Love how they sued the guy over a tiny, tiny unbelievably small loss of revenue and ended up losing a mountain of revenue because of who they pissed off. Perfect.
@@stephenhood2948 Oh, please, the $50 gazillion (ever changing number) "lost" is always just an excuse from corporations. Are you really so naive to believe the numbers they throw out there with absolutely zero methodology known to anyone, even "experts", on these "losses" from piracy? And in reality it's not something you can ever actually prove. What could they do, conduct surverys of every single gamer in the world and ask if they pirated their games? LMAO. Even that would be shaky at best as a statistic/"proof". Even something like this video where they obtained IPs of all the visitors to that dude's site wouldn't help at all. This was entirely about control, as it always is with corporations and especially big tech. That's why the entire video game industry moved towards EULA/license stuff years ago.
@@stephenhood2948 And that's why laws governing physical (material) property should not be applied to informational (i.e. intellectual) property. If a person steals a loaf of bread, that person who he steal it from _loses_ that loaf of bread. If a person pirates a game, the person who's made the game doesn't really lose anything, assuming that the pirate wouldn't buy the game anyway. On the contrary, pirate may be so impressed with the game he pirated, that he ends up buying it anyways. But let's be real, was there any AAA game that could inspire you to buy it, if you could get it for free in the last, let's say, 5 years? Nope, that's a prerogative of indie devs, who create games with a mindset of creating a game that is enjoyable to play, and not just to grab some cash...
@HiArashi13 LOL a pirated game so good you would want to buy it?? Why would you buy something you already have?? And the problem with PTP sites is it isn't one person stealing it, it's thousands of people stealing it, that is the purpose and how they work.
@@stephenhood2948 Example 1: Rimworld. I liked the game so much, I bought it shortly after it hit A16 version. Example 2: Starcraft 2. Same story, I was quite impressed with WoL, so I bought it, and later preordered both HotS and LotV. Example 3: Warframe. Yes, I know the game is free, but I actually felt obliged to pay devs for their work, so I bought some platinum, most of which is still unused, 'cause I didn't even have a reason to do so other than mentioned before. I'm not saying that EVERYONE will buy the game if they like it. But I'm quite sure that majority of pirates wouldn't buy those games if they wouldn't be able to pirate them. PS: So labeling those "pirated games" as lost profit is quite an overstatement. In fact I'm pretty sure that all pirate resources help promote games on a scale comparable with actual PR.
Corporations do not learn unless you hurt their wallet. $300k is a drop in the bucket for these megacorps, and barely a punishment. Anytime these corporate giants break the law, they should be paying billions of dollars by default.
they used to do it exactly this way, it was called "punitive damages" but republican sophists used that mcdonalds coffee schalding case to argue that people were "seeking money with frivoulous lawsuits" so we lost that right.
yaaa but in 2011 most these corps didnt have alll there shit online. now adays a few good lines of code and a lie or two and billoons of dollars just vanish and never can be found. paper trasils are lies. itys the people down the lie who keep there mouths shut that make shit vanish but the internet will that has no one to stop ands now as corps depend on servers to keep everything running. you could say desable voltage checks in software and fry any server on the panet or alll them.... the world may be in the cloud now but it can all come crashing to earth with something as simple as one line of code. then again. i could be lying this could all be made up..... then again. 90% wont bat a second eye or dig just a little deeper... most wont.
@@vaporjoes You're joking right? Like 90% of tech companies are massively overvalued or outright fraudulent in the case of Theranos, Nikola Motors, and more. I'd trust Sony's 100 or so billion valuation to be more accurate to the true worth of the company, as opposed to Microsofts 2 trillion valuation. Also... Sony has outright refused offers to be bought by foreign companies before, Nintendo has as well. This is the case for many Asian companies. They'd much rather be bought by domestics competitors, rather than foreign ones if they have no other options to prevent being bought out.
Breaking an os isn't hard to do and can be still easily done with a modernized boot virus without being detected by an anti virus prog. I really have no idea what a person who can break an os should make special, since it's a simple thing to do.
@@Doggo_is_sus Why do you think has no one ever uploaded a boot virus to internet? I let it be your imagination what's more worse...either stealing information or not being able to get any information. Internet would be a very lonely place.
except coporations dont actualy care about money they care about power. and allowing people outside their coporations makes them lose pwoer so they dont want that.
It's wild that the courts allowed Sony to get the data of people who just wanted to support the man or just download his product. That seems like a such violation of any sort of privacy, like because you interacted with him or supported why he was doing his hacking should have pushed so many away from the company. That is a massive level of entitlement and I do not feel bad for anyone who thought that it was okay
It seems like an overreach but I do have one idea of why it was done. It was to show how much 'harm' was done to their service and as a result the potential sum that Sony would demand from him if he tried fighting the lawsuit (look at how destroyed Bowser is after Nintendo sued him) I'm sure the lawyers were smart enough to realize that there are provisions in place to protect users who wish to bypass security for their own sake, but distribution of the methods is always sketchy. If they knew how many people were doing this, they could talk about how it affects them oh so much. Unlike media companies, they can't go after the individuals for simply downloading a hack.
The sad truth is people don't care. When its comes to hacking most people only care about piracy. Running linux on a PS3, no common people would want to do that.
Here in America all our trust laws were generally written and passed in the 90s and haven’t been updated since, we’re ass to the wind in regards to how businesses exploit us in the age of information.
Egh, the moment the courts approve a warrant or subpoena to go after a criminal organization, which is what these people were at this point, they then lose their right to privacy. This is back in the day when they still bothered with warrants and due process. I don't agree with what Sony did but at least they did so within the law. These days all of us are being recorded and tracked openly and our data is accessed and sold to the highest bidder regardless of the legality of it.
Yes. It's also frustrating that there is very little establish precedents to help decide on rulings. The law is created as it goes along and the technology of the past 2 decades is so vast and new that there hasn't been enough to create many major landmark rulings.
@@Sabbathtage Sucks to say, but give it 15-20 years or so for some younger blood, who's familiar with computer technology, to get into judicial positions.
These days it is illegal. There original defintions of a cool bit of coding , or harmlesslely exploring some unprotected network are long gone , that ship has sailed . Hacking now means cybercrime. ...unless your 14 and playing Fortnight , in which case hacker means "person who bought cheat"
Games take money to make, good games I mean... Years to complete, large groups of people working tirelessly to finish and get the game out. Its okay for someone to just "take" a copy and enjoy it for free like those people who worked so hard are worthless pieces of shit and just give me my game? their are times when pirating a game could be considered fine (no longer purchasable for example), but never because "I can't afford it". "They were never gonna get my money anyway" is not justification for stealing man.
@@seemenowlyThats not true. I don't pirate games even though I'm 100% capable of it, i buy them on sale. Because for the most part, steam has made that the easier option. Btw im not against piracy. I think a lot of these companies deserve what they get.
@@Blackatchaproduction Hell, they are MORE than people. So much for the individualistic ideals of western society when a conglomerate unliving entity can have more agency than a living individual.
Sony's reach with that lawsuit was genuinely terrifying, being able to sue anyone who even just watched his video. How could anybody in their right mind uphold that kind of behavior? The mere fact that it was suggested and allowed in court is disgusting.
We have a BrainDead president, people who believe there are more than 2 genders... "How could anybody in their right mind uphold that kind of behavior? The mere fact is disgusting."
SONY at the time thought they were dealing in absolutes. They were vastly humbled not just once by some kid, but a second time on a much larger scale by one of the largest hacker groups. On a side note: I still can't get over how anyone can confidently claim how much money is lost due to piracy. No physical products were lost so there wasn't a monetary value you can confidently claim was taken.
I can quite confidently say that the number of games I legally purchased would have remained the same regardless of my access or lack of to methods of piracy.... of course the number of games I pirated is
@@mmuller2402 ive bought diablo 2, Lod, 2 battlechests for diablo 2 LOD, 1 digital copy and D2R. I think your statement only illustrates how little you actually game....
Steve Wozniak is a legit good guy and knew his friend Steve Jobs had gone off the righteous path and put profit before creativity. Wozniak giving that young man the license to jailbreak the iPhone had to be the biggest middle finger to Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs was always an asshole and Wozniak knew it. Jobs and Wozniak paired down an Atari circuit board during a competition that would net the winner a $5,000 bonus. Wozniak was able to design a board with *50* less processors than the one Atari designed...they won the contest. It didn't have some features but Atari still paid out the full $5,000 however, Steve told Wozniak they had only won $750 and they split it two ways. Steve Jobs is an absolute douche...and that is why he was a great salesman.
Sounds like he was a kindred spirit and admired him for his creativity and genius. I am never a fan of closed ecosystems as it is usually because when you have a captive audience you don't try as hard and dictate what the customer wants. American car industry number #1 offender. I am now fighting Windows every time there is an update trying to force me to login with my MS account when I only want local accounts. Maybe some advantages but the nagging and dark patterns tell me it is for their benefit, not mine.
The part about Sony granting access to all the people's info who supported him and the court allowing it reminds me of the time when Digital Homicide wanted to get all the info of the users who left a negative review on their games so they could sue all of them and take down their reviews. Luckily, Valve refused and banned the devs from their platform.
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Sony Entertainment attacked not only modders, programmers, repair specialists but also any who would download shared digital copies and also wanted to go after people from making backup copies of their purchased product and any company that provided the tools of enabling the copying of a paid for product. These people weren't just "protecting" IP. They used standover tactics like gangsters hiding behind a nondescript idea like DRM claiming it affected the artists when these people bound these same artists to cut throat contracts, NDA's and legal action. They tracked internet users, IP addresses and threatened to sue ISP's and the internet account holders even if they were unaware of a supposed downloading of content. Then they riled the wrong people and got whacked where it hurts them the most in Japanese culture; by losing face and being outplayed. Sometimes a more vigilante approach is the only way to curb corporate greed when the law can't or won't step in to protect the consumer from using a product they own they way they see fit. For the gamers....pffff.
Yeah, correct! Sony did a lot of things that messed up a lot of people by using the "law" to get what they want. To me this story is one of justice, prudish people obviously would scoff at the idea but sometimes you really do need to hurt them where it matters......
Attacking Sony has different tone that most of u guys can't even imagine!!! At the beginning it was all about "Anon" but in later stages someone "else" took over to finish the Sony and not just the company but the country of Japan itself. and whats more is related to Fukushima disaster on the same year and months!!!!! MOST OF THE PEOPLE ARE SHEEP AND DO NOT KNOW WHATS REALLY GOING ON IN THIS WORLD.
10:25 it's absolutely insane that Sony was able to sue a man for "computer fraud" and "copyright infringement" because he hacked a computer HE OWNED HIMSELF and shared code HE WROTE HIMSELF which would not run pirated software unless SOMEONE ELSE modifies it! 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
... it's really not. Both are literally infractions of either implied or implicitly stated ownership clauses. Modifying a device for purposes not specified by the manufacturer is probably somewhat common in "Fine print"/"Apple store" parlance.
theyre asians... expect them to they have noo idea's so they steel them from others notice all the american resteraunts that only 1 letter changed there? lol
@@davemccombsThe debate over whether those clauses are valid and enforceable is a complicated subject. Companies that successfully sue over stuff like this pick a jurisdiction with a corrupt and purposefully ignorant judge.
This is why I am in favor of some forms of vigilante justice. Because the moment vigilante justice goes off the table, you essentially give anyone with enough power to influence the law free reign to change the system as they see fit, under the paper shield off "well, the court is on our side". The moment the court system told the public they weren't allowed to do what they wanted with their own possessions the court system lost its validity and its right to dictate the rules.
I personally disagree. While the laws and the court system aren't perfect, it is way better then some vigilante group picking and choosing what is right and wrong based on how they are feeling and acting upon it. Especially when the vigilantes resort to doxxing, blackmailing ect.
@@Synndolyn I suppose I don’t really see how they’re different in the long run. Both choose who’s right and wrong and can coerce under the threat of violence. In a perfect world court systems should be enough, experience has taught us they’re not.
@@victisomega4248 The problem is when a person is innocent, the court says they are, but vigilantes think they're not and attack them. Or when they go after the wrong ones because they don't have the evidence (or need thereof) courts and the justice system have.
@@Thedutchjelle again I think that’s in the ideal scenario. In reality people are setup and innocent people have been and continue to get hurt by our justice system. In an ideal scenario with vigilante justice, they’d never make a mistake either. You can argue maybe the court system we have is less prone to error, but even then I’d be wary about agreeing to that as well.
What's insane is after all that, Sony not only changed nothing, but basically doubled down on closed sourcing everything and getting even more trigger happy with their lawyers
Videos like these never express how damaging piracy is to the franchise itself and the danger of running unsigned code. Sega despite being open about what went on their system compared to nintendo's strict policies died from their biggest hurtle. Piracy; nobody wanted to produce games for the system having just dealt with video game crash. Nintendo only survives because of their ips and marketing merchandise. They don't have the capital of sony or microsoft. pc piracy especially with all the handhelds today. Designing a new console/ handhelds going to be hell... As for unsigned code many people have downloaded code online to hack their consoles, but they have no idea what commands happen. There are those that can and will write code within those executables to gain access to your console through background processes. Most will never know it's there, never realize someone could be listening. And what's sad is they won't know until you get your door kicked in as police ask why your transferring cp. That's the thing with ddosers too, they need as many communications as possible to ping the target. What easier way to pray on what would be supercomputers. Generally it's not discovered or years later. If it's someone random online that gave you the hack it's probably never. But yea for hackers ps3's were gold because they'd network them as a super computer and it wouldn't surprise me if hackers mined crypto with them or in the future with other users ps5's.
@@HomikaGaming Sega failed because their games just weren't that good, "piracy" is a boogeyman everyone uses to scapegoat a terrible product. They see "Holy cow, our game was pirated 250,000 times! that's so much money we lost!" and all their dumb ass investors freak out but in reality, there are more than 250,000 people that are too poor to afford video games and the likelihood of a majority of those pirates being those poor people is enormously high. Piracy isn't causing lost revenue outside of investors being incredibly stupid. I owned a Dreamcast, the games were "Sega" quality which is just "ok" and the console was just "ok" as is tradition for Sega, the controller was uncomfortable with a bunch of weird tamagotchi accessories. Most of the code you run to homebrew and crack consoles is opensource and you can read the code, again a "boogeyman" that doesn't exist, an excuse to "protect" consumers from something that almost never happens. Do you think other hackers are going to just sit idly by and let their consoles get malicious code installed into their systems? Most malicious code is caught long before it can be used maliciously by other smart people who let it be known to everyone that it's not safe to use. I assure you, If something fails it's not because of the piracy boogeyman.
