I pull a 5000 lb travel trailer with a 2015 HD 2500 Silverado. It has the 6.0 Vortec gas engine. I'd ten times rather have a 1/2 ton truck.... let me follow up with this. I have a class A CDL with doubles tripples & tankers and HazMatt. Towing heavy loads in adverse conditions is something I know about & have done many times. A 5k trailer & a good 1/2 ton truck. No issues whatsoever.
I went from a 2017 f150 3.5 eco boost to 2012 f250 6.2 gas now I have a f250 7.3 disel buy far the disel pull the best and has better Fuel economy towing and not towing. But the 6.2 F250 is a great truck to two with as well but Fuel economy towing and regular driving it’s not that good. So you may spend more money all repairs on a diesel but with a good running diesel it’s worth it. You’ll spend that amount of money in just fuel on the 6.2 gas in just Fuel. The f150 3.5 eco boost is a great truck It can pull loads but just not as safe as a three-quarter ton or 1 ton it can be a rocky experience with a Half ton.
What about the overbuilt Toyota Tundra with 3/4 Specifications, excluding the payload. But technically if it has a payload of 1640 lbs then it's a 3/4 ton haha. Would you tow a 5300 dry and 6500 lb loaded 26' dual axle travel trailer for over 1200 miles continuously say 4x a year. My Tundra is a 2008 5.7L SR5 crewmax 2we. Also I'll be hauling family, and dogs over 700lbs in cab + 400 lbs of payload camping stuff, and a 750 lb tongue weight.
Ask yourself this AFTER researching it: Which power plant (Diesel or Gas) with TODAYs technology would most likely get you to 250k miles without a major repair bill? If you said Diesel you are wrong! Unless your trailer stays behind your truck ALL the time you will almost always come out better with a gasser nowadays. You will never recoup your fuel, maintenance is considerably higher and the chance of major expense is much higher. Less than 10k you are better off with a gasser....
The newer F-150 ecoboost can comfortably tow 9000 pounds. It’s rated for 13300. Shit I’ve seen em pull 14000 up 6% grade. If you set up the hitch and trailer right you’ll be fine with a half ton. Not paying near 20k more
I agree, got a 2014 F250 diesel to pull my 27 foot travel trailer that weighs over 7,000 lbs loaded. After towing it from CA to TN I am very happy I got my diesel, especially after my experience over the Teton pass!
Got my F250 Gas 6.2 and towed from east coast to California and back--- hit many mountains, maybe even the Teton pass , and had nothing but memorable expericences without the memories of $9000.00 extra up front cost, cost of expensive oil changes and up-keep. To think of it the F250 gasser was new then and now 5 years and 159,000 Km later I have only put $600.00 in it, besides oil changes, for a new manifold. Just can't beat that record. (Oh ya I also put 4 new tires on it)
I pulled 5k lbs 5500 miles with a 3/4 ton ram gas truck. I never pushed the truck to it's maximum capability. I even drove up this fucked up winding road to big bear lake in southern California. It did great. If you don't mind the engine revving like a crotch rocket it's not too bad.
It’s great that you like your truck. I’ve been towing 7000 to 8000-lb fifth wheels with half tons - that’s right! Fifth wheels! - for 17 years. No sway. No white knuckles. The RPMs are never at 5 or 6 thousand for the entire trip (?). Actually the only stress I experience on trips has been from guys telling me I can’t tow with a half-ton and I need a 3/4 or 1-ton truck .
People are telling you that because more then likely you’re over payload. Most 1/2 tons just don’t have the payload to accommodate the pin weight and what ever else you have in the TV.
Look at Wandering Wagners on youtube. They, as many people, got sick of emissions issues, and traded their diesel for a gas 3/4 ton. They pull a 30 foot trailer all over the country with less total cost and issues. Modern gas engines work very well. Unless you are pulling heavy loads most of the time, you don’t need diesel.
my 98 dodge ram 2500 8.0 V10 has a higher tow rating than any other 2500 dodge,even the diesel. and has almost 500 pounds of torque......just below the diesel, and tow rating of 13.000 lbs Ill agree the diesel will tow alittle better, but my repairs are 1/4 the costs. I did the 4% grade on hwy 75 just outside of knoxville TN.....and never down shifted one time with od off at 2800 rpm (4 speed + od auto ). Shes a beast, old school, and id never trade for a diesel of the same year. I did try the same trip with half the weight in my 360 1500....and it felt like i was beating the engine like a rented mule the entire trip. Down side of the V10......8 mpg towing.......up side......14 empty on the way home at $2.25 a gal. So all newer trucks, i agree with you 100%. They dont make a gas engine worth its weight any more
Midsized and 1/2 tons are geat for towing occasionally. 3k# mowing trailer all the time def beat breaks, tires and the transmission of my 07 Ranger. It did geat hauling it but hills and headwinds made it run at high RPMs. I remember climbing a hill at 5,500 to 6,000 RPM to hit the peak hp and 2800 for beginning of peak torque. Truck got 8 to 12 mpg towing that trailer full and 14 mpg towing it light w/ ramp gate flat down on deck on flat ground. My F150 hauled weight better and got about 14mpg with its 302 Windsor. But tires still took beating. My 86 K20 8,600 GVWR gets 13-15 MPG with load in truck, 7 with plow on, and 10+ towing. But I now have 10 ply tires, bigger & thicker brakes, 6,000# rear axle rating. 3,000# in bed will make it sit level and it won't even notice my lil trailer. If towing ANYTHING every day, hundreds of miles per week buy class 2 truck.
I pull 5k with my 97 Subaru out back 😂 no but in all seriousness 5000 wouldn’t stress anything on my f150 EcoBoost. Anything over 9k though i will step up
Same with my Ecoboost. The trouble is big wind with a long travel trailer. Ecoboost pulls it through mountains no sweat, but wish the truck was beefier in the monster wind gusts
I don’t agree. I have a 6 litre gas chev 1 ton and a dodge Cummins diesel. I don’t know what they have done to the diesel but my Chevy will outpull the diesel any day of the week
3.5eco pulls 5k or 7k like it’s not even there. Have duramax and powerstrokes at work I’d say they pull 5k about the same as my f150. I’d get an 3/4 ton or one ton if I was pulling 8-9k lbs more then a few times a month.
I tow my 13000lb RV with my F350 V10 with a tuner and shift controller. It tows about the same as my 7.3L diesel did but burns about twice the fuel doing it. I get 7-9 mpg loaded.
2006 dodge quad cab oilburner 30 foot steel deck gooseneck 12,000 pound International single axle semi loaded on and 16mpg on I75 between the nuc power plant in alabama and nashville tn... Try that with your gas burner
I have 2015 f250 6.2 gas. I pull a 6200lb travel trailer just fine. I can do the 70 plus but keep to the limit plus or minus a few mph. Towing isn't about how fast you can pull something. It's about doing it safely. A half ton doesn't have the suspension capacity for most campers. I went that route. I had a Gmc Sierra 1/2 ton. I did my research. It had a 6500lb towing cap. I bought a 4500lb travel trailer. It struggled to pull it. I couldn't drive on the interstate. It wouldn't break 65. I traded for a 2015 f250. I haven't been happier. For what i pull and where i drive the gasser does just fine.
I get it. I have had a 2500 gas now I have a 2500 diesel . Everything runs smoother. The rig is more responsive and I feel the power difference. I will never go back to gas.
I have a 2011 F250 6.7 diesel and a 2016 F250 6.2 gas. Identical trucks in every way including paint and interior colors, both crew cab 4X4 short beds, 3.73 gears. The 6.2 gasser has been way less money to buy and own and I am pretty happy with it towing up to about 10,000lbs. Up above that she is working too hard and the mileage goes in the crapper so I switch to the 6.7. I do my own oil changes, the 6.7 for oil and filter is almost $100.00 the 6.2 is $38.00. Empty the gas motor gets an average of 13mpg the diesel 16mpg but diesel cost 20 cents more per gallon around here. So in 100 miles the gas cost me $17.63 in fuel and the diesel costs $15.56 but then you also have to add in DEF so they come out about even on fuel cost. I have 150K miles on the diesel and 30,000 on the gas and both have been great trucks so far. I would not hesitate recommending the 6.2 gas for anyone keeping loads under 10,000lbs and its starting to prove to be a very reliable and long lasting engine out there in the oil fields, mining operations and big commercial fleets.
Florida Saltwater Life thanks for your insight. I'm currently looking at buying a 6.2 or a 6.7. I like the 40k price of the 2017 6.2 for my 9k max payload TT.
Totally agree, I have had the same results, my travel Trailer is 8000 lbs and my F250 with the v10 handles it easily, even in the mountains. Much lower cost of ownership. Sold my diesel to buy the gasser.
+Gary Briggs Ha ha. In my case at least they are the things I'm trying to tell others after going through two other trucks and not being satisfied with their towing performance.
Eventually everyone that tows regularly moves up to a 3/4 ton or higher. Gas vs Diesel is just preference. I towed 12K pounds with an ecoboost for two years. I wore out the truck completely and almost died a couple of times. With the 3/4 ton I can relax while I'm driving and the truck is happy.
@@blackburd how was reliability of engine towing? Id never pull 6 tons with a F150. I pull 3,000# trailer all summer for mowing. I have an HD truck for big jobs...
Totally agree my duramax makes towing so much smoother then my Ram 1500 Hemi. Trans temps are way lower fuel efficiency is higher engine temps are lower.
I keep forgetting my 6500 lbs fifth wheel is behind my F250 Diesel. My half ton will tow it but with white knuckles, towing up mountains also took out the transmission once
I agree with half of your opinion. You don't NEED a diesel. Obviously the diesel will do a better job towing but 5k isn't anything for a 3/4 ton gas truck. Save the money and get the gas truck for anything 10k and less. There are 2 advantages with diesel. "Low end" power and fuel economy, 15.7 mpg at 55mph is honestly awful. Half tons are a compromise between capability and fuel economy. It would be very annoying commuting at 13-17 mpg. You can't even argue resale value, it costs more when you buy it new so of course you'll get more on the backside.
My 2 cents, Up to 5000 lbs , which is a really small travel trailer probably empty, not loaded with water and gear probably under 20 ft, and you are not transversing large hills up and down yeah if you already have one a half ton will probably work out. From 5000 to 10,000 20 to 30 ft a 3/4 ton with gas or Diesel would work well even with a 6 1/2 foot bed. Over 10,000 lbs and 30ft a Diesel with an 8ft bed is recommended. A lot of folks taste in trucks leans on the Douchey side. They like these lame close to useless 5 1/2 foot bed and want to look what they call good running around town. The Larger Fuel Tank, the ability to put 3 or 4 dirt bikes straight in the bed, the stability while towing means little to these people. Thats all fine and dandy if you call that a truck. Go to any Rural small town and you will notice the 4wd trucks gas or Diesel, with 8 wheel lugs are what these folks prefer. IMHO they are the better looking trucks too.
@@erikanderson164 well they don't make any superchargers for these trucks anymore as for the gearvendors you can go to there site gearvendors you could put a turbo on somehow to increase power
Makes complete sense. I did a trip from Vancouver BC to Moab Utah last year towing 8000lbs or more with my Ram 1500 and it was a little scary at times. I just traded it in 3 weeks ago on a 2017 F-350 6.7 and can't wait for this weekend to see how much better it tows.
Also 3/4 and 1 tons have larger frames and brakes. I have a Dodge Dually crew 4x4 with a Cummings 6.7 deleted and I love it , my friends she has a F250 crew 4x4 and it's super nice also hers is dressed out and mine is just a SLT that I use for the ranch. I only joke about other brand trucks. But tell everyone that if they are buying a truck and going to tow several times a year to go ahead and get a 3/4 due to the larger brakes. If any of them had been with me the day I had a blowout on 16' trailer pulled by my F150 4x4 with a loaded with RRoad cross ties, they would get a bigger truck
I disagree with this, My 1990 f250 is a 300 I6/zf-5 combo and it pulls the hell out of my jeep and trailer which weighs 5800ish lbs, I'm actually making a 5 hour trip with it to windrock ORV park this year. And my buddy tows his toyota crawler with a 2008 i think gmc 1500 gas burner. He bought a 2000 f350 with a 7.3 in it cause he figured it would be way better and ended up selling if after only 4 or 5 trips. He said he would rather use his gas burner instead.
