Fantastic review guys, thank you for your work on this and for introducing me to Heptanote-very exciting! One point of note though- Paco, you got to let Tom speak his part. You had your turn and Tom was gracious enough to let you speak without interruption. So you really need to grant him the same opportunity. The cross talk and interruptions were frustrating.
Hi, @chrisso! Thanks so much for your nice words They mean a lot for us. And thanks for your honest feedback about interruptions! It's what we need to improve our next videos! It was a live session Tom and I improvised because we were so excited about Heptabase, and how it's covering all the gaps we were missing for years (I'd say decades)! I'm a good listener but in situations of excitement, I lose control (I'm Spanish and emotions are unavoidable :-)))))). I apologize and ask for your comprehension due to the circumstances! Thanks a lot! Much more to come!
@@pacocanteropaperlessmoveme7873 I thoroughly enjoyed the interruptions and the free flow of your enthusiasm! You were winding each other up respectfully as friends and colleagues with obviously different and contrasting characters and approaches. It was fun!! The energy and evident delight from you both inspired me to immediately download and buy for a year. I'm already hugely impressed with Heptabase!
@@PeterButton So glad to hear this! Please, share your impressions! We do really think it covers many gaps we were missing (for decades) to really take the best of ideas (information) and put them to work (action) to really achieve your goals. That's the ultimate goal of ICOR® so, finding a tool with the same vision sounds amazing and worth it to give it a deep try! And that's what we'll do! Much more to come! Cheers!
I thought the way Paco and Tom riffed together in the presentation was actually great. I have watched it a few times now before signing up to Heptabase. Try watch it 1.5 speed and Paco is really on fire then. :-). Seriously though, I think a structured non-interruption version has its place in a training environment but when you got two guys bursting at the seams with enthusiasm for the product then some leeway is needed to run freely to get their thoughts out so people can get a non-filtered honest input from the two. Personally would love more of these unfiltered interactions between Paco and Tom.
@@africandreamchild thanks for your words! Be sure you’ll enjoy more like this, as Tom and I are passionate about productivity! Let’s keep growing together! 🚀🚀🚀🔥🔥🔥
Thank you so much for this overview! I see exactly why you are both so excited about Heptabase, as I have been finding the same utility gaps and overly complicated implementations from other applications. I like Tana, Obsidian, Craft, Logseq, Milanote, and Scrintal, though none of these nailed the "let's just get on with it" approach I wanted from a productivity application. I got lost in the Obsidian plugin rabbit hole and carried away with the Tana supertags. With Heptabase, I get what I need and can benefit from the visual representation of the Map. Obsidian can do all sorts of things, though it reminds me of earlier versions of Microsoft Windows, where items got taped together. I need polish and web-based access. The developer of Heptabase is very clever and has a clear vision for integrating features within a productivity application. As for my plans B and C, I find the Heptabase and Craft get along well together, and with both Heptabase and Craft, I have the regular backup to Obsidian (in case Obsidian gets the polish ad web-based front end I need). With Heptabase, I'm again excited about taking notes. I can't get over just how good this application is, and I wouldn't have given it much thought if it wasn't for your video.
Thanks! I can tell you this is not hype. Heptabase has become a daily reality in our lives. Our PKM never worked better, and you’ll see how we increase the speed of product launches! Stay tuned, and let’s keep growing together! 🚀🚀🚀
This looks really interesting. I am looking forward to Tom's review, at a more sensible speed! It is amusing to me that Heptabase's wiki is stored on Notion and not their own product.
Hi and thanks for commenting, @implusesystems! There'll be a ton of content related to note-taking, PKM for busy professionals, and Heptabase in the coming weeks. The wiki thing will change pretty soon. Heptabase's team is focused on delivering new features and improvement for the users, and that's not a priority right now but, as you've said, it makes no sense at all!
@@pacocanteropaperlessmoveme7873 Thanks, I'll be looking out for its progress. I like the PDF text extraction, which I had previously seen in LiquidText. My partner likes the mind mapping, which she can use for book/plot planning. We'd both like an eval period but I understand your stated reasons for not offering this yet.
@@impulsesystems They'll launch a pretty useful and great feature related to mind mapping. Any node of the mind map can be (literally) ANY object of Heptabase, so you can imagine how powerful this is. It's literally awesome! Talking about pricing, they're evaluating offering an eval period (not sure yet), so stay tuned!
In the white board where you say “Heptabase has it all but better” you show Mem on the bottom under the header AI note taking. This seems to insinuate that Heptabase has AI features but you guys didn’t mention any. Do they have AI features? Right now I think the ability to ask questions of an AI and have it respond with answers across your entire note database it the killer app. It’s what’s makes Mem so powerful. And I’ve been able to add it to Obsidian as well (though it doesn’t work as well.) If Heptabase has an “ask my vault/database” feature I’d become extremely interested.
Hi guys! Thanks for the update. Do you have course on how to exit EVERNOTE? Obviously the move will involve moving to a combination of several different apps. BTW, until you have a course up and running, which app do NOW Use as a document dump -- Evernote's core feature, WEB-CLIPPER, etc. Thx again for doing the hard work of sorting through all of the noise of the 'latest and greatest' new apps/tech.
Hey, great video and I love both of your enthusiasm and live demos. I use Roam but am eager to switch to Heptabase. Could you add to your queue a course on migration from Roam to Heptabase? Thanks!
Hi, @CLocs0!!! Thanks for your feedback. Roam began my journey to linked notes moving from Evernote after 10 years using the elephant (you can imagine the shock!). You won't need that migration course, as Heptabase has subtleties that will remind you a lot to Roam, an amazing tool and disruptive tool at that moment. On top of that, Heptabase is thought to be as simple as possible for users, as it has distilled the best of many note-taking tools, so the learning curve is much shorter. Finally, you'll see that, instead of ending with a graph you don't even understand (at least, that was my final destination), you'll have build an amazing PKM that'll let you take action to achieve your goals. I have no doubt! I've been using and testing all these workflows for decades using different tools. The beauty of Heptabase is that now I just need one tool to cover them all! Stay tuned!
wow - you must be over the moon to discover heptabase "one tool to cover them all" I gotta figure your head is exploding with excitement. @@pacocanteropaperlessmoveme7873
You are right. Often feels like they care most about the system and come up with another one every few months. I get what Tom said, but I’d prefer to learn more about quality of notes, how to organize and structure them, etc. It’s like we learn about new pens and paper every here and there but nobody teaches us how to write.