@@OtakuWrath Witcher 3 is the biggest example of what you're describing. That game was probably one of the most pirated of the 2010s and still made insane amounts of money for CDPR. When the media asked CDPR about their DRM-free policy they just replied that those who truly wanted to buy it, would buy it, even after pirating. And given the chatter on piracy forums and subreddits back then, that was the overall sentiment and attitude of most people engaging in piracy.
@@HomikaGaming A weeb girl defending Sony? I am shocked SHOCKED I say! I also find it hilarious what you say about Nintendo when they have no problem sinking millions into going after normal people for stuff that doesn't even affect their sales. People like you are why Sony's bloated corpse still has yet to fall
Alas, even with the costs and lost revenue to Sony, the corporation should have had it much harsher, and as the end of the video points out, its unlikely they learned their lesson, whereas some of the hackers where arrested.
It's unbelievable that there are corporations who can literally say "You know how our device works and tell others it, you're now legally banned from using social media." No company should have such power, more so lawfully...
I will admit, having worked in one and heard of a lot of cases like this, Japanese companies seem to have very hard heads when it comes to what consumers do with their products. It simply doesn't have the same hacker culture that invades silicon valley.
Japanese culture is simply more authoritarian by nature. That some peasants might dare to get in the way of big businesses is already hard for them to grasp. That they actually end up succeeding is more or less unthinkable.
@@AliothAncalagon I tend to disagree about the succeed more part. Sony ultimately completely killed it's home appliances and consumer electronics brand (VIAO, BRAVIA, DTRAC, ANOMIX) by taking a stance of the corporations right and the user isn't which meant weird BS like proprietary ports none has ever heard of before to screens with unexplainably weird aspect ratios.
The Japanese government, much like Korea's enforces these global shenanigans. Just look at Japanese broadcast copyright laws. It's so damn backwards that actual Japanese radio stations are stuck on the airwaves. There are also plenty of tax WITEOFFS for bigger and bigger business, much opposite to the American tax policy where the richer are supposed to pay more tax. As I've said, Korea is no different Pantech is a recent company failure due to the Korean government corruption and proliferation of Samsung.
He clearly isn't, because he couldn't figure out when to shut up. He's a dumbass who can work with tech good but never learned that sometimes doing something without announcing it to the world is better than blasting how stupid you are over every airwave
This is a massively important story. This was right at the state where technology was becoming ubiquitous in everything. Phones, game consoles, cars, tvs, everything, where before these devices were dedicated to just one specific thing. And companies WANTED to maintain control over these devices. At first because of piracy issues, but later, so only THEY could be the ones to repair and deal with them, and eventually control what you played or did with them. It is now over 10 years later, and we are in an age where we do not own what we own. We are having to FIGHT to get back where we were even just 10 years ago now.
@@byghostlight1 there is no money to lose, because just about all the time, the people pirating the games weren't gonna play them without pirating them, and most pirates i know have actually ended up buying games they weren't thinking about, because they played them free, enjoyed them, and wanted to support.
@@byghostlight1 and major companies are anti consumer, grinding out whatever profit they can at everyone and everything's expense, but their own upper management. I might feel bad, when they stop making murderers' look like saints by comparison
"$8 billion annually". Yeah, I'm sure that's remotely accurate. If someone pirates a game they can't afford, the company didn't lose that money, they would never have gotten it in the first place. That number is probably just as inflated as the 'street value' of drugs that the police announce after a bust.
Tbh I pirate games cause they don't provide demos anymore. If the game I download wasn't fun, I'd not lose any money cause I didn't buy it. But if it's a good game, I bought it not just to support the devs, but also to have my achievements, my mods and update support, bug report, .... Like Lord Gaben said, to beat pirates, provide better customer support.
Exactly. If I remember correctly, neither the film industry nor the music industry in the US saw falls in sales and cinema attendance figures grew steadily when Limewire and The Pirate Bay came along in spite of their claims. Sure CD sales eventually tanked but that was because of new media players and streaming services not pirating.
Funny how SONY used the courts to defeat those who saw their BETAMAX as copyright infringement , yet later when they entered the entertainment business themselves, they went on offensive AGAINST those who would develop their own hacks. All about the money, nothing else, not morals, not justice, just the money. In this case , my hats off to Anonymous,
Sony has always been the WORST at propriety formats, unique interfaces, locked down code, and closed ecosystem design. I refuse to ever buy any thing they make. Beta Memorystick Viao fire speed ports PS loss of backward access just to name a few
yeah, honestly I kinda wish that Anonymous was a little more organized as a public "here you go, all the credit cards are officially decrypted and there is your proof Sony doesn't value it's customers, US and British legal systems do your thing" as that would've smartened Sony up and at least limited their shittiness. Like I understand that they want their proprietary games to give them extra money but they'd be able to get similar if not more cash if they simply attached a proprietary subscription to use said games on other devices and put stakes into their select proprietary games as well as that would allow them to mooch off of competitors and gain a much larger net income despite the lower console sales. Honestly amazed Sony is still even afloat with so many crappy business choices, like they really are so extremely conservative with their out-reach it's amazing they've managed to stay in the game so far.
@@InvestmentBankr If you dont buy from Sony then you are the one losing... But sure you do have an Iphone and APPLE has never been about money right???
This is just another iteration of the question: When you buy a device, do you own it? These companies seem to think they still own it even after the customer has paid for it.
Companies like Sony have spent millions in lobbying governments around the world in order to enshrine into law the principle that you, in fact, do not own what you buy. The meta issue here is the degree to which economic power no longer merely influences policy, but has completely co-opted democracy.
@@1eyeddevil929 sounds good.. on the surface. But thats not really the truth. Take a regular car and apply your logic. Only use it as per instructions. Then someone gets the bright idea to turn their van into a treehouse.. removing all the dirty parts ofc, and just keeping parts. The car is now NOT being used as instructed, nor has it been repurposed as instructed. The cars producer can now sue you for breaking contract .. using your logic. Cartyres for flowerbeds, tearing up old clothes, and using them for rags, Buying a machete, and then turn it into a falchion, and use it as a sword... You name it, anything that is not used as the producer intended, is now stuck , and can not be repurposed or used in any other way than what the instructions say. You either own it, or you dont. it is simple. If you own it, you can do what you want with it.
This reminds me of when Sony sued Bleem! into oblivion, lost all the lawsuits, but won because they had more money. I will not buy Sony products. I STILL do not buy Sony products. They made a mockery of the legal system and ruined the legitimate work of a talented programmer, and haven't even so much as apologized for their unacceptable behavior.
Really, Sony, Microsoft, *and* Nintendo have all treated their customers like shite. Think of Nintendo constantly policing the Smash Bros competitive scene or Microsoft's recent Bethesda debacles (Fallout 76, Redfall). A principled stance against Sony seems like it should also be a principled stance against Microsoft and Nintendo, too.
@@blackpajamas6600 😂 dude tried to lump microsoft and Sony together bcus microsoft decided, to stop sony from wanting to have a massive control in the market with exclusive games, to go ahead and buy several studios, a boss move if I do day so myself!
@@blackpajamas6600you're deviating from the topic, we are talking about hurting consumers and Sony has done more by paying to prevent games launch on other consoles. On the topic itself, Microsoft is the most friendly here after opening their consoles securely to users (Dev Mode) and cheap.Then, Sony allows hacker on HackerOne to disclose their findings after a patch is issued and pays them for their findings. Nintendo is trash, nothing good to say.
@@lastjedi6985Lmao all you're telling people is how uneducated you are. Sony exclusives are games that they FUND, they have a hand in making them from the very beginning, and STILL some of them get released on other platforms. Microsoft is trying to buy OUTSIDE developers and forcing Sony out of the market. They're targeting the highest profile popular series that have been available to everyone for decades and MAKING them exclusive. If you can't understand the difference between those two concepts you can't be helped. Microsoft is turning into a cancerous tumor, they're tearing apart the entire gaming community to try and make more money You'd bitch about it if it was happening to you as well, so that just makes you a hypocritical poser
True but the real victems here where there customers, at least if the person who stole the date sold it or used it to harm the ppl they got the passwords and CC numbers from.
Why? Do you not like having modern conveniences, like flat screen TVs, smart phones and appliances, and the software that runs them? Pull your head out of your ass, and forget everything your Marxist buddies and/or Communist Profs in your Indoctrination Center, have told you about 'The bad, baddy, baddest, greedy corp-o-washuns...
These companies are worth tens of billions of dollars each now, instead of just hundreds of millions, which when you go from hundreds of millions, or even low billions to tens of billions, the resources available are insane to comprehend.. The power they have to fight back hard isn't worth it, unless they have something to gain or have young black hats that go rouge, like say the Rockstar hacker recently.
Honestly, would that even be necessary by this point in time? These companies commitment to the woke mind virus and corporate greed arguably cause more damage to themselves than anyone else could. Eventually they'll destroy themselves. Or they'll be eventually forgotten.
Groups like Anon are really important, because they stand as the shadow in the corner. There needs to be civilian mobilisation with great capability and ability to check ANY online company that overreaches. This is essential.
Anon are script kiddies these days. Their entire thing is trying to stay relevant by "taking down" barely used government website front ends using premade tools. The media and people who don't know any better will continue to try and make them bigger and smarter than they actually are.
its mainly the courts that made an overreach.. not sony. the responsibility for protecting rights lies with the law. they should have denied sonys claims and anonymous could just as well gone after the justice system
This is the world we live in. You may well pay hundreds or even thousands for a new computer or new device, but it isn't your's. If you feel limited by the hardware, a lot of things today can't be upgraded, you instead have to buy a new one. George Hots was just customising his devices to his liking and showing others how he did it, and it isn't as though Soni lost customers as a result... The pirated games may not have been good for them, but I think that that still doesn't excuse their completely anticonsumer behaviour.
Piracy is always an excuse. People who play pirated games were never going to buy the them. As Steam and Netflix both proved, the way you combat piracy is make things easily available, and affordable. Hots did nothing wrong.
@FranNyan I admit I have done piracy, mostly due to the fact that owning 200 devices and getting the physical game media would be insane (300 dollars for Pokemon XD?!) Game companies need to work on accessibility.
But when you buy a device, it _is_ yours. The manufacturer wants it both ways: they want to sell their product through traditional retail channels, but they also want to have the benefits of retaining ownership and granting only limited licences to users. And that doesn't work. No matter what they put in their supposed EULAs, it fails (at least) the "consideration" test of contract law, because it's offering users nothing but a right to use, and that's something they already have as owners. If they want to deprive their users of the legal benefits of ownership, they'll have to do what the software industry learned to do: transcend retail, and force users to sign the agreement before they can ever take lawful possession of the goods.
@@FranNyan Some levels of piracy protection are needed (e.g., if you could upload all of Netflix's catalog to UA-cam with no means for Netflix to take it down, they can't really beat that), but generally yes, piracy is a service problem. Most people that pirate likely weren't going to buy it, or got a better experience on the pirated version for some other reason (e.g., no DRM, not being limited by console hardware, etc.). You also can't pirate something that isn't being sold (e.g., the Wii U and 3DS eshops shutting down), so companies have no claim there as long as the products are being offered for free. Going after pirates in any major way at the cost of your own product and/or customer goodwill will always end in failure. On a related note, I wonder about how reliable these new computers are in this respect. Things like email are integral to daily life, including your own computer and phone systems. Imagine how much damage would be done by getting your email deleted, and there'd be nothing you can do about it.
OtherOS was an out of the box feature on PS3's, you didn't need to do anything special to run it. Sony removed it because they were concerned it would become an avenue for exploit due to geohots activities. In fact scientists wordwide bought PS3's to run their scientific applications in otherOS because they were cheaper than the comparable server hardware and the cell CPU's were great for those those types of things.
Piracy is the only thing mentioned in this video for the removal of OtherOS. Possibly the real reason for its removal was research organizations buying thousands of PS3s to make supercomputer clusters. That would have been great if Sony wasn't selling them at a loss expecting to make their money back and more via game sales. However, research organizations don't buy games, so that is a lot of money lost. If the $300/unit loss I'm seeing quoted is accurate, then just the cluster Air Force Research built with 1760 consoles would have cost Sony $528,000. Ouch.
I did mention in my comment that scientists were buying and using them. Not really the consumers problem though, if hardware makers choose to sell at a loss in the hopes of making money back later through licensing, thats a gamble they make.
@@mmilley Reminds me of Reddit. Reddit shut down app "RIF is Fun" because they claimed they were costing too much money to run. But then people hooked up RIF to their own billing accounts, and STILL got banned because it's really about the app for some reason and not the money.
*and just incidentally, i personally liked the penis in a hornet hive remark... stuff needs to be a bit silly in life. i find the constant overuse of "cringe" to honestly be the most cringe thing i can possibly imagine. but i know i'm a weirdo. i so don't see eye to eye w this era's pop consensus.
When cops fucking shooting some of us that day and some innocents wearing the anonymous we started going off the grid for awhile. It was a honor to be a part of the group once anonymous always anonymous some really cool people in the past I talked to and was friends with. All I can say and nothing more as I won't be a part of it the groups return will be soon
Frankly, most large corporations today are worse than any criminal group. They have the protection of law and yet rarely face any consequences for continued unethical and often illegal actions. They violate privacy laws all the time with impunity. I believe it's time for agents and executives of corporations to be held accountable personally for their acts, after all, it's always a person that makes a decision or carries out a policy and the concept of limited liability (LLC) loses any meaning in these circumstances.
If corporations are legally considered people then their boards should be jailed when they commit crimes since they are ultimately responsible for the company's actions. If not for the crimes specifically then at least on conspiracy charges/aiding and abetting.
@@brittanycunningham787Blackrock Is the "lucifer" of evil coroprations and deserve a financial death with no support from taxpayers in their death throws!
I love how the CEO WAS the last to bow in apologizing but the first to raise his head a big lack of sincerity and just seemed like we still don’t matter to them
My dealings with japanese companies over security issues allowing skipt kiddies and spammers to run riot meant that I wasn't AT ALL surprised when Anonymous went through Sony like a hot knife through butter Standard Japanese practice to being notified that hackers were resident on XYZ system at address w.x.y.z was to change its IP to w.x.y.z+1, along with blocking the notifier and denying there was a problem It was vastly more effective to notify Japanese media and have them ask embarrassing questions of the C-level staff, who would then come down on the IT drones like hellfire from above
Its not like the people who spend years of their life learning how to and actually creating the property will ever matter to kids like Hotz, Samwu, or Skoomey.
That was an awfully low bow, though; and the lower you bow in Japan, the more humility you show. Andrew Garfield was fired from Spiderman by Sony because he didn't bow low enough (or didn't bow at all, it not being an American custom, and all).
