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Waste of Silicon: AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT CPU Review & Benchmarks (vs. 3700X, 3900X, More)
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
- AMD's Ryzen 7 3800XT CPU benchmarked vs. the R9 3900X, R5 3600XT, 3700X, and Intel CPUs. Questionable use of sand, here.
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The AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT is as oddly positioned as was the original AMD R7 3800X CPU. In our 3800X review, we concluded "don't waste the money," noting that the 3700X made more sense. Now, with the AMD Ryzen 9 3900X being cheaper than at launch (it typically sits around $400, as the official new MSRP), a same-priced 3800XT leaves us scratching our heads. AMD is trying to raise ASP, it seems, because otherwise, the XT series doesn't have the same punch as other AMD launches. The company is starting to circle the Intel CPU release pattern of many years ago, and that concerns us. Either way, we're benchmarking the AMD R7 3800XT vs. the 3900X, 3800X, 3700X, Intel i9-10900K, i7-10700K, 10600K, and more. We briefly talk about Infinity Fabric clocks, overclocking, and voltages here, but our higher focus on overclocking is in the 3600XT CPU review (linked above). Benchmarks again look at the best CPUs for video editing, Adobe Premiere, gaming, Blender, code compile, and similar workloads.
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AMD R5 3600XT on Amazon: geni.us/ElRgFiz
AMD R5 3600 (non-XT) on Amazon: geni.us/Czsy
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AMD R7 3700X on Amazon: geni.us/QDP6KIV
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - R7 3800XT, 3800X, 3700X Comparison
04:15 - Three Kingdoms Benchmark & Important 3800XT Notes
05:48 - F1 2019 Benchmarks 3800XT vs. 3900X, 3700X, 10600K
06:51 - Hitman 2 Benchmarks 3800XT vs. 10600K, 3700X, etc.
07:47 - Red Dead Redemption 2 CPU Benchmarks
09:00 - GTA V 3800XT Stock vs. Overclocked, et al.
09:51 - Assassin’s Creed CPU Benchmarks R7 3800XT
11:06 - Blender Cycles CPU Rendering Benchmarks
12:57 - Adobe Premiere & Video Editing Best CPUs
14:32 - 7-Zip Compression & Decompression Top CPUs
15:25 - Programming Code Compile CPU Benchmarks (3800XT, 3900X)
16:26 - HandBrake Transcode CPU Benchmarks
17:09 - AMD R7 3800XT Power Consumption
17:31 - Conclusion: AMD Losing Sight of Objectives
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Curious if you can disable a ccx on this 3800xt, artificially making a 3300x with better binned silicon and maybe call it 3300xt :)
Thanks GN. Been waiting for these reviews to upgrade from 1700. Gonna go 3700x unless the highly tuned results do anything major
@@godsgiftto3arth Still using my 1200 and this week and last it has really lagged in windows and i dont have norton antivirus installed so its time to go 6 core or 4+4 core.
IDK why Steve is getting mad at this launch, I see this win as a win, the previous chips will just get cheaper over time which is a good for the consumers and we are expected to get newer chips
@@realghostxd Got to keep churning out the content.😁
I see what you're doing here, Steve. First you start with peripherals, t-shirts and the like and then before we know it, you're declaring 'Fine, I'll do it myself' and we see the 3700GN.
If anyone has $10 billion to spare, we need to build a fab.
@Ziv Zulander If I wore t-shirts more often, I would totally wear a GN "Fab-ulous" factory tour 2019/2020 shirt.
@@GamersNexus when is the LN2 shirt coming out (o 3o)
@@GamersNexus Make it a Patreon level and I'll see what I can scrounge up
The 3700GN, where TJMax equals the maximum thermals approved by TechJesus
Hey Steve, in the thumbnail are you snapping or giving the 3800XT the finger?
Obviously the finger and snapping his fingers. *multitasking*
No he is snapping the 3800XT out of existence like THANOS
Is yes not an option?
LOL yes
Egggscelent
3800XT $399.99 8 core/16 threads
3900X $399.99 12 core/24 threads
Thanks for posting this, ordering a 3700X instead
By my calculations the 3900x is gooderest purchase
And damn near the clock speed too.
more letters though - more better!
baconchipcookies but bigger number means better
Tom's Hardware: "Just BUY IT!"
Gamer's Nexus: "Don't buy it! It shouldn't EXIST!"
Wow verified person with 5 subs XD
@@darkwave6221 With UA-cam "verified profile", means just that, that the guy behind the profile has verified their identity. Only with Twatter that's some kind of badge of honor
@@sockaccount8116 not really. On UA-cam you also need to have some kind of presence outside of UA-cam to be verified. (You need to attach a list of references and articles) So maybe that person is known somewhere else for something...