I'm very much a visual note-taker, and find that using a card as an atomic unit is important that I can link to other cards with ease. Being able to see each card and it's relationship with other cards is very powerful as this the catalyst for more ideas or spotting gaps or opportunities. I'm please that Hyptabase can do this as this is an important feature. Yes, Obsidian has the Canvas but this is a bolt on as the relationship created in the canvas aren't reflected as a BD link. Heptabase is missing a key feature which is the reason I don't use it, which granted isn't an important reasons for many and that is it doesn't have the ability to collaborate with other people and for me this is a showstopper. Scrintal on the otherhand does have this ability, it does visual note-taking and is $5 a month less than Heptabase. Scrintal confidentially has an export to markdown feature so if it isn't for you you can migrate to elsewhere.
Don't worry, @bigfox196. You'll see our roadmap of courses pretty soon, as we'll launch three of them directly connected to the world of note-taking: note-taking system (to understand what note-taking is, how to manage the main workflows, and clearly identify the different types of tools existing in the market) + PKM system (to move from information to action, our ultimate goal when we created ICOR®) + Heptabase (although all our courses have 3 layers, concepts, workflows, and implementation, we think the implementation layer in the PKM system is not enough to take the best of your knowledge. That's why we'll create a course based on Heptabase, the tool we consider that fits the best to busy professionals to move their information to clearly defined actions that'll let them achieve their goals. So, stay tuned!
Guys, how can we consider this app without any explanation of the apps security, encryption, data processing location, view / position on user’s data rights, Heptabase’s ability to read / see our data, etc…??? In this day and age of government overreach, data privacy and security are table stakes! Doesn’t matter how pretty and interesting it is, if my data isn’t mine and mine alone!
Again, look at their website where every tool has to show all the details you are demanding. It’s in your own responsibility to read the terms & conditions of any product or service you sign up for. If you can or cannot use a tool also varies heavily between companies you want to use those tools in. Making a video about this legal area of a tool is dangerous as things change over time so the information in the video will be outdated very quickly. We are here to show you what’s possible to do with those tools. If in doubt ask your legal advisor or cyber security expert in your company.
@LRMattG @paperlessmovement . I watched the video with the owner who backups directly to his own drive. So whilst I agree Heptabase privacy overall not great at the moment with no E2EE you can self store for time being. No doubt Alan and his team will develop privacy especially with new technologies like P2P which takes Privacy to where think most want it, complete control and privacy. For Tom and Paco, LRMattG comments echos many peoples concerns about Privacy and often basing their decision to use it and rightly so on it. The interview with Heptbase convinced me that Alan (who is next level smart) will add additional privacy measures going forward and not ignore these concerns. They have also Markdown export so if want to exit if they don’t add additional privacy in the future then you have that option. After signing up and having the most frictionless start happy to give Heptabase leeway to improve security.
Heptabase is nice, but after trying it, I've found that it eats of your discspace. It is both locally and online, so if you for example add a 100mb video into Heptabase, you have 100mb less storage on your computer. If you add that up over time, it will grow. Back to Roam where I can upload and not think about storage. Another feature missing from HeptaBase is the transclusion. It's coming, and that will be nice!
Love this. Ohhh need the dark version for sure. Thank a not what meant. Was responding to something in the video. Will update shortly. Thanks though Got Hetpabase today. Love it so far.
Reply 2 of 3 - The Use of Data section implies heavy inspection, reading, scraping analysis of user data by Heptabase’s technicians. The sentence is rather chilling, “We will retain your Personal Data only for as long as is necessary for the purposes set out in this Privacy Policy.” … when users decide to leave a product, they expect to be able to export and wipe their existence. There is a section, Transfer of Data, that does imply the primary data processing / retention will be in, or moved to, the United States, but doesn’t go further into details. The Disclosure of Data section may be the most concerning, with statements concerning the disclosure of personal data to affiliates for various reasons. None of that is assuring for data privacy. There are several sections about data privacy laws (this is good), and a section about the “selling of user data”, which users can request be ceased, but making the user’s data commercially viable, AFTER paying for subscription, isn’t likely what most user’s will understand unless they read the fine print.
Thanks for sharing all this. However it seems reply 3/3 is missing. That’s why we also prefer to have this type of discussions inside our closed membership community. In our opinion, UA-cam isn’t the place for long form communication, unfortunately.
@@paperlessmovement well, thank you for reading what was able to make it through googles filters! My enclosing comments, included, thanking you and Parker for making such high-quality videos, and my wishes and hope that this product survives in improves long-term as I think the concept really is good. Thank you for taking time to reply!
Not sure I will like this.. started using capacities and am enjoying that combined with napkin although I see lazy app is out soon so I’ll keep that in mind. so for me, capacities is cleaner, the only other app I may use is supernotes as it’s heavy favourable on atomic notes but idk… too many options and ppl are stuck in limbo
Okay, going to try this again… “U-Tube” is unbelievable with the supp-ression of reply posts!! I’ll break this up into 3 posts and wait some time in between posting these: Reply 1 of 3 - Tom / Paco, Firstly, let me clarify a few things: I subscribed to your channel a few weeks ago, and have enjoyed your videos very much. Your approach towards concepts rather than specific products (only) is commendable, wise, and thoughtful, as products come and go. My comments on this product, were made using my iPad, and I was trying to keep it short and pithy; didn’t mean to sound aggressive - my apologies. Still my underlying concerns remain. I am willing to pay a subscription for products that provide a high level of security, data protection, and privacy. Before commenting, I had looked at Heptabase’s Privacy Policy and my concerns were generated from there…
9:50+ 10:41 hepta base are funcții din mai multe aplicații și le face putin din toate cât mai simplu Miro, mem, tana, roam, mindnote scrintal 20:54 pentru studenți scris lucrări licență Master citești PDF uri cu studii highlight părțile care te interesează și drag and drop foarte ușor în whitwbord
Can you please make a video for systems that can work using only an Ipad? Notion is definitely out of the question. This Heptabase things seems to go the same way…. Most systems like this are bad on the Ipad. The only ones I’m left with is Craft. Wich seems to be the only one…. Yes apple notes is also duable in combination with calander and task…. And then you gave Notability, Nebo, Goodnotes and all that. But I wouldn’t put them into the Second Brain category . Craft is amazing and beautiful , but I do miss some more features. Like better tools for task managing, databases, integrations, mindmaps, visual representation etc etc,
I'm trying this app now but for some reason I don't have the Assistant (I was hoping to be able to do Semantic Search on my Highlights), and only a small portion of my Readwise Highlights synchronise and their is no sync status anywhere to debug it. Am I missing something ?