One small detail not mentioned outright in the video, but one I heard revealed at a cybersecurity conference: there was an unencrypted spreadsheet entitled "passwords" hosted on a Sony server. This file had individual credentials along with full names for who they corresponded to, all organized in tabs based on levels of access. The server was breached first, then, with the passwords in hand, the hacker(s) glided through the rest of Sony's "security" measures.
As someone who worked in network security years ago it was almost predictable how many networks had a big old spreadsheet called "passwords" just sitting out in the open on a server's drive. Like, not even hidden in a directory or anything, never mind named something cryptic or, heaven forbid, actually password protected. Most of the breaches I worked on were situations where the client had basically done it to themselves by being complacent and lazy. One thought they were being clever by storing the passwords spreadsheet on a USB drive, but then left that drive plugged in 24/7 with no password protection. Ugh.
@@woopimagpie yow wtf ? they left it ? but as I know bigger companies using generated password every time for confirmation of the password right ? if they don’t use it that so fuckup
my favourite thing that came out of the helldivers 2 shitshow was the negative reviews that listed every...single....time sony had been hacked and data stolen
Such a bright young man should have been more focused on staying anonymous. I believe the next generation of brilliant minds will be our only line against the onslaught of giant corporations working against our ability to live.
You're right it wasnt a fair exchange in blows. Sony knew they could destroy that person's life through just crushing him in lawsuits and tried to do it without a second thought. When anon hit back and they had to face a few slaps of lawsuits and barely lost a penny. It wasnt a fair exchange of blows. Anon should have crushed sony beyond repair. Only then would it have been fair. No respect for any of these companies that were the first to push for "you will own nothing and you will be happy" ideology that corporations now living by against their own customers.
You're not understanding something here. It's not a matter of "should have crushed Sony", it's a matter of getting innocent people involved as a result of trying to crush the giant. By trying to destroy Sony, people's information were revealed. Because Anonymous is a conglomerate of many people without a leader or grouping, there were those that attacked the wrong way. They involved people's private information. You wouldn't want your private information along with many others out there just to take down a gaming company, would you? Well, even if you're okay with it, others aren't. And if one can't respect the wishes of other people, then what's the point of all this? It was all supposed to be for the rights of the people.
Yeah...I'm sure you would rather trade in all of your tech and go back to when we all had local commerce right? Don't...please, don't...BE AN IDIOT! Un-program yourself from the indoctrination. The only way we get the modern conveniences we have, is by pulling resources, taking risks, and being rewarded for the successes, after suffering all the failures...
@@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman its not wrong. there are some ethic companies, but people should understand that that's the exception to the rule. i forgot the name but there is a company thats selling pharmaceutical at non-profit prices. there is no monetary incentive behind it.
I'm may not always on the side on Anonymous, but there are instances where they are doing what needs to be done. When some big corporation starts to go after a singular end user, they need to be kicked down from their high horse.
These days I see them as a hijacked group. To me it started when they decided to do IRL stuff to scientologists. That is when all the normies started calling themselves anon and tried to make it out as a progressive group.
I remember raging about PSN being offline when this happened. For about 2 days. Then I started looking into why it had happened, and started properly looking into tech. That, and actually developing a social life outside of the internet. Thank you, Anon, for giving me just enough to spark curiosity & guiding me to the place that I am today.
Bro I was SO excited to get the free games. hahaha and Sony had free online internet during this time so you could just create a 2nd (and 3rd) account to get all of them free.
george hotz, by virtue of his obvious brilliance in reverse engineering, not his character, was the person that got me into computer science and hacking as a kid. I still remember being absolutely fascinated by his IOS exploits
@@Runmeerkat he’s a bit of a character. I really like him anyways, and i think his work speaks for himself, but he can be a little dismissive of any differing opinions, overdoes seeking out controversy, but honestly, if i was as talented, I’d probably be a dick too.
@@eriklarson9137 Yes, massive companies with trillions of dollars behind them will almost never go out of business unless they just make blunder after blunder. That still has nothing to do with whether Sony was right or wrong. Logic. Go find some.
I was pissed that I couldn’t game and hated Anonymous back then but if they never hacked Sony I wouldn’t be in cybersecurity today. Low key thankful to them because they sent me down my career path fr
@@bompo328 It literelly is a defensive term by definition. The next time you want to try to act big you should probably learn the basics - "Cyber security is how individuals and organisations reduce the risk of cyber attack" < -----definition. Now off you pop.
The lesson learned here is to never threaten hackers with legal action they have you by your balls. Most times they can't even prove who did the hacking witch is very easy to hide.
I remember this well, it was nasty. And I didn't know any details, just knew that the service was down for a very long time. However, what I wanted to say is, Kira, thank you dude. Your videos are always exceptional. It's insane how much work and love you put into them. Thank you for being you.
I remember a day when unlocking hardware or changing your OS was just something you did, in fact in the early PC world it was pretty much expected. The fact that a hardware manufacturer tried so hard to lock out things and suppress users ability to use hardware amazes me. Guys like GeoHot were heroes to those of us who were used to being able to do what we wanted with our hardware without hacking. To this day, the first thing I do with a new pc is remove a lot of windows limitations and change the bios to a custom bios where I have more control over the hardware. On PC this is relatively easy and as far as I know legal as long as you aren't using pirated software. To be honest... this is why I never bought an Iphone, but always purchased Android phones so I could run my own chosen OS on it.
@@user-qv5sm5dw1v aren't emulators just the best thing! Nintendon't tried to make them illegal a while back and failed, thankfully. I use them to play old games I played as a child but at 4k resolution and 60fps now.
@minotaurbison+ How does a newbie learn how to do these things. I've always been fascinated by people that are able to modify computers to their own specs and modify games, which I'm not sure what kind of Mods can be done. One example being, in an FPS game I want to have unlimited ammo or perfect aim, is that a possible modification? Any help/info is greatly appreciated!! :)
@@chefscorner7063 as for how, I'd recommend spending some time on google, that's how I do it now. In the early years, I was lucky to have people in my friends group who would sit down and show me how to do things. Getting infinite ammo and such really depends on the game, offline games often can be "hacked" by using cheat engine... online games, I would really suggest not trying as it is highly frowned upon... again, google is your best bet as each game is different and most of the time someone has already written a "trainer" for it. There are a number of good videos online showing how to "hack" nearly every game out there, so search out YT videos too... Modifying hardware settings is super easy to do and usually the manufactures have their own software to do it for you these days, for example, AMD has Ryzen Master and Adrenaline software. Modding windows is a little more involved...sometimes... usually involving editing the registry and startup settings... Best thing to do is google, google, and google some more, lots of reading. Just keep in mind, sometimes you can really bork things up, so be ready to re-install stuff.
I never forgot this when it all started; most of us who weren’t able to log in were actually cheering for anonymous. Ironically trusting our data with anonymous more than Sony. I wish they do something with all what is happening in world currently.
I think you remember it slightly different to the rest of us. There was mass panic and millions of us trying to get our information secure. I don't recall anyone dumb enough to trust complete strangers with their data. We don't even trust the people we pay to keep it safe. Anonymous isn't your friend. You were just collateral in their attack on Sony. If they needed to leak your personal data to make a point then they would.
It’s actually kind of a shame that this ultimately didn’t do anything to change anything. The majority of Sony customers never heard about this, let alone care about it. The issue of not having control over the products you buy when you buy them is big. But unfortunately, there is no one is government power who has any concept of understanding of this issue in the gaming/ technology industry. Just watch any one of the times the US Congress questioned a technology company over ethics/ legal issues. It’s literally like your grandpa asking you how to change channels on the television.
Congress Person: Did your company Apple ever use data to target my phone with your scam hardware? "shows a Nokia" Defendant: Sir, that's a Nokia not an Iphone, we don't own Nokia... Congress Person: it's a yes or no question did you send that information to my phone! Defendant: Sir, it's a Nokia we have no control over that brand or what they do. Congress Person: I see so your clearly avoiding answering a simple yes or no question with false information at hand. When i infact am showing you proof on my phone here. "shows Nokia again" Defendant: Could i have this conversation with a different Congress person that understands the words coming out of my mouth please?
Honestly this is a perfect case of “Fk around and find out”. Don’t be surprised to see a lot more of this happening in coming years as companies forget they’re NOT untouchable. I work in the cybersecurity field in the financial sector. There’s a phrase we live by: It’s not a question of IF you’ll be a target, but more a question of WHEN. If someone REALLY wants into your systems, there’s no amount of hardening, Intrusion prevention or even blocking that will stop a collective from gaining access if they TRULY want to.
Good network security is really just a deterrent to opportunists. Like you say, if someone REALLY wants in, there isn't a whole lot can be done short of physically severing the connection. Most intrusions happen because of complacency and laziness. Stay on top of those and you're a good way down the road. At least offer them a challenge.
I.never did go for Internet banking. Because there is always a back door into every system. Cash works just fine for me. Cash should always be a way of paying for goods and services.
@@Threadbow There's one sure way to stop scammers and hackers from getting into your account - be broke. As soon as they see you've only got $12 in your account they lose interest pretty fast. Lol.
The shocking part of Sony's website security was that it could be breached with a simple SQL injection. At the time I tested it myself and got scared when the data came in, had to stop it right away. Sony wasn't the only big player that made this 'obvious' mistake, but it scared the others in changing their attitude.
By the time you see the data coming in. Your breach has been written down. By the time you shut it off your information has been leaked to the server since SQL injection requires a verification sequence. That Sequence sets a mark.
@@inceneration I'm talking about SQL injections at the time of SONY's breach. Don't know how much further SQL injections has evolved. At that time, SQL injection was a new thing in the curriculum of web developers. So, yes it was already well know, but as Daniel Rossell Solanes says "you wouldn't believe how many BIG companies made that mistake." Even when a begining web developer already knew about it and knew what to do against it. The common mistakes made at the time which made websites vulnerable to SQL injection (SONY's too] 1. Don't parse user input at the login page. 2. The 'user' used to access the database form the website was usually a default user with admin rights on the database. So, you say "SQL injection requires a verification sequence". I don't know what you mean about that. At the time we didn't need to do a verification or authentication what so ever. HTTPS wasn't a standard/compulsory, and even if it was used, not a problem. The steps involved where: 1. go to the login page of a website 2. put your crafted SQL code into the field for the username 3. press enter 4. enjoy your access to the user database with admin rights. Bonus, passwords where usually not encrypted at that time. In other words the login page becomes your terminal to the database. All they got is my IP address, which I could change with one command. Usually, the companies that didn't gave a shit about the basic security on their login page , did neither with their logs. SONY did that mistake too. The first solution to SQL injection at the time was parsing the user input on the client side with javascript and regular expressions. Didn't toke to long for hackers to thwart that with their own javascript. And that's how the wheels are turning. Don't know how this is done today with sever side security. But I can imagine that this does involve 'verification' of some sort, just guessing here.
It's so sad that even now, over a decade later, nothing has changed in terms of freedom/rights to modify or repair, or with the big corporations having as much power and control as they do and using it against very small groups of individuals.
The kid not just breaks someone's weak security, he fights for our own rule to have a hardware and work in a way it must be, without any restrictions, he fought for our future freedom!
@@nukepuke932 I suspect it means he was in on it. The whole exploit was aimed at delegitimizing Anonymous, and it worked. Nobody would ever suspect some random dude and a huge corporation could outsmart international anarchists, but the public never appreciates the value of unlimited resources and the reality that the court of public opinion cannot be reasoned with.
@@nukepuke932 Ah yes, he should have taken the jesus route and died a martyr! Why didnt a single man take on a multi-million dollar conglomerate?? Crazy how he didnt want to get wrung dry along with thousands of others. Regardless of how you frame it, he stayed true to his virtues til the end. Speaking openly about what he wanted and what he wished for, him signing off on personally not tampering with their products is nothing worth scoffing at. Use your head.
Indeed. You can absolutely beat 'The Internet'... but rule one of doing so is 'win first... then don't go to war at all because you don't need to because you've already won'.
Looking back, it is amazing how this event helped teach the world the importance of personal security. And that many large companies did not heed the warning that security is important.
Not really... The first company I worked for in 2018, had a bug in their server application that logged all clients non-encrypted password in the servers log files. It was deemed a low priority bug. The second company I worked for in 2018, would send their customer data to their offsite backup servers using non-encrypted FTP. Which an ex colleague told me, they still do till this day. The company I worked for in 2019, had zero division in their network. So their whole network went down after one windows device got infected... etc... Left the first company after a couple of weeks, the second after 18 months, the third after 2.5 years. Working as a dev on garbage proprietary code every day, is the main reason why my private setup consists of 99% open source software. Proprietary code is the equivalent of a binary plague...
I know normal people that buy game systems get very upset when they can’t play their old games from the previous system on the new system and then they’re forced to rebuy the same games all over again.
The 16th shout for people to go the stores was genius. It killed a day of business (which is substantial), it created expenses around security and it changed their entire focus from online monitoring to real world monitoring. This would also likely increase the online traffic on their services, masking any initial rounds of data breach from anyone monitoring their systems. That was likely the day that it all started, but the following days were just the fallout of what they've done.
The only reason something is seen as unhackable is because someone hasn't hacked it yet. Everything is binary, bursts of electricity. If you can read that, you can read anything. Encryption does help, but water erodes mountains. All that matters is time.
Sony should've paid GeoHotz. He did an excellent job showing them "bugs" As for Anon, well.... It was seen as unjustified and wanted to send a message. One that was loud enough to make the CEO listen attentively.
@@TheBiggreenpig Exactly, Sony like to be in control. Imagine building a piece of furniture and selling it on eBay and then suing the buyer for modifying it.
@@daydream605 he put the wrong color cushions on it so now he shouldn't be able to invite anyone over to his home. . . Imagine thinking if somebody bought something that you own them instead of them owning the product. Sony be crazy like that.
@4:02 George was my intern at Google that summer. 2007 IIRC. "It was still a rigid corporate structure." HAH! At 17 he wasn't even the youngest intern I'd ever had. That distinction goes to Elliott Kroo, who I think was 14 or 15. George was lots of fun, worked really fast, and wasn't careful at all. His stuff worked in the sense that you could demonstrate it, but it failed when it touched the real world. He'd try anything. One day I dropped by his apartment and he'd soldered some fairly large BGAs to a circuit board using a toaster oven with some sort of hacked-together temperature regulator. He'd literally turned off the smoke detectors because the apartment was full of smoke. He was certain he could make it work with another few tries. Really amazing guy.