Every one is taking about newer diesels matinice is high and fuel mileage is low on these due to the deff system reliability goes down aswell I run an 01 Cummins and get way better mileage out of it than I do my 01 half ton suburban I have owned my dodge Cummins for near 10 years it has proven to be very reliable even in -10 degree weather
I love diesels. I don't love the price tag, maintenance cost, 50 cents more per gal on fuel here in texas (That's the EPAs fault for requiring cleaner diesel), repair bills. My dream truck is a Ram 3500 dually. My 96 7.3 ford is falling apart. The most I tow with my gooseneck is 14.5 k but only short distances under 20 miles so MPG loaded isn't a big concern. I just need to tow it safely. Luckily these days 3/4 and 1 ton gassers tow what the diesels could do about 10 or 15 years ago so I figure if I got by all this time with a 22 year old powerstroke, a new GMC 3500 6.2 gasser should work fine. For the first time in my life I am leaning towards gas. My change in preference is not totally the fault of the manufacturers. Again, thanks EPA and Libtards. They've made diesel too expensive, and added probably 6k to the cost of diesel trucks not even counting DEF fluid. The truth is, the new diesels just aren't as durable with all this emissions crap. I also wish manufacturers would offer more barebones trucks people can afford. Even 46k for a low end gasser seems high to me. They still look awful fancy to me. Looks like I a may have to get a used gasser.
Too funny, but not surprising where the advice is coming from. No doubt a diesel can tow heavier rigs better than a gasser, but 5K# is about half of what our gasser (nearly 3.3K# of payload) has to tow here in the Mountain West region of the country, never an issue getting where we need to go. No white knuckle moments and always able to maintain posted speed limit. Sure there are times getting through some mountain passes that we may get to 5K rpm, for the most part we are about half of that. Yeah, if we ever get a behemoth of an RV (over 15K#) we may ponder getting a diesel, sure hope we never get to that point, just love how simple and cost efficient a gasser is to maintain. Hope you keep enjoying your diesel, I know we will keep enjoying our gasser. Happy Trails.
Thanks for the insight. Replacing my old 150 with a 250. Going to be towing around a 7,000 pound TT. Decided after hearing and listening and watching too the difference of 150 to 250. I'm going and sure ill be happy with the 250. But I don't think I'm going down the diesel road. Think the 6.2 will do me just fine. Will look for more videos from ya.
Considering buying my first 3/4 ton truck to pull our new travel trailer. Pulled it a couple of times with a 1/2 ton SUV and the experience was horrible! Borrowed family members 3/4 diesel and it was night and day difference. Question is I'm looking for an older truck ($15-20K range) and torn between gas 3/4 with averages of 150K-175K miles or a diesel with same mileage. Only plan on using it to tow travel trailer 8-10 times a year in the south, ie no major hills, so is gas then better than diesel?
That's a tough question that's hard for me to answer, as so much would probably depend on the overall condition of the particular truck. Gas engines have definitely improved much in just the last two years, so I would worry that 5+ year old gasser with that high mileage - especially if its been worked hard - won't have the towing performance.
A diesel for 5000lbs??? I used to pull 5000lbs easily and safely with a 2005 Chevy S-10 4.3L V6. No problem. Tacoma, Colorado, and Nissan Frontier are all rated for over 5000lbs. IMO a 1/2ton is perfectly fine for anything up to 8500lbs (properly equip). Especially if its just occasionally pulling a boat or camper. Then u completely forgot about GAS 3/4 and 1 ton's as an option.....
Im selling my 12 250 6.7 for an 18 6.2 350 CC LB. Oh yeah.got 4.3 gear. Huge diff with sweet spot in the low 2k rpm range. The new 6 spd tranny is now very well tuned for towing with this motor and gear ratio. Pop some airbags in it and away we go. Carbon buildup was insane on 6.7. Blew intercooler pipe at 80k miles. Plus maintenance 13 qts oil, def, regens at stupid times, $100 fuel filters ever other oil change, oh and payload sucks unless you get a dually. Mine was litterally 2150 lbs. Omg... New 2018 6.7 max out at 3300 lb payload or so in crew cab long beds. 6.2 is 4k lb payload on the door sticker not in some brochure or on the web. Yes torque is insane on 6.7 but i dont need it every day. Dont tow in mountains. Everything in 600 miles of houston is flat except minor hill country in san antonio or austin. No big deal. Ill miss my powerstroke on the on ramps to freeways but im done fretting about some expensive component failing out of warranty and being over loaded on payload every time I hook up our 5ver. Not gonna drive a dually either
Okay please give me some advise guys. I own a landscape company. I pull 5-7k every single day 7 days a week for 6 straight months. I occasionally pull a 14k dump trailer. I live in West Virginia. Most is in town and some interstate. I currently have a 7.3 powerstroke with a 6 speed manual. I need something more reliable. I keep having maintenance problems. It’s never the engine or trans. It just the normal wear items. Do I upgrade to a 2011-2015 f250 with a 6.7 or 6.2?Or down size to a f 150 Ecoboost. I know when I had my 01 f150 just 5k would throw me all over the dang place when I hit a pot hole. I haven’t had a single issue other then reliability with my current 3/4 ton. So upgrade or down grade? All of your thoughts. Please.
Load your trailer more properly. I have a 2015 2500hd 6.0 gasser that I pull a fully loaded toy hauler with and I prefer it over a diesel any day. Driver preference from there..
I'm going to be pulling a 10,000lb trailer a few thousand miles for 5 days a month (including mountain passes) BUT the other 25 days of the month are lots city short-mileage (5 miles or so) city driving around town, which I know is really bad for diesel engines. I live in Colorado and have pretty mild weather, but it gets chilly (low 30's high 20's) in Dec, Jan & Feb and I don't want to be continually driving in a cold truck. What are everyone's thoughts? What would you sacrifice?
+Jeremey Ellis there's about 99% no difference in the drivability of these trucks compared to their gas engine counterparts. You will not be inconvenienced in any way with those temperatures that you mention nor will you be driving in a cold truck. My truck with the supplemental heater warms up significantly faster than any gas engine vehicle I've ever had. Pulling 10000 pounds for those distances over mountain passes... that's a no-brainer to go diesel, especially at altitude going over mountain passes.
Yup. Diesel is the shit. No argument there. I just wanted to let you know you have a problem with your truck. At 1,500 rpm you should have way more boost pressure. Check your intake for leaks. And fxxk DEF
Sorry man a 5k trailer and you are saying that a 3/4 6.2l isnt good enough for that? Go ahead and spend your money on nonsense if you like. I have had 3 diesel trucks and now a gasser. Yes, you pull a 10k trailer I guess you better get a Peterbilt. I mean it will tow it better right? Hell did you get a dually? It will pull it better also. You get what is needed for the job. If you want a diesel to pull 5k that is one thing. Telling people they have to have to get a 3/4 diesel to be safe pulling a 5k trailer is nuts.
Staci, Im looking at the Arctic Fox TC, weighs in at 5000 pounds. So I'm trying to decide on a gas or a Diesel engine. ill be getting a 350 Dually. Thanks for any input!
LOL 5000 pounds is nothing and in no way worth the expense of a diesel. Maybe if you pulled 10K+ on a daily baises. I work with two guys that pull with two different brands of gas 3/4 trucks. One pulls a fifthwheel and the other pulls a 33 foot toy hauler TT. Both say the same thing. Their trucks have more than enough power to pull what they pull.
A few months ago I watched a 2017 Ford F150 3.5 ecoboost towing a 10,280 pound fifth wheel trailer, that truck can supposedly tow more. but the truth felt pity for that truck on a slope 6% I was waiting for the moment when a piston fly .... you want to tow 10k or more you need a diesel engine.
Lol I have a diesel one ton….empty I get 17-19mpg …loaded 4-7k I get 12-14mpg my brother-in-laws 454 suburban gets 12mpg empty….his mountaineer gets 15mpg empty….my Jeep yj 4cyl empty gets 12-15mpg….my wife’s Subaru h6 outback gets 18-19mpg…..getting the point? Calculate getting 10mpg vs 17mpg over 100,000 miles the diesel pays for itself and gets waaaay higher resale value…. Now imagine getting a 15 year old 6.0 powerstroke with 82,000 miles on the clock for 15k then putting 5k worth of parts to make it better then doing the work yourself you now have a truck that can pull anything and is paid off….. But that new 7.3 Godzilla is looking like a real option for those unable to turn wrenches because having things like oil coolers..oil squirters is why diesels can live with a 10k trailer it’s entire life and still get 200-500k without an overhaul….ford is top dog right now with their entire line up
I am in the market for a new used truck,I will be towing 7,000 lies max.But also hauling heavy sometime.I will be towing a 7x14 utility trailer once a week to once a month.It varies. Now for around 30k I can get a 3/4 with less than 30k miles vs A diesel with 80-100k miles for the same price. I plan I holding onto the truck 5-10 years easily. What do you recommend?
Given your two options at that price point I might actually lean towards the gas option. If you are Towing in a relatively flat area and you are not at elevation, and you are not constantly in stop-and-go traffic, a 7000 pound utility trailer probably isn't too bad because they are pretty aerodynamic. But if you are at elevation or Are Climbing steep grades or even in stop-and-go traffic, the gas engine will have to work significantly harder than the diesel engine would, and therefore put much more wear and tear on it.
Cast iron blocks have been around for a long time, they're tried, true and reliable. That is what my 6.2 gas burner is made of Before spending $10000.00 up front, not to mention the added cost of maintaining and babying a diesel engine. I mean why buy something that needs to be "bullet proofed" Time will tell on a 6.7 diesel engine who's block is made of the relatively "new" material CGI, Compacted Graphite Iron........
+John Perdue Interesting argument. I never would have thought about the block being a reason to prefer the Ford gas engine over the 6.7 diesel. I guess I'm not aware of any widespread issues with the block across the hundreds of thousands that are in use. I guess I would also glady trade substantially better performance and fuel economy for a lower risk of block failure, especially when that risk is effectively a non-risk in everyday use.
2016 F350 6.7 As I said, only time can prove the longevity and reliability of anything. Maybe the main reason the 7.3 is so highly sought after is because of the cast iron head and block foundation...... From the 300 inline 6 gas burner or the 7.3 diesel, one has to wonder why discontinue / replace something with a great tract record with a 150k mile throw away engine? By the way have you had your DPF serviced yet? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Power_Stroke_engine
"By the way", have you heard of many folks with hundreds of thousands of miles on their 6.7 diesels? How much time do YOU need to prove reliability? They've been in use for almost 7 years now. I'd say it's a non-issue myself. Furthermore, why discontinue the 7.3? Well, power and emissions. I read that it'd take over 90 modern 6.7's to equal one 7.3 liter diesels as far as harmful emissions output. I realize many get rid of the emissions equipment on the new trucks, but it's a small percentage of the total in use. There's no denying the modern diesels are far and away more efficient than the old International 7.3. Yes, it is a great motor but given the power per cubic inch, there really is no contest. There are many valid arguments for choosing a gas over a diesel, but your arguments are weak.
I'm sorry, but I have to both agree and disagree with this. Yes, the diesel will tow better. Yes, it will be more comfortable to drive when towing. But saying if you tow anything you have to buy a diesel is just wrong. 8-10K more in cost for the engine, combined with much bigger maintenance costs, as well as adding all new exhaust systems for DEF, the investment is just not worth the return unless you are going to be towing a lot. Also, for those of us who live in colder climates, I'd hate to have to plug in my truck every night. If you are 90% of the miles using it as a daily driver, it is hard on a diesel because it needs to work. I would say anything over 10,000lb towing I would go for the diesel, less than that for the occasional summer tow, a 3/4 ton gasser is just fine. But come on, a 5,000lb trailer? A half-ton Ecoboost would eat that up.