Coming from Obsidian, I spent weeks with Heptabase and have to say: Why exactly does this "beat" Obsidian, I just don't see it. I am lacking lots of usability and features like full PDF indexing from Heptabase. Heptabase seems like a nice concept with very few features, zero plugins and no integrations outside of Readwise? I just cancelled my Heptabase account, going back to Obsidian.
do you know how long more or less it takes to get access to lazy? right now I'm organizing everything in mem because I don't know when I will get access to lazy...
Thanks for bringing up Anytype, @e.m.ag876, @africandreamchild, @ugur.bektes However, Anytype is a complete different approach and doesn't even provide Whiteboards to lay out and connect notes manually. It's a crucial part of what we think is necessary to develop thinking. Anyway, it's a great tool to make a comparison with in the future. So thanks again for sharing! 💚
@@paperlessmovement That's true. Anytype is more like a Notion competitor. Are you guys planning to make an Anytype video anytime soon since they released a new version?
I was in the group of Alpha testers of Anytype, and you cannot compare both tools as they have different approaches to the world of note-taking. Yet, Anytype is an amazing product with a fantastic approach!
While Tiago Forte's PARA method has garnered attention, especially among Knowledge Workers and Students, we respectfully disagree with its effectiveness for busy professionals. We believe it may not provide the comprehensive, pragmatic solutions needed to thrive in high-demand environments. If you are a busy professional, then we'd like to introduce you to our own methodology, ICOR (INPUT CONTROL OUTPUT REFINE), which is part of the Paperless Movement Membership. ICOR is designed to offer end-to-end productivity solutions that are proven to work not just for individuals but also in corporate settings and for business owners juggling multiple ventures. We're also excited to announce that we are about to launch a dedicated Heptabase course that will delve into how ICOR can be applied in various scenarios, offering you tailored solutions to meet your unique challenges.If you want to learn more about this course, have a look here: paperlessmovement.com/heptabase-course/
There will be a proper comparison video coming soon. But to start with, it would be the whiteboards. It's not about providing one (like Canvas in Obsidian) but how it's integrated with the overall knowledge management system. Stay tuned for more on that soon! 💚
I"m a huge Obsidian-fan, but as I see the key point what hooked me to Heptabase is how all of the features are implemented with focusing on one single main goal: to serve your thinking, to let you create new texts based on the existing knowledge base. Everything implemented in Hepta is there for a good reason, while Obsidian offers a swiss-army knife for your thinking, it is a general tool which has a tons of plugins because of the strong community (including myself). Which means that it has a bit longer learning curve, days or even weeks to set up your own system. The other side of the coin is Obsidian offers offline-first, everything what you write there, is stored as plain text. While hepta offers import/export to md, but it does not contain your connection settings, colors, link labels etc. I hope they improve it in the future.
I’ve been using Hepta for a year and IMO the core difference is the user experience rather than any specific feature. Hepta really shines at getting me hooked into the flow of thinking and help me do my work better. In Obsidian, there's a lot of similar features, but they just aren't as nicely integrated together as Hepta.
@@ARNBNDL Hi! I've spent couple of hours to compare them in many aspects and I would say that currently Hepta's import/export functionality is still not complete, which makes it a bit vendor-locker. In concept you're right, these are the same Whiteboards are canvases, cards are notes. But, while Hepta is a well-designed specific tool to create your next note based on the existing ones, Obsidian offers plenty of options and plugins (more than 1000!) which means that you can lost in them easily. I wanted to set up a constellation of plugins and settings in Obsidian which serves is relatively same workflow (like creating a new note while you keep some open) and it has taken 4+ hours with research and investigation. This is what Hepta is offering, to turn it to zero. But, as Hepta still have a very limited Application for mobiles, and as I said it lacks in aspect of import/export, I still did not moved from Obsidian. Nevertheless the Hepta guys mentioned that they're working on these, so I hope they will be able to deliver the fixes/improvements relatively soon.
All I need is something as simple and intuitive as Evernote. Not complex systems of maps, charts, different personalities of my life etc. And I seriously don't see this as a challenge to Evernote just yet.
how dare you delete my comment if you can't hear the truth then leave your work. It is not even 1% of obsidian capabilities and obsidian is completely free and we own everything. You deleted my detailed comment 😡😡😡😡.
@@paperlessmovement ok no problem. But i didn't even said anything wrong about anything. I just write about the features of obsidian and why it is better. But no problem and sry for my misunderstanding😊😊.
While there will be a free trial available, it is important to understand that expecting to use a tool for free indefinitely is not a reasonable expectation. If the return on investment justifies it, an app company should be compensated for their efforts in order to sustain the application for users. Or have we misinterpreted your comment?
Shame on you. You are telling me pricey heptabase beats freemium obsidian. I am already paying a lot of bills for ai, plethora of software, electricity and what not. So no thanks. Obsidian fits my simple pkm and I am a programmer so it gives me the power to customize/autmate the way i want it to behave according to my needs.