I remember reading about Sony's court case against that young man back in 2011 and myself and my business have not bought a Sony product since..you buy something you own it..we have never bought any Apple products either...they are crooks
I only buy musical things from SONY - stereo. its the only thing SONY in my home. and no Steve Jobs products in my home at all. they all spy so it doesnt really matter.
First I thought it was just a Japanese company following Japanese customs, but it's never okay to have such faulty security for holding people's information, especially when your service is being used by millions of people. It kills me every time I hear about major holes in a system own by a billion dollar company. Like, this was a glaring issue and the CEOs hoped nobody would notice. :Y
@@joeking433 You okay Joe? Your little spam responses to all these comments reek of disillusionment. You've not added anything to the conversation except a resistance to improvement.
I remember working for a company that did one of their sites. It was Windows based and it survived the attacks possibly because it was less important to them, and possibly because *we actually updated the archetecture it ran on*. IIRC they were running something like a 10 year old copy of apache that was exploited to take their other sites down, among other egregious disregards for security. Honestly glad they got hacked. Companies needed to be made accountable for their lackluster security.
A lesson that can be taken from this story is the importance of responsibility and security in the digital world. The PlayStation Network hack demonstrated that even large companies can be targeted by cyber attacks, resulting in the exposure of personal and financial data of millions of users.
If a man builds it,a man can tear it down.....expecting security online from anyone but yourself is the path to digital tyranny and we have enough government intrusion treading on all of us !
i think you are missing the point completely. sony will never recover from the shame of trying to destroy an individual. total abuse of a power position will never be tolerated.
@@tensevo Never recover? This happened ages ago and they don't give a single care about it anymore. The only thing that ever gets perpetuated about this crap is stupid youtube videos. There is no shame at all whatsoever for them.
Every company in existence today is targeted by cyber attacks and deals with them on a constant basis which is cyber security is a multi billion dollar business and has been ramping up over the past 10 years.
I remember this pretty fondly. I had Linux OS installed on my PS3 at the time. Not because I needed it, but just because i could do it. I remember wanting a better internet browser at the time. When the outage happened I think anyone that was part of a PS3 forum knew what was happening before Sony announced it. I remember being upset about losing the Other OS feature at the time. Not because it was gone, but because it set a precedent and I looked at it as, "Well, then I guess Sony could take something else next week" there was nothing to stop them from doing so. Having the PSN down for that long sucked, but I was glad a lesson was being taught.
@@Popirnot it’s not your product. It’s their product. You just buy the rights to use it. That would be like buying a movie and trying to change the ending. Your comment just shows the lack of knowledge you have for product usage laws. Back to educating yourself before you type rubbish the rest of us who are educated are forced to read.
It never ceases to amaze me when people allow conglomerates to get away with the nasty shit they do... Maybe we all should gather together, start small businesses and live off of one another and only use manufacturers to get our stuff made and sold. Like a large scale flea market...
This was a superb video. Puts everything into perspective how it went down. I didn’t know the data leaks where so closely linked to the hacking of the PS3
Dont forget the court, which basically had no idea what was going on. They acted in favor of the "villain" until it was far to late. Homestly, you cant make this stuff up!
@@maxave7448 they always do look how hunterbiden can just use crack and meth whatever but if me or you did we be slammed! i wonder what is the law on jurry nulification on say a drug dleaer on grounds they shouldent be punished untill hunter is punished?
Well... the best science fictions stories i've heard were always the ones made in massive rpg's by real humans, like EVE online. Basically the whole partition in half of the galaxy between 1 giant empire and a massive amount of small federations that fough together afainst a single threat in itself already gives fundamentals for the story... i wonder whats the situation with this game now.
14:08 this is why I love Anonymous, the way they write is so cool, the things they say are so true and professional and when they want something, they get it, they just need sufficient reason to pursue it. Not even the legal system can protect you when both consumers and hackers have to suffer for it in mass scale. I wish anonymous could do more for us
Sony is a Japanese company. Japan has a very strict copyright law. And most Japanese companies are overprotective because of that. Think about Nintendo etc. They all sue modders, jailbreakers and hackers
Thank you Kira again for another great documentary style post which covers all the major points of those times. You are legitimately giving the best hard hitting investigative journalism into Anonymous and Anon Ops in a long time. Mad respect from people who lived it from the Anon side.
I'm sorry but nah. "The elite hacker group Anonymous"???? Get fucked, get absolutely fucked. That's fucking Faux News tier sensationalism, and I think it does a disservice to the truly disseminated nature of the internet. I was fucking there on 4/8/420chan in 2011, voting on LOIC targets, didn't afraid of anything. There were maybe a dozen actually literate hackers that interacted with the *chan community, perhaps 3 or 4 that hit mainstream publicity, but you could never know because by definition we were all Anonymous, that's the whole fucking point. I could send a dick pic to Elon Musk, and you could blow up headlines with "Anonymous sends dick pic to Elon Musk, challenging his masculinity", and it would be true. Anonymous means Anonymous, nothing more and nothing less, and anyone trying to wave it as some ominous threat is trying to sell you a fucking bridge.
Man I remember middle school when we started jailbraking IPhones and having the ability to have any application we wanted. Mainly the customization and hidden stuff you could do…never knew who the first was.
I remember this day. Couldn’t play Blops after school and assumed it was nothing. Same thing next day and had to find out through UA-cam that PSN was hacked. For a month straight offline was nuts considering all the traffic they had. I appreciated the free games though. Found my love of infamous and Lbp because of this.
I was so mad, I’d play combat mode and it just wasn’t the same. But yeah infamous and little big planet we’re elite and made me forget about the whole thing after awhile 😂
Fortnatuely PSN was free back then. I remember Sony put out a demo disc with a broken build of a demo from Capcom that would crash and erase all the memory cards in the system. They gave away copies of GT3, Amplitube (or Frequency, probably Frequency) and I think Dark Cloud. Old games doesn't really compensate for time lost due to this, GTA San Andreas was a brand new game when this disc was sent out so I'd imagine alot of people lost the progress on every game they had saved.
It was a pretty wild time for me as I worked at Gamestop when it happened. Having to explain what happened to people and seeing how many were hit by it.
The annoying truth to this matter is in a democratic country like the US, we're actively allowing big companies like Sony to sue the little guy for stupid copyright claims. You can't blame the court for interpreting the law. You need scream at Congress until they change the Copyright laws or you vote them out until someone who does this gets in. Unfortunately we've been put into a position where we've been psychologically conditioned to not care enough to do this. The effort required to get this to work is just enough that not enough people would stay committed to this cause unless an egregious enough abuse that practically united the entire country were to occur.
This was not about copyright. This was about a hacker altering a product he owned and the company that produced that product over-reaching their proprietary rights. The courts were way out of line.
Right to OWN and right to REPAIR need to be fought for.
You do realize how antisemitic that would be, right?
@@comlain2513you know what antisemetic even means right?
@@JustElijahRS Do you? This would be like when the Nazis abolished interest. I know where this leads: I will not be going to any camps.
Anti-semetic is the dissent/prejudice against people of Jewish descent.
My point is... how the fuck is technology related to that?
@@JustElijahRS just ignore them, let them clown themself
Love how they sued the guy over a tiny, tiny unbelievably small loss of revenue and ended up losing a mountain of revenue because of who they pissed off. Perfect.
@@stephenhood2948 Oh, please, the $50 gazillion (ever changing number) "lost" is always just an excuse from corporations. Are you really so naive to believe the numbers they throw out there with absolutely zero methodology known to anyone, even "experts", on these "losses" from piracy? And in reality it's not something you can ever actually prove. What could they do, conduct surverys of every single gamer in the world and ask if they pirated their games? LMAO. Even that would be shaky at best as a statistic/"proof". Even something like this video where they obtained IPs of all the visitors to that dude's site wouldn't help at all. This was entirely about control, as it always is with corporations and especially big tech. That's why the entire video game industry moved towards EULA/license stuff years ago.
@@stephenhood2948 And that's why laws governing physical (material) property should not be applied to informational (i.e. intellectual) property. If a person steals a loaf of bread, that person who he steal it from _loses_ that loaf of bread. If a person pirates a game, the person who's made the game doesn't really lose anything, assuming that the pirate wouldn't buy the game anyway. On the contrary, pirate may be so impressed with the game he pirated, that he ends up buying it anyways. But let's be real, was there any AAA game that could inspire you to buy it, if you could get it for free in the last, let's say, 5 years? Nope, that's a prerogative of indie devs, who create games with a mindset of creating a game that is enjoyable to play, and not just to grab some cash...
@@stephenhood2948
TL:DR
Everyone will pirate everything, but I would never.
@HiArashi13 LOL a pirated game so good you would want to buy it?? Why would you buy something you already have?? And the problem with PTP sites is it isn't one person stealing it, it's thousands of people stealing it, that is the purpose and how they work.
@@stephenhood2948 Example 1: Rimworld. I liked the game so much, I bought it shortly after it hit A16 version. Example 2: Starcraft 2. Same story, I was quite impressed with WoL, so I bought it, and later preordered both HotS and LotV. Example 3: Warframe. Yes, I know the game is free, but I actually felt obliged to pay devs for their work, so I bought some platinum, most of which is still unused, 'cause I didn't even have a reason to do so other than mentioned before. I'm not saying that EVERYONE will buy the game if they like it. But I'm quite sure that majority of pirates wouldn't buy those games if they wouldn't be able to pirate them.
PS: So labeling those "pirated games" as lost profit is quite an overstatement. In fact I'm pretty sure that all pirate resources help promote games on a scale comparable with actual PR.
Corporations do not learn unless you hurt their wallet. $300k is a drop in the bucket for these megacorps, and barely a punishment. Anytime these corporate giants break the law, they should be paying billions of dollars by default.
Finland figured this out decades ago. Fines are percentile based in that nation, not flat numbers.
they used to do it exactly this way, it was called "punitive damages" but republican sophists used that mcdonalds coffee schalding case to argue that people were "seeking money with frivoulous lawsuits" so we lost that right.
Sony isnt that big of a company.. Microsoft could buy sony and not even blink.
yaaa but in 2011 most these corps didnt have alll there shit online. now adays a few good lines of code and a lie or two and billoons of dollars just vanish and never can be found. paper trasils are lies. itys the people down the lie who keep there mouths shut that make shit vanish but the internet will that has no one to stop ands now as corps depend on servers to keep everything running. you could say desable voltage checks in software and fry any server on the panet or alll them.... the world may be in the cloud now but it can all come crashing to earth with something as simple as one line of code. then again. i could be lying this could all be made up..... then again. 90% wont bat a second eye or dig just a little deeper... most wont.
@@vaporjoes You're joking right? Like 90% of tech companies are massively overvalued or outright fraudulent in the case of Theranos, Nikola Motors, and more. I'd trust Sony's 100 or so billion valuation to be more accurate to the true worth of the company, as opposed to Microsofts 2 trillion valuation. Also... Sony has outright refused offers to be bought by foreign companies before, Nintendo has as well. This is the case for many Asian companies. They'd much rather be bought by domestics competitors, rather than foreign ones if they have no other options to prevent being bought out.
Imagine looking at a guy , alone , easily break your OS but instead of hiring him to make your OS better , you sue him and fail miserably.
Beautiful
Breaking an os isn't hard to do and can be still easily done with a modernized boot virus without being detected by an anti virus prog. I really have no idea what a person who can break an os should make special, since it's a simple thing to do.
@@suoquainen they not only broke the OS. They attacked the Sony servers 2 rendering almost 77 million consoles useless.
@@Doggo_is_sus Why do you think has no one ever uploaded a boot virus to internet? I let it be your imagination what's more worse...either stealing information or not being able to get any information. Internet would be a very lonely place.
that's pretty much 99% of companies ... gotta have your ego
Ripping things open and rebuilding them to make them do exactly what you want is an unbelievably valuable talent to a society.
One could argue that the discovery of fire was the very first hack. Bro literally hacked some wood to turn it into heat and incandescent gas. :)
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Not in a society run by corporations.
yeah but the companies want to sell us garbage by removing all other options.
except coporations dont actualy care about money they care about power. and allowing people outside their coporations makes them lose pwoer so they dont want that.
It's wild that the courts allowed Sony to get the data of people who just wanted to support the man or just download his product. That seems like a such violation of any sort of privacy, like because you interacted with him or supported why he was doing his hacking should have pushed so many away from the company. That is a massive level of entitlement and I do not feel bad for anyone who thought that it was okay
It seems like an overreach but I do have one idea of why it was done. It was to show how much 'harm' was done to their service and as a result the potential sum that Sony would demand from him if he tried fighting the lawsuit (look at how destroyed Bowser is after Nintendo sued him)
I'm sure the lawyers were smart enough to realize that there are provisions in place to protect users who wish to bypass security for their own sake, but distribution of the methods is always sketchy. If they knew how many people were doing this, they could talk about how it affects them oh so much.
Unlike media companies, they can't go after the individuals for simply downloading a hack.
The sad truth is people don't care. When its comes to hacking most people only care about piracy. Running linux on a PS3, no common people would want to do that.
Here in America all our trust laws were generally written and passed in the 90s and haven’t been updated since, we’re ass to the wind in regards to how businesses exploit us in the age of information.
Right? Like how was it not found guilty of violating the first amendment?! In more ways than one
Egh, the moment the courts approve a warrant or subpoena to go after a criminal organization, which is what these people were at this point, they then lose their right to privacy. This is back in the day when they still bothered with warrants and due process. I don't agree with what Sony did but at least they did so within the law. These days all of us are being recorded and tracked openly and our data is accessed and sold to the highest bidder regardless of the legality of it.
Sadly, this probably happened because the judge has no clue how electronics work. They hear "hacking" and assume it's illegal.
Yes. It's also frustrating that there is very little establish precedents to help decide on rulings. The law is created as it goes along and the technology of the past 2 decades is so vast and new that there hasn't been enough to create many major landmark rulings.
@@Sabbathtage Sucks to say, but give it 15-20 years or so for some younger blood, who's familiar with computer technology, to get into judicial positions.
These days it is illegal. There original defintions of a cool bit of coding , or harmlesslely exploring some unprotected network are long gone , that ship has sailed . Hacking now means cybercrime.
...unless your 14 and playing Fortnight , in which case hacker means "person who bought cheat"
@@tubewatcher97 also we hack life and what not these days. Such a silly world we live in.
and the fact the judge thought it was ok to give access simply to people who liked what he was doing, yeah that is insane.
There's a reason games are pirated, they cost to much usually for those individuals. It's not lost money, it's money that was never there anyways
Many do not realize this
If you have an option to get it free even if you had the money then you would get it free
@@seemenowly I wouldn't. I think anyone who can afford the games and has any knowledge in cyber security will find the risk outweighs the money saved.