Gamers nexus unbiased reviewers > clickbaiters for views and biased reviewers
@@evalangley3985 GN: AMD R5 3600 is the best CPU.
You, the fool: GN is an anti-AMD shill.
JayzTwoCents: "the 3800XT might be the best value out of the XT series"
GN Steve: *I'm gonna end this man's whole carreer*
Why I don't watch anything that joker does, he's an embarrassment
@@CJonestheSteam72 I watch his and Linus' video also. But there is no question about how much bigger shill channels they are. GN seems to have a lot of 'tegridy.
@@CJonestheSteam72 I enjoy watching the other guys (Jay/Linus/Paul/Kyle) for entertainment, but I'll watch GN for the hardcore data.
I have nothing against him, he can be reasonable, but lately he seems to want to call other people out to be wrong about something to prove his point or results over theirs for some validity or whatever.
@@odinsplaygrounds I can't do the pitch of Linus' voice. It's almost like nails on glass to me.
A year later still no regrets on picking the 3700x.
Same here with no regrets on picking 3600. A CPU for 200$ that can feed my old 1070 just fine - and if needed, can feed even faster and more powerful GPU. Only shameful thing back then was the x570 chipset, which was soo darn expensive...
@@Morpheus-pt3wq absolutely. I picked up a 3600 for a second system for $170 and it does a great job for its cost
Quite a few years later and I still have no regrets with my 1700. Now got her 'er running at 4ghz and I'm sure I'll be happy with it for some time
Yep, if I had to buy an AMD CPU right now, the 3700x still seems to be the most well-balanced price/performance CPU for my current and near-future general PC needs... no point standing for less and not worth it going for more!
Same here, 3700x and i love it.
12:22
AMD: Who's foot should we shoot ?
AMD: Ourselves ?
It's not this hasn't happened before. Or before that.
that may sound odd but releasing a product with such bad price to performance ratio might make their other products look better
@@MoltenPie You mean that AMD can sell off the outgoing silicon which have been binned for their original launch price. It gives them an opportunity to set the incoming Zen 3 at a higher price.
@@clansome I don't mind them doing so, the best price to performance products from AMD are the ones from previous gen. I am glad they are gonna make some money on dudes from first world countries who prefer r5 4600 to r5 3600. The higher price they can ask for new chips the cheaper they can sell "old" ones.
Who is foot should we shoot?
This product exists to A. Capitalize on tiny process improvements. B. Slow down the value degradation of the non XT product. Instead of dropping the price of that CPU, they present the XT which at full retail makes the non XT product a value. AMDs marketing team is coming up with creative ways to defeat the AMD price problem
"Instead of dropping the price of that CPU, they present the XT which at full retail makes the non XT product a value."
Bingo
AMD kicking itself in the nuts needlessly imo. As Steve says waste of silicon.
Except of course that they only created three new retail SKUs in the process that offer little value and will have to be discounted heavily to clear stock for Zen 3, supposedly still coming later this year. (
@@clansome The chips existed already and would have been a 3700x or 3800x otherwise. The XT chips basically cost nothing extra to make being just the cost of different IHS and binning that already occurs. Its not worth it to customers but its worth it for AMD as almost free advertising.
Just buy a normal 3900x over the 3800xt though, it is better silicon then it was at launch by a measurable amount and frankly +4 cores for -100mhz boost at the same price is worth it.
@Brad Hilton prices will drop again till then
"Questionable use of sand, here." lol
They must hate sand for being coarse and irritating
@@ML-fc3je and gets everywhere
Not gonna lie for 4k gaming at around 65fps on ultra settings I am looking at a 2k sort of build just to compete with the series x running only a 2nd gen ryzen 8 core cpu yet this 5600x just kills the xbox so the battle of cores is thrown out since faster cores beats the slowest 8 core cpu yet I know there is a 5800x that tops it but for 4k gaming whats the point of spenking 5k might aswel get that 1080p monitor and run the system at 400fps lol and over maybe drop teg game.settings too medium and turn everything else on low since when does shadow details make any difference for a multiplayer game you wont be looking at shadows lol 4k is for story based games 1440p is for those who are causal multiplayer who want a balance but then true gamers rather sacrifice resolution for refresh rate
@@jonathanoxlade4252 yeah im thinking 1440 but whats a good refresh rate or hz or whatever
That thumbnail; "I am Tech Jesus" I think AMD might be attempting to take up as much shelf space as possible so when people go CPU shopping all they would see is AMD.
Linus said the same thing. But then I'm like "what the hell, aren't we all staying at home and buying online?"
@@xerzy then whenever they search for CPUs they see only AMD
@@bananya6020 I'm pretty sure that's not how search engines or stock lists work? But hey, I'm not AMD so I guess I can't see what they're going after anyway. Might even be just wanting to get free marketing or people to focus on comparing AMD to AMD, as Steve said.
