year 1, in the cycle of 60, coincided with Danishtha.
Varahamihira likely used Sidereal Zodiac for reckoning Guru’s movement through the zodiac and the Jovian Years.
Varahamihira likely used True Chitra Paksha Ayanamsa or one closer to that for reckoning Guru’s position vis-a-vis the Jovian years.
@@EyeOfTheVeda I also find it very interesting and amusing that you bring up Varahamihira, the esteemed astrologer, as an example, who clearly calculated using a sidereal system, and it is likely that he may have used the Pushya-paksha ayanamsa.
I'll listen this talk one more time but I like the shades and glad that I understand everything you said without being direct. I smiled a lot. For me, personally I switch between zodiacs. For Mundane things, it's always tropical zodiac and modern techniques. I follow a lot of astrologers and they always get to the point with tropical astrology. However for natives and birth chart reading I stick with sidereal zodiac and it's always impress me how much simply just planets & combinations & karakas works perfectly.
Totally. For astrology to work, one really has to come to see it with their own eyes, and they must trust the calculations that seem to reflect that most for them. And the client should not really be too concerned with all that really, just let them use what they are best with.
@@EyeOfTheVeda I can't comprehend what the point would be in jumping between the tropical and sidereal systems when the machine is already calculating in sidereal. Very few people use the tropical system. Believe me, this theory will never be popular.
the corey-isms in this video are 🥰😍
The reason I got into astrology was because of the tropical sun sign astrology, I never gave it up, even after discovering sidereal Jyotish
Thank you. What is your favorite Jaimini technique(s)? Jaimini seems to really work better tropically.
Gosh hard to say, so many good ones! I really love the simple indications of the svamsa, like being a cancer svamsa and living abroad, Gemini and skin issues, etc.
I also love the 11th from pada techniques, and all the stuff from the pada. I am getting more familiar and comfortable with argala these days as well.
What about you?
Hey there! So I got a little into it. I love the universe for this next layer of depth and truth although it means that I have to start over again.
Very quickly after my comment here I came across another channel. The way he explains this method (spoiler: using tropical with the sun AND sidereal for the moon) makes SO MUCH sense to me. In the depth of my being: this just feels true. Maybe you can also get something out of it: ua-cam.com/video/sT2JnTbmBNI/v-deo.html
All the best!
Yea short answer - Vic basically acts like he started this when he really took the idea from Ernst Wilhelm and then pretended like he came up with it for years until this big debate on it in 2017 and then he finally passed the buck to Ernst when they started grilling him as if to take some of the pressure off. He is a very abrasive guy that doesnt speak for our movement overall but yea thats the same thing.
The truth of that is that the Moon rules the nakshatras, the lunar zodiac, which are meant to be kept sidereal. Thats what I do as well. This video is about rashis, signs. The signs the moon goes thru, as in the 12 sign zodiac, is always tropical.
Everyone has some pieces of the puzzle, no one on youtube has it all... glad you were able to get something out of this video!
@@EyeOfTheVeda
Yeah - I could see something like this coming. All good!
You leave the nakshatra placements with sidereal. Everything else (houses & signs) tropical?
I'm wondering about something else. If you digged into that already - maybe you have a clue for me. Astrology based on 13 months. I fell really drawn to go down that rabbit hole!
I will def. follow your content! Thank you!
Just found your channel, my background is western astrology and i always thought the primary difference between Vedic and Western was the use of sidereal v tropical. So when you talk about tropical Vedic, I’m now confused, lol. Aside from the terminology and chart styles and the emphasis on Rahu/ Ketu (which I believe are the north and south lunar nodes in western) are there any major differences in the actual energies of the planets and luminaries? For example, I dont know the Vedic name for Saturn but in western astrology it is the energy of contraction, challenges and the wisdom we gain through those challenges, maturity and old age, caution, and success through hard work and discipline. In Vedic astrology is that planet associated with similar themes, as well as all the others???