Games take money to make, good games I mean... Years to complete, large groups of people working tirelessly to finish and get the game out. Its okay for someone to just "take" a copy and enjoy it for free like those people who worked so hard are worthless pieces of shit and just give me my game? their are times when pirating a game could be considered fine (no longer purchasable for example), but never because "I can't afford it".
"They were never gonna get my money anyway" is not justification for stealing man.
@@seemenowlyThats not true. I don't pirate games even though I'm 100% capable of it, i buy them on sale. Because for the most part, steam has made that the easier option.
Btw im not against piracy. I think a lot of these companies deserve what they get.
When corporations have more rights than a human being.
according to citizens united corporations are people
More and better lawyers helps a lot.
@@Blackatchaproduction Hell, they are MORE than people. So much for the individualistic ideals of western society when a conglomerate unliving entity can have more agency than a living individual.
Sorry to pendant, but corporations in the US *are* "people."
That is the problem.
@@Blackatchaproduction Except they can't go to jail for any reason and their fines are much smaller than you'd get for littering.
They shouldn’t have sued him, they should have hired him.
Their loss. By far. Could have cornered Microsoft and Nintendo right out of the market
you can't hire someone to be your dog if they have a sense of ethics, which is the entire reason why they were against him
Geohot would have been bored in a week just like at Google, and quit. Sony would never have a job that would keep is interest for long.
They would have to put him in his element, create a space where he could let loose.
most japanese dont want new ideas
Sony's reach with that lawsuit was genuinely terrifying, being able to sue anyone who even just watched his video. How could anybody in their right mind uphold that kind of behavior? The mere fact that it was suggested and allowed in court is disgusting.
USA call it freedom!
Welcome to our modern world!
Sony is a terrible company. Just google what they did to musicians. I don't buy their junk anymore.
he literally openly encouraged and spread ways to tamper, wtf is so wild to think about? he was blatantly in the fkn wrong lmfao.
We have a BrainDead president, people who believe there are more than 2 genders... "How could anybody in their right mind uphold that kind of behavior? The mere fact is disgusting."
SONY at the time thought they were dealing in absolutes. They were vastly humbled not just once by some kid, but a second time on a much larger scale by one of the largest hacker groups.
On a side note: I still can't get over how anyone can confidently claim how much money is lost due to piracy. No physical products were lost so there wasn't a monetary value you can confidently claim was taken.
I can quite confidently say that the number of games I legally purchased would have remained the same regardless of my access or lack of to methods of piracy....
of course the number of games I pirated is
Every pirated game is one not sold.. many people are not honest, why pay for a game again if you have it already 😂
Only a Sith Lord deals in absolutes
@@mmuller2402 ive bought diablo 2, Lod, 2 battlechests for diablo 2 LOD, 1 digital copy and D2R. I think your statement only illustrates how little you actually game....
Almost no money is lost to piracy. This is because people who pirate content almost never would buy the content. They're not customers.
Steve Wozniak is a legit good guy and knew his friend Steve Jobs had gone off the righteous path and put profit before creativity. Wozniak giving that young man the license to jailbreak the iPhone had to be the biggest middle finger to Steve Jobs.
yeah a true visionary and there are few things that is so satisfying to stab the bad toxic protective features of apple products.
Steve Jobs was always an asshole and Wozniak knew it. Jobs and Wozniak paired down an Atari circuit board during a competition that would net the winner a $5,000 bonus. Wozniak was able to design a board with *50* less processors than the one Atari designed...they won the contest. It didn't have some features but Atari still paid out the full $5,000 however, Steve told Wozniak they had only won $750 and they split it two ways.
Steve Jobs is an absolute douche...and that is why he was a great salesman.
Sounds like he was a kindred spirit and admired him for his creativity and genius. I am never a fan of closed ecosystems as it is usually because when you have a captive audience you don't try as hard and dictate what the customer wants. American car industry number #1 offender. I am now fighting Windows every time there is an update trying to force me to login with my MS account when I only want local accounts. Maybe some advantages but the nagging and dark patterns tell me it is for their benefit, not mine.
@@rogerpearson9081 The car industry sadly is regulated by the EPA which is run by a bunch of liberals who have no idea about cars or guns.
Woz is the king of nerds.
He made a nixie tube watch for crying out loud!
How cool is that!
The part about Sony granting access to all the people's info who supported him and the court allowing it reminds me of the time when Digital Homicide wanted to get all the info of the users who left a negative review on their games so they could sue all of them and take down their reviews. Luckily, Valve refused and banned the devs from their platform.
So Digital Homicide did a Digital Suicide?
WUT. How can some people be so entitled and stupid?
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Sony Entertainment attacked not only modders, programmers, repair specialists but also any who would download shared digital copies and also wanted to go after people from making backup copies of their purchased product and any company that provided the tools of enabling the copying of a paid for product. These people weren't just "protecting" IP. They used standover tactics like gangsters hiding behind a nondescript idea like DRM claiming it affected the artists when these people bound these same artists to cut throat contracts, NDA's and legal action. They tracked internet users, IP addresses and threatened to sue ISP's and the internet account holders even if they were unaware of a supposed downloading of content. Then they riled the wrong people and got whacked where it hurts them the most in Japanese culture; by losing face and being outplayed. Sometimes a more vigilante approach is the only way to curb corporate greed when the law can't or won't step in to protect the consumer from using a product they own they way they see fit. For the gamers....pffff.
Yeah, correct! Sony did a lot of things that messed up a lot of people by using the "law" to get what they want. To me this story is one of justice, prudish people obviously would scoff at the idea but sometimes you really do need to hurt them where it matters......
In thier culture crime is shame. A criminal committing crime would not shame a hard working company. Sony is definitely something they take pride in
Attacking Sony has different tone that most of u guys can't even imagine!!! At the beginning it was all about "Anon" but in later stages someone "else" took over to finish the Sony and not just the company but the country of Japan itself. and whats more is related to Fukushima disaster on the same year and months!!!!!
MOST OF THE PEOPLE ARE SHEEP AND DO NOT KNOW WHATS REALLY GOING ON IN THIS WORLD.
Can't or won't?
The government is owned by those corporations.
That's the thing though, Sony helped usher in the modern age of "you don't own what you buy you just rent them from us"
15:30 I love the idea that Anonymous is a group of people sitting at a circular table with their masks on just hacking constantly.
The office but it's Anonymous would actually be hilarious. I can already imagine a full season of stuff that could happen.
10:25 it's absolutely insane that Sony was able to sue a man for "computer fraud" and "copyright infringement" because he hacked a computer HE OWNED HIMSELF and shared code HE WROTE HIMSELF which would not run pirated software unless SOMEONE ELSE modifies it! 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
well it is sony
... it's really not. Both are literally infractions of either implied or implicitly stated ownership clauses. Modifying a device for purposes not specified by the manufacturer is probably somewhat common in "Fine print"/"Apple store" parlance.
@@davemccombswhich is a problem in itself, we should have a right to repair and whatnot
theyre asians... expect them to they have noo idea's so they steel them from others notice all the american resteraunts that only 1 letter changed there?
lol
@@davemccombsThe debate over whether those clauses are valid and enforceable is a complicated subject. Companies that successfully sue over stuff like this pick a jurisdiction with a corrupt and purposefully ignorant judge.
This is why I am in favor of some forms of vigilante justice. Because the moment vigilante justice goes off the table, you essentially give anyone with enough power to influence the law free reign to change the system as they see fit, under the paper shield off "well, the court is on our side".
The moment the court system told the public they weren't allowed to do what they wanted with their own possessions the court system lost its validity and its right to dictate the rules.
I personally disagree. While the laws and the court system aren't perfect, it is way better then some vigilante group picking and choosing what is right and wrong based on how they are feeling and acting upon it. Especially when the vigilantes resort to doxxing, blackmailing ect.
@@Synndolyn I suppose I don’t really see how they’re different in the long run. Both choose who’s right and wrong and can coerce under the threat of violence. In a perfect world court systems should be enough, experience has taught us they’re not.
@@victisomega4248 The problem is when a person is innocent, the court says they are, but vigilantes think they're not and attack them. Or when they go after the wrong ones because they don't have the evidence (or need thereof) courts and the justice system have.
@@ThedutchjelleVigilanty justice not for people, but corporations and governments
@@Thedutchjelle again I think that’s in the ideal scenario. In reality people are setup and innocent people have been and continue to get hurt by our justice system. In an ideal scenario with vigilante justice, they’d never make a mistake either. You can argue maybe the court system we have is less prone to error, but even then I’d be wary about agreeing to that as well.
What's insane is after all that, Sony not only changed nothing, but basically doubled down on closed sourcing everything and getting even more trigger happy with their lawyers
Videos like these never express how damaging piracy is to the franchise itself and the danger of running unsigned code. Sega despite being open about what went on their system compared to nintendo's strict policies died from their biggest hurtle. Piracy; nobody wanted to produce games for the system having just dealt with video game crash. Nintendo only survives because of their ips and marketing merchandise. They don't have the capital of sony or microsoft. pc piracy especially with all the handhelds today. Designing a new console/ handhelds going to be hell... As for unsigned code many people have downloaded code online to hack their consoles, but they have no idea what commands happen. There are those that can and will write code within those executables to gain access to your console through background processes. Most will never know it's there, never realize someone could be listening. And what's sad is they won't know until you get your door kicked in as police ask why your transferring cp. That's the thing with ddosers too, they need as many communications as possible to ping the target. What easier way to pray on what would be supercomputers. Generally it's not discovered or years later. If it's someone random online that gave you the hack it's probably never. But yea for hackers ps3's were gold because they'd network them as a super computer and it wouldn't surprise me if hackers mined crypto with them or in the future with other users ps5's.
@@HomikaGaming Sega failed because their games just weren't that good, "piracy" is a boogeyman everyone uses to scapegoat a terrible product. They see "Holy cow, our game was pirated 250,000 times! that's so much money we lost!" and all their dumb ass investors freak out but in reality, there are more than 250,000 people that are too poor to afford video games and the likelihood of a majority of those pirates being those poor people is enormously high. Piracy isn't causing lost revenue outside of investors being incredibly stupid. I owned a Dreamcast, the games were "Sega" quality which is just "ok" and the console was just "ok" as is tradition for Sega, the controller was uncomfortable with a bunch of weird tamagotchi accessories. Most of the code you run to homebrew and crack consoles is opensource and you can read the code, again a "boogeyman" that doesn't exist, an excuse to "protect" consumers from something that almost never happens. Do you think other hackers are going to just sit idly by and let their consoles get malicious code installed into their systems? Most malicious code is caught long before it can be used maliciously by other smart people who let it be known to everyone that it's not safe to use. I assure you, If something fails it's not because of the piracy boogeyman.
@@OtakuWrath Witcher 3 is the biggest example of what you're describing. That game was probably one of the most pirated of the 2010s and still made insane amounts of money for CDPR. When the media asked CDPR about their DRM-free policy they just replied that those who truly wanted to buy it, would buy it, even after pirating. And given the chatter on piracy forums and subreddits back then, that was the overall sentiment and attitude of most people engaging in piracy.
what did u expect? lol
@@HomikaGaming A weeb girl defending Sony? I am shocked SHOCKED I say!
I also find it hilarious what you say about Nintendo when they have no problem sinking millions into going after normal people for stuff that doesn't even affect their sales. People like you are why Sony's bloated corpse still has yet to fall
What a great recapitulation! Kept it moving, very informative with great artwork. Even a layperson can understand (most of) it! Thanks.
it is great to see corrupt corporations who think they are untouchable getting damaged
Corporate fascists are the worst!
Alas, even with the costs and lost revenue to Sony, the corporation should have had it much harsher, and as the end of the video points out, its unlikely they learned their lesson, whereas some of the hackers where arrested.
Corrupt company? You mean government. No such thing as a corrupt company.
@@ItsCrap97 nope corporations have more power and money than governments do.
@@ItsCrap97 LOL! Oh, honey, you should have had a career in standup. LMFAO!! ROTFLOL!!
It's unbelievable that there are corporations who can literally say "You know how our device works and tell others it, you're now legally banned from using social media." No company should have such power, more so lawfully...
Money can buy anything, espacially justice and politicans
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@@theRayzz use your vote man stop this bullshoit
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I will admit, having worked in one and heard of a lot of cases like this, Japanese companies seem to have very hard heads when it comes to what consumers do with their products. It simply doesn't have the same hacker culture that invades silicon valley.
Japanese culture is simply more authoritarian by nature.
That some peasants might dare to get in the way of big businesses is already hard for them to grasp.
That they actually end up succeeding is more or less unthinkable.
@@AliothAncalagon Nintendo is the worst out of all of them. It's not as bad as China however.
@@AliothAncalagon I tend to disagree about the succeed more part. Sony ultimately completely killed it's home appliances and consumer electronics brand (VIAO, BRAVIA, DTRAC, ANOMIX) by taking a stance of the corporations right and the user isn't which meant weird BS like proprietary ports none has ever heard of before to screens with unexplainably weird aspect ratios.
@@megatronskneecap they stopped psp, if they brought that back, it may have a huge comeback. but sony doesnt care about their true consumers
The Japanese government, much like Korea's enforces these global shenanigans. Just look at Japanese broadcast copyright laws. It's so damn backwards that actual Japanese radio stations are stuck on the airwaves. There are also plenty of tax WITEOFFS for bigger and bigger business, much opposite to the American tax policy where the richer are supposed to pay more tax. As I've said, Korea is no different Pantech is a recent company failure due to the Korean government corruption and proliferation of Samsung.
dang Sony should have hired this man instead of suing him clearly this man is a really smart
He clearly isn't, because he couldn't figure out when to shut up. He's a dumbass who can work with tech good but never learned that sometimes doing something without announcing it to the world is better than blasting how stupid you are over every airwave
This is a massively important story.
This was right at the state where technology was becoming ubiquitous in everything. Phones, game consoles, cars, tvs, everything, where before these devices were dedicated to just one specific thing. And companies WANTED to maintain control over these devices. At first because of piracy issues, but later, so only THEY could be the ones to repair and deal with them, and eventually control what you played or did with them.
It is now over 10 years later, and we are in an age where we do not own what we own. We are having to FIGHT to get back where we were even just 10 years ago now.
the scariest thing is seeing how much info sony got from other big tech companies about a random person.
Pirated games costing the industry is such a bold faced lie, that it is outright impressive they can say it with a straight face
Corporations can only speak in lies. It's their language.
Agreed. My eyes rolled over when I saw that. Corporations being garbage lying a**hats, no surprise there.