+Nicea Trya Of course a gas engine and even a half-ton truck can pull 5000. My point is that if you're buying new truck, do yourself the favor and get a diesel. You could get a moderately featured diesel truck for possibly less than a fully featured half ton. But anyway, a couple responses to your points. First, so far my cost of ownership is less than compared to my previous gas truck. An oil change is a bit more expensive, but about half as often. The DEF fluid is basically meaningless: once every 7000 miles I need to go to a truck stop and put in 3-4 gallons of it right at the pump. My mileage is significantly better too. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if so far my cost of ownership is actually less. Second, you don't need to plug modern diesel engines in unless it is really cold (around zero). My manual says to plug in at -9f. I choose to plug it in because the cab heats up faster. Third, it is also not true that modern diesel engines need to be "worked"; the engine will come up to operating temperature faster, but not "working" it doesn't harm it.
2016 F350 6.7 how long have you had your 6.7 has it gave you any issues cause I'm looking at buying a truck in less than a year I plan to use it for Construction I will commute around 100 miles a day mostly highway but I'm going for older Series cause the newer ones are out of my budget I have seen 2012 with 90k miles in my price range
+HERPY DERPEDY I have only 13000 miles on it, but no issues at all big or small. Buying used is always a risk, but I doubt you would have any major issues. Good luck!
Nicea Trya I would have to agree with you. I have a 28 foot Travel Trailer rated at 6,000 lbs Andi tow it with my 2008 GMC Yukon Denali 6.2 Liter gas engine. it is not the XL but the shorter wheel base model and this truck tows as if nothing is behind me. we only camp a half of dozen times during the summer so I think my 1/2 ton is doing just fine.
what this guy doesn't understand is everybody can't afford diesel diesel is very expensive especially when it comes to maintenance and I have a 7.3 it's no joke I can only imagine how the maintenance would be on the new one. if you going to be pulling lightweight 5000 lb 7 8000 lb I say any half ton will pull that hell even the older half tons will pull it it may not be as fast but it would do it
I don’t know about anybody else I can only comment on my own experience. I own,Drive and tow with a 2007 Dodge ram 1500 with a 5.7 hemi with 5.92rear gears quad cab 2 Wheel drive with 177,000 miles on my trailer is 28 for 6700 pounds dry weight for capacity is 9300 pounds but I never pull at full capacity and only about 7200 pounds so I pulled on my truck is rated at around 8600to 8800 pounds and sits on the highway around 1800 to 2200 rpms and maybe 2800 to 3000 up hill and it does the job just fine. Now saying that would I benefit from a diesel 20 500-3500 or even a Dooley absolutely but this is the truck I have an award for now my next truck will be an F350 Dooley I also want upgrade my trailer to a 35 foot hitch trailer. To say that anything over 5000 pounds is no good for half ton truck is ridiculous most full size half ton trucks will easily pull a 5000 pounds without breaking a sweat.
I routinely tow between 7000 & 8500 lbs with my 1/2 ton silverado. I did this with my previous silverado also. I have towed the same trailer with a diesel silverado and the difference was mimal. Yes, I've got to step on my gasser a bit harder, but maintenance costs and initial cost to purchase new were and are far cheaper with the gas mill. My 08 had 185,000 miles on it when I traded it in snd I had no motor, trans or differential issues when I traded it in. My 2013 has 120 k on it and again, no motor, trans or diff issues. At this point I can trade in on a new truck and only have to come up with about $22k out of pocket for another gasser instead of $45k out of pocket for a diesel 3/4 ton. Do the math.
This truck would be 100 percent overkill for anybody pulling anything other than the largest 5th wheel travel trailers. If a guy has the Coin and wants to pull a 5,000 pound trailer though why not I guess lol.
I mean that is just fundamentally not true. I pull a 32 ft travel trailer that when all loaded up is just at 9000 lbs. This truck pulls the trailer very well, and night-and-day better than my previous Ram 2500 gas (Hemi). BUT...it still "works" to pull it, and there is no doubt the trailer is back there. To say that this truck is overkill for pulling my trailer is laughable.
2016 F350 6.7 read above post again. If a guy has the money to buy a truck that in certain configurations is capable of towing 15,000+ pounds to pull an average size tt, them by all means go ahead lol.
I laugh at the people commenting. It sounds like the people driving the gas super duty are the only ones who care about the sticker price, the DEF and maintenance cost of a diesel truck. I know what it costs to drive a gas Triton V-10 and I know what I paid for my super duty and what it costs to drive my 6.7L V-8 Turbo diesel. I won't tell you what to buy because I don't know YOUR needs or where you live. Example: A person living in Florida or Texas will have different driving conditions than someone driving in Wyoming or Colorado. That might just be why there are different models of trucks in the first place. :)
+Shad Meyer yeah the modern 150s are great trucks and have pretty incredible ratings. But the difference in the driving experience while towing or hauling loads even with those trucks, when compared to an actual three quarter or 1-ton truck, is also also pretty incredible
Shad Meyer what people don't understand is the twin turbo 3.5 ecoboost has 90% torque at 1900 RPMs 420ft lb full torque at 2500 RPMs 470 ft lbs so it doesn't have to be pushed and the twin turbos breath well in the hills. Check out tfl truck f150 on you tube .
Geez I hate when people new to towing see stuff like this. Nothing at all wrong with a diesel power plant but no, they aren’t for every situation. I’mfloored by the new diesel owner who thinks his truck has the ability of a Kenworth tractor lol. Pay attention too your payload/axel capacities. That’s where you will run into images such as the one show at the beginning of this video. Makes no difference if your powered by a space shuttle engine if you don’t have the axle, gear, brakes for it.
Anything over 5000lbs is too much for a 1/2 ton lmao!? My 2015 1500 5.3 could/would spin the tires from the stop lights pulling 7-8000lbs worth of car hauler loaded with a trailblazer sized SUV’s and then on the highway doing 75+(not the most responsible I get it but time is money lol) and return 14-16mpg through the Midwest... modern half ton trucks are more than capable of handling 5000lbs of daily towing duty dude.
I bought a 26' travel trailer weighs 6000lbs empty about 6700lbs loaded. Spent one season towing it with a 2004 Ram 1500 5.7 with 3.55 gears and that was enough. I bought a used 2011 F350 6.7 the day after thanksgiving. Towed the camper a few times and could not be happier. Do I need that big of pickup? No. But holy crap it's SO much more enjoyable. Headed to Yellowstone in 3 weeks!
We just bought a 2017 F350 Diesel XLT for under what a Platinum ecoboost cost and get 25 mpg with a tonneau cover and 23 without it on. We'll be full timing by this time next year and are already seeing benefits from the diesel vs. gas. Love the feeling of having a safer vehicle and less Mx issues. The newer 2017 diesels regen automatically so the dpf system is more user friendly. Has 925 ft lbs of torque and has more basic amenities than trucks of ten years ago. I researched this more than 1 1/2 yrs ago and knew 2017 was what we wanted, so we waited for it and found the way to do it! We "prebudgeted" for it, so it is do-able on a meager USAF retirement (Enlisted & Proud of it)!
You are simply wrong to make such blanket statements. I pull an 8,000+ 31' travel trailer with an 08 Tundra crewmax. Our long trips 1000+ miles all include significant grades (I live in the NW) and have all been done traveling with multiple 3/4 ton diesels. (2010-2012). I was able to pull all the grades at or above speed limit (granted, pushing the truck hard). I was also perfectly comfortable descending the other side of those grades. Admittedly, I get terrible gas mileage and have a small tank, but we often had to stop for a bathroom break or food or whatever for the kids before I was on empty. I also traveled in high winds with 50+ mph gusts and felt secure and in control, thanks to a good hitch and proper distribution on weight on the tongue etc. I have NEVER, get that right, NEVER had an incident where I felt the vehicle was out of control or the trailer was pushing the truck around. The last trip, on a windy mountain road near Mt. Hood, I had a clueless driver in from of me in a Subaru miss his turn and do an absolute panic stop locking his breaks. I was probably following a little close and had to mash my brake pedal all the way to the floor. My truck and trailer stopped in a perfectly straight line with just a whisper from the anti-lock. I honestly could not believe how fast the truck and trailer stopped and I was waiting for the thud of the truck behind us rear ending us. (They didn't!) I will quote you: "you don't have to be watching your engine RPM running at 5-6000 RPM for the entire duration of your trip..." Go back and listen to yourself, that's ridiculous, the entire duration of your trip? I totally see recommending the bigger truck, that's your opinion, but the blanket statements are a little crazy.
I don't understand why you would make a video when you don't "know how to explain" why it is better to purchase a diesel truck for towing.... I'll share some information with everyone who's interested, to shed some light on the WHY; If you are not TOWING, you don't "need" a diesel TRUCK. The 3/4 and 1 ton trucks are HEAVIER. If you have a larger mass towing any given trailer vs a LIGHTER mass vehicle towing the same trailer... the heavier mass will control the load better and you will FEEL it less, ESPECIALLY if the trailer has brakes. Trailers without brakes will apply more force on the tow vehicle while slowing and again, the heavier vehicle will control the load better. The MAIN concern with heavy loads is STOPPING ability which generally causes the most problems and accidents while towing. You can accelerate as quickly or slowly as you like/the vehicle is capable of, in a very controlled way. What you have LESS CONTROL over is other drivers cutting you off, getting in front of you (and slowing down much faster than you can) and maneuverability while trying to slow down in more situations than I have time to explain. DIESEL engines also CAN have exhaust brakes which greatly help slowing you down, which gas engines do not have. Another SIGNIFICANT factor of diesel vs gas engines is that a diesel engine (if maintained equally) will last MUCH longer. Diesel engines are also built to be VERY durable due to the loads and forces they will be exposed to. Diesel engines cost significantly more because they are far better engineered and ridiculously solidly built to deal with the immense forces that will be placed on them including. Another reason diesel engines last longer is because of the differences in FUEL. Diesel fuel is a dense fuel with larger molecules than gasoline. Gasoline is also a SOLVENT, which break down OILS (which your engine NEEDS to lubricate metal parts that "wear" through pressure and friction). Gas engines "wear" much faster because it does not keep the engine (cylinders, piston rings, etc) lubricated nearly as well as a diesel. Diesel fuel has a higher viscosity and bears thermal loads more consistently than gas and is very much like a lubricant, which keeps engine wear extremely minimal. Diesel fuel also has a MUCH HIGHER flash point and burns slower than gas (and actually in waves from outside to in of the plume). Diesel engines run at MUCH LOWER RPM than gas engines (roughly 1/3 as much as gas engines at equal acceleration). Diesel: Less RPM with superior lubrication vs Gas: high RPM with constantly diminishing lubrication = much quicker "wear" on the gas engine. The heavier the load, the more detrimental these forces become. There is a reason that Semi Trucks ALL use diesel engines. They all often carry massive loads and a gas engine would simply fail extremely quickly on this far end of the forces spectrum. COST is another significant factor in the diesel vs gas engine civilian TRUCK arena. The same truck will cost more with a diesel engine than a gas one (BUT, not twice as much, which is significant long term). However, the diesel engine will last AT LEAST twice as long as the gas engine if both are maintained equally... so you're actually not SPENDING as much in the LONG RUN purchasing the diesel engine truck. I often see diesel engines surpassing 500,000 miles still in quality running condition and rarely even hear of a gas engine completing the same. Diesel engines produce significantly more TORQUE than gas engines. This is VERY helpful for acceleration from a stop and again, the diesel trucks (engine, suspension, transmission, drive line/s, etc) are built FAR STRONGER than their gas counterparts to easily deal with these great forces, thus will last longer. A common misconception is that diesel trucks cost MORE to maintain and/or repair. This is incorrect. Diesel mechanics actually just CHARGE MORE than they would for a gas truck counterpart. The entire diesel system is actually LESS COMPLICATED and EASIER to work on for a mechanic of equal skill. Because diesel trucks COST more on average than a gas counterpart, they "assume" the diesel driver will be "willing" and/or "expect" to spend MORE for their maintenance and/or repair, so they just charge more. It's worth noting that equal skill and equal NUMBERS of mechanics in each field