Works for Nvidia
I think you are close. Lots of SKU's being released to stay in the headlines, not so much to be on a shelf. Might as well, Intel has nothing to announce. Hog the limelight when you can. And to be honest at this point it could just be AMD trolling Intel.
10/10 thumbnail
perfectly balanced...
@@Dodara87 as all things should be
XT: solving an issue that didn't exist while causing a problem that didn't exist.
@Charles Clarke Exactly, and that's why I won't ride the hype train for either
I'd love to see an undervolting video. It might be interesting if it brings the silicon improvements to light
Undervolting on Zen2 is iffy. Super iffy. Because of the clock stretching certain workloads might run fine while others will have worse performance.
Basically all modes where you do not apply a fixed voltage like you do in fixed overclocks are iffy to sample on Zen2. Each CPU got its internal FIT table and will react to any changes you do according to that table.
Certain things like having a lot of Vdroop under load will help with performance, but in the end the CPUs got an internal black box that reacts unhappy about you changing external parameters.
AMD CPU: We have no more competitors now. What should we do now? Let's rival with our self.
AMD GPU: Crawling and arm reaching out for help.
more like driver's begging for food in the background with their ribs showing.
Lol do you know how stupid you sound? If amd was left with "no competition" then why did they try (and fail) to launch a response to Intel 10 series that has been called by some (like Steve) "a waste of silicon"?
You're all showing just how much of a sheep you are and blindly following them even when they walking you right off a cliff. Like for real how pathetic?
If it was Intel doing the same you'd all be losing it right now and creating ALL THE MEMES!
Intel is still superior for gaming this was a response to that and it failed.
"a waste of silicon"
Grow up and stop following brands like they're your significant other.
Ralston Metz okay fanboy. How ironic that you defend intel like it’s your significant other. Intel is a disgusting company
@@TJ.85 Sounds to me like you're one massive fanboy. You should look at your comment and realise you're part of the issue.
@@TJ.85 They literally didnt need to launch a response to the 10 series and they still would have intel beat price to performance with gaming and workstation.
Every time you show these AMD performance charts, it makes me REALLY want a R9 3950X.
If your gaming. Go for 3600 if you want amd. If you want high end for gaming only go Intel
@@georgebeshay7517 he wants a r9 3950 cant u read? Not even intel wants intel chips
If you are gaming AND streaming, 3950x is a beast and I can't recommend it enough.
Basically ANY cpu bound task.
If it is for pure gaming, go for i5 or i7 10th gen for the max performance,they give the highest frames .For video editing, streaming while gaming etc, go for the ryzen.
@@Sm00thieK they are fanboys who think amd is there friend just cause some youtube said so LOL. good luck with ur common sense
Good! Your hate (for corporate BS) has made you powerful Steve!
*BIOS early Ryzen adopter concerns*
"Are we mad yet?" -AMD Fans
"Give it time." -Steve
*$50 per letter markup (XT)*
"Should we riot?" -AMD Fans
"Wait for it." -Steve
*3800XT numbers*
"???" -AMD Fans
"NOW we start." -Steve
I predicted XT was DOA
I believe it was as stated above a way for amd to increase prices on ryzen 3
@@OdinAlgeron thats what i loved the most when people fan boy'd AMD. like any company, if they feel they can, they will ask for top dollar.
@@rickylafleur5823 It was meant to happen. People thought this would make Intel prices go down but actually AMD prices gonna speed up and catch up to those of Intel. Probly sooner than lately
AMD is keeping their reputation perfectly balanced. Gain some rep for discounting products, then lose it again with the XT series. Gain some rep for Navi being actually decent, lose it with driver issues, etc.
bananya This is honestly why I refuse to go AMD until they have everything fixed/figured out.
SyncF ???
@ageofbogyo no its not 100 times bigger wtf are u talking. Market cap of amd its 60b. Intel 240b
@@marcos14223 keyword being cap i guess
@@SyncF exactly I have a ryzen system (a cheap backup unit I use when my main rig is down but for my day to day and for gaming 99.9% of the time it's Intel and Nvidia that keep things operating at their best and without stability issues.
Jeez, $400! That's what I paid for my 3900X just before COVID hit...
GN thumbnails are top game quality, I just clicked because of it, the content is also superb, GN is so underrated to be honest, should be at 5M subscribers minimum...
It's a 3700++, change my mind
3700++-1/2+
That is why i buy Intel, they are already at ++++, AMD is nothing compared to Intel with only 2 +.
@@happygimp0 but but the pricing.
more like an 3700+-
@@happygimp0 Arent they at +++++ (5) now?
I was realy hoping the Xt releases would drop the price off the 3900x, but so far it stayed completely the same. (in germany)
Good video (coming from a 3800X owner's perspective) 👍. Though, I purchased my X (none XT) version new, for less than the going rate for a 3700X. It's not that these aren't good chips, just that cost is relevant.