This comment reminds me of the last IDDUBZ video
@@byghostlight1 there is no money to lose, because just about all the time, the people pirating the games weren't gonna play them without pirating them, and most pirates i know have actually ended up buying games they weren't thinking about, because they played them free, enjoyed them, and wanted to support.
@@byghostlight1 and major companies are anti consumer, grinding out whatever profit they can at everyone and everything's expense, but their own upper management.
I might feel bad, when they stop making murderers' look like saints by comparison
Luckily the C.I.A didn't hire him could you imagine the DAMAGE 😮
"$8 billion annually". Yeah, I'm sure that's remotely accurate. If someone pirates a game they can't afford, the company didn't lose that money, they would never have gotten it in the first place. That number is probably just as inflated as the 'street value' of drugs that the police announce after a bust.
yeah the number is pulled out of their ass so they can sue any pirate they see for all their worth because corporate greed
Tbh I pirate games cause they don't provide demos anymore. If the game I download wasn't fun, I'd not lose any money cause I didn't buy it. But if it's a good game, I bought it not just to support the devs, but also to have my achievements, my mods and update support, bug report, ....
Like Lord Gaben said, to beat pirates, provide better customer support.
@@manhphuc4335 ftr demos are provided by developers, not by publishers or stores
Exactly. If I remember correctly, neither the film industry nor the music industry in the US saw falls in sales and cinema attendance figures grew steadily when Limewire and The Pirate Bay came along in spite of their claims. Sure CD sales eventually tanked but that was because of new media players and streaming services not pirating.
So what they're saying is the people get back 8 billion dollars in reclamation. Sounds fair to me.
Funny how SONY used the courts to defeat those who saw their BETAMAX as copyright infringement , yet later when they entered the entertainment business themselves, they went on offensive AGAINST those who would develop their own hacks. All about the money, nothing else, not morals, not justice, just the money. In this case , my hats off to Anonymous,
Sony has always been the WORST at propriety formats, unique interfaces, locked down code, and closed ecosystem design. I refuse to ever buy any thing they make.
Beta
Memorystick
Viao fire speed ports
PS loss of backward access
just to name a few
yeah, honestly I kinda wish that Anonymous was a little more organized as a public "here you go, all the credit cards are officially decrypted and there is your proof Sony doesn't value it's customers, US and British legal systems do your thing" as that would've smartened Sony up and at least limited their shittiness.
Like I understand that they want their proprietary games to give them extra money but they'd be able to get similar if not more cash if they simply attached a proprietary subscription to use said games on other devices and put stakes into their select proprietary games as well as that would allow them to mooch off of competitors and gain a much larger net income despite the lower console sales.
Honestly amazed Sony is still even afloat with so many crappy business choices, like they really are so extremely conservative with their out-reach it's amazing they've managed to stay in the game so far.
@@InvestmentBankr If you dont buy from Sony then you are the one losing... But sure you do have an Iphone and APPLE has never been about money right???
@@whitewolf2767 No. I don't buy their crap either? Sony makes nothing worth owning. Have some principles... 🙄
@@InvestmentBankr As I said.. Either you are too naive or too biased.....
This is just another iteration of the question: When you buy a device, do you own it? These companies seem to think they still own it even after the customer has paid for it.
Companies like Sony have spent millions in lobbying governments around the world in order to enshrine into law the principle that you, in fact, do not own what you buy. The meta issue here is the degree to which economic power no longer merely influences policy, but has completely co-opted democracy.
worse than that
the company thinks they own you now that you've bought their product
Easy. You use it as intended. As the instructions says
If I buy it, it's mine. Easy concept.
@@1eyeddevil929 sounds good.. on the surface. But thats not really the truth.
Take a regular car and apply your logic. Only use it as per instructions. Then someone gets the bright idea to turn their van into a treehouse.. removing all the dirty parts ofc, and just keeping parts.
The car is now NOT being used as instructed, nor has it been repurposed as instructed.
The cars producer can now sue you for breaking contract .. using your logic.
Cartyres for flowerbeds, tearing up old clothes, and using them for rags, Buying a machete, and then turn it into a falchion, and use it as a sword... You name it, anything that is not used as the producer intended, is now stuck , and can not be repurposed or used in any other way than what the instructions say.
You either own it, or you dont. it is simple. If you own it, you can do what you want with it.
A company shouldn't be allowed to sue an individual person. The huge difference in power and wealth is absurd.
"Lawfare"
This reminds me of when Sony sued Bleem! into oblivion, lost all the lawsuits, but won because they had more money. I will not buy Sony products. I STILL do not buy Sony products. They made a mockery of the legal system and ruined the legitimate work of a talented programmer, and haven't even so much as apologized for their unacceptable behavior.
Really, Sony, Microsoft, *and* Nintendo have all treated their customers like shite. Think of Nintendo constantly policing the Smash Bros competitive scene or Microsoft's recent Bethesda debacles (Fallout 76, Redfall). A principled stance against Sony seems like it should also be a principled stance against Microsoft and Nintendo, too.
@@blackpajamas6600 😂 dude tried to lump microsoft and Sony together bcus microsoft decided, to stop sony from wanting to have a massive control in the market with exclusive games, to go ahead and buy several studios, a boss move if I do day so myself!
@@blackpajamas6600you're deviating from the topic, we are talking about hurting consumers and Sony has done more by paying to prevent games launch on other consoles. On the topic itself, Microsoft is the most friendly here after opening their consoles securely to users (Dev Mode) and cheap.Then, Sony allows hacker on HackerOne to disclose their findings after a patch is issued and pays them for their findings. Nintendo is trash, nothing good to say.
@@lastjedi6985 Trying to create a monopoly on gaming is a boss move apparently. Unless I misunderstood.
@@lastjedi6985Lmao all you're telling people is how uneducated you are. Sony exclusives are games that they FUND, they have a hand in making them from the very beginning, and STILL some of them get released on other platforms. Microsoft is trying to buy OUTSIDE developers and forcing Sony out of the market. They're targeting the highest profile popular series that have been available to everyone for decades and MAKING them exclusive. If you can't understand the difference between those two concepts you can't be helped. Microsoft is turning into a cancerous tumor, they're tearing apart the entire gaming community to try and make more money
You'd bitch about it if it was happening to you as well, so that just makes you a hypocritical poser
Can't lie there's something satisfying about seeing big corporations fold over.
Like Disney for example.
True but the real victems here where there customers, at least if the person who stole the date sold it or used it to harm the ppl they got the passwords and CC numbers from.
it's like a ukrainian seeing putin fall out a window
Why? Do you not like having modern conveniences, like flat screen TVs, smart phones and appliances, and the software that runs them? Pull your head out of your ass, and forget everything your Marxist buddies and/or Communist Profs in your Indoctrination Center, have told you about 'The bad, baddy, baddest, greedy corp-o-washuns...
@@thewhitefalcon8539 'I support the current thing!'
Now if only Anonymous can go after Activision Blizzard, EA and Ubisoft.
These companies are worth tens of billions of dollars each now, instead of just hundreds of millions, which when you go from hundreds of millions, or even low billions to tens of billions, the resources available are insane to comprehend.. The power they have to fight back hard isn't worth it, unless they have something to gain or have young black hats that go rouge, like say the Rockstar hacker recently.
You are Anonymous, if you choose to be. That's, like, literally the only prerequisite. Fly, my pretty.
Honestly, would that even be necessary by this point in time? These companies commitment to the woke mind virus and corporate greed arguably cause more damage to themselves than anyone else could.
Eventually they'll destroy themselves. Or they'll be eventually forgotten.
There was a Battle Net DDOS attack a few days ago, so... maybe.
@@djHVNTER2 I was wondering if that was what happened. D4 was down for a little bit. Someone mad about their skills getting nerfed?
Love the channels so glad I subscribed a year ago. Nice to hear someone break down and debunk a story. Keep up the good work.
Groups like Anon are really important, because they stand as the shadow in the corner. There needs to be civilian mobilisation with great capability and ability to check ANY online company that overreaches. This is essential.
Anon are script kiddies these days. Their entire thing is trying to stay relevant by "taking down" barely used government website front ends using premade tools. The media and people who don't know any better will continue to try and make them bigger and smarter than they actually are.
Serves Sony right. Glad they got a black eye. Too bad other Mega Corporations are still doing business as usual.
its mainly the courts that made an overreach.. not sony. the responsibility for protecting rights lies with the law. they should have denied sonys claims and anonymous could just as well gone after the justice system
You dont know what the fuck you are talking about.
The current Anon-Group is all feds and fed-informants.
Yeah because members of anonymous have never been involved in illegal activity like stealing credit card information.
This is the world we live in. You may well pay hundreds or even thousands for a new computer or new device, but it isn't your's. If you feel limited by the hardware, a lot of things today can't be upgraded, you instead have to buy a new one. George Hots was just customising his devices to his liking and showing others how he did it, and it isn't as though Soni lost customers as a result... The pirated games may not have been good for them, but I think that that still doesn't excuse their completely anticonsumer behaviour.
Piracy is always an excuse. People who play pirated games were never going to buy the them. As Steam and Netflix both proved, the way you combat piracy is make things easily available, and affordable. Hots did nothing wrong.
@FranNyan I admit I have done piracy, mostly due to the fact that owning 200 devices and getting the physical game media would be insane (300 dollars for Pokemon XD?!)
Game companies need to work on accessibility.
Not true if you live in the eu.
But when you buy a device, it _is_ yours. The manufacturer wants it both ways: they want to sell their product through traditional retail channels, but they also want to have the benefits of retaining ownership and granting only limited licences to users. And that doesn't work. No matter what they put in their supposed EULAs, it fails (at least) the "consideration" test of contract law, because it's offering users nothing but a right to use, and that's something they already have as owners. If they want to deprive their users of the legal benefits of ownership, they'll have to do what the software industry learned to do: transcend retail, and force users to sign the agreement before they can ever take lawful possession of the goods.
@@FranNyan Some levels of piracy protection are needed (e.g., if you could upload all of Netflix's catalog to UA-cam with no means for Netflix to take it down, they can't really beat that), but generally yes, piracy is a service problem. Most people that pirate likely weren't going to buy it, or got a better experience on the pirated version for some other reason (e.g., no DRM, not being limited by console hardware, etc.). You also can't pirate something that isn't being sold (e.g., the Wii U and 3DS eshops shutting down), so companies have no claim there as long as the products are being offered for free. Going after pirates in any major way at the cost of your own product and/or customer goodwill will always end in failure.
On a related note, I wonder about how reliable these new computers are in this respect. Things like email are integral to daily life, including your own computer and phone systems. Imagine how much damage would be done by getting your email deleted, and there'd be nothing you can do about it.
OtherOS was an out of the box feature on PS3's, you didn't need to do anything special to run it. Sony removed it because they were concerned it would become an avenue for exploit due to geohots activities. In fact scientists wordwide bought PS3's to run their scientific applications in otherOS because they were cheaper than the comparable server hardware and the cell CPU's were great for those those types of things.
Piracy is the only thing mentioned in this video for the removal of OtherOS. Possibly the real reason for its removal was research organizations buying thousands of PS3s to make supercomputer clusters. That would have been great if Sony wasn't selling them at a loss expecting to make their money back and more via game sales. However, research organizations don't buy games, so that is a lot of money lost. If the $300/unit loss I'm seeing quoted is accurate, then just the cluster Air Force Research built with 1760 consoles would have cost Sony $528,000. Ouch.
@@mmilley I got a semi just reading that
I did mention in my comment that scientists were buying and using them. Not really the consumers problem though, if hardware makers choose to sell at a loss in the hopes of making money back later through licensing, thats a gamble they make.
@@mmilley The US Airforce really demonstrates how big a motivation it was.
@@mmilley Reminds me of Reddit. Reddit shut down app "RIF is Fun" because they claimed they were costing too much money to run. But then people hooked up RIF to their own billing accounts, and STILL got banned because it's really about the app for some reason and not the money.
the first part was so good I forgot this was even about anonymous fr fr
Sony: * sues the living hell out of an open source programmer and anyone associated with him *
10 seconds later: "Anonymous joined the chat"
Pretty much.
*and just incidentally, i personally liked the penis in a hornet hive remark... stuff needs to be a bit silly in life. i find the constant overuse of "cringe" to honestly be the most cringe thing i can possibly imagine.
but i know i'm a weirdo. i so don't see eye to eye w this era's pop consensus.
@@luceatlux7087 are you perhaps.. attracted to hornets?
I agree we took a fucking ton of heat and alot of us disappeared
When cops fucking shooting some of us that day and some innocents wearing the anonymous we started going off the grid for awhile. It was a honor to be a part of the group once anonymous always anonymous some really cool people in the past I talked to and was friends with. All I can say and nothing more as I won't be a part of it the groups return will be soon
Frankly, most large corporations today are worse than any criminal group. They have the protection of law and yet rarely face any consequences for continued unethical and often illegal actions. They violate privacy laws all the time with impunity. I believe it's time for agents and executives of corporations to be held accountable personally for their acts, after all, it's always a person that makes a decision or carries out a policy and the concept of limited liability (LLC) loses any meaning in these circumstances.
If corporations are legally considered people then their boards should be jailed when they commit crimes since they are ultimately responsible for the company's actions. If not for the crimes specifically then at least on conspiracy charges/aiding and abetting.
Look into blackrock
lol
@@brittanycunningham787Blackrock Is the "lucifer" of evil coroprations and deserve a financial death with no support from taxpayers in their death throws!
What's the diff?
I love how the CEO WAS the last to bow in apologizing but the first to raise his head a big lack of sincerity and just seemed like we still don’t matter to them
Japanese in a nutshell.
My dealings with japanese companies over security issues allowing skipt kiddies and spammers to run riot meant that I wasn't AT ALL surprised when Anonymous went through Sony like a hot knife through butter
Standard Japanese practice to being notified that hackers were resident on XYZ system at address w.x.y.z was to change its IP to w.x.y.z+1, along with blocking the notifier and denying there was a problem
It was vastly more effective to notify Japanese media and have them ask embarrassing questions of the C-level staff, who would then come down on the IT drones like hellfire from above
Its not like the people who spend years of their life learning how to and actually creating the property will ever matter to kids like Hotz, Samwu, or Skoomey.
@@samwu1836Meanwhile, the typical American acts overtly that way even outside of said "nutshell." With you being case in point.
That was an awfully low bow, though; and the lower you bow in Japan, the more humility you show. Andrew Garfield was fired from Spiderman by Sony because he didn't bow low enough (or didn't bow at all, it not being an American custom, and all).
This is a masterclass in journalism. Thank you for putting this together.