Thanks for sharing your opinion with us. As we’ll share in an upcoming video, there are big differences between Obsidian and Heptabase and there are reasons to use either/or both. Many of our members are already very busy in their jobs, not as excited as others customizing Obsidian PLUS they prefer to get web access to their content. Those are the people who we’ll help to be pragmatic and use simple to use but still best in market tools. More about this in our upcoming video. So stay tuned if you want to learn more about our why behind Heptabase. You might be surprised 😉💚
Of course you’re tool agnostic, you then get to sell a new course for the new tool. Confirmation bias at it’s finest. Any guy that hops tools the way you do is: 1. Very ungerman 2. Not serious about productivity which must be underscored by stability. Goof ball.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. It seems there might be a misunderstanding about what the Paperless Movement represents and how our ICOR methodology operates within the realm of productivity. We embrace a tool-agnostic approach not to promote frequent tool-switching, but to empower professionals to choose tools that best align with their unique workflows and challenges. This approach is deeply rooted in our ICOR methodology, which stands for INPUT, CONTROL, OUTPUT, and REFINE. Each stage is designed to enhance productivity holistically, regardless of the tools used. Our focus is on the process and effectiveness, rather than loyalty to any specific tool. This aligns well with the diverse and evolving needs of busy professionals who we cater to. Stability in productivity doesn't necessarily come from using a single tool, but from a consistent and adaptable framework that supports various tools and technologies as needs evolve. Your points about cultural expectations and seriousness in productivity are noted. However, we believe that being adaptable and responsive to changing technological landscapes is a strength, especially in today's fast-paced world. Our courses and community support reflect this ethos. I hope this clarifies our stance. We’re committed to providing valuable, practical solutions for enhanced productivity, and we welcome any further questions or discussions about our methods and philosophy.
It's clear that your “approach" aligns with your business interests, which seems like a classic case of confirmation bias. This strategy might be beneficial for creating new courses and clickbait, but it may not always serve the best interests of the users. Consider the perspective of Tiago Forte on tools. His high credibility stems from not having a vested interest in promoting specific tools through courses. Additionally, your frequent switching between tools doesn't align with the German reputation for efficiency. This practice isn't efficient at all. It raises questions about your adherence to the German ethos known for prioritizing efficiency, as your approach seems more focused on exploring different tools (e.g., questioning if something is a 'Notion killer' or a 'Mem killer') rather than sticking to a consistent, efficient system. Are you not ethically German? Maybe Polish? Tool hoping is very Untermensch. This constant tool-hopping, seemingly for content creation and course sales, borders on toxic productivity. It's unrealistic for the average person or "busy professional" to switch tools so frequently. While there's nothing wrong with making money or entrepreneurship, this method contributes to the toxic nature of the productivity space. It might be beneficial to reevaluate and address the potential confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance in your approach and take notes from Tiago. On another note, it seems like all your videos are promos for your courses and lack concrete value other than funnels into your membership. @@paperlessmovement
Thank you for your feedback, @BronzeAgeDeviant While we appreciate diverse perspectives, it's crucial to address certain misunderstandings about our approach and offerings. At the Paperless Movement, we pride ourselves on being tool agnostic. This principle is integral to our ICOR methodology, ensuring that our members find the best tools to fit their unique workflows. Our comprehensive membership model is designed to provide all-inclusive access to our resources, differentiating us from competitors who rely on upsells or cross-sales. We understand the value of constructive criticism; however, it's essential for feedback to be informed and based on actual experience with our offerings. Unfortunately, it appears that your comments may not be rooted in a thorough understanding of our services or philosophy. Regarding cultural references and personal attacks, we believe these are not conducive to a productive discussion. At the Paperless Movement, we advocate for a respectful and open dialogue, free from cultural stereotypes and personal disparagements. We recognize the ease of sharing opinions anonymously online. However, we invite those with genuine concerns or constructive feedback to reach out directly via LinkedIn or email. This approach facilitates a more meaningful and direct conversation, allowing us to address specific issues or misconceptions more effectively. We remain committed to supporting busy professionals in their journey towards effective and adaptable productivity. Thank you for your input, and we hope any future discussions can be held in a more direct and constructive manner.
Dislike on this one. Why Obsidian beats Heptabase, Heptabase cost too much money and the mobile app is super terrible. As far as I concerned, Heptabase is super crap software because of the paywall, or it simply doesn't exist because of the paywall. Mobile app is a joke. Either way Heptabase is a poor option for any serious note taker and Obsidian is King for all the obvious reasons. Privacy, markdowns, AI, FULLY FUNCTIONAL mobile app, FREE, plug ins etc etc. Heptabase looks great from what you are showing but honestly, as they ripped off other note apps I'm sure someone will rip this one off too and make it free.
Each to their own hey? I found Obsidian too complex to onboard and Heptabase solved that within hours of signing up. Happy to pay a company for something that is palatable cost wise relative to benefit it gives in solving my needs for frictionless working.
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can Heptabase be used together with Ratta's Supernote?
I really enjoyed the guest talking about how he organised his knowledge in Heptabase. Will try and replicate it on Obsidian Canvas.
love the enthusiasm in sharing about Heptabase - my fav pkm app
Good to know you're already in!
Fantastic review guys, thank you for your work on this and for introducing me to Heptanote-very exciting!
One point of note though-
Paco, you got to let Tom speak his part. You had your turn and Tom was gracious enough to let you speak without interruption. So you really need to grant him the same opportunity. The cross talk and interruptions were frustrating.
Hi, @chrisso! Thanks so much for your nice words They mean a lot for us. And thanks for your honest feedback about interruptions! It's what we need to improve our next videos! It was a live session Tom and I improvised because we were so excited about Heptabase, and how it's covering all the gaps we were missing for years (I'd say decades)! I'm a good listener but in situations of excitement, I lose control (I'm Spanish and emotions are unavoidable :-)))))). I apologize and ask for your comprehension due to the circumstances! Thanks a lot! Much more to come!
@@pacocanteropaperlessmoveme7873 I thoroughly enjoyed the interruptions and the free flow of your enthusiasm! You were winding each other up respectfully as friends and colleagues with obviously different and contrasting characters and approaches. It was fun!!
The energy and evident delight from you both inspired me to immediately download and buy for a year. I'm already hugely impressed with Heptabase!
@@PeterButton So glad to hear this! Please, share your impressions! We do really think it covers many gaps we were missing (for decades) to really take the best of ideas (information) and put them to work (action) to really achieve your goals. That's the ultimate goal of ICOR® so, finding a tool with the same vision sounds amazing and worth it to give it a deep try! And that's what we'll do! Much more to come! Cheers!