Exactly. A friend of mine wanted to get a 3900x but was short on cash, and he was gonna settle on a 3700x, until he found out the 3800x was 3€ cheaper. Lol.
Been an AMD user all my life but well said, give them the finger Steve, I don't wanna see AMD go the intel route, and you guys, and other tech youtubers have the influence to make this happen. Lisa, I like the enthusiasm but this year's 07.07 was more a funeral than a celebration.
AMD are a corporation, why did you expect them to behave any differently than Intel when presented a glimmer of success? Only going to be a fan of them when they're losers? Typical. It's not like this is AMD's first time shitting on the consumer. False advertisement on FX core counts, 9590 retailing for, what was it $900 initially? For what was simply a binned 8350.
@@Yelkwood9 For some reason tech people get really autistic about brand loyalty.
@@Yelkwood9 That's not even touching up on more recent ones in bad positions. Like lying about a Vega 56 sale to try, and sabotage the 1660Ti.
Jay and Linus both recommended it. So now I'm just flat-out confused.
But honestly I trust this data the most so I'm guessing they're delusional.
Yeah, I was a bit more confused at their responses. I definitely trust Steve and GN's much more thorough testing, the proof is pretty clear.
The difference is that Steve actually tests things...
Check level1techs UA-cam channel
If you look at Linus' benchmarks, his recommendation makes no sense. For some reason, his 3900X results were worse than his 3600 results. Hell, even Skylake-X refreshes were better than this
Linus did say something about not updating the bios gave them better performance. I’m pretty sure that Steve did update the bios so....
I strongly believe that the 3800x has matured since it first launched. I just purchased a 3800x due to it being cheaper now I was able to get my 3800x to 4.45 ghz all core on the stock cooler with 1.3v. On a b550 board...
Paid 420 shipped for my 10700k, seems like that is a better buy, which is odd considering thats supposed to be AMD's spot in the market
I guess the pricing argument depends on where you are in the world. Here in Canada (obviously in CDN $)
3700X $413
3800X $470
3800XT $530 - 569 depending on where you look
3900X $620
Not quite "the exact same price" but it's still questionable value. I would guess that there might be regions where the value calculation varies widely.
Ya, good catch, I'm always confused on these American dominated threads. Just now I was like, uh, the 3900x is 100 bucks more than the 3800xt.
1800X: An i5 in Gaming, i7 in Production
3800X: Don't Waste the Money
3800XT: Waste of Silicon
1800x was also considered a waste by a lot of users, including GN. It made little to no sense, like the 3800xt
@@Tudorgeable I couldn't find the line mentioning it, would have put it in the comment otherwise...
@@Tudorgeable I went 7700k instead and paid $350 in 2017 sold it a month or so ago for $300 meanwhile my buddy who has had the 1800x this whole time (and paid $500) can't even get someone to give him $150 for it.
There's a reason I stick with Intel for my main gaming rigs.
@@TJ.85 1800x was a bad buy for gaming then too. 7700 didn't make much sense since it didn't improve skylake at all, while the 8700 is substantially better, a lot better.
I'd never pay 300$ for a used i7, it's way too close to new price
@@TJ.85 If he buyed an 1800x for gaming, then he is clearly dumb, no other words, and it is not amd fault. If he buyed it for productivity, it was crushing Intel offering, since the comparable performing sku was 6900k, for 1k$, so 50% less for same performances. In productivity is was not a great value anyway compared to 1700x for example.
Btw, pricing of the 6900k dropped as fuck too, you cannot sell it for more than 200-250e in my country (1k msrp), while 7700k can be sold for 250e (340$ msrp).
Old i7 prices are still insane, because some people on second hand market are just dumb. 300$ is the price of a full combo 3300x, mobo and ram, for the same performance; or the price of a brand new 10600k which is way better
Hello! I love your videos, especially the CPU and GPU benchmarking. I'm not in the market to build a new PC right now, but I"m learning a whole lot about why things are done the way they are in the industry. I especially appreciate the mixture of "what does the technology do" coverage and "why is Company X behaving this way" coverage. I'm learning to have an entirely new perspective on these things. Y'all are awesome.
I have noticed that I never ever see 3800/X/XT(?) advertised prominently as stand alone parts for end users to purchase. I tend to see 3600/X/XT and 39X0/X/XTs.
The only time I see 3800/X/XTs advertised with the same prominence is as an onboard CPU option in prebuilt systems from various gaming-focused SI products (e.g.: www.ekfluidgaming.com/fgpcs/). I've always just assumed it's really meant to provide more gradation for SIs/etc. and not really intended to be a consumer facing product, but gets marketed that way for reasons I do not understand.
Well, the one point he has not mentioned, is warranty and ease of use.