One small detail not mentioned outright in the video, but one I heard revealed at a cybersecurity conference: there was an unencrypted spreadsheet entitled "passwords" hosted on a Sony server. This file had individual credentials along with full names for who they corresponded to, all organized in tabs based on levels of access. The server was breached first, then, with the passwords in hand, the hacker(s) glided through the rest of Sony's "security" measures.
Source?
I heard the same
then, this is make sense how anonim get access into administrator server
As someone who worked in network security years ago it was almost predictable how many networks had a big old spreadsheet called "passwords" just sitting out in the open on a server's drive. Like, not even hidden in a directory or anything, never mind named something cryptic or, heaven forbid, actually password protected.
Most of the breaches I worked on were situations where the client had basically done it to themselves by being complacent and lazy. One thought they were being clever by storing the passwords spreadsheet on a USB drive, but then left that drive plugged in 24/7 with no password protection. Ugh.
@@woopimagpie yow wtf ? they left it ? but as I know bigger companies using generated password every time for confirmation of the password right ? if they don’t use it that so fuckup
When an “ Entity “ has more rights and value than a Human you know Society has abandoned “ The Common Man “
Say hello to capitalism.
Not capitalism corporatism @@antediluvianatheist5262
@@antediluvianatheist5262*globalism* fixed your typo.
@@LBKXiLo
“””anti-globalism””” is just anti-capitalism for idiots
@LBX It’s capitalism, buddy.
It's always a good day when you hear about Anonymous punishing evil corporations
till they give out your info from the breach but ya i can agree.
@@willdevine2998 If you're trusting these corps enough to put your data there, I'd argue it's on you as well.
@@willdevine2998 That's the whole point though. Hence why Sony then got sued after being hacked. They didn't protect their customer's data.
after what sony is doing with stellar blade and helldivers 2, i think they need to be hacked again. more and more and more.
my favourite thing that came out of the helldivers 2 shitshow was the negative reviews that listed every...single....time sony had been hacked and data stolen
Such a bright young man should have been more focused on staying anonymous. I believe the next generation of brilliant minds will be our only line against the onslaught of giant corporations working against our ability to live.
We must stop them at all costs
The real problem will be our governments. Just wait and see.
You're right it wasnt a fair exchange in blows. Sony knew they could destroy that person's life through just crushing him in lawsuits and tried to do it without a second thought. When anon hit back and they had to face a few slaps of lawsuits and barely lost a penny. It wasnt a fair exchange of blows. Anon should have crushed sony beyond repair. Only then would it have been fair. No respect for any of these companies that were the first to push for "you will own nothing and you will be happy" ideology that corporations now living by against their own customers.
You're not understanding something here. It's not a matter of "should have crushed Sony", it's a matter of getting innocent people involved as a result of trying to crush the giant. By trying to destroy Sony, people's information were revealed. Because Anonymous is a conglomerate of many people without a leader or grouping, there were those that attacked the wrong way. They involved people's private information. You wouldn't want your private information along with many others out there just to take down a gaming company, would you?
Well, even if you're okay with it, others aren't. And if one can't respect the wishes of other people, then what's the point of all this? It was all supposed to be for the rights of the people.
But you know the bootlickers would have been angry at anonymous.
@@SplishSplashdash lol what are they gonna do to anonymous though? call the police? anonymous has a lot of power
@@Likemea Anon cares about the people and would have stopped because the bros would be crying about not being able to play skyrim and call of duty.
@@SplishSplashdash oh ok
The biggest thing to remember in the real world is that corporations don’t care, consumers are just numbers that make them money
Exactly. It's why I get surprised at how people will rush to defend a company they're blindly loyal to.
Yeah...I'm sure you would rather trade in all of your tech and go back to when we all had local commerce right? Don't...please, don't...BE AN IDIOT! Un-program yourself from the indoctrination. The only way we get the modern conveniences we have, is by pulling resources, taking risks, and being rewarded for the successes, after suffering all the failures...
@trontosaurusrex9532 Some companies are actually quite good to their customers.
@@iluvpandas2755this guy, lmfao
@@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman its not wrong.
there are some ethic companies, but people should understand that that's the exception to the rule.
i forgot the name but there is a company thats selling pharmaceutical at non-profit prices. there is no monetary incentive behind it.
So satisfying to see the law department arrogantly sues a guy only to mire themselves in the legal hell
I'm may not always on the side on Anonymous, but there are instances where they are doing what needs to be done. When some big corporation starts to go after a singular end user, they need to be kicked down from their high horse.
I tend to view anonymous as “chaotic neutral”.
These days I see them as a hijacked group. To me it started when they decided to do IRL stuff to scientologists. That is when all the normies started calling themselves anon and tried to make it out as a progressive group.
People still think anonymous is an organisation? lol.
@@Sturmbannfuhrer_OttoGunscheAnons biggest trick was making the world belief they are a collective
@@little_lord_tam nice
I remember raging about PSN being offline when this happened. For about 2 days. Then I started looking into why it had happened, and started properly looking into tech. That, and actually developing a social life outside of the internet.
Thank you, Anon, for giving me just enough to spark curiosity & guiding me to the place that I am today.
Yeah thanks anon! For stealing my fucking credit card info. Thieves.
What's a "social life"?
You are welcome.
Bro I was SO excited to get the free games. hahaha and Sony had free online internet during this time so you could just create a 2nd (and 3rd) account to get all of them free.
george hotz, by virtue of his obvious brilliance in reverse engineering, not his character, was the person that got me into computer science and hacking as a kid. I still remember being absolutely fascinated by his IOS exploits
Do you still hack?
I may have a paid job for you.
I just want some media articles removing from a newspaper website.
from this video I don't see anything wrong with his characther either
@@Runmeerkat he’s a bit of a character. I really like him anyways, and i think his work speaks for himself, but he can be a little dismissive of any differing opinions, overdoes seeking out controversy, but honestly, if i was as talented, I’d probably be a dick too.
Same here! He certainly inspired a generation of kids
I do miss Anonymous, they made sense and made the corporate world live in fear !
The idea that they can just get the information of donors to someone else is crazy.
Big companies with unlimited lawyers can get courts to agree to almost anything.
Good. Glad there are ethical people out there with enough computer and network knowledge to punish unethical people.
I wanted to play my playstation with my friends and i could not for quite a while..... so no it was not good, it was BS..... that hacker can eat $hit.
Anonymous is anarchist, so they do whatever
Yup. They literally destroyed Sony. Oh wait. What's Sony's stock price again? Alrighty.
@@eriklarson9137 Yes, massive companies with trillions of dollars behind them will almost never go out of business unless they just make blunder after blunder. That still has nothing to do with whether Sony was right or wrong. Logic. Go find some.
I was pissed that I couldn’t game and hated Anonymous back then but if they never hacked Sony I wouldn’t be in cybersecurity today. Low key thankful to them because they sent me down my career path fr
Honestly you don't deserve the job you're in if as a cyber security worker you praise hackers ..... the very people you're PAID to stop.
@@TPCDAZlmao.
What a dumb comment
@@TPCDAZhackers give him his job lmao. Of course he's gonna be happy about its creation.
@@bompo328 It literelly is a defensive term by definition. The next time you want to try to act big you should probably learn the basics - "Cyber security is how individuals and organisations reduce the risk of cyber attack" < -----definition. Now off you pop.
@TPCDAZ kids online having opinion without having knowledge on the subject is always funny to watch
The lesson learned here is to never threaten hackers with legal action they have you by your balls.
Most times they can't even prove who did the hacking witch is very easy to hide.
I remember this well, it was nasty. And I didn't know any details, just knew that the service was down for a very long time.
However, what I wanted to say is, Kira, thank you dude. Your videos are always exceptional. It's insane how much work and love you put into them. Thank you for being you.
I remember a day when unlocking hardware or changing your OS was just something you did, in fact in the early PC world it was pretty much expected. The fact that a hardware manufacturer tried so hard to lock out things and suppress users ability to use hardware amazes me. Guys like GeoHot were heroes to those of us who were used to being able to do what we wanted with our hardware without hacking. To this day, the first thing I do with a new pc is remove a lot of windows limitations and change the bios to a custom bios where I have more control over the hardware. On PC this is relatively easy and as far as I know legal as long as you aren't using pirated software. To be honest... this is why I never bought an Iphone, but always purchased Android phones so I could run my own chosen OS on it.
@@user-qv5sm5dw1v aren't emulators just the best thing! Nintendon't tried to make them illegal a while back and failed, thankfully. I use them to play old games I played as a child but at 4k resolution and 60fps now.
@minotaurbison+ How does a newbie learn how to do these things. I've always been fascinated by people that are able to modify computers to their own specs and modify games, which I'm not sure what kind of Mods can be done. One example being, in an FPS game I want to have unlimited ammo or perfect aim, is that a possible modification? Any help/info is greatly appreciated!! :)
@@chefscorner7063 as for how, I'd recommend spending some time on google, that's how I do it now. In the early years, I was lucky to have people in my friends group who would sit down and show me how to do things. Getting infinite ammo and such really depends on the game, offline games often can be "hacked" by using cheat engine... online games, I would really suggest not trying as it is highly frowned upon... again, google is your best bet as each game is different and most of the time someone has already written a "trainer" for it. There are a number of good videos online showing how to "hack" nearly every game out there, so search out YT videos too... Modifying hardware settings is super easy to do and usually the manufactures have their own software to do it for you these days, for example, AMD has Ryzen Master and Adrenaline software. Modding windows is a little more involved...sometimes... usually involving editing the registry and startup settings... Best thing to do is google, google, and google some more, lots of reading. Just keep in mind, sometimes you can really bork things up, so be ready to re-install stuff.
Yeah, but is it Candy Apple Teal and only has one button so gradmaw can't get confused??
God Bless Capitalism! 🇺🇸
@@user-qv5sm5dw1v how can I run switch game on PC?
I never forgot this when it all started; most of us who weren’t able to log in were actually cheering for anonymous. Ironically trusting our data with anonymous more than Sony. I wish they do something with all what is happening in world currently.
Trusting the data more than Sony? That didn't seem apparent in the video. xd
I think you remember it slightly different to the rest of us.
There was mass panic and millions of us trying to get our information secure. I don't recall anyone dumb enough to trust complete strangers with their data. We don't even trust the people we pay to keep it safe.
Anonymous isn't your friend. You were just collateral in their attack on Sony. If they needed to leak your personal data to make a point then they would.
They are doing something about it. 😏
Sony still hasn't learned.
It’s actually kind of a shame that this ultimately didn’t do anything to change anything. The majority of Sony customers never heard about this, let alone care about it.
The issue of not having control over the products you buy when you buy them is big. But unfortunately, there is no one is government power who has any concept of understanding of this issue in the gaming/ technology industry. Just watch any one of the times the US Congress questioned a technology company over ethics/ legal issues. It’s literally like your grandpa asking you how to change channels on the television.
It was a popup screen for a while when you would log in to PSN.
Congress Person: Did your company Apple ever use data to target my phone with your scam hardware? "shows a Nokia"
Defendant: Sir, that's a Nokia not an Iphone, we don't own Nokia...
Congress Person: it's a yes or no question did you send that information to my phone!
Defendant: Sir, it's a Nokia we have no control over that brand or what they do.
Congress Person: I see so your clearly avoiding answering a simple yes or no question with false information at hand. When i infact am showing you proof on my phone here. "shows Nokia again"
Defendant: Could i have this conversation with a different Congress person that understands the words coming out of my mouth please?
stay safe and live in a forest
Honestly this is a perfect case of “Fk around and find out”. Don’t be surprised to see a lot more of this happening in coming years as companies forget they’re NOT untouchable. I work in the cybersecurity field in the financial sector. There’s a phrase we live by: It’s not a question of IF you’ll be a target, but more a question of WHEN. If someone REALLY wants into your systems, there’s no amount of hardening, Intrusion prevention or even blocking that will stop a collective from gaining access if they TRULY want to.
Good network security is really just a deterrent to opportunists. Like you say, if someone REALLY wants in, there isn't a whole lot can be done short of physically severing the connection. Most intrusions happen because of complacency and laziness. Stay on top of those and you're a good way down the road. At least offer them a challenge.
I.never did go for Internet banking.
Because there is always a back door into every system.
Cash works just fine for me.
Cash should always be a way of paying for goods and services.
@@Threadbow There's one sure way to stop scammers and hackers from getting into your account - be broke. As soon as they see you've only got $12 in your account they lose interest pretty fast. Lol.
@woopimagpie they. See that before they hack?!
I'm learning 😆
Piraters are not untouchable.
Nor are the Americans of "anonymous".
#freedonbas
The shocking part of Sony's website security was that it could be breached with a simple SQL injection.
At the time I tested it myself and got scared when the data came in, had to stop it right away. Sony wasn't the only big player that made this 'obvious' mistake, but it scared the others in changing their attitude.
I just learned about SQL attacks, that's wild!
you wouldn't believe how many big companies make that same mistake. or how easy is to prevent it.
By the time you see the data coming in. Your breach has been written down. By the time you shut it off your information has been leaked to the server since SQL injection requires a verification sequence. That Sequence sets a mark.
@@inceneration I'm talking about SQL injections at the time of SONY's breach. Don't know how much further SQL injections has evolved.
At that time, SQL injection was a new thing in the curriculum of web developers. So, yes it was already well know, but as Daniel Rossell Solanes says "you wouldn't believe how many BIG companies made that mistake." Even when a begining web developer already knew about it and knew what to do against it.
The common mistakes made at the time which made websites vulnerable to SQL injection (SONY's too]
1. Don't parse user input at the login page.
2. The 'user' used to access the database form the website was usually a default user with admin rights on the database.
So, you say "SQL injection requires a verification sequence". I don't know what you mean about that. At the time we didn't need to do a verification or authentication what so ever. HTTPS wasn't a standard/compulsory, and even if it was used, not a problem.
The steps involved where:
1. go to the login page of a website
2. put your crafted SQL code into the field for the username
3. press enter
4. enjoy your access to the user database with admin rights. Bonus, passwords where usually not encrypted at that time.
In other words the login page becomes your terminal to the database.
All they got is my IP address, which I could change with one command. Usually, the companies that didn't gave a shit about the basic security on their login page , did neither with their logs. SONY did that mistake too.
The first solution to SQL injection at the time was parsing the user input on the client side with javascript and regular expressions. Didn't toke to long for hackers to thwart that with their own javascript. And that's how the wheels are turning. Don't know how this is done today with sever side security. But I can imagine that this does involve 'verification' of some sort, just guessing here.
@@inceneration You are correct. We have tracked him down.
It's so sad that even now, over a decade later, nothing has changed in terms of freedom/rights to modify or repair, or with the big corporations having as much power and control as they do and using it against very small groups of individuals.