I thought the way Paco and Tom riffed together in the presentation was actually great. I have watched it a few times now before signing up to Heptabase. Try watch it 1.5 speed and Paco is really on fire then. :-). Seriously though, I think a structured non-interruption version has its place in a training environment but when you got two guys bursting at the seams with enthusiasm for the product then some leeway is needed to run freely to get their thoughts out so people can get a non-filtered honest input from the two. Personally would love more of these unfiltered interactions between Paco and Tom.
@@africandreamchild thanks for your words! Be sure you’ll enjoy more like this, as Tom and I are passionate about productivity! Let’s keep growing together! 🚀🚀🚀🔥🔥🔥
Thank you so much for this overview! I see exactly why you are both so excited about Heptabase, as I have been finding the same utility gaps and overly complicated implementations from other applications. I like Tana, Obsidian, Craft, Logseq, Milanote, and Scrintal, though none of these nailed the "let's just get on with it" approach I wanted from a productivity application. I got lost in the Obsidian plugin rabbit hole and carried away with the Tana supertags. With Heptabase, I get what I need and can benefit from the visual representation of the Map. Obsidian can do all sorts of things, though it reminds me of earlier versions of Microsoft Windows, where items got taped together. I need polish and web-based access. The developer of Heptabase is very clever and has a clear vision for integrating features within a productivity application. As for my plans B and C, I find the Heptabase and Craft get along well together, and with both Heptabase and Craft, I have the regular backup to Obsidian (in case Obsidian gets the polish ad web-based front end I need). With Heptabase, I'm again excited about taking notes. I can't get over just how good this application is, and I wouldn't have given it much thought if it wasn't for your video.
Thanks! I can tell you this is not hype. Heptabase has become a daily reality in our lives. Our PKM never worked better, and you’ll see how we increase the speed of product launches! Stay tuned, and let’s keep growing together! 🚀🚀🚀
This looks really interesting. I am looking forward to Tom's review, at a more sensible speed!
It is amusing to me that Heptabase's wiki is stored on Notion and not their own product.
Hi and thanks for commenting, @implusesystems! There'll be a ton of content related to note-taking, PKM for busy professionals, and Heptabase in the coming weeks. The wiki thing will change pretty soon. Heptabase's team is focused on delivering new features and improvement for the users, and that's not a priority right now but, as you've said, it makes no sense at all!
@@pacocanteropaperlessmoveme7873 Thanks, I'll be looking out for its progress.
I like the PDF text extraction, which I had previously seen in LiquidText. My partner likes the mind mapping, which she can use for book/plot planning. We'd both like an eval period but I understand your stated reasons for not offering this yet.
@@impulsesystems They'll launch a pretty useful and great feature related to mind mapping. Any node of the mind map can be (literally) ANY object of Heptabase, so you can imagine how powerful this is. It's literally awesome! Talking about pricing, they're evaluating offering an eval period (not sure yet), so stay tuned!
In the white board where you say “Heptabase has it all but better” you show Mem on the bottom under the header AI note taking. This seems to insinuate that Heptabase has AI features but you guys didn’t mention any. Do they have AI features? Right now I think the ability to ask questions of an AI and have it respond with answers across your entire note database it the killer app. It’s what’s makes Mem so powerful. And I’ve been able to add it to Obsidian as well (though it doesn’t work as well.) If Heptabase has an “ask my vault/database” feature I’d become extremely interested.
Thanks for sharing. I'm in love!
We too, Steven!
Hi guys! Thanks for the update. Do you have course on how to exit EVERNOTE? Obviously the move will involve moving to a combination of several different apps. BTW, until you have a course up and running, which app do NOW Use as a document dump -- Evernote's core feature, WEB-CLIPPER, etc. Thx again for doing the hard work of sorting through all of the noise of the 'latest and greatest' new apps/tech.
Stay tuned as we’ll release a video about this topic VERY soon on our channel!
Hey, great video and I love both of your enthusiasm and live demos. I use Roam but am eager to switch to Heptabase. Could you add to your queue a course on migration from Roam to Heptabase? Thanks!
Hi, @CLocs0!!! Thanks for your feedback. Roam began my journey to linked notes moving from Evernote after 10 years using the elephant (you can imagine the shock!). You won't need that migration course, as Heptabase has subtleties that will remind you a lot to Roam, an amazing tool and disruptive tool at that moment. On top of that, Heptabase is thought to be as simple as possible for users, as it has distilled the best of many note-taking tools, so the learning curve is much shorter. Finally, you'll see that, instead of ending with a graph you don't even understand (at least, that was my final destination), you'll have build an amazing PKM that'll let you take action to achieve your goals. I have no doubt! I've been using and testing all these workflows for decades using different tools. The beauty of Heptabase is that now I just need one tool to cover them all! Stay tuned!
wow - you must be over the moon to discover heptabase "one tool to cover them all" I gotta figure your head is exploding with excitement. @@pacocanteropaperlessmoveme7873
More subscription services? I don't care how good it is. What happens when THEY go away? What happens to my data? No thanks, not for $100 a year.
You are right. Often feels like they care most about the system and come up with another one every few months. I get what Tom said, but I’d prefer to learn more about quality of notes, how to organize and structure them, etc. It’s like we learn about new pens and paper every here and there but nobody teaches us how to write.
I'm very much a visual note-taker, and find that using a card as an atomic unit is important that I can link to other cards with ease. Being able to see each card and it's relationship with other cards is very powerful as this the catalyst for more ideas or spotting gaps or opportunities. I'm please that Hyptabase can do this as this is an important feature.
Yes, Obsidian has the Canvas but this is a bolt on as the relationship created in the canvas aren't reflected as a BD link.
Heptabase is missing a key feature which is the reason I don't use it, which granted isn't an important reasons for many and that is it doesn't have the ability to collaborate with other people and for me this is a showstopper. Scrintal on the otherhand does have this ability, it does visual note-taking and is $5 a month less than Heptabase. Scrintal confidentially has an export to markdown feature so if it isn't for you you can migrate to elsewhere.
Exactly why I use Scrintal. Using card as atomic unit and also the cost, are my 2 reasons I use Scrintal so far.