Oh perfect, glad you found me. Yes its a common misnomer that to use tropical is "western" and to use sidereal is "vedic" when in reality there are many westerners that use sidereal and many easterners that use tropical.
So its much more nuanced than that. There are entire schools of jyotish in india that use tropical only!
And there is a big movement going on now to shift to tropical vedic astrology because when you read the actual shastras and go through it, there is much more evidence that the Hindus used tropical zodiac until around 500 AD. I cover this more in depth in my course but am happy to share more free links and info on this because its very important for people to know.
What really makes one a vedic or western astrologer is the techniques they use, which are different.
But the overall meanings of things like saturn are relatively the same although there is definitely a different flavor or angle you will get, and while I know Im biased, I feel jyotish is vastly more rich in its information here than the west. Indian astrology has tons of source texts and traditions to draw from.
Watch this vid it might help you get a grasp of the differences in a simple way ua-cam.com/video/9aDKLzpcwpQ/v-deo.html
@@EyeOfTheVeda Brihat samhita chapter 102, verse 1. Verse clearly states that all the padas of Ashwini, Bharani and a part of Kritika are in Aries. Verse 7 is the perfect closure for the chapter that simply says Ashwini, Magha and Moola nakshatras start respectively at Aries, Leo and Sagittarius.
Now where is any logical scope left to think of changing this fixed mapping in the sky?
For predictions at least based on my experience , sidereal is so accurate . Example , in one of the charts venus is debilitated in sidereal and in tropical it goes to libra . It is a huge difference .
So much ignorance on the comments I just want to close my eyes... 🙈 People don't even know astrology and convinced they know because they feel...
Your comment is false. Most people here are obviously open-minded. You probably didn't even read the comments.
@@Jayasinghe_family Oh I did
Corey, you are the only person I've seen who also noticed the illogical redundancy of a sidereel tropical zodiac on top of nakshatras, effectively "double-counting" Lunar influences. Over the course of my astrology journey, the subject only started making coherent sense once I started using tropical zodiac and vedic techniques, with an emphasis on Jaimini. And that's despite my disagreement with many aspects of Hindu thought. Typical western astrology struck me as often shallow and wishy-washy, while the typical sidereel jyotish paradigm is filled with so many logical inconsistencies (the ayanamsha question among others) not to mention they treat being a sidereelist like its a religious theology and not a question of being results focused practice. The kinds of one-sentence insults you and every other tropical vedic astrologer receive when bringing up this topic is proof in and of itself of that.
It also doesn't help that most people who are interested in astrology don't think about these things that deeply. It's flabbergasting to hear some say "sidereel follows the stars." Any child throughout history, let alone a Rishi or Yogi or scholar, can look up at the night sky and see constellations are not 30 degrees each. The zodiac, by design, has nothing to do with constellations. If anything, the zodiac's division were named after the constellations in those spots at that time as a convenient moniker, and then once precession was discovered, people got confused which was which. There are stars in the sky that are long gone and life on Earth will hardly change. But if the slightest thing happens to our Sun, all life on Earth could be gone. It only makes sense that the relationship between our Earth and our Sun and the impacts of slight changes, should be as important as Earth's relationship to the various nakshatras and stars in the sky far away. A tropical zodiac accounts for this. Keep up the great work.
Thanks I really appreciate the kind words, and I understand completely!
Yes Tropical zodiac makes more sense, it can be calculated easily and there are no ayanamsa issues. HOWEVER being open-minded I have read charts (on Tropical and Sidereal) side by side and there is no denying that Sidereal works best on NATAL charts. HOWEVER, Tropical MIGHT be more accurate for Prashna/Horary astrology; since the materialisation or denial of a Horary question is usually less than 1 year.