are NOT the same. There are far less diesel mechanics which allow them to charge more, even though the "work" is actually easier. It is INCREDIBLY efficient and cost effective to LEARN how to work on your own gas OR diesel truck.... you will save a ridiculous amount of money over the life of the vehicle. It's not rocket science... if one monkey can do it, SO CAN YOU... EASILY. Do you think "mechanics" are considered by others to be 'highly intelligent people"? LOL not by a long shot. ANYONE can be a mechanic. It truly surprises me that more people don't work on their own vehicles. For most maintenance and repairs, you could LEARN and COMPLETE a job faster than it would take you to make your appointment, take the vehicle to the mechanic, wait for them to complete the work and then retrieve the vehicle (this is assuming you have your own tools and equipment because you work on your own vehicles. It will take time and funds to work up to this point, but WELL worth it)! A final note on cost: Because diesel engine trucks will last FAR longer than their gas counterpart, you can purchase a USED diesel truck that will OUTLAST a brand new gas truck purchased at the same time assuming the used diesel was maintained. I purchased a 2018 RAM 2500 recently for $27,000 cash. This truck (with it's dealer upgrades) was priced at $65,000 in 2018 when NEW. So you CAN purchase a quality diesel for a fraction of the cost of a new diesel if you're smart about it and the value in the long run is INCREDIBLE. Purchasing a USED gas truck for towing will be a disaster GUARANTEED. Fuel economy should never be a deciding factor as it is GREALY bias. Fuel economy should be calculated as a COST and NOT savings. If you know OR learn anything about engine mechanics (HOW engines function... not the dude who works on them) you will quickly understand that the engines in the USA are SPECIFICALLY DUMBED DOWN to be terribly inefficient by EPA "regulations"... go figure. This forces drivers to use LOTS of fuel... which in turn is TAXED... which in turn produces over HALF of our countries entire tax revenue annually! Humans have had the technology for DECADES to EASILY produce a large towing vehicle... or ANY vehicle for non commercial use that could achieve 100 MILES PER GALLON. This is also the reason why electric vehicle growth and production have been seriously suppressed for DECADES. Also, as robust as diesel engines are and have been for many decades, they could still be GREATLY enhanced to be absolutely incredible engines. There is not a single production diesel engine in the world that has MORE than one injector per cylinder. If you learn how diesel engines FIRE and burn their fuel, you would understand the incredible benefits of more injectors per cylinder and the significant results it would produce with tuning. Anyhow... this was long but hopefully worth reading. There is so much more information, but it would be book length. BOTTOM LINE: diesel engine trucks of equal size to their gas counterparts are SUPIERIOR in regard to towing and exponentially better as all of the discussed forces increase. If you only tow ONCE IN A WHILE (once per month or less) and the load is under 5K lbs (using a modern gas truck 05'-20'), you could argue that a gas truck (in the long run) would COST less in total. You would be spending less on fuel due to better fuel efficiency, less cost for the vehicle and less cost for maintenance (if you don't do your own work and maintenance). However, if you DO tow often and tow heavier loads, do not make the mistake of purchasing a GAS truck. The differences are so significant that it really isn't an equal or fair comparison between diesel and gas trucks for TOWING. If you require validation, I have a Master Mechanics knowledge and understanding of both diesel and gas engines AND their applications not only in trucks but a wide range of their uses.... From generators, heavy equipment, marine and industrial uses to name some. There are two engineers in my family and the three of us often discuss all of the above and much more on a technical engineering level AND how the various systems can improve. I have towed with everything from 4 cylinder pickups to 1 ton trucks in both diesel and gas. I also discuss much of this information with Semi drivers I personally know that carry loads up to 80,000 lbs! (GVW) on the national highway system. One thing is for certain. The more time you spend LEARNING about diesel and gas engines... the more greatly they become separated in terms of application, reliability and cost effectiveness. To understand just how superior diesel engines are to gas engines, understand this: Diesel engines are used all over the world in trucks, boats, trains, barges, ships, etc. to transport pretty much every product produced globally. Diesel engines are also used on nearly every farm and construction project around the world AND there is NO SUBSTITUTE in most of these applications. Enjoy your diesel truck =]
Sorry, but I cannot agree with you. You just can't paint every trailer with the same brush as to say. Yes, it is good to have more truck than needed but do you go out and buy Peterbilt to pull a travel trailer? Of course not! There are a lot of variables. First is weight. 5000lbs, save your money, buy a half ton. When going into bigger weights7000 and 8000lbs, you definitely need weight distribution systems. This is where I draw the line on 3/4 ton trucks. After 8000lbs you also need more stopping power and the extra weight of the truck keeps you a little more planted on the road. Now, let's talk about diesels. I pull a 29' 5th wheel 8500lbs dry with a '15 F250 6.2 Gas. It hauls it easily and yes, uphill too! Now is my gas mileage as good, no. But I won't spend $9000 extra in fuel that it would cost for the Diesel plus maintenance. Diesels are made to work hard every day, not just every other weekend or the one trip every summer and they don't like the cold. So, to say they do the job better than a gas engine, yes but, to say that if you are pulling anything over 5000lbs, sorry! I hauled a Contour on a car hauler trailer with a combined weight of 5300lbs. I had to look back from time to time to see if it was still behind us. If you are hauling 10 000lbs and more on a regular basis, by all means, get a Diesel. If not, there is an expression that comes to mind, "Overkill". Just My 2 Cents
u make no sense a gas 2500 or 250 will do just fine and most people won't spend the extra money for a deisel when they can get a gas truck that can do the job just as well and way cheaper to fix when it brakes
James spencer i agree. the only way i can see spending the extra money on a diesel is if i towed things for a living. like if i moved cars cross comtry or somethung like that
I guess it depends on application but ive seen old guys do the same thing every year, towing 30k pounds of hay with an old 1970's gas'er of choice. Slow and steady. Ofcourse, with the United States driving record as a whole, I wouldn't want to see the average person doing this.
A gasser will never tow as well as a diesel no matter what mods you may have done to the gasser. What he says is true, a diesel truck will always tow better than a gasser and if you are towing frequently you may want to consider the diesel...
He does make perfect sense! You're talking about a difference of 400ft pounds of torqe vs 800ft pounds of torqe!! That's like comparing a 200ft pound torge (Honda car) engine with a 400ft pound torqe engine (F250 gas)! lol! Ive had both and I can tell you that a diesel is a HUGE improvement!!!!!!!!
When I bought my truck is was for. Between the 5.7 hemi or the 5.9 Cummins and I do t regret getting the Hemi. Yes my fuel economy isn't the same as a diesel but for my 10 minute commute to and from work and the 8,000lbs trailer i tow 3 or 4 times a week I made the correct decision. I towed that trailer with a 6.7 powerstroke and it did not better than my hemi did. I have gone across the scales towing just over 15,000lbs and yes I knew it was there but the truck did it and I felt like I was in control. My friends truck with a 6.0 powerstroke towed that same trailer and did just as bad on fuel as my hemi. I can't justify a diesel and most people can't
Guys, if any my friends had decided to go for a 3/4 or 1 ton, I would suggest them to upgrade to a diesel. Why, here is my calcs: I am in canada, diesel here is 10-15% cheaper than gas most time of a year, my 6.7 power stroke takes 15L/100km combined, about 25-30% less than 6.2 gas (~20L/100km), it comes out I can have $6-7 cost saving on fuel/100km. Say, you but a truck new and sell it @150000km, the save on fuel evens out the cost of upgrade to diesels. AND you can sell a used diesel MUCH more than a used gas; AND you enjoy much better driving experience diesel gives to you: torque, smooth towing, less fuel consumption when towing, sexy engine sound( I like it so much)...number talks! again, I speak of only in Canada. By the way, I tow a 7000# travel trailer, my power stroke drinks as much as 20.5L/100km when towing.
We had a dodge 1500 being ford fans it was a mistake we have a 32 foot camper it weighs around 8,800-9,000 we take bikes wood to burn and all that the dodge litlarly drug it's ass we got a 2016 f250 4 door long bed with the 6.7 it dose way better like so munch difference
This is BS I have owned 2 rams 1500s with hemis and they towed great! I now own a 2020 3/4 ton 6.7 liter turbo Cummins brand new and has over 19k tow capable. And its not necessary or significantly dramatically or better i can't stand guys who all of sudden get a diesel and then put out this kind of garbage videos to justify their overpriced truck. And yes they are pricey I spent 80k on my new ram. 1500s gasses are great trucks of you match it up to the right rig end of story! Oh yeah I do use stabilizers anti sway and bags and I loved my 1500s.
Amen. Most folks just spew out words they heard from someone that seemed to make sense to them at the time. Not based on any facts or personal experience. So tiresome. henderson63, Let me try that: "Just wait until Jiffy Lube (assuming you use them after your comment) fills your gas truck engine with wiper fluid instead of oil. That will cost $12k to fix your truck. I'll stick to diesels, oh, and the real world. lol
The picture of a truck and trailer on their sides would indicate you intend to give evidence that a gas truck was the cause. Then you ramble for 5 + plus minutes and never mention the accident. Very dishonest.
STAY AWAY FROM MODERN DIESELS UNLESS YOU PLAN ON DELETING THE EMISSIONS GARBAGE FROM THEM. IF YOU DON'T, MAN ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE ONE HECK OF A HEADACHE DEALING WITH THEM. Seriously newer diesels are a pile of garbage anymore. Buy an older diesel and mod it to make the power a newer diesel does... that's all you have to do.... easy no? Not that you really need to... they already make plenty of power for the average user, just saying.
rsg1963 You obviously have never driven a 6.7, been around one or have ever read articles about the emissions equipment on them always messing up. Get outta here with your non sense rambling hate on the facts I'm stateing.
Ray Dornbush that’s no longer a problem with the new ‘17s. Besides many states will not allow deleting. It’s a BIG fine if caught. Also you can’t pass inspection.
I pull a 5000 lb travel trailer with a 2015 HD 2500 Silverado. It has the 6.0 Vortec gas engine. I'd ten times rather have a 1/2 ton truck.... let me follow up with this. I have a class A CDL with doubles tripples & tankers and HazMatt. Towing heavy loads in adverse conditions is something I know about & have done many times.
A 5k trailer & a good 1/2 ton truck. No issues whatsoever.
Certainly respect your experience and opinion. Thanks for sharing!
I went from a 2017 f150 3.5 eco boost to 2012 f250 6.2 gas now I have a f250 7.3 disel buy far the disel pull the best and has better Fuel economy towing and not towing. But the 6.2 F250 is a great truck to two with as well but Fuel economy towing and regular driving it’s not that good. So you may spend more money all repairs on a diesel but with a good running diesel it’s worth it. You’ll spend that amount of money in just fuel on the 6.2 gas in just Fuel. The f150 3.5 eco boost is a great truck It can pull loads but just not as safe as a three-quarter ton or 1 ton it can be a rocky experience with a Half ton.
What about the overbuilt Toyota Tundra with 3/4 Specifications, excluding the payload. But technically if it has a payload of 1640 lbs then it's a 3/4 ton haha. Would you tow a 5300 dry and 6500 lb loaded 26' dual axle travel trailer for over 1200 miles continuously say 4x a year. My Tundra is a 2008 5.7L SR5 crewmax 2we. Also I'll be hauling family, and dogs over 700lbs in cab + 400 lbs of payload camping stuff, and a 750 lb tongue weight.
Ask yourself this AFTER researching it: Which power plant (Diesel or Gas) with TODAYs technology would most likely get you to 250k miles without a major repair bill? If you said Diesel you are wrong! Unless your trailer stays behind your truck ALL the time you will almost always come out better with a gasser nowadays. You will never recoup your fuel, maintenance is considerably higher and the chance of major expense is much higher. Less than 10k you are better off with a gasser....
3/4 ton gas will pull travel trailer just as well. All the extra $$$ for diesel is absolutely not necessary in most cases
The newer F-150 ecoboost can comfortably tow 9000 pounds. It’s rated for 13300. Shit I’ve seen em pull 14000 up 6% grade. If you set up the hitch and trailer right you’ll be fine with a half ton. Not paying near 20k more
I agree, got a 2014 F250 diesel to pull my 27 foot travel trailer that weighs over 7,000 lbs loaded. After towing it from CA to TN I am very happy I got my diesel, especially after my experience over the Teton pass!