Nice video but the interruptions where the guest talks over the host when talking was annoying
Can‘t wait for the notetaking course. Still struggling with that…
Don't worry, @bigfox196. You'll see our roadmap of courses pretty soon, as we'll launch three of them directly connected to the world of note-taking: note-taking system (to understand what note-taking is, how to manage the main workflows, and clearly identify the different types of tools existing in the market) + PKM system (to move from information to action, our ultimate goal when we created ICOR®) + Heptabase (although all our courses have 3 layers, concepts, workflows, and implementation, we think the implementation layer in the PKM system is not enough to take the best of your knowledge. That's why we'll create a course based on Heptabase, the tool we consider that fits the best to busy professionals to move their information to clearly defined actions that'll let them achieve their goals. So, stay tuned!
Please do a review on Capacities as a PKM system. Thanks!
Watched again and growing on me. Can see the reason why you so excited. Only nagging issue for me is privacy. What is their privacy credentials?
Check out their website to read the details. But if you worry, they allow you to store your data local only 👍
Guys, how can we consider this app without any explanation of the apps security, encryption, data processing location, view / position on user’s data rights, Heptabase’s ability to read / see our data, etc…???
In this day and age of government overreach, data privacy and security are table stakes! Doesn’t matter how pretty and interesting it is, if my data isn’t mine and mine alone!
Again, look at their website where every tool has to show all the details you are demanding. It’s in your own responsibility to read the terms & conditions of any product or service you sign up for. If you can or cannot use a tool also varies heavily between companies you want to use those tools in. Making a video about this legal area of a tool is dangerous as things change over time so the information in the video will be outdated very quickly. We are here to show you what’s possible to do with those tools. If in doubt ask your legal advisor or cyber security expert in your company.
@LRMattG @paperlessmovement . I watched the video with the owner who backups directly to his own drive. So whilst I agree Heptabase privacy overall not great at the moment with no E2EE you can self store for time being. No doubt Alan and his team will develop privacy especially with new technologies like P2P which takes Privacy to where think most want it, complete control and privacy. For Tom and Paco, LRMattG comments echos many peoples concerns about Privacy and often basing their decision to use it and rightly so on it. The interview with Heptbase convinced me that Alan (who is next level smart) will add additional privacy measures going forward and not ignore these concerns. They have also Markdown export so if want to exit if they don’t add additional privacy in the future then you have that option. After signing up and having the most frictionless start happy to give Heptabase leeway to improve security.
Heptabase is nice, but after trying it, I've found that it eats of your discspace. It is both locally and online, so if you for example add a 100mb video into Heptabase, you have 100mb less storage on your computer.
If you add that up over time, it will grow.
Back to Roam where I can upload and not think about storage.
Another feature missing from HeptaBase is the transclusion. It's coming, and that will be nice!
However, Heptabase supports Web Version, so if you are worried about taking up too much computer memory, how about try Web Version?
It is a true offline mode app where the online version is there as a backup and to sync it to other devices.
We know Tom is just using the web version. So local storage is no issue for him. But would be great to see a switch to only use cloud storage.
Great Video!
Thanks @ClaytonMiller!!!! And thanks for joining our Membership!
Love this. Ohhh need the dark version for sure. Thank a not what meant. Was responding to something in the video. Will update shortly. Thanks though
Got Hetpabase today. Love it so far.
Dark version is supported, so give it a try :)
You have it already, and it's fantastic and really well-polished for "dark lovers" like me!
Paco is on fire 🔥🔥🔥😀
Reply 2 of 3 -
The Use of Data section implies heavy inspection, reading, scraping analysis of user data by Heptabase’s technicians.
The sentence is rather chilling, “We will retain your Personal Data only for as long as is necessary for the purposes set out in this Privacy Policy.” … when users decide to leave a product, they expect to be able to export and wipe their existence.
There is a section, Transfer of Data, that does imply the primary data processing / retention will be in, or moved to, the United States, but doesn’t go further into details.
The Disclosure of Data section may be the most concerning, with statements concerning the disclosure of personal data to affiliates for various reasons. None of that is assuring for data privacy.
There are several sections about data privacy laws (this is good), and a section about the “selling of user data”, which users can request be ceased, but making the user’s data commercially viable, AFTER paying for subscription, isn’t likely what most user’s will understand unless they read the fine print.
Thanks for sharing all this. However it seems reply 3/3 is missing. That’s why we also prefer to have this type of discussions inside our closed membership community. In our opinion, UA-cam isn’t the place for long form communication, unfortunately.
@@paperlessmovement well, thank you for reading what was able to make it through googles filters! My enclosing comments, included, thanking you and Parker for making such high-quality videos, and my wishes and hope that this product survives in improves long-term as I think the concept really is good. Thank you for taking time to reply!
Not sure I will like this.. started using capacities and am enjoying that combined with napkin although I see lazy app is out soon so I’ll keep that in mind. so for me, capacities is cleaner, the only other app I may use is supernotes as it’s heavy favourable on atomic notes but idk… too many options and ppl are stuck in limbo
Okay, going to try this again… “U-Tube” is unbelievable with the supp-ression of reply posts!! I’ll break this up into 3 posts and wait some time in between posting these:
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Tom / Paco,
Firstly, let me clarify a few things:
I subscribed to your channel a few weeks ago, and have enjoyed your videos very much. Your approach towards concepts rather than specific products (only) is commendable, wise, and thoughtful, as products come and go.
My comments on this product, were made using my iPad, and I was trying to keep it short and pithy; didn’t mean to sound aggressive - my apologies. Still my underlying concerns remain.
I am willing to pay a subscription for products that provide a high level of security, data protection, and privacy.
Before commenting, I had looked at Heptabase’s Privacy Policy and my concerns were generated from there…
Great video - thank you - how does it handle TASKS ?
Heptabase is not meant to be a task manager of any kind. This being said, we are confident there is a lot more to come in the near future 🚀✨
no free tier and only 7 days free trial is not very cool
getting goosebumps, be still heart.
9:50+ 10:41 hepta base are funcții din mai multe aplicații și le face putin din toate cât mai simplu
Miro, mem, tana, roam, mindnote scrintal
20:54 pentru studenți scris lucrări licență Master citești PDF uri cu studii highlight părțile care te interesează și drag and drop foarte ușor în whitwbord
Can you please make a video for systems that can work using only an Ipad?