The connection the seasons is not so exact, in the southern hemisphere the seasons are reversed yet we don't reverse the signs. Near the equator, there are no seasons yet tropical zodiac still works. The strongest connection is the direction the sun is moving in the visible sky, and relative to the earth's equator and electromagnetic field
Yes 100%. Its really because of the directional movement of the Sun across the equator/the earth's "chakras" in a sense. And how that changes all consciousness along with it that is on the earth. That is what the Yogi seems to be alluding to in that chapter that I referred to in Autobiography of a Yogi as well. The reference to the "central course of the Sun through the Earth". You can read it here reluctant-messenger.com/yogananda/chapter_41.htm
It felt like it was too much to go into in this video, but I agree. And it definitely still works below the equator where the seasons are opposite, or even in more unique areas where there only seems to be two seasons.
Can you please share article wrote by david fley
bharatabharati.in/2017/01/30/vedic-origins-of-the-europeans-david-frawley/
Happy to share, any questions just let me know :)
Question: when doing vedic tropical astrology, do you calculate Vimshottari Dasha from the tropical zodiac or sidereal one?
In the tropical vedic astrology movement we keep the nakshatras sidereal, its only the rashis which are tropical. So in this way it separates the nakshatras from rashis. Because its a nakshatra based dasha, your vimshottari dasha might be the exact same if you go to a tropical vedic astrologer as it would be with a traditional one.
Or they may be different, as many jyotishis do not agree on which year length to use, and most still calculate nakshatras ecliptically, and not equatorially, as Surya Siddhanta states they really should be done. This is another thing that the tropical vedic movement has addressed, and I go into this in my nakshatra course as well.
And thats just nakshatra dashas though, keep in mind Rashi dashas would be very different
@@EyeOfTheVeda Then what is the point of using the zodiac sign in a tropical way, if the calculations in the dasa system are based on the sidereal method, especially since you wouldn't be able to do it any other way, as the programs can only do it this way.
@@EyeOfTheVeda In the video, you said that at the beginning of history, calculations were made in the tropical zodiac, but meanwhile, all calculations are done in the sidereal zodiac, including the positions of the planets and other points, as well as the Lagna, the ascendant. What sense would it make to jump between the two systems? Something was seriously overlooked by your friend, the guru, who spreads these misconceptions that lack logic and practicality.
So you do tropical birth chart + whole signs house system + vedic techniques ?
Yea basically but that makes it seem different. Its just the same astrology with sayana ayanamsa or no ayanamsa. It is actually the way vedic astrology was always done until around 500 AD, when the knowledge of the precession of the equinoxes began to be lost and they had to "fix" the zodiac by dialing it back to these stars that old books said marked the beginning of Aries. But as those stars drifted, it got messed up.
There is a lot to it, but you can learn about the tropical vedic astrology movement if you want to know more. Ernst Wilhelm started it in 2007ish.
And all ancient astrology traditions used whole sign houses, yes. But we also use exact house cusps too, (bhava chalita) there is A LOT to real vedic astrology. Remember you are just hearing a small snippet or amsa of what I and my colleagues are doing, the rest is in my patreon courses or in their paid courses. The people that make youtube vids all day, every day, gotta wonder how much time they are actually spending researching and in the trenches with clients?
Ryan Kurczak did a great series on this ayanamsa debate, if you want to learn more.
In this Video Vic clearly says he got convinced to use tropical zodiac thanks to Ernst Wilhelm.
ua-cam.com/video/pjaVyZOGlyY/v-deo.htmlsi=OjtHh-idwFtSMy_z
Thank you for sharing that, I didnt mention him in this video, I would rather discuss my experience with it.
But I do feel I need to add in some info just so you have your facts straight and dont think I was lying:
Yes that was when he finally admitted it after starting that whole debate with Sam Geppi in summer of 2017, where they both had their little debates on it.
It was rather sad for jyotish overall. But until he was getting pressured and blamed by people, Vic always pretended like he came up with the idea.