I bought the 3800xt, updated my bios, dropped it in, adjusted the memory timings. No cpu overclock, every thing set to auto.
Because I have not overclocked the CPU, the warranty is still valid.
4.75 GHz boost on single core, 4.4 GHz boost all core, on a noctua air cooler.
Which means it beats the i7 10700k in cinebench r20.
I can also play stellaris, late game, on large galaxy, with hardly any lag until I get up to 10k pop +.
I'm happy with my purchase!
I feel like this is a case of their 7nm process maturing and getting better yields than it did in the early days of Zen2, so AMD is doing all they can to try to convince people to buy SKU's that yield them a higher profit margin rather than wasting them populating budget SKU's. Think of it this way, the 3800XT must be the most profitable SKU at this point as it's the highest single CCD CPU in the Zen 2 Ryzen portfolio. It requires the same components as the 3300X, 3600, 3600X, 3600XT, 3700X, and 3800X, literally all require 1 CCD + 1 cIOD, so the cost to manufacture every one of those seven CPU's is pretty much identical. They gave us the 3800X and no one really wanted it, so now they took what is the new top 10% of binned CCD's and gave us new $250, $400 & $500 SKU's with the hope of bringing their margins back up.
problem is just that xt models don't bring anything. same oc headroom (pretty much none) and same all-core boost speeds. useless release.
Saw some dork crying his MicroCenter didn’t carry this and laughed. Like, thank god some retailers are awake for this.
Why do you choose to not use a RAM-disk for the compiling benchmark? When you compile with just the SSD you measure the I/O limitations much more than the CPU-performance, when you compile on RAM then it shifts more towards measuring the CPU-performance. It is not that relevant for the end-conclusion of the overall performance but it seems to me that compiling on RAM is better for benchmarking and Level1Techs chooses to compile on RAM.
We actually talked about this in our methodology piece. You should probably watch it.
That thumbnail is legendary. Steve is inevitable.
LMAO AMD, the spirit of Rebrandeon strikes again!
+++++++++++++++++++
@@jondonnelly4831 More like "Ryzen 3700XTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT"
Still nothing compared to Intel :p
At least i'm not alone in the feeling that i reviewed the same product
I guess that the XT CPUs will work quite well in non-DIY-products that already come with a higher price and where the name is more important for marketing reasons than price.
I haven't seen the review yet but this seems like a trick to raise the prices for the 4000-series.
Words I never thought I'd hear in a CPU review
"Dragging it's bloody corpse through the streets ...."
Every other reviewer: Here are the differences between X and XT..
Steve: Hold my silicon
that... sounds so wrong
I kinda want AMD to see making an R5 3650XT with a single 6 core CCX (half 3900X) and an R7 3850XT with single 8 core CCX (half 3950X). That would be amazing!
when is the 4000 series coming ? :)
“If this were an Intel part, no doubt that the AMD fan base would be dragging its bloody corpse through the streets for months on end.” 😂
and it would probably be branded a whole new generation, too!
We need our 9900ks time too
Only amd fanboys can turn this around and say we'll isn't this nice of them thanks for the more expensive and slower option! Lmao
@@TJ.85 like you say option... buy the other one, i know ppl gets mad whit refresh, like the 9900ks just buy the K only and/or wait to see the actual new generation launch
Reminder to AMD, we asked for APU, not XT.
The APU is Ryzen 7 4700 coming soon-ish?
did we really though? i'm kinda done with integrated graphics on high end stuff.
No announcements so soonish?
rumours said either next week or last week of July
July 21-st.
Absolutely on point with the thumbnails recently 👍
Everybody else: 10 minutes for all 3 CPUs combined.
GN: fucking 2 hour documentary about how they're all shit and why they shouldn't exist.
And I love it.
I did waste my money on the 3800X knowing that you said that.... :)
AMD just did what Intel has been doing for last few years. Selling us the same product for more.
But Intel does it much better. There's a reason after even this it's Intel that remains on top of gaming performance. And don't get it twisted this was a direct response to Intels much better gaming performance they pulled out of their butts with 10 series.
@@TJ.85 Yeah, it's a shame that people only buy PC's for gaming, right? This wasn't a response to Intel's better gaming performance, AMD has been behind Intel's top tier gaming performance for years. AMD released XT for two reasons... First, they wanted to take attention / momentum away from Intel's 10th gen launch. Second, they were sitting on a bunch of binned CCD's that they originally set aside for EPYC Milan CPU's, and rather than move those into lower margin existing Ryzen SKU's, they created new SKU''s with the hope of getting the most profit possible out of their best silicon. Intel has done this for years, it's just more egregious with AMD because they use the same Zen 2 CCD's across all Ryzen 3000, ThreadRipper and EPYC SKU's, so there is a massive amount of binning / product segmentation going on. Since the best testing stuff goes to EPYC and Threadripper, nearly all of the silicon with the most overclocking potential doesn't end up in Ryzen SKU's.