Notion is definitely out of the question. This Heptabase things seems to go the same way…. Most systems like this are bad on the Ipad. The only ones I’m left with is Craft. Wich seems to be the only one…. Yes apple notes is also duable in combination with calander and task….
And then you gave Notability, Nebo, Goodnotes and all that. But I wouldn’t put them into the Second Brain category . Craft is amazing and beautiful , but I do miss some more features. Like better tools for task managing, databases, integrations, mindmaps, visual representation etc etc,
I'm trying this app now but for some reason I don't have the Assistant (I was hoping to be able to do Semantic Search on my Highlights), and only a small portion of my Readwise Highlights synchronise and their is no sync status anywhere to debug it. Am I missing something ?
Doesn't have PayPal. I don't like to give card details to tools I don't know and especially for trying.
Take a drink Everytime he says BOOM! lol
Coming from Obsidian, I spent weeks with Heptabase and have to say: Why exactly does this "beat" Obsidian, I just don't see it. I am lacking lots of usability and features like full PDF indexing from Heptabase. Heptabase seems like a nice concept with very few features, zero plugins and no integrations outside of Readwise? I just cancelled my Heptabase account, going back to Obsidian.
do you know how long more or less it takes to get access to lazy? right now I'm organizing everything in mem because I don't know when I will get access to lazy...
Tried it on my Ipad with no luck… Can’t seem to log in or something :S
What about Napkin as a starter atomic note taker, reviewer?
Have you tried Anytype ? Really mind blowing
Yeah signed up, was hoping Tom would cover it.
Agree 💯. Would be nice if they review Anytype.
Thanks for bringing up Anytype, @e.m.ag876, @africandreamchild, @ugur.bektes However, Anytype is a complete different approach and doesn't even provide Whiteboards to lay out and connect notes manually. It's a crucial part of what we think is necessary to develop thinking. Anyway, it's a great tool to make a comparison with in the future. So thanks again for sharing! 💚
@@paperlessmovement That's true. Anytype is more like a Notion competitor. Are you guys planning to make an Anytype video anytime soon since they released a new version?
I was in the group of Alpha testers of Anytype, and you cannot compare both tools as they have different approaches to the world of note-taking. Yet, Anytype is an amazing product with a fantastic approach!
Make it free and create a pro play with more features for those who want it. It's way more accessible this way
Könntest du zeigen wie man die PARA Methode von Tiago Forte in Hepta anwendet?
While Tiago Forte's PARA method has garnered attention, especially among Knowledge Workers and Students, we respectfully disagree with its effectiveness for busy professionals. We believe it may not provide the comprehensive, pragmatic solutions needed to thrive in high-demand environments.
If you are a busy professional, then we'd like to introduce you to our own methodology, ICOR (INPUT CONTROL OUTPUT REFINE), which is part of the Paperless Movement Membership.
ICOR is designed to offer end-to-end productivity solutions that are proven to work not just for individuals but also in corporate settings and for business owners juggling multiple ventures.
We're also excited to announce that we are about to launch a dedicated Heptabase course that will delve into how ICOR can be applied in various scenarios, offering you tailored solutions to meet your unique challenges.If you want to learn more about this course, have a look here: paperlessmovement.com/heptabase-course/
Seems very good! Have you tried it with iPad/Apple Pencil too? Thanks!
They are currently working on a all new mobile / iPad version! We'll wait for it to be released before we review them (estimated this month)!
So hard to listen to eachother isnt it
Lots of BOOM
Lazy needs tags badly. I disagree about its potential. It needs a lot of work.
I agree…Lazy didn’t deliver on their promises
Manic lunacy, so off base it defies belief. Borders on performance art! I would pay to watch this guy!
I also do not see how this is better than Obsidian. What functionality does it provide that is not possible in Obsidian?
There will be a proper comparison video coming soon. But to start with, it would be the whiteboards. It's not about providing one (like Canvas in Obsidian) but how it's integrated with the overall knowledge management system. Stay tuned for more on that soon! 💚
I"m a huge Obsidian-fan, but as I see the key point what hooked me to Heptabase is how all of the features are implemented with focusing on one single main goal: to serve your thinking, to let you create new texts based on the existing knowledge base. Everything implemented in Hepta is there for a good reason, while Obsidian offers a swiss-army knife for your thinking, it is a general tool which has a tons of plugins because of the strong community (including myself). Which means that it has a bit longer learning curve, days or even weeks to set up your own system. The other side of the coin is Obsidian offers offline-first, everything what you write there, is stored as plain text. While hepta offers import/export to md, but it does not contain your connection settings, colors, link labels etc. I hope they improve it in the future.
I’ve been using Hepta for a year and IMO the core difference is the user experience rather than any specific feature. Hepta really shines at getting me hooked into the flow of thinking and help me do my work better. In Obsidian, there's a lot of similar features, but they just aren't as nicely integrated together as Hepta.
@@ARNBNDL Hi! I've spent couple of hours to compare them in many aspects and I would say that currently Hepta's import/export functionality is still not complete, which makes it a bit vendor-locker. In concept you're right, these are the same Whiteboards are canvases, cards are notes. But, while Hepta is a well-designed specific tool to create your next note based on the existing ones, Obsidian offers plenty of options and plugins (more than 1000!) which means that you can lost in them easily. I wanted to set up a constellation of plugins and settings in Obsidian which serves is relatively same workflow (like creating a new note while you keep some open) and it has taken 4+ hours with research and investigation. This is what Hepta is offering, to turn it to zero.
But, as Hepta still have a very limited Application for mobiles, and as I said it lacks in aspect of import/export, I still did not moved from Obsidian. Nevertheless the Hepta guys mentioned that they're working on these, so I hope they will be able to deliver the fixes/improvements relatively soon.
All I need is something as simple and intuitive as Evernote. Not complex systems of maps, charts, different personalities of my life etc. And I seriously don't see this as a challenge to Evernote just yet.
Note to self. 1/3 of obsidian, with like 3 qol features. Waste of time.
It seems you accidentally posted this personal note for everyone to see. Maybe you want to save it in your Vault instead? 😎🫱🎤
Obsidian is best
Could you explain why?
You spend more time messing with your tools than you do using them. Cringe. I just use obsidian and spend the whole time working...
how dare you delete my comment if you can't hear the truth then leave your work. It is not even 1% of obsidian capabilities and obsidian is completely free and we own everything. You deleted my detailed comment 😡😡😡😡.