Got my F250 Gas 6.2 and towed from east coast to California and back--- hit many mountains, maybe even the Teton pass , and had nothing but memorable expericences without the memories of $9000.00 extra up front cost, cost of expensive oil changes and up-keep. To think of it the F250 gasser was new then and now 5 years and 159,000 Km later I have only put $600.00 in it, besides oil changes, for a new manifold. Just can't beat that record. (Oh ya I also put 4 new tires on it)
William Buster good 4 U Rch boy
I pulled 5k lbs 5500 miles with a 3/4 ton ram gas truck. I never pushed the truck to it's maximum capability. I even drove up this fucked up winding road to big bear lake in southern California. It did great. If you don't mind the engine revving like a crotch rocket it's not too bad.
It’s great that you like your truck. I’ve been towing 7000 to 8000-lb fifth wheels with half tons - that’s right! Fifth wheels! - for 17 years. No sway. No white knuckles. The RPMs are never at 5 or 6 thousand for the entire trip (?).
Actually the only stress I experience on trips has been from guys telling me I can’t tow with a half-ton and I need a 3/4 or 1-ton truck .
my dodge 2500 v10 will tow anything, and is rated at 13.000
People are telling you that because more then likely you’re over payload. Most 1/2 tons just don’t have the payload to accommodate the pin weight and what ever else you have in the TV.
Look at Wandering Wagners on youtube. They, as many people, got sick of emissions issues, and traded their diesel for a gas 3/4 ton. They pull a 30 foot trailer all over the country with less total cost and issues. Modern gas engines work very well. Unless you are pulling heavy loads most of the time, you don’t need diesel.
The problem with 1/2 tons isn't that most can tow 8k+ ,it's the payload that most people go over on without realizing it.
my 98 dodge ram 2500 8.0 V10 has a higher tow rating than any other 2500 dodge,even the diesel. and has almost 500 pounds of torque......just below the diesel, and tow rating of 13.000 lbs
Ill agree the diesel will tow alittle better, but my repairs are 1/4 the costs.
I did the 4% grade on hwy 75 just outside of knoxville TN.....and never down shifted one time with od off at 2800 rpm (4 speed + od auto ). Shes a beast, old school, and id never trade for a diesel of the same year.
I did try the same trip with half the weight in my 360 1500....and it felt like i was beating the engine like a rented mule the entire trip.
Down side of the V10......8 mpg towing.......up side......14 empty on the way home at $2.25 a gal.
So all newer trucks, i agree with you 100%. They dont make a gas engine worth its weight any more
Midsized and 1/2 tons are geat for towing occasionally. 3k# mowing trailer all the time def beat breaks, tires and the transmission of my 07 Ranger. It did geat hauling it but hills and headwinds made it run at high RPMs. I remember climbing a hill at 5,500 to 6,000 RPM to hit the peak hp and 2800 for beginning of peak torque. Truck got 8 to 12 mpg towing that trailer full and 14 mpg towing it light w/ ramp gate flat down on deck on flat ground.
My F150 hauled weight better and got about 14mpg with its 302 Windsor. But tires still took beating.
My 86 K20 8,600 GVWR gets 13-15 MPG with load in truck, 7 with plow on, and 10+ towing. But I now have 10 ply tires, bigger & thicker brakes, 6,000# rear axle rating. 3,000# in bed will make it sit level and it won't even notice my lil trailer.
If towing ANYTHING every day, hundreds of miles per week buy class 2 truck.
I pull 5k with my 97 Subaru out back 😂 no but in all seriousness 5000 wouldn’t stress anything on my f150 EcoBoost. Anything over 9k though i will step up
Same with my Ecoboost. The trouble is big wind with a long travel trailer. Ecoboost pulls it through mountains no sweat, but wish the truck was beefier in the monster wind gusts
I don’t agree. I have a 6 litre gas chev 1 ton and a dodge Cummins diesel. I don’t know what they have done to the diesel but my Chevy will outpull the diesel any day of the week
3.5eco pulls 5k or 7k like it’s not even there. Have duramax and powerstrokes at work I’d say they pull 5k about the same as my f150. I’d get an 3/4 ton or one ton if I was pulling 8-9k lbs more then a few times a month.
Obviously you don’t feel the weight as much in the diesels but acceleration and braking feels about the same
Why not get a 3/4 or 1 ton truck with a gas engine though?
I tow my 13000lb RV with my F350 V10 with a tuner and shift controller. It tows about the same as my 7.3L diesel did but burns about twice the fuel doing it. I get 7-9 mpg loaded.
2006 dodge quad cab oilburner 30 foot steel deck gooseneck 12,000 pound International single axle semi loaded on and 16mpg on I75 between the nuc power plant in alabama and nashville tn... Try that with your gas burner
I have 2015 f250 6.2 gas. I pull a 6200lb travel trailer just fine. I can do the 70 plus but keep to the limit plus or minus a few mph. Towing isn't about how fast you can pull something. It's about doing it safely. A half ton doesn't have the suspension capacity for most campers. I went that route. I had a Gmc Sierra 1/2 ton. I did my research. It had a 6500lb towing cap. I bought a 4500lb travel trailer. It struggled to pull it. I couldn't drive on the interstate. It wouldn't break 65. I traded for a 2015 f250. I haven't been happier. For what i pull and where i drive the gasser does just fine.
I pull with a diesel truck it is more costly I just like it because haveing excessive truck is more relaxing to pull with
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I get it. I have had a 2500 gas now I have a 2500 diesel . Everything runs smoother. The rig is more responsive and I feel the power difference. I will never go back to gas.
I have a 2011 F250 6.7 diesel and a 2016 F250 6.2 gas. Identical trucks in every way including paint and interior colors, both crew cab 4X4 short beds, 3.73 gears. The 6.2 gasser has been way less money to buy and own and I am pretty happy with it towing up to about 10,000lbs. Up above that she is working too hard and the mileage goes in the crapper so I switch to the 6.7. I do my own oil changes, the 6.7 for oil and filter is almost $100.00 the 6.2 is $38.00. Empty the gas motor gets an average of 13mpg the diesel 16mpg but diesel cost 20 cents more per gallon around here. So in 100 miles the gas cost me $17.63 in fuel and the diesel costs $15.56 but then you also have to add in DEF so they come out about even on fuel cost. I have 150K miles on the diesel and 30,000 on the gas and both have been great trucks so far. I would not hesitate recommending the 6.2 gas for anyone keeping loads under 10,000lbs and its starting to prove to be a very reliable and long lasting engine out there in the oil fields, mining operations and big commercial fleets.
Florida Saltwater Life thanks for your insight. I'm currently looking at buying a 6.2 or a 6.7. I like the 40k price of the 2017 6.2 for my 9k max payload TT.
Great explanation and insight.
Totally agree, I have had the same results, my travel Trailer is 8000 lbs and my F250 with the v10 handles it easily, even in the mountains. Much lower cost of ownership. Sold my diesel to buy the gasser.
If u would have got 4.30 gears the 6.2 would pull better
Florida Saltwater Life couldn't agree more.
These are the things you tell yourself after spending a ton of money on a diesel you've convinced yourself you need to pull 5000 pounds.
+Gary Briggs Ha ha. In my case at least they are the things I'm trying to tell others after going through two other trucks and not being satisfied with their towing performance.
Eventually everyone that tows regularly moves up to a 3/4 ton or higher. Gas vs Diesel is just preference. I towed 12K pounds with an ecoboost for two years. I wore out the truck completely and almost died a couple of times. With the 3/4 ton I can relax while I'm driving and the truck is happy.
Chris Eaton But.. I thought the Ecoboost would tow 12,000lbs no problem.....?? Lol
It will pull it down the road for sure....
@@blackburd how was reliability of engine towing? Id never pull 6 tons with a F150. I pull 3,000# trailer all summer for mowing. I have an HD truck for big jobs...
Totally agree my duramax makes towing so much smoother then my Ram 1500 Hemi. Trans temps are way lower fuel efficiency is higher engine temps are lower.
Duramax diesel!
I keep forgetting my 6500 lbs fifth wheel is behind my F250 Diesel. My half ton will tow it but with white knuckles, towing up mountains also took out the transmission once
I agree with half of your opinion. You don't NEED a diesel. Obviously the diesel will do a better job towing but 5k isn't anything for a 3/4 ton gas truck. Save the money and get the gas truck for anything 10k and less. There are 2 advantages with diesel. "Low end" power and fuel economy, 15.7 mpg at 55mph is honestly awful. Half tons are a compromise between capability and fuel economy. It would be very annoying commuting at 13-17 mpg. You can't even argue resale value, it costs more when you buy it new so of course you'll get more on the backside.
need to push the plus button on your shifter if you want the gears to reappear
My 2 cents, Up to 5000 lbs , which is a really small travel trailer probably empty, not loaded with water and gear probably under 20 ft, and you are not transversing large hills up and down yeah if you already have one a half ton will probably work out. From 5000 to 10,000 20 to 30 ft a 3/4 ton with gas or Diesel would work well even with a 6 1/2 foot bed. Over 10,000 lbs and 30ft a Diesel with an 8ft bed is recommended.
A lot of folks taste in trucks leans on the Douchey side. They like these lame close to useless 5 1/2 foot bed and want to look what they call good running around town.
The Larger Fuel Tank, the ability to put 3 or 4 dirt bikes straight in the bed, the stability while towing means little to these people. Thats all fine and dandy if you call that a truck.
Go to any Rural small town and you will notice the 4wd trucks gas or Diesel, with 8 wheel lugs are what these folks prefer. IMHO they are the better looking trucks too.
I have a 1999 Ford F-350 V10 supercharged gearvendors underoverdrive with 4.88 gears it pulls like a mother and with the overdrive I get 16mpg
do you have links to all the parts you've gotten, I'd like to supercharge my f350 v10 dually
@@erikanderson164 well they don't make any superchargers for these trucks anymore as for the gearvendors you can go to there site gearvendors you could put a turbo on somehow to increase power
Makes complete sense. I did a trip from Vancouver BC to Moab Utah last year towing 8000lbs or more with my Ram 1500 and it was a little scary at times. I just traded it in 3 weeks ago on a 2017 F-350 6.7 and can't wait for this weekend to see how much better it tows.
Thanks! Enjoy the new truck, and feel free to post back here with an update on the performance of it!
Also 3/4 and 1 tons have larger frames and brakes. I have a Dodge Dually crew 4x4 with a Cummings 6.7 deleted and I love it , my friends she has a F250 crew 4x4 and it's super nice also hers is dressed out and mine is just a SLT that I use for the ranch. I only joke about other brand trucks. But tell everyone that if they are buying a truck and going to tow several times a year to go ahead and get a 3/4 due to the larger brakes. If any of them had been with me the day I had a blowout on 16' trailer pulled by my F150 4x4 with a loaded with RRoad cross ties, they would get a bigger truck
I disagree with this, My 1990 f250 is a 300 I6/zf-5 combo and it pulls the hell out of my jeep and trailer which weighs 5800ish lbs, I'm actually making a 5 hour trip with it to windrock ORV park this year. And my buddy tows his toyota crawler with a 2008 i think gmc 1500 gas burner. He bought a 2000 f350 with a 7.3 in it cause he figured it would be way better and ended up selling if after only 4 or 5 trips. He said he would rather use his gas burner instead.
Every one is taking about newer diesels matinice is high and fuel mileage is low on these due to the deff system reliability goes down aswell I run an 01 Cummins and get way better mileage out of it than I do my 01 half ton suburban I have owned my dodge Cummins for near 10 years it has proven to be very reliable even in -10 degree weather
I love diesels. I don't love the price tag, maintenance cost, 50 cents more per gal on fuel here in texas (That's the EPAs fault for requiring cleaner diesel), repair bills. My dream truck is a Ram 3500 dually. My 96 7.3 ford is falling apart. The most I tow with my gooseneck is 14.5 k but only short distances under 20 miles so MPG loaded isn't a big concern. I just need to tow it safely. Luckily these days 3/4 and 1 ton gassers tow what the diesels could do about 10 or 15 years ago so I figure if I got by all this time with a 22 year old powerstroke, a new GMC 3500 6.2 gasser should work fine. For the first time in my life I am leaning towards gas. My change in preference is not totally the fault of the manufacturers. Again, thanks EPA and Libtards. They've made diesel too expensive, and added probably 6k to the cost of diesel trucks not even counting DEF fluid. The truth is, the new diesels just aren't as durable with all this emissions crap. I also wish manufacturers would offer more barebones trucks people can afford. Even 46k for a low end gasser seems high to me. They still look awful fancy to me. Looks like I a may have to get a used gasser.