I own both a 3600X and a 3800X, and I'll tell you that the 3800X is absolutely noticeably better than the 3600X. I have the 3800X in my main Linux gaming rig, and maybe I hit the silicon lottery, but I get single-core benchmarks that equal a 10700K/9900K and on multi-core it's just unbelievable (my most recent Geekbench 5 multicore score was 10000). I use the 3800X in my main PC for a reason. The 3600X is a great part, but the 3800X is definitely worth it. Now I would definitely agree that the 3800X*T* is NOT worth it, considering I beat Jayztwocents's geekbench score by a whole 1000 points and he was running an *XT* and I was just running the *X*. And since I compile custom kernels for my gaming rig, having that multi-core performance is invaluable, it's twice as fast as the 3600X in kernel compilation.
Almost makes me wonder if Windows' terrible scheduler is holding the performance back
@@minecraftsabotage It definitely is. I use the PDS scheduler on Linux (though even the default CFS scheduler is good), and it's incredible. I always absolutely crush 3800Xs running on Windows (even at the same clock speeds) running the same benchmarks. Hell, Cinebench only runs through Wine on Linux, and even in Cinebench I get fantastic scores. It's often like that, too. I used to own a 3200G and for a long time I had the highest Geekbench 5 score of all 3200Gs.
Damn, the 10600k is a beast for $250. I should have it instead of paying $110 more for 10700k
*Jay* : 3800XT good middle of the road
*Steve* : 3800XT DON'T BUY IT
From what Level1Techs is saying, this new silicon quality may be the result of TSMC N7+ node. Maybe they have booked the fab and Zen 3 is still on its way, so this is a gap filling product for now. I do think this product is confoundingly priced as well.
@@evalangley3985 DING! That's the key, although AMD insists that XT aren't simply binned units, I think they're playing a game to get around the definition of binning. We all know that ALL Zen 2 based CPU's are using the same 8-core CCD's, some with cores disabled / failed to fill the 4, 6 and 12-core SKU's. It's pretty well known that AMD was binning the top 20% of CCD's for EPYC, and while EPYC has sold well, they seem to have some extra CCD's and decided to give us XT so they can maximize their chance of making maximum profit per piece of silicon while taking attention away from Intel's 10th Gen Core launch. I don't fault AMD for doing this, Intel does it as well, except normally it's an entire Core generation. This is not TSMC N7+ node process that will be Zen 3, simply because we known that Zen 3 moves to 8-cores per CCX and it would require completely retooling the Zen 3 7nm+ process for 4-core CCX's which would cost an insane amount of money. These chips are Zen 2, it's just that they are leftover CCD's that were originally binned for EPYC.
Also, this new system of using the same CCD's across all desktop and server products is the reason why Zen just doesn't overclock like previous AMD desktop CPU's, all of the best performing silicon now gets binned and reserved for their much higher profit margin server and threadripper products. Note that this can't be the case with Ryzen 4000 mobile APU's, as while they also technically use Zen 2 core design, they are on a monolithic die.
I have to ask, how come the 3900x is slower than 3700x and sometimes 3800x in gaming? Is it due to more cores which lowers the average frequency?
Always love your reviews!
At 3:47 "This one's going to be quick" 18min 10 sec later video finishes. Buildzoid's rubbing off on you !!
Lmao spending that price difference on better ram or better cooling would end up working out so much better. These refreshes feel like AMD giving us a distraction to keep us occupied while they're still working on the 4000 chips.
The AM4 version of the Athlon X4 950 deserves the "Questionable use of sand" title more.
Could R7 3800XT be configured to run at the frequencies of 3700X, but have a lower voltage & power consumption, so you can keep it at 50 degrees Celsius, with the CPU fan running at a really quiet 30 dBa ?
"we get it amd, ye can make a 3700x, like Nvidia can make a 1080ti", oof, just like motherboard makers are perfecting the featureless lump of metal some erroneously call a VRM heatsink, lol.
Last time I was this early, Steve had short hair.
Lies! Steve was born with those locks
@@soapa4279 i'm just imagining Steve as a baby but his hair is like three times his entire height
You sure you dont confuse this with Linus beard?
@@bananya6020 hahaha
Now you are just writing fiction.
Thanks for the review! Micro center has a sale on 3800xt $299.99. Too bad it’s 80 miles away. However, I found a new one for $290 on Facebook marketplace. I was planning to get the 3700x but the 3800x and xt prices are reasonable enough to consider now.
You can trashtalk the 3800 as much as you want, fact is that my 3800 has such a superior silicon that my PBO/EDC settings give me 15-20fps more than your benchmarks show - going head to head with Intel line-up.