The kid not just breaks someone's weak security, he fights for our own rule to have a hardware and work in a way it must be, without any restrictions, he fought for our future freedom!
And he lost, in one of the worst ways possible--by bowing out of his own cause when it grew out of his control. So what does that tell you?
@@nukepuke932 I suspect it means he was in on it. The whole exploit was aimed at delegitimizing Anonymous, and it worked. Nobody would ever suspect some random dude and a huge corporation could outsmart international anarchists, but the public never appreciates the value of unlimited resources and the reality that the court of public opinion cannot be reasoned with.
@@nukepuke932 Nothing but "there is nothing to stop corporates against a single poor man"
@@nukepuke932 Not his fault
@@nukepuke932 Ah yes, he should have taken the jesus route and died a martyr!
Why didnt a single man take on a multi-million dollar conglomerate??
Crazy how he didnt want to get wrung dry along with thousands of others.
Regardless of how you frame it, he stayed true to his virtues til the end. Speaking openly about what he wanted and what he wished for, him signing off on personally not tampering with their products is nothing worth scoffing at.
Use your head.
Rossmann put it nicely...
"Never ever ever go to war with the internet... The Internet ALWAYS wins!"
The internet is a box that can be broken with flash photography. You mean don't mess with the elders of internet.
Indeed. You can absolutely beat 'The Internet'... but rule one of doing so is 'win first... then don't go to war at all because you don't need to because you've already won'.
Looking back, it is amazing how this event helped teach the world the importance of personal security. And that many large companies did not heed the warning that security is important.
Not really...
The first company I worked for in 2018, had a bug in their server application that logged all clients non-encrypted password in the servers log files. It was deemed a low priority bug. The second company I worked for in 2018, would send their customer data to their offsite backup servers using non-encrypted FTP. Which an ex colleague told me, they still do till this day. The company I worked for in 2019, had zero division in their network. So their whole network went down after one windows device got infected... etc...
Left the first company after a couple of weeks, the second after 18 months, the third after 2.5 years. Working as a dev on garbage proprietary code every day, is the main reason why my private setup consists of 99% open source software. Proprietary code is the equivalent of a binary plague...
maybe for a few people. For the vast majority things have only gotten worse and people are more vulnerable than ever, unfortunately.
This is why I try to not save my credit card info on shopping sites. You never know if this will happen again and to whom
I know normal people that buy game systems get very upset when they can’t play their old games from the previous system on the new system and then they’re forced to rebuy the same games all over again.
The 16th shout for people to go the stores was genius. It killed a day of business (which is substantial), it created expenses around security and it changed their entire focus from online monitoring to real world monitoring. This would also likely increase the online traffic on their services, masking any initial rounds of data breach from anyone monitoring their systems. That was likely the day that it all started, but the following days were just the fallout of what they've done.
I am not even close to the level this guy is, but, I know enough that when it comes to computers and tech, nothing is unhackable.
The only reason something is seen as unhackable is because someone hasn't hacked it yet.
Everything is binary, bursts of electricity. If you can read that, you can read anything. Encryption does help, but water erodes mountains. All that matters is time.
He used 90% of other people's work to jailbreak the first iphone, he didn't really do it himself, rather, he stood on the shoulders of giants
@@Eriku69indeed
Praise for GHOT and ANON for having the proper abilities to do what we all wanted to do! Thank you
How come I never knew this absolute piece of a legend!? Damn, I wish I was as smart and curious as him
Sony should've paid GeoHotz. He did an excellent job showing them "bugs"
As for Anon, well.... It was seen as unjustified and wanted to send a message. One that was loud enough to make the CEO listen attentively.
Anon is not always right. But in this case, they are doing all customer a service.
No, GeoHotz fixed the bug, and improved their systems.
@@TheBiggreenpig Exactly, Sony like to be in control.
Imagine building a piece of furniture and selling it on eBay and then suing the buyer for modifying it.
@@daydream605 he put the wrong color cushions on it
so now he shouldn't be able to invite anyone over to his home. . .
Imagine thinking if somebody bought something that you own them instead of them owning the product.
Sony be crazy like that.
@@jayeisenhardt1337 ferrari in a nutshell
@4:02 George was my intern at Google that summer. 2007 IIRC. "It was still a rigid corporate structure." HAH! At 17 he wasn't even the youngest intern I'd ever had. That distinction goes to Elliott Kroo, who I think was 14 or 15.
George was lots of fun, worked really fast, and wasn't careful at all. His stuff worked in the sense that you could demonstrate it, but it failed when it touched the real world. He'd try anything. One day I dropped by his apartment and he'd soldered some fairly large BGAs to a circuit board using a toaster oven with some sort of hacked-together temperature regulator. He'd literally turned off the smoke detectors because the apartment was full of smoke. He was certain he could make it work with another few tries.
Really amazing guy.
We want more George stories!
cool story, bro.
@@personanongrata80shis LinkedIn checks out
You sound like the major racist arrogant pr@k that good for nothing corporations would hire. Good for him he left.
Watch out! We got a big shot over here
I remember reading about Sony's court case against that young man back in 2011 and myself and my business have not bought a Sony product since..you buy something you own it..we have never bought any Apple products either...they are crooks
I only buy musical things from SONY - stereo. its the only thing SONY in my home. and no Steve Jobs products in my home at all. they all spy so it doesnt really matter.
Same
Amazon, target,NFL,powerball,Mark Cuben NBA. Fake news etc.
Ubisoft kek
Never underestimate the power of the horde. Needs together strong!
First I thought it was just a Japanese company following Japanese customs, but it's never okay to have such faulty security for holding people's information, especially when your service is being used by millions of people. It kills me every time I hear about major holes in a system own by a billion dollar company. Like, this was a glaring issue and the CEOs hoped nobody would notice. :Y
Meh.
@@joeking433 You okay Joe? Your little spam responses to all these comments reek of disillusionment. You've not added anything to the conversation except a resistance to improvement.
@@eon6274 I got my point across that you folks with criminal minds are wrong. That was my goal.
@@joeking433 ?????
@@eon6274 FO.
I remember working for a company that did one of their sites. It was Windows based and it survived the attacks possibly because it was less important to them, and possibly because *we actually updated the archetecture it ran on*.
IIRC they were running something like a 10 year old copy of apache that was exploited to take their other sites down, among other egregious disregards for security.
Honestly glad they got hacked. Companies needed to be made accountable for their lackluster security.
outdated Apache servers is like the most commonly known and most commonly abused vulnerability 😅 what they were thinking?
A lesson that can be taken from this story is the importance of responsibility and security in the digital world. The PlayStation Network hack demonstrated that even large companies can be targeted by cyber attacks, resulting in the exposure of personal and financial data of millions of users.
If a man builds it,a man can tear it down.....expecting security online from anyone but yourself is the path to digital tyranny and we have enough government intrusion treading on all of us !
i think you are missing the point completely. sony will never recover from the shame of trying to destroy an individual. total abuse of a power position will never be tolerated.
@@tensevo Never recover? This happened ages ago and they don't give a single care about it anymore. The only thing that ever gets perpetuated about this crap is stupid youtube videos. There is no shame at all whatsoever for them.
Every company in existence today is targeted by cyber attacks and deals with them on a constant basis which is cyber security is a multi billion dollar business and has been ramping up over the past 10 years.
Was interesting to listen it . thank you for took all parts together into one good video
This court case was the seal for me to just keep upgrading my pc and never go back to playstation.
Still on the same road.
I remember this pretty fondly. I had Linux OS installed on my PS3 at the time. Not because I needed it, but just because i could do it. I remember wanting a better internet browser at the time. When the outage happened I think anyone that was part of a PS3 forum knew what was happening before Sony announced it. I remember being upset about losing the Other OS feature at the time. Not because it was gone, but because it set a precedent and I looked at it as, "Well, then I guess Sony could take something else next week" there was nothing to stop them from doing so. Having the PSN down for that long sucked, but I was glad a lesson was being taught.
And we got free stuff as a result when it came up.
Sony didn't take it away. A hacker forced them into that action. You sit here and blame Sony for defending their own product. Pretty crappy tbh
@@TPCDAZso you are saying Linux, at that time, is a tool for piracy? bastard. that facist action is way worse than nintendont
@TPCDAZ defending MY product from MY changes to it
@@Popirnot it’s not your product. It’s their product. You just buy the rights to use it. That would be like buying a movie and trying to change the ending. Your comment just shows the lack of knowledge you have for product usage laws. Back to educating yourself before you type rubbish the rest of us who are educated are forced to read.
It never ceases to amaze me when people allow conglomerates to get away with the nasty shit they do... Maybe we all should gather together, start small businesses and live off of one another and only use manufacturers to get our stuff made and sold. Like a large scale flea market...
Well, that is a dumb idea that will never fly.
@@joeking433 to be real that's how we've been doing things for centuries even today
It's because they are in charge. People ask why the normal Germans didn't stop the Nazis. The answer is the Nazis had all the guns.
or maybe we should use that second amendment more.
Sounds like some real hippy shit
This was a superb video.
Puts everything into perspective how it went down.
I didn’t know the data leaks where so closely linked to the hacking of the PS3
The hero: Geo
The anti hero: Anonymous
The villain: Sony
Sometimes reality gives us better movie plots than fiction.
Dont forget the court, which basically had no idea what was going on. They acted in favor of the "villain" until it was far to late. Homestly, you cant make this stuff up!
@@maxave7448 they always do look how hunterbiden can just use crack and meth whatever but if me or you did we be slammed! i wonder what is the law on jurry nulification on say a drug dleaer on grounds they shouldent be punished untill hunter is punished?
Well... the best science fictions stories i've heard were always the ones made in massive rpg's by real humans, like EVE online. Basically the whole partition in half of the galaxy between 1 giant empire and a massive amount of small federations that fough together afainst a single threat in itself already gives fundamentals for the story...
i wonder whats the situation with this game now.
Nice
Nah, anonymous is a villain.
There will always be those with the spine to speak up and the spine to do something about it.
14:08 this is why I love Anonymous, the way they write is so cool, the things they say are so true and professional and when they want something, they get it, they just need sufficient reason to pursue it. Not even the legal system can protect you when both consumers and hackers have to suffer for it in mass scale. I wish anonymous could do more for us
Hmm… 1 year ago. I believe it’s happening right now again.
Apple gets hacked: He so smart.
Sony gets hacked: What you doing bruh...
But Apple only thinks this way because it made them more money
@@bigfr0g maybe that's the point of the joke comment, apple knows better to benefit, sony only knows how to pick fights with no benefit
Thats why i dont buy sony products. Fuck this company
Yeah right. The angelic Apple with sweat shops and slave factories. They do nothing wrong!
Sony is a Japanese company. Japan has a very strict copyright law. And most Japanese companies are overprotective because of that. Think about Nintendo etc. They all sue modders, jailbreakers and hackers
Thats when google realized they had to alert everyone who's had their password exposed from a database hack at any database not just their own.
Thank you Kira again for another great documentary style post which covers all the major points of those times. You are legitimately giving the best hard hitting investigative journalism into Anonymous and Anon Ops in a long time. Mad respect from people who lived it from the Anon side.
I'm sorry but nah. "The elite hacker group Anonymous"???? Get fucked, get absolutely fucked. That's fucking Faux News tier sensationalism, and I think it does a disservice to the truly disseminated nature of the internet. I was fucking there on 4/8/420chan in 2011, voting on LOIC targets, didn't afraid of anything. There were maybe a dozen actually literate hackers that interacted with the *chan community, perhaps 3 or 4 that hit mainstream publicity, but you could never know because by definition we were all Anonymous, that's the whole fucking point. I could send a dick pic to Elon Musk, and you could blow up headlines with "Anonymous sends dick pic to Elon Musk, challenging his masculinity", and it would be true. Anonymous means Anonymous, nothing more and nothing less, and anyone trying to wave it as some ominous threat is trying to sell you a fucking bridge.
Man I remember middle school when we started jailbraking IPhones and having the ability to have any application we wanted. Mainly the customization and hidden stuff you could do…never knew who the first was.
I remember this day. Couldn’t play Blops after school and assumed it was nothing. Same thing next day and had to find out through UA-cam that PSN was hacked. For a month straight offline was nuts considering all the traffic they had. I appreciated the free games though. Found my love of infamous and Lbp because of this.
I was so mad, I’d play combat mode and it just wasn’t the same. But yeah infamous and little big planet we’re elite and made me forget about the whole thing after awhile 😂
Bro on god. I had to play zombies or bot games for a month straight lol.
Fortnatuely PSN was free back then. I remember Sony put out a demo disc with a broken build of a demo from Capcom that would crash and erase all the memory cards in the system. They gave away copies of GT3, Amplitube (or Frequency, probably Frequency) and I think Dark Cloud. Old games doesn't really compensate for time lost due to this, GTA San Andreas was a brand new game when this disc was sent out so I'd imagine alot of people lost the progress on every game they had saved.
It was a pretty wild time for me as I worked at Gamestop when it happened. Having to explain what happened to people and seeing how many were hit by it.
The annoying truth to this matter is in a democratic country like the US, we're actively allowing big companies like Sony to sue the little guy for stupid copyright claims. You can't blame the court for interpreting the law. You need scream at Congress until they change the Copyright laws or you vote them out until someone who does this gets in. Unfortunately we've been put into a position where we've been psychologically conditioned to not care enough to do this. The effort required to get this to work is just enough that not enough people would stay committed to this cause unless an egregious enough abuse that practically united the entire country were to occur.
This was not about copyright. This was about a hacker altering a product he owned and the company that produced that product over-reaching their proprietary rights. The courts were way out of line.
@@surferdude4487 Exactly
@@surferdude4487 Way out of line according to what you THINK is right. Way in line, according to how the system is supposed to work.
True
@@thewhitefalcon8539 how so? So if you buy a car and mod it like crazy...the manufacturer of that car can come and sue you?
I love how Anonymous is literally just a group of internet anarchists and yet they have such a cold calling card. "We are legion." That shit goes hard
its surprising how a bunch of people who most would consider "looser" irl can make a body that's just cool.
Anonymous used to be cool, but then they got recruited by 3 letter agencies now they stand for woke nonsense and ofc the jews.
I think “We are legion” is a bible reference or something, like the demon.
@@sslinger704 It's book of Mark chapter 5, specifically verse 9. A man possessed by demons says his name is Legion, for he is many.
Legion? Nah, they are fucking thieves.
Sony never accepted that i was a new operating system built by someone else, not in Sony. They were pissed and went all out Gamma in their behavior!!
it was never their property after it was changed, to sue. Frivolous lawsuit and waste of time!!!