Too funny, but not surprising where the advice is coming from. No doubt a diesel can tow heavier rigs better than a gasser, but 5K# is about half of what our gasser (nearly 3.3K# of payload) has to tow here in the Mountain West region of the country, never an issue getting where we need to go. No white knuckle moments and always able to maintain posted speed limit. Sure there are times getting through some mountain passes that we may get to 5K rpm, for the most part we are about half of that. Yeah, if we ever get a behemoth of an RV (over 15K#) we may ponder getting a diesel, sure hope we never get to that point, just love how simple and cost efficient a gasser is to maintain. Hope you keep enjoying your diesel, I know we will keep enjoying our gasser. Happy Trails.
Thanks for the insight. Replacing my old 150 with a 250. Going to be towing around a 7,000 pound TT. Decided after hearing and listening and watching too the difference of 150 to 250. I'm going and sure ill be happy with the 250. But I don't think I'm going down the diesel road. Think the 6.2 will do me just fine. Will look for more videos from ya.
7000 lbs , a 6.2 in a F250 will be great
Crazy you bet. But my 1/2 ton limit is 6,000lbs. 6,800lbs on axles TV+5,000lbs on axles TT=11,800lbs GCWR
I agree with you 100%. Most 1/2 tons shouldn't be towing what they are rated for.
Considering buying my first 3/4 ton truck to pull our new travel trailer. Pulled it a couple of times with a 1/2 ton SUV and the experience was horrible! Borrowed family members 3/4 diesel and it was night and day difference. Question is I'm looking for an older truck ($15-20K range) and torn between gas 3/4 with averages of 150K-175K miles or a diesel with same mileage. Only plan on using it to tow travel trailer 8-10 times a year in the south, ie no major hills, so is gas then better than diesel?
That's a tough question that's hard for me to answer, as so much would probably depend on the overall condition of the particular truck. Gas engines have definitely improved much in just the last two years, so I would worry that 5+ year old gasser with that high mileage - especially if its been worked hard - won't have the towing performance.
A diesel for 5000lbs??? I used to pull 5000lbs easily and safely with a 2005 Chevy S-10 4.3L V6. No problem.
Tacoma, Colorado, and Nissan Frontier are all rated for over 5000lbs.
IMO a 1/2ton is perfectly fine for anything up to 8500lbs (properly equip). Especially if its just occasionally pulling a boat or camper.
Then u completely forgot about GAS 3/4 and 1 ton's as an option.....
The Power Stroke hasn't had the best track record for reliability. And, a $5K+ repair bill isn't rare when owing a diesel truck out of warranty.
Im selling my 12 250 6.7 for an 18 6.2 350 CC LB. Oh yeah.got 4.3 gear. Huge diff with sweet spot in the low 2k rpm range. The new 6 spd tranny is now very well tuned for towing with this motor and gear ratio. Pop some airbags in it and away we go. Carbon buildup was insane on 6.7. Blew intercooler pipe at 80k miles. Plus maintenance 13 qts oil, def, regens at stupid times, $100 fuel filters ever other oil change, oh and payload sucks unless you get a dually. Mine was litterally 2150 lbs. Omg... New 2018 6.7 max out at 3300 lb payload or so in crew cab long beds. 6.2 is 4k lb payload on the door sticker not in some brochure or on the web. Yes torque is insane on 6.7 but i dont need it every day. Dont tow in mountains. Everything in 600 miles of houston is flat except minor hill country in san antonio or austin. No big deal. Ill miss my powerstroke on the on ramps to freeways but im done fretting about some expensive component failing out of warranty and being over loaded on payload every time I hook up our 5ver. Not gonna drive a dually either
What about making it into a tow truck ? Gas or diesal? The cars I tow are usually under 5000lbs
Why I bought a 2016 Silverado 2500 duramax
Okay please give me some advise guys. I own a landscape company. I pull 5-7k every single day 7 days a week for 6 straight months. I occasionally pull a 14k dump trailer. I live in West Virginia. Most is in town and some interstate. I currently have a 7.3 powerstroke with a 6 speed manual. I need something more reliable. I keep having maintenance problems. It’s never the engine or trans. It just the normal wear items. Do I upgrade to a 2011-2015 f250 with a 6.7 or 6.2?Or down size to a f 150 Ecoboost. I know when I had my 01 f150 just 5k would throw me all over the dang place when I hit a pot hole. I haven’t had a single issue other then reliability with my current 3/4 ton.
So upgrade or down grade? All of your thoughts. Please.
Load your trailer more properly. I have a 2015 2500hd 6.0 gasser that I pull a fully loaded toy hauler with and I prefer it over a diesel any day. Driver preference from there..
I'm going to be pulling a 10,000lb trailer a few thousand miles for 5 days a month (including mountain passes) BUT the other 25 days of the month are lots city short-mileage (5 miles or so) city driving around town, which I know is really bad for diesel engines. I live in Colorado and have pretty mild weather, but it gets chilly (low 30's high 20's) in Dec, Jan & Feb and I don't want to be continually driving in a cold truck. What are everyone's thoughts? What would you sacrifice?
+Jeremey Ellis there's about 99% no difference in the drivability of these trucks compared to their gas engine counterparts. You will not be inconvenienced in any way with those temperatures that you mention nor will you be driving in a cold truck. My truck with the supplemental heater warms up significantly faster than any gas engine vehicle I've ever had. Pulling 10000 pounds for those distances over mountain passes... that's a no-brainer to go diesel, especially at altitude going over mountain passes.
Yup. Diesel is the shit. No argument there.
I just wanted to let you know you have a problem with your truck.
At 1,500 rpm you should have way more boost pressure. Check your intake for leaks.
And fxxk DEF
Sorry man a 5k trailer and you are saying that a 3/4 6.2l isnt good enough for that? Go ahead and spend your money on nonsense if you like. I have had 3 diesel trucks and now a gasser. Yes, you pull a 10k trailer I guess you better get a Peterbilt. I mean it will tow it better right? Hell did you get a dually? It will pull it better also. You get what is needed for the job. If you want a diesel to pull 5k that is one thing. Telling people they have to have to get a 3/4 diesel to be safe pulling a 5k trailer is nuts.
Why not get an f550? Go big or go home
Yeah baby, like driving a brick with wheels
Why diesel to sit on the side of the road? Not me after 3 i will stick with my 2013 f350 with the 6.2 4.30 gears that tows 15 k with no problem
Staci, Im looking at the Arctic Fox TC, weighs in at 5000 pounds. So I'm trying to decide on a gas or a Diesel engine. ill be getting a 350 Dually. Thanks for any input!
fit4ya1975 Diesel.... The gas will do it, but the diesel will do it better
thanks!
LOL 5000 pounds is nothing and in no way worth the expense of a diesel. Maybe if you pulled 10K+ on a daily baises.
I work with two guys that pull with two different brands of gas 3/4 trucks. One pulls a fifthwheel and the other pulls a 33 foot toy hauler TT. Both say the same thing. Their trucks have more than enough power to pull what they pull.
Hell yes. Gas 3/4 FTW. There are scenarios where diesel is better, but for most the gas will be plenty, and at much lower $$$
A few months ago I watched a 2017 Ford F150 3.5 ecoboost towing a 10,280 pound fifth wheel trailer, that truck can supposedly tow more. but the truth felt pity for that truck on a slope 6% I was waiting for the moment when a piston fly .... you want to tow 10k or more you need a diesel engine.
Gerardo Ortega you need to understand technology it has came a long way.
Anyways a diesel engine is more Reliable
A semi truck will tow the 5,000 trailer better than your 6.7… 🤷
Lol I have a diesel one ton….empty I get 17-19mpg …loaded 4-7k I get 12-14mpg my brother-in-laws 454 suburban gets 12mpg empty….his mountaineer gets 15mpg empty….my Jeep yj 4cyl empty gets 12-15mpg….my wife’s Subaru h6 outback gets 18-19mpg…..getting the point? Calculate getting 10mpg vs 17mpg over 100,000 miles the diesel pays for itself and gets waaaay higher resale value….
Now imagine getting a 15 year old 6.0 powerstroke with 82,000 miles on the clock for 15k then putting 5k worth of parts to make it better then doing the work yourself you now have a truck that can pull anything and is paid off…..
But that new 7.3 Godzilla is looking like a real option for those unable to turn wrenches because having things like oil coolers..oil squirters is why diesels can live with a 10k trailer it’s entire life and still get 200-500k without an overhaul….ford is top dog right now with their entire line up
These are great points. I still believe in the long run a diesel is king.
I am in the market for a new used truck,I will be towing 7,000 lies max.But also hauling heavy sometime.I will be towing a 7x14 utility trailer once a week to once a month.It varies.
Now for around 30k I can get a 3/4 with less than 30k miles vs
A diesel with 80-100k miles for the same price.
I plan I holding onto the truck 5-10 years easily.
What do you recommend?
Given your two options at that price point I might actually lean towards the gas option. If you are Towing in a relatively flat area and you are not at elevation, and you are not constantly in stop-and-go traffic, a 7000 pound utility trailer probably isn't too bad because they are pretty aerodynamic. But if you are at elevation or Are Climbing steep grades or even in stop-and-go traffic, the gas engine will have to work significantly harder than the diesel engine would, and therefore put much more wear and tear on it.
2016 F350 6.7
Yea I am in central NJ.So a lot of traffic,but some highway as well.
Which would you choose?
Cast iron blocks have been around for a long time, they're tried, true and reliable.
That is what my 6.2 gas burner is made of
Before spending $10000.00 up front, not to mention the added cost of maintaining and babying a diesel engine.
I mean why buy something that needs to be "bullet proofed"
Time will tell on a 6.7 diesel engine who's block is made of the relatively "new" material CGI, Compacted Graphite Iron........
+John Perdue Interesting argument. I never would have thought about the block being a reason to prefer the Ford gas engine over the 6.7 diesel. I guess I'm not aware of any widespread issues with the block across the hundreds of thousands that are in use. I guess I would also glady trade substantially better performance and fuel economy for a lower risk of block failure, especially when that risk is effectively a non-risk in everyday use.
2016 F350 6.7
As I said, only time can prove the longevity and reliability of anything.
Maybe the main reason the 7.3 is so highly sought after is because of the cast iron head and block foundation......
From the 300 inline 6 gas burner or the 7.3 diesel, one has to wonder why discontinue / replace something with a great tract record with a 150k mile throw away engine?
By the way have you had your DPF serviced yet?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Power_Stroke_engine
"By the way", have you heard of many folks with hundreds of thousands of miles on their 6.7 diesels? How much time do YOU need to prove reliability? They've been in use for almost 7 years now. I'd say it's a non-issue myself.
Furthermore, why discontinue the 7.3? Well, power and emissions. I read that it'd take over 90 modern 6.7's to equal one 7.3 liter diesels as far as harmful emissions output. I realize many get rid of the emissions equipment on the new trucks, but it's a small percentage of the total in use. There's no denying the modern diesels are far and away more efficient than the old International 7.3. Yes, it is a great motor but given the power per cubic inch, there really is no contest.
There are many valid arguments for choosing a gas over a diesel, but your arguments are weak.
It's not that a 1/2 ton cant pull, it comes down to running out of payload capacity.
Right? And when you're towing with a giant sail behind you, it's always nice to have all around beefier components of a 3/4 ton
This guy must have never towed with an ecoboost. Could have pocketed the 10k diesel option.
I'm sorry, but I have to both agree and disagree with this. Yes, the diesel will tow better. Yes, it will be more comfortable to drive when towing. But saying if you tow anything you have to buy a diesel is just wrong. 8-10K more in cost for the engine, combined with much bigger maintenance costs, as well as adding all new exhaust systems for DEF, the investment is just not worth the return unless you are going to be towing a lot. Also, for those of us who live in colder climates, I'd hate to have to plug in my truck every night. If you are 90% of the miles using it as a daily driver, it is hard on a diesel because it needs to work. I would say anything over 10,000lb towing I would go for the diesel, less than that for the occasional summer tow, a 3/4 ton gasser is just fine. But come on, a 5,000lb trailer? A half-ton Ecoboost would eat that up.