True story. I have my 3800x to its max stability along with my memory timings and frequencies. I love having the ability to push my hardware to where it is supposed to be, which is why there is an "x" at the end of the processor name. These processors are made for us geeks who love to fine tune our systems into beasts that they are supposed to be. AMD has ever been the underdog, and a lot of us have been watching them get better and better over the years. I still hold Intel responsible for their benchmark tweeking that made their processors look better than actuality. I also got my 3800x for a cheaper price than the 3700x on Black Friday, so yeah.
Basically my takeaway from this is "if you can snag a 3900x for $399, it's probably a good deal and makes a hell of a lot more sense than the XT parts."
Picked up a 3900x last week for $420 after tax. I really wanted a 3900xt, but couldn't justify the price difference based on the slightly higher clocks of the XT. I'm hitting 4.4GHz all core pretty easily. Looking to push it higher once the parts for my custom loop come in. So far I'm really impressed with the 3900X, besides how high the temps get. I thought I was OCing it too much, but from all the forums I've checked, it seems like the chips just run really hot. Hoping a bigger radiator will help. I have it on a 280mm rad right now, and it doesn't perform at the noise level I want. Ordered a 360mm radiator to try out.
where is at 399?
Or spend $387 and get a 10700k and you're better off. For most of the people who actually shop and buy this stuff. (not content creators)
Well damn, and I though this was an interesting processor...
As soon as I heard about it I knew what I had to do. Go ahead and finishing ordering my 10900k cause they're weren't going to be doing any "Intel slaying".... Not today and not this year.
Hands down the best thumbnail yet!
So possibly the silicon quality change will come to the Zen 3 chips, resulting in clock speed gains over Zen 2.
Ryzen takes l this time should've lower the zen2 prices and launch zen3 instead tbh
AMD does lower prices where's Intel??
Zen3 isn't done, do you want a repeat of the Zen1 launch? There were a lot of issues back then, as they had to push it out the door ASAP.
I think consumers have lost sight of the whole deal. AMD is a business, and they need to make that paper. With Zen they have gained popularity, market share, they need to keep it going long term.
OK shill.
Most business's don't "need" anything from me but they can "earn" my support.
@@TJ.85 hahahahhahahaha. You dont know what a "shill" is. Businesses "need" your money else they go bankrupt and shut down. Dont comment if you dont understand what you're talking about.
I absolutely hate clickbait titles, and I always appreciate your videos having accurate and informational titles so that you know what you'll watch. This did not sound like a video with anything important in it due to 3800xt being a suspected moneygrab cpu. But I wanted to show appreciation and still watch it.
I love this channel, it's like sitting in a class room and listening to a high tech lecture and drinking coffee at the same time.
BTW @Gamers Nexus what software are you using to make these wonderful slides with the time bars on left and right going down? I would like to do something similar albeit more "Cyberpunk"
Sorry for a month late comment LOL
You can make similar effect results by using any adobe premiere/davichi resolve via keyframe
"Waste of silicon that could be used for something else in AMD's line-up." Uh... not really... The chiplets are 8 cores each. The 3600/X/XT all have two cores tested as either defective or insufficient performance and are disabled. These are effectively throw aways; discount bin CPUs. Same can be said of the 3900X/XT since it has two chiplets each with two cores disabled for the same reason. Unless you go 16-core, the best-of-the-best per-core performance will be on the 3800XT now, which is getting priced (MSRP) same as the 3800X but doesn't come with a stock cooler. This is a slight refresh on the lithography of the CPU that really only benefits AMD's production either in costs or potential performance or both. Ideally the XTs would just replace the production of the Xs, but Ryzen 4000 is too soon coming. It exists because of production efficiency improvements; however briefly. Does it make sense to upgrade to it? No. Right now though, it is the best "median average" single-core performance CPU from AMD under $500. So for gaming, and/or streaming; it makes sense... it has purpose. Building a new streaming PC? Hard to recommend a different CPU if you don't get an nVidia card. Why wouldn't you? Lots of people have a strong personal bias against nVidia for a lot of anti-consumer business practices and refuse to support them. So... H.264 encoding on the CPU just works so nicely. I do wish we could stream with H.265 encoding though...
Contender for the Disappointment PC 2020? Maybe on an MSI X570 Board to give those VRMs work to do. And for best product re-launch matching, maybe put in a Radeon RX 590 GME into it?
Hi Steve, if running stock and just chucking in 3600Mhz or 3800Mhz memory with AMP profiles, how do they compare with other counterparts? Doesn't Ryzen parts benefit more from memory speeds rather than overclock?
And do you think the non T parts prices will go lower and will they compete better with cometlake?