He was very rude and dismissive to many people on both sides of the camp at that time saying "Im sorry I learned this stuff better than your Gurus" to people on facebook and all. There are screenshots to show it. It got ugly if you were not following it back then... I was following it closely.
Also, how funny this would come up with Mercury retrograde in Jyestha, lol. I talked about my experience during it all in this vid from summer of 2017 if you are curious.
ua-cam.com/video/uejPdGF06uo/v-deo.html
Along with that, when I corrected him about something in a private email he did not reply and then later made a video about it calling me out by name and being critical of an accurate prediction I and others had made about the pandemic, putting them all down while ranking his own predictions higher. So I stopped wanting to associate with him after that experience of treating me and other colleagues so poorly... I had been warned already by many other jyotishis but didnt listen. Interact with him yourself and see how long it takes before he gets very rude or abrasive, hopefully he has changed here....
@@EyeOfTheVeda
Hi thank you for taking your time to reply to me. Sorry for commenting without knowing the facts.
Yes haha he can get snappy. But I tolerate it because he is a genuine scholar of Vedas and astrology and I get to learn so much from him.
@@EyeOfTheVeda
By the way in Tropical he has the Moon on the 6th. When soft planets are in the 6th (unless debilitated) it gives the ability to deal with adversities in a soft diplomatic way.
In Sidereal he has an exalted moon on the 5th. This blesses person with knowledge of MANTRAS (he is a scholar on that subject), predictions (he is an astrologer), dealing with kids (I don't know that aspect about him) and mental creativity (he is an artist who CREATES arts).
In tropical he has Saturn in the 5th, which would make him SLOW but thorough. He would definitely not be witty.
In Sidereal he has a debilitated Saturn in the 4th house. When malefic planets are in or aspecting the 4th, it makes people leave home land and stay away from it.
I would love to know your opinion on that. You be the judge.
Bro do what's best for you India have 6 seasons Tropical have 4 Seasons what's right for you is wrong for someone else's just my taught I do follow all of those Astrology channels you are talking about
Exactly
Also when using Bhrigu Nandi Nadi tropical makes no sense .
Maybe thats where sidereal comes into play?
Please provide some evidence that tropical works. You didn't provide any. You just said it does. Maybe you are right and tropical is more accurate but we would like to see some evidence. No I am NOT saying Sidereal is better.
Yes Tropical zodiac makes more sense, it can be calculated easily and there are no ayanamsa issues. HOWEVER being open-minded I have read charts (on Tropical and Sidereal) side by side and there is no denying that Sidereal works best on NATAL charts. HOWEVER, Tropical MIGHT be more accurate for Prashna/Horary astrology; since the materialisation or denial of a Horary question is usually less than 1 year.
Sure, just see previous examples. Every chart example I have done on this channel since 2017, (over 200 vids) is all with tropical rashis and sidereal nakshatras. Many more examples are in my full courses. The purpose of this video was not to try to prove it or provide evidence, but just to explain to my more newer followers why I switched over.
@@EyeOfTheVeda
Thank you for your response. I am searching right now. By the way may I know which Ayanamsa you use for nakshastras? Is it Lahiri?
@@EyeOfTheVeda
I went through your videos. I can't see any comparative examples between Sidereal and Tropical.
Since you claim that the accuracy is SO profound and different compared to Sidereal, please give these particular examples.
I think combining sidereal and tropical leads to confusion. If one is doing tropical then it’s better to avoid some sidereal concepts like nakshatras in reading the tropical way.
Why I have this opinion is because how much ever I try to explain it to myself I cannot accept a nakshatra like Revathi being a part of Aries neither can I imagine Ashlesha being in Leo. These make no sense.
Yes but it is a scriptural fact that Revati and all these stars were described as being in different rashis at different times. So these two were combined ever since 1700 AD.
So if you read the shastras yourself, and learned from them as a source, you will find it easier to believe, because it is stated there. Sadly most people nowadays learned from youtube sources that may or may not have read the shastras.