+Nicea Trya Of course a gas engine and even a half-ton truck can pull 5000. My point is that if you're buying new truck, do yourself the favor and get a diesel. You could get a moderately featured diesel truck for possibly less than a fully featured half ton. But anyway, a couple responses to your points. First, so far my cost of ownership is less than compared to my previous gas truck. An oil change is a bit more expensive, but about half as often. The DEF fluid is basically meaningless: once every 7000 miles I need to go to a truck stop and put in 3-4 gallons of it right at the pump. My mileage is significantly better too. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if so far my cost of ownership is actually less. Second, you don't need to plug modern diesel engines in unless it is really cold (around zero). My manual says to plug in at -9f. I choose to plug it in because the cab heats up faster. Third, it is also not true that modern diesel engines need to be "worked"; the engine will come up to operating temperature faster, but not "working" it doesn't harm it.
2016 F350 6.7 how long have you had your 6.7 has it gave you any issues cause I'm looking at buying a truck in less than a year I plan to use it for Construction I will commute around 100 miles a day mostly highway but I'm going for older Series cause the newer ones are out of my budget I have seen 2012 with 90k miles in my price range
2016 F350 6.7 oh eventually I plan to tow a 16k pound gooseneck dump trailer
+HERPY DERPEDY I have only 13000 miles on it, but no issues at all big or small. Buying used is always a risk, but I doubt you would have any major issues. Good luck!
Nicea Trya I would have to agree with you. I have a 28 foot Travel Trailer rated at 6,000 lbs Andi tow it with my 2008 GMC Yukon Denali 6.2 Liter gas engine. it is not the XL but the shorter wheel base model and this truck tows as if nothing is behind me. we only camp a half of dozen times during the summer so I think my 1/2 ton is doing just fine.
what this guy doesn't understand is everybody can't afford diesel diesel is very expensive especially when it comes to maintenance and I have a 7.3 it's no joke I can only imagine how the maintenance would be on the new one. if you going to be pulling lightweight 5000 lb 7 8000 lb I say any half ton will pull that hell even the older half tons will pull it it may not be as fast but it would do it
Palmyra Indiana I live in Floyd knobs man
In short if you can afford it buy a diesel superduty if you can’t, sell your trailer 😂
just not a ford
I don’t know about anybody else I can only comment on my own experience. I own,Drive and tow with a 2007 Dodge ram 1500 with a 5.7 hemi with 5.92rear gears quad cab 2 Wheel drive with 177,000 miles on my trailer is 28 for 6700 pounds dry weight for capacity is 9300 pounds but I never pull at full capacity and only about 7200 pounds so I pulled on my truck is rated at around 8600to 8800 pounds and sits on the highway around 1800 to 2200 rpms and maybe 2800 to 3000 up hill and it does the job just fine. Now saying that would I benefit from a diesel 20 500-3500 or even a Dooley absolutely but this is the truck I have an award for now my next truck will be an F350 Dooley I also want upgrade my trailer to a 35 foot hitch trailer. To say that anything over 5000 pounds is no good for half ton truck is ridiculous most full size half ton trucks will easily pull a 5000 pounds without breaking a sweat.
I routinely tow between 7000 & 8500 lbs with my 1/2 ton silverado. I did this with my previous silverado also. I have towed the same trailer with a diesel silverado and the difference was mimal. Yes, I've got to step on my gasser a bit harder, but maintenance costs and initial cost to purchase new were and are far cheaper with the gas mill. My 08 had 185,000 miles on it when I traded it in snd I had no motor, trans or differential issues when I traded it in. My 2013 has 120 k on it and again, no motor, trans or diff issues. At this point I can trade in on a new truck and only have to come up with about $22k out of pocket for another gasser instead of $45k out of pocket for a diesel 3/4 ton. Do the math.
Half tons are Mall crawlers and for people to move their furniture. No s*** a diesel 3/4 or 1 ton can tow better. where you from New York?
Dude...a fuckin ranger will pull 5000 lbs.
Oh and 15.7mpg? Thats pathetic. My old 460 gets 13.
Well I guess it’s time to see what my 69 F250 can do.
diesel awsome for towing.Affordable no way too expensive.
This truck would be 100 percent overkill for anybody pulling anything other than the largest 5th wheel travel trailers. If a guy has the Coin and wants to pull a 5,000 pound trailer though why not I guess lol.
I mean that is just fundamentally not true. I pull a 32 ft travel trailer that when all loaded up is just at 9000 lbs. This truck pulls the trailer very well, and night-and-day better than my previous Ram 2500 gas (Hemi). BUT...it still "works" to pull it, and there is no doubt the trailer is back there. To say that this truck is overkill for pulling my trailer is laughable.
2016 F350 6.7 read above post again. If a guy has the money to buy a truck that in certain configurations is capable of towing 15,000+ pounds to pull an average size tt, them by all means go ahead lol.
Again you are comparing a Ford to a Ram running gear
I laugh at the people commenting. It sounds like the people driving the gas super duty are the only ones who care about the sticker price, the DEF and maintenance cost of a diesel truck. I know what it costs to drive a gas Triton V-10 and I know what I paid for my super duty and what it costs to drive my 6.7L V-8 Turbo diesel. I won't tell you what to buy because I don't know YOUR needs or where you live. Example: A person living in Florida or Texas will have different driving conditions than someone driving in Wyoming or Colorado. That might just be why there are different models of trucks in the first place. :)
smoberdeen I live in Texas.. It's not Wyoming mountains here, but Ill take my Duramax towing any day of the week over a gas
first of all....if you buy a ford diesel, your doomed from the start
you probably had a f150 .one day your going to try a 250 .omg what a truck wish i had this truck back then.buddy you got to be a city guy,lol
+Shad Meyer yeah the modern 150s are great trucks and have pretty incredible ratings. But the difference in the driving experience while towing or hauling loads even with those trucks, when compared to an actual three quarter or 1-ton truck, is also also pretty incredible
Shad Meyer what people don't understand is the twin turbo 3.5 ecoboost has 90% torque at 1900 RPMs 420ft lb full torque at 2500 RPMs 470 ft lbs so it doesn't have to be pushed and the twin turbos breath well in the hills. Check out tfl truck f150 on you tube .
Geez I hate when people new to towing see stuff like this. Nothing at all wrong with a diesel power plant but no, they aren’t for every situation. I’mfloored by the new diesel owner who thinks his truck has the ability of a Kenworth tractor lol. Pay attention too your payload/axel capacities. That’s where you will run into images such as the one show at the beginning of this video. Makes no difference if your powered by a space shuttle engine if you don’t have the axle, gear, brakes for it.
I love diesel engines. Just sux when they break down $$$$$$$
Anything over 5000lbs is too much for a 1/2 ton lmao!? My 2015 1500 5.3 could/would spin the tires from the stop lights pulling 7-8000lbs worth of car hauler loaded with a trailblazer sized SUV’s and then on the highway doing 75+(not the most responsible I get it but time is money lol) and return 14-16mpg through the Midwest... modern half ton trucks are more than capable of handling 5000lbs of daily towing duty dude.
I bought a 26' travel trailer weighs 6000lbs empty about 6700lbs loaded. Spent one season towing it with a 2004 Ram 1500 5.7 with 3.55 gears and that was enough. I bought a used 2011 F350 6.7 the day after thanksgiving. Towed the camper a few times and could not be happier. Do I need that big of pickup? No. But holy crap it's SO much more enjoyable. Headed to Yellowstone in 3 weeks!
How was your Yellowstone trip? Looking at making that trip summer of '19
We just bought a 2017 F350 Diesel XLT for under what a Platinum ecoboost cost and get 25 mpg with a tonneau cover and 23 without it on. We'll be full timing by this time next year and are already seeing benefits from the diesel vs. gas. Love the feeling of having a safer vehicle and less Mx issues. The newer 2017 diesels regen automatically so the dpf system is more user friendly. Has 925 ft lbs of torque and has more basic amenities than trucks of ten years ago. I researched this more than 1 1/2 yrs ago and knew 2017 was what we wanted, so we waited for it and found the way to do it!
We "prebudgeted" for it, so it is do-able on a meager USAF retirement (Enlisted & Proud of it)!
I agree!!!
You are simply wrong to make such blanket statements. I pull an 8,000+ 31' travel trailer with an 08 Tundra crewmax. Our long trips 1000+ miles all include significant grades (I live in the NW) and have all been done traveling with multiple 3/4 ton diesels. (2010-2012). I was able to pull all the grades at or above speed limit (granted, pushing the truck hard). I was also perfectly comfortable descending the other side of those grades. Admittedly, I get terrible gas mileage and have a small tank, but we often had to stop for a bathroom break or food or whatever for the kids before I was on empty. I also traveled in high winds with 50+ mph gusts and felt secure and in control, thanks to a good hitch and proper distribution on weight on the tongue etc. I have NEVER, get that right, NEVER had an incident where I felt the vehicle was out of control or the trailer was pushing the truck around. The last trip, on a windy mountain road near Mt. Hood, I had a clueless driver in from of me in a Subaru miss his turn and do an absolute panic stop locking his breaks. I was probably following a little close and had to mash my brake pedal all the way to the floor. My truck and trailer stopped in a perfectly straight line with just a whisper from the anti-lock. I honestly could not believe how fast the truck and trailer stopped and I was waiting for the thud of the truck behind us rear ending us. (They didn't!) I will quote you: "you don't have to be watching your engine RPM running at 5-6000 RPM for the entire duration of your trip..." Go back and listen to yourself, that's ridiculous, the entire duration of your trip? I totally see recommending the bigger truck, that's your opinion, but the blanket statements are a little crazy.