With the increasing popularity of emulation, I wonder how a multithreaded system like RPCS3 would benefit and scale with cores and frequency. It is known that Intel CPUs fare better here, but Ryzen has become a good option primarily due to the core advantage, even if marginal. Most importantly, it'd also be worthwhile to check how Zen 3's 8 core CCX compares to Zen 2's 2x4c CCD.
At least now a 3800x is pretty much identical in price with a 10600k at ~£280. Tough choice between those.
Awesome content as always.
I like the metro poster but the incorrect use of blobs instead of ticks at non-interchange stations annoys me more than it probably should.
Off topic: is it me or Steve looks exactly like Charlie Cox? Awesome Daredevil 🤣
Just put my order in for the 3900XT. Very excited! It's been 80 years since I had an AMD build.....
80 Years?? 😶
The new budget king is the 3700X
Shoutout to the OG mouse mat, the mod mat mini
Can't wait to get a 2080 Super Duper and a 3800XT-AF
I have a 3800XT and I remember deciding on that over the 3900X just due to it being a bit out of my price range. I live in Australia
This video had me worried as I just ordered a 3800XT - but I'm confident I made the right choice. The biggest issue here seems to be the pricing comparison to the 3900x - my 3800XT cost around £310, whilse the £3900X is around £420. Definitely the better choice at 75% of the cost.
@Gamers Nexus why you stopped showing i5 10400 running on STOCK settings in all latest benchmarks, I doubt people running their 10400 on 2666 CL15
Now, that a year have passed, where i live the 3800xt is 120k HUF, 3900x is 195k HUF.
how the times have changed
I picked up this chip back in early December for £20 (I'm in the UK) more than the 3700X. I was after the 5900X but you all know what happened there. Well happy with the purchase so far and this is my first AMD build since Athlon 64.
is the 3800XT single 8C16t chips or 2 4c/8t chiplets? With the power output they couldn't use 2 8c16t chiplets in the 3950x so I wonder if they are just trying to move stock which doesn't quite fit into designated specs of other CPUs e.g. too power hungry to meet tdp specs of a standard 3800x, 3950x or a 3300x?
It only took about 1 minute at double speed for me to do a complete 180. I started the video saying I think I’m gonna buy one for my birthday on Friday. Started doing math on how much it would cost after selling my 3600. But then bam you changed my mind. For now. Lol
3800XT was a blessing! Got 3800X discounted ~120 pounds today :P
Damn, 3800X at £279 why would anyone get the 3700X at £280 lol 😶😶.
@@earthtaurus5515 Because the 3700x is $50 cheaper than the 3800x for North America
Is this a waste of silicon or is the 3700X to 3800XT all coming off the same manufacturing batch with different binnings? I agree it makes no sense for the price increment but if it was the 3700 Silver and Gold and now manufacturing reliability is getting better so they release a 3700 Platinum off the same wafer isn't that the same thing?
So in the UK I can get a 3600xt for $100 less than a 3800xt, and a 3900x is another $85 more. So over here it seems the pricing is more spaced out to represent the differences in performance, based on these prices what would you recommend?
Ps. I'm not inclined to spend the extra for a 3900x
I currently own a 2700x on an x470 Taichi. I run stock, except for CL14 3200MHz memory. When I upgrade, should I buy the 3900X at the reduced price or the 3900XT? Not getting a cooler is okay as I already own an NH-D14.
I have no clue what is going on with the CPU market anymore. Everyone is hyped for AMD and I was thinking maybe I should start thinking about an upgrade. When I asked myself what kind of improvements will I get from the new computer and what will I need the new performance for I wasn't able to answer that question and the web was only able to tell me that I can play the latest games with max settings.
I had a friend ask me to recommend a streaming and gaming system build. I initially thought 3700X. Then heard about these new releases. Thanks to you GN, I am going with the original plan of 3700X for his budget.
Well, on the bright side, you don't have to play the step/revision lottery.
Although you still have to play the silicon lottery if you want to heavily overclock.
What good are new processors (even if they are good) when boards are either unavailable or massively overpriced? I have had an msi x470 pro carbon for a while now (with a 2700x) and I think its a dud for a number of reasons (crazy voltages, bad memory compatibility, instability etc...), but shopping for anything comparable (newer or better) is impossible to justify right now.
I find this title very harsh and unnecessarily so. This video made me so skeptical about even giving the CPU a try and it shouldn't have. I got the CPU alongside a MSI Tomahawk for combined 360€ about a week ago and at that price it's great. It's about what a 3900X costs alone. And the 3800XT does beat the 3900X overall in gaming performance and 8 cores is a good compromise for most of us casually streaming.
I get the hole point of this being justified upon release but maybe it'd be beneficial to name the titles more accordingly because as prices drop these overhauls 'that shouldn't exist' or 'are a waste of silicon' outperform their counterparts massively in price/value as time passes. F.e. i could've saved exactly 20€ if I chose a 3700X instead of the 3800XT.