@@EyeOfTheVedawhich particular text are you referring to because I will read it myself and find out
@@SR-mv2mf Yes if you read Varahamihiras Panchasiddhantika it gives references to tropical zodiac. Surya siddhanta also at first seems to support sidereal but also gives support to tropical. But to be fair, the texts give support to both, and thats because at that time those two zodiacs were conjoined, so it really didnt matter, and thus the confusion set in.
Quoting from an article
"Varahamihira was considered the wisest man in Avanti (now
Ujjain), the intellectual center of old India. Varahamihira’s texts are
very revealing about the Indian understanding of the Zodiac circa
500 AD.
Sutras 20 - 25 of the third chapter of Varahamihira’s
astronomical text, Panchasiddhantika point towards a Tropical
Zodiac:
20. When the Sun and the Moon plus ten Nakshatras amounts to six Rasis it
is called Vaidhrita, when it amounts to a complete circle it is called Vyatipata,
the time (of Vaidhrita and Vyatipata) is to be ascertained by means of the
degrees passed through by the Sun and the Moon.
21. When the return of the Sun towards the south (summer solstice) took place
from the middle of Ashlesha, then the Ayana was right, at the present time the
Ayana begins from Punarvasu. 21
22. When the degrees of the Ayana are in the opposite direction, and the
quantity to be added to the longitudes of the Sun and Moon amounts to the
degrees of the Sun’s greatest declination, then the Vyatipata takes place when
the sum of longitudes of the Sun and Moon amounts to half a circle. "
@@SR-mv2mf Aryabhata is considered one of the greatest mathematicians and astronomers of all time and he also refered to the tropical zodiac and not the sidereal in his works. You can read a great article on this whole ayanamsa debate here vedic-astrology.net/Articles/Mystery-of-the-Zodiac.pdf
Perfect you said "don't see the forest for the trees" but it really is that you are not seeing the trees for the forest. Very disappointed in hearing this concocted, egocentric, imaginary, so called "new" misconception of a cherry picked astrology system.
There's something also called western sidereal astrology.
Yes exactly, so its not really correct how normal folks say "western" or "vedic" when referring to calculations. Because there are western astrologers that use sidereal and vice versa.
Are you talking of Vic Dicara being the high holy?
my thought as well
Yeah I was thinking the same. Hahaha.
Vic is amazing, he is a wealth of knowledge and a true scholar to vedic arts.
U r just making new dish like pizza+ induan curry....and it will blunder i knew🤔
lol, not true, its actually the original way the Hinduis did it. Find me a shastra that tells you to use sidereal and I'll stand corrected....but even if I was doing that, well....to be fair Indian dominoes is way better than american...idk if you have tried both yet...so thats fine too ;)
Sidereal 13 Zodiac is what the planets actually pass through now. And that's according to NASA........
Lol what we are supposed to be sold now? You prolly still reckon Pluto as a planet
@@astrogumbo Sound like your mad at NASA and at me for telling you what NASA found. Planets are tropical astrology which sayana and Graha are Sidereal astrology which is nakshatracara. So in Sidereal astrology which is 13 astrology has no planets; only grahas.
The truth is that it matters the truth of what race provided the Vedic roots and culture in which the fruits matured and the truth is that it was Aryan invaders, not the native dravidians. So, deep irony to the situation overall
Aryan Invasion Theory - a conjecture of British linguists with no actual evidence has long been discredited by Geneological and Archeological research.
Through evidence of Male genetic research in the Indian subcontinent it has been noted that Aryan “invasion” did not happen. It was largely a theory proposed by a Western professor who obviously thought “savages” of India should have been “civilized” by some mythic Indo-Aryan invaders. This is a theory that soothes egos but not based in reality.
@@SR-mv2mf thats very cute. “Soothing egos” being the rationale behind the multidisciplinary realizations of Aryan influence on ancient India is one of the most delusional and asinine things ive ever heard
Aryan invasion is a myth