I don't understand why you would make a video when you don't "know how to explain" why it is better to purchase a diesel truck for towing.... I'll share some information with everyone who's interested, to shed some light on the WHY; If you are not TOWING, you don't "need" a diesel TRUCK. The 3/4 and 1 ton trucks are HEAVIER. If you have a larger mass towing any given trailer vs a LIGHTER mass vehicle towing the same trailer... the heavier mass will control the load better and you will FEEL it less, ESPECIALLY if the trailer has brakes. Trailers without brakes will apply more force on the tow vehicle while slowing and again, the heavier vehicle will control the load better. The MAIN concern with heavy loads is STOPPING ability which generally causes the most problems and accidents while towing. You can accelerate as quickly or slowly as you like/the vehicle is capable of, in a very controlled way. What you have LESS CONTROL over is other drivers cutting you off, getting in front of you (and slowing down much faster than you can) and maneuverability while trying to slow down in more situations than I have time to explain. DIESEL engines also CAN have exhaust brakes which greatly help slowing you down, which gas engines do not have. Another SIGNIFICANT factor of diesel vs gas engines is that a diesel engine (if maintained equally) will last MUCH longer. Diesel engines are also built to be VERY durable due to the loads and forces they will be exposed to. Diesel engines cost significantly more because they are far better engineered and ridiculously solidly built to deal with the immense forces that will be placed on them including. Another reason diesel engines last longer is because of the differences in FUEL. Diesel fuel is a dense fuel with larger molecules than gasoline. Gasoline is also a SOLVENT, which break down OILS (which your engine NEEDS to lubricate metal parts that "wear" through pressure and friction). Gas engines "wear" much faster because it does not keep the engine (cylinders, piston rings, etc) lubricated nearly as well as a diesel. Diesel fuel has a higher viscosity and bears thermal loads more consistently than gas and is very much like a lubricant, which keeps engine wear extremely minimal. Diesel fuel also has a MUCH HIGHER flash point and burns slower than gas (and actually in waves from outside to in of the plume). Diesel engines run at MUCH LOWER RPM than gas engines (roughly 1/3 as much as gas engines at equal acceleration). Diesel: Less RPM with superior lubrication vs Gas: high RPM with constantly diminishing lubrication = much quicker "wear" on the gas engine. The heavier the load, the more detrimental these forces become. There is a reason that Semi Trucks ALL use diesel engines. They all often carry massive loads and a gas engine would simply fail extremely quickly on this far end of the forces spectrum. COST is another significant factor in the diesel vs gas engine civilian TRUCK arena. The same truck will cost more with a diesel engine than a gas one (BUT, not twice as much, which is significant long term). However, the diesel engine will last AT LEAST twice as long as the gas engine if both are maintained equally... so you're actually not SPENDING as much in the LONG RUN purchasing the diesel engine truck. I often see diesel engines surpassing 500,000 miles still in quality running condition and rarely even hear of a gas engine completing the same. Diesel engines produce significantly more TORQUE than gas engines. This is VERY helpful for acceleration from a stop and again, the diesel trucks (engine, suspension, transmission, drive line/s, etc) are built FAR STRONGER than their gas counterparts to easily deal with these great forces, thus will last longer. A common misconception is that diesel trucks cost MORE to maintain and/or repair. This is incorrect. Diesel mechanics actually just CHARGE MORE than they would for a gas truck counterpart. The entire diesel system is actually LESS COMPLICATED and EASIER to work on for a mechanic of equal skill. Because diesel trucks COST more on average than a gas counterpart, they "assume" the diesel driver will be "willing" and/or "expect" to spend MORE for their maintenance and/or repair, so they just charge more. It's worth noting that equal skill and equal NUMBERS of mechanics in each field are NOT the same. There are far less diesel mechanics which allow them to charge more, even though the "work" is actually easier. It is INCREDIBLY efficient and cost effective to LEARN how to work on your own gas OR diesel truck.... you will save a ridiculous amount of money over the life of the vehicle. It's not rocket science... if one monkey can do it, SO CAN YOU... EASILY. Do you think "mechanics" are considered by others to be 'highly intelligent people"? LOL not by a long shot. ANYONE can be a mechanic. It truly surprises me that more people don't work on their own vehicles. For most maintenance and repairs, you could LEARN and COMPLETE a job faster than it would take you to make your appointment, take the vehicle to the mechanic, wait for them to complete the work and then retrieve the vehicle (this is assuming you have your own tools and equipment because you work on your own vehicles. It will take time and funds to work up to this point, but WELL worth it)! A final note on cost: Because diesel engine trucks will last FAR longer than their gas counterpart, you can purchase a USED diesel truck that will OUTLAST a brand new gas truck purchased at the same time assuming the used diesel was maintained. I purchased a 2018 RAM 2500 recently for $27,000 cash. This truck (with it's dealer upgrades) was priced at $65,000 in 2018 when NEW. So you CAN purchase a quality diesel for a fraction of the cost of a new diesel if you're smart about it and the value in the long run is INCREDIBLE. Purchasing a USED gas truck for towing will be a disaster GUARANTEED. Fuel economy should never be a deciding factor as it is GREALY bias. Fuel economy should be calculated as a COST and NOT savings. If you know OR learn anything about engine mechanics (HOW engines function... not the dude who works on them) you will quickly understand that the engines in the USA are SPECIFICALLY DUMBED DOWN to be terribly inefficient by EPA "regulations"... go figure. This forces drivers to use LOTS of fuel... which in turn is TAXED... which in turn produces over HALF of our countries entire tax revenue annually! Humans have had the technology for DECADES to EASILY produce a large towing vehicle... or ANY vehicle for non commercial use that could achieve 100 MILES PER GALLON. This is also the reason why electric vehicle growth and production have been seriously suppressed for DECADES. Also, as robust as diesel engines are and have been for many decades, they could still be GREATLY enhanced to be absolutely incredible engines. There is not a single production diesel engine in the world that has MORE than one injector per cylinder. If you learn how diesel engines FIRE and burn their fuel, you would understand the incredible benefits of more injectors per cylinder and the significant results it would produce with tuning. Anyhow... this was long but hopefully worth reading. There is so much more information, but it would be book length. BOTTOM LINE: diesel engine trucks of equal size to their gas counterparts are SUPIERIOR in regard to towing and exponentially better as all of the discussed forces increase. If you only tow ONCE IN A WHILE (once per month or less) and the load is under 5K lbs (using a modern gas truck 05'-20'), you could argue that a gas truck (in the long run) would COST less in total. You would be spending less on fuel due to better fuel efficiency, less cost for the vehicle and less cost for maintenance (if you don't do your own work and maintenance). However, if you DO tow often and tow heavier loads, do not make the mistake of purchasing a GAS truck. The differences are so significant that it really isn't an equal or fair comparison between diesel and gas trucks for TOWING. If you require validation, I have a Master Mechanics knowledge and understanding of both diesel and gas engines AND their applications not only in trucks but a wide range of their uses.... From generators, heavy equipment, marine and industrial uses to name some. There are two engineers in my family and the three of us often discuss all of the above and much more on a technical engineering level AND how the various systems can improve. I have towed with everything from 4 cylinder pickups to 1 ton trucks in both diesel and gas. I also discuss much of this information with Semi drivers I personally know that carry loads up to 80,000 lbs! (GVW) on the national highway system. One thing is for certain. The more time you spend LEARNING about diesel and gas engines... the more greatly they become separated in terms of application, reliability and cost effectiveness. To understand just how superior diesel engines are to gas engines, understand this: Diesel engines are used all over the world in trucks, boats, trains, barges, ships, etc. to transport pretty much every product produced globally. Diesel engines are also used on nearly every farm and construction project around the world AND there is NO SUBSTITUTE in most of these applications. Enjoy your diesel truck =]
Sorry, but I cannot agree with you. You just can't paint every trailer with the same brush as to say. Yes, it is good to have more truck than needed but do you go out and buy Peterbilt to pull a travel trailer? Of course not! There are a lot of variables. First is weight. 5000lbs, save your money, buy a half ton. When going into bigger weights7000 and 8000lbs, you definitely need weight distribution systems. This is where I draw the line on 3/4 ton trucks. After 8000lbs you also need more stopping power and the extra weight of the truck keeps you a little more planted on the road. Now, let's talk about diesels. I pull a 29' 5th wheel 8500lbs dry with a '15 F250 6.2 Gas. It hauls it easily and yes, uphill too! Now is my gas mileage as good, no. But I won't spend $9000 extra in fuel that it would cost for the Diesel plus maintenance. Diesels are made to work hard every day, not just every other weekend or the one trip every summer and they don't like the cold. So, to say they do the job better than a gas engine, yes but, to say that if you are pulling anything over 5000lbs, sorry! I hauled a Contour on a car hauler trailer with a combined weight of 5300lbs. I had to look back from time to time to see if it was still behind us. If you are hauling 10 000lbs and more on a regular basis, by all means, get a Diesel. If not, there is an expression that comes to mind, "Overkill". Just My 2 Cents
My2Cents I agree. Makes sense to me what you are saying.
u make no sense a gas 2500 or 250 will do just fine and most people won't spend the extra money for a deisel when they can get a gas truck that can do the job just as well and way cheaper to fix when it brakes
James spencer i agree. the only way i can see spending the extra money on a diesel is if i towed things for a living. like if i moved cars cross comtry or somethung like that
+James spencer My point was that a gas truck won't do the job just as well.
I guess it depends on application but ive seen old guys do the same thing every year, towing 30k pounds of hay with an old 1970's gas'er of choice. Slow and steady.
Ofcourse, with the United States driving record as a whole, I wouldn't want to see the average person doing this.
A gasser will never tow as well as a diesel no matter what mods you may have done to the gasser. What he says is true, a diesel truck will always tow better than a gasser and if you are towing frequently you may want to consider the diesel...
He does make perfect sense! You're talking about a difference of 400ft pounds of torqe vs 800ft pounds of torqe!! That's like comparing a 200ft pound torge (Honda car) engine with a 400ft pound torqe engine (F250 gas)! lol! Ive had both and I can tell you that a diesel is a HUGE improvement!!!!!!!!
When I bought my truck is was for. Between the 5.7 hemi or the 5.9 Cummins and I do t regret getting the Hemi. Yes my fuel economy isn't the same as a diesel but for my 10 minute commute to and from work and the 8,000lbs trailer i tow 3 or 4 times a week I made the correct decision. I towed that trailer with a 6.7 powerstroke and it did not better than my hemi did. I have gone across the scales towing just over 15,000lbs and yes I knew it was there but the truck did it and I felt like I was in control. My friends truck with a 6.0 powerstroke towed that same trailer and did just as bad on fuel as my hemi. I can't justify a diesel and most people can't
This was incredibly convincing - awesome 👍
Guys, if any my friends had decided to go for a 3/4 or 1 ton, I would suggest them to upgrade to a diesel. Why, here is my calcs: I am in canada, diesel here is 10-15% cheaper than gas most time of a year, my 6.7 power stroke takes 15L/100km combined, about 25-30% less than 6.2 gas (~20L/100km), it comes out I can have $6-7 cost saving on fuel/100km. Say, you but a truck new and sell it @150000km, the save on fuel evens out the cost of upgrade to diesels. AND you can sell a used diesel MUCH more than a used gas; AND you enjoy much better driving experience diesel gives to you: torque, smooth towing, less fuel consumption when towing, sexy engine sound( I like it so much)...number talks! again, I speak of only in Canada. By the way, I tow a 7000# travel trailer, my power stroke drinks as much as 20.5L/100km when towing.
W900 c16 tri axle 18 speed or go home
You're copying Big Truck Big Rv
We had a dodge 1500 being ford fans it was a mistake we have a 32 foot camper it weighs around 8,800-9,000 we take bikes wood to burn and all that the dodge litlarly drug it's ass we got a 2016 f250 4 door long bed with the 6.7 it dose way better like so munch difference
+Jake thequadrunnersnake yeah man that's exactly what I'm talking about.
This is BS I have owned 2 rams 1500s with hemis and they towed great! I now own a 2020 3/4 ton 6.7 liter turbo Cummins brand new and has over 19k tow capable. And its not necessary or significantly dramatically or better i can't stand guys who all of sudden get a diesel and then put out this kind of garbage videos to justify their overpriced truck. And yes they are pricey I spent 80k on my new ram. 1500s gasses are great trucks of you match it up to the right rig end of story! Oh yeah I do use stabilizers anti sway and bags and I loved my 1500s.
But if your wife or girlfriend or friend puts DEF in the fuel tank its going to take $7k to fix your truck... I'm sorry I'll stick to gas.
I thought I had heard it all...but this may be the dumbest reason yet to not get a diesel truck.
Amen. Most folks just spew out words they heard from someone that seemed to make sense to them at the time. Not based on any facts or personal experience. So tiresome. henderson63, Let me try that: "Just wait until Jiffy Lube (assuming you use them after your comment) fills your gas truck engine with wiper fluid instead of oil. That will cost $12k to fix your truck. I'll stick to diesels, oh, and the real world. lol
maybe if you are rich !!!!!
The picture of a truck and trailer on their sides would indicate you intend to give evidence that a gas truck was the cause. Then you ramble for 5 + plus
minutes and never mention the accident. Very dishonest.
Thats crazy, modern trucks rated for...... lol just kidding
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STAY AWAY FROM MODERN DIESELS UNLESS YOU PLAN ON DELETING THE EMISSIONS GARBAGE FROM THEM. IF YOU DON'T, MAN ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE ONE HECK OF A HEADACHE DEALING WITH THEM. Seriously newer diesels are a pile of garbage anymore. Buy an older diesel and mod it to make the power a newer diesel does... that's all you have to do.... easy no? Not that you really need to... they already make plenty of power for the average user, just saying.
Good lord. What a load of crap.. All backed up by nothing. But I still love the internet despite emotional fact-less ramblings like this one.
rsg1963 You obviously have never driven a 6.7, been around one or have ever read articles about the emissions equipment on them always messing up. Get outta here with your non sense rambling hate on the facts I'm stateing.
Ray Dornbush my reply stands as written. Assume all you want about my experience or lack thereof. Enjoy your ride on the bandwagon.
rsg1963 alright I suppose? ....
Ray Dornbush that’s no longer a problem with the new ‘17s. Besides many states will not allow deleting. It’s a BIG fine if caught. Also you can’t pass inspection.