We didn't delete anything. Might it be an automatic UA-cam filter depending on the content you posted before?
@@paperlessmovement ok no problem. But i didn't even said anything wrong about anything. I just write about the features of obsidian and why it is better. But no problem and sry for my misunderstanding😊😊.
I hate tools without a free plan
While there will be a free trial available, it is important to understand that expecting to use a tool for free indefinitely is not a reasonable expectation. If the return on investment justifies it, an app company should be compensated for their efforts in order to sustain the application for users. Or have we misinterpreted your comment?
Sure, they need to make money. A very low free tier should be on board. One week trial is also too low.
Shame on you. You are telling me pricey heptabase beats freemium obsidian. I am already paying a lot of bills for ai, plethora of software, electricity and what not. So no thanks. Obsidian fits my simple pkm and I am a programmer so it gives me the power to customize/autmate the way i want it to behave according to my needs.
Thanks for sharing your opinion with us. As we’ll share in an upcoming video, there are big differences between Obsidian and Heptabase and there are reasons to use either/or both. Many of our members are already very busy in their jobs, not as excited as others customizing Obsidian PLUS they prefer to get web access to their content. Those are the people who we’ll help to be pragmatic and use simple to use but still best in market tools. More about this in our upcoming video. So stay tuned if you want to learn more about our why behind Heptabase. You might be surprised 😉💚
Of course you’re tool agnostic, you then get to sell a new course for the new tool.
Confirmation bias at it’s finest.
Any guy that hops tools the way you do is:
1. Very ungerman
2. Not serious about productivity which must be underscored by stability.
Goof ball.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. It seems there might be a misunderstanding about what the Paperless Movement represents and how our ICOR methodology operates within the realm of productivity.
We embrace a tool-agnostic approach not to promote frequent tool-switching, but to empower professionals to choose tools that best align with their unique workflows and challenges. This approach is deeply rooted in our ICOR methodology, which stands for INPUT, CONTROL, OUTPUT, and REFINE. Each stage is designed to enhance productivity holistically, regardless of the tools used.
Our focus is on the process and effectiveness, rather than loyalty to any specific tool. This aligns well with the diverse and evolving needs of busy professionals who we cater to. Stability in productivity doesn't necessarily come from using a single tool, but from a consistent and adaptable framework that supports various tools and technologies as needs evolve.
Your points about cultural expectations and seriousness in productivity are noted. However, we believe that being adaptable and responsive to changing technological landscapes is a strength, especially in today's fast-paced world. Our courses and community support reflect this ethos.
I hope this clarifies our stance. We’re committed to providing valuable, practical solutions for enhanced productivity, and we welcome any further questions or discussions about our methods and philosophy.
It's clear that your “approach" aligns with your business interests, which seems like a classic case of confirmation bias. This strategy might be beneficial for creating new courses and clickbait, but it may not always serve the best interests of the users.
Consider the perspective of Tiago Forte on tools. His high credibility stems from not having a vested interest in promoting specific tools through courses.
Additionally, your frequent switching between tools doesn't align with the German reputation for efficiency. This practice isn't efficient at all. It raises questions about your adherence to the German ethos known for prioritizing efficiency, as your approach seems more focused on exploring different tools (e.g., questioning if something is a 'Notion killer' or a 'Mem killer') rather than sticking to a consistent, efficient system.
Are you not ethically German? Maybe Polish? Tool hoping is very Untermensch.
This constant tool-hopping, seemingly for content creation and course sales, borders on toxic productivity. It's unrealistic for the average person or "busy professional" to switch tools so frequently. While there's nothing wrong with making money or entrepreneurship, this method contributes to the toxic nature of the productivity space.
It might be beneficial to reevaluate and address the potential confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance in your approach and take notes from Tiago.
On another note, it seems like all your videos are promos for your courses and lack concrete value other than funnels into your membership.
@@paperlessmovement
Thank you for your feedback, @BronzeAgeDeviant
While we appreciate diverse perspectives, it's crucial to address certain misunderstandings about our approach and offerings.
At the Paperless Movement, we pride ourselves on being tool agnostic. This principle is integral to our ICOR methodology, ensuring that our members find the best tools to fit their unique workflows. Our comprehensive membership model is designed to provide all-inclusive access to our resources, differentiating us from competitors who rely on upsells or cross-sales.
We understand the value of constructive criticism; however, it's essential for feedback to be informed and based on actual experience with our offerings. Unfortunately, it appears that your comments may not be rooted in a thorough understanding of our services or philosophy.
Regarding cultural references and personal attacks, we believe these are not conducive to a productive discussion. At the Paperless Movement, we advocate for a respectful and open dialogue, free from cultural stereotypes and personal disparagements.
We recognize the ease of sharing opinions anonymously online. However, we invite those with genuine concerns or constructive feedback to reach out directly via LinkedIn or email. This approach facilitates a more meaningful and direct conversation, allowing us to address specific issues or misconceptions more effectively.
We remain committed to supporting busy professionals in their journey towards effective and adaptable productivity. Thank you for your input, and we hope any future discussions can be held in a more direct and constructive manner.
GPT response detected. @@paperlessmovement 🤣
@@BronzeAgeDeviant Whether AI helps with the typing or not, the essence of the message is still from us and meant for everyone to understand.
Dislike on this one. Why Obsidian beats Heptabase, Heptabase cost too much money and the mobile app is super terrible. As far as I concerned, Heptabase is super crap software because of the paywall, or it simply doesn't exist because of the paywall. Mobile app is a joke. Either way Heptabase is a poor option for any serious note taker and Obsidian is King for all the obvious reasons. Privacy, markdowns, AI, FULLY FUNCTIONAL mobile app, FREE, plug ins etc etc. Heptabase looks great from what you are showing but honestly, as they ripped off other note apps I'm sure someone will rip this one off too and make it free.
We'll see. More to come. Incl. a detailed comparison video.
Each to their own hey? I found Obsidian too complex to onboard and Heptabase solved that within hours of signing up. Happy to pay a company for something that is palatable cost wise relative to benefit it gives in solving my needs for frictionless working.