Boss Katana 50 VS. Fender Champion 50XL
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- Finally a fair fight! 50 watt $200 amps Vs. 50 watt $200 amp. WHO SHALL BE THE VICTOR!?!?!?!?!
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Thanks for making this videos. They help everyone learn more. Being that said, one thing to point out is that the champion 40 has the speaker right in the middle of the cabinet while the katana has the speaker placed more towards the left (front view) and we can all see that both mics are placed in right in the middle of each amp...this means the mic placement on the fender is getting the brightest possible sound of the amp (full center) while the mic on the katana is getting a more darker sound because is placed in the middle between the cone and the edge of the speaker. It is not a fair test i think.
@@musiciansoftheworld3847 Champion 40….?
It's a shame everything is judged on how loud it goes with ultradistortion scooped metal sounds nowadays. Not everyone is interested in that.
Are you anti distortion?
Did I say that? No.
True
@@preston_4824 Did he stutter?
Yes, but any weakness is a minus
The one major item in comparison is this - you can tweak the EQ of the fender and/or add pedals and you'll be good. BUT...to have the Katana come alive and remove the "blanket" you hear over it...you NEED to hook it up to your computer and use Boss's tonebase to mess with your Katana Global EQ. Absolute must. You don't deal with that at ALL with the Fender. Plug n play. I have both amps and I have to say, although there can be some flubbiness...but...the tones are still quite clear without putting hours into computer stuff. So for me, plug n play helps me practice and create more. Sitting in front of the boss tonestudio is fun but sucks practice time. And at the end of the day, this should be about playing your instrument, not effing around with software.
Yeah but you don't have to do that every time once you have a few presets made.
I agree. I had the Boss Katana. I wasn't a fan of having to hook it up to get what I wanted out of it. Swapped it for the Fender Champion 50xl today.
@@riverrush5481 the midnight speaker was so dark I swapped it out but yeah - fun. I gig with it, especially gigs where the amp is mic’d. Sounds amazing! Even breaks up like a real amp when you simply turn up channel 1. If you can without going deaf!
@andrew wheeler guitar
What Global EQ settings do you suggest for removing the blanket from the speaker?
Exactly!
I was wondering why the katana sounded so bassy and muddy, then I saw the bass was almost at full setting...
u clearly didnt watch the whole video lol
He adjusted the EQs of both amps equally.
Clean I much prefer the Fender.
For drive the Katana slays the Fender.
Just my opinion.
I’m liking the Fender but it might be a different call when I’m in the same room and playing through them. Solid video. Thanks for posting it!
I like the fact that you don't push us to choose a specific sound...you give us the right to choose what we like even if you don't like
weird.... it must be my speakers or something ( maybe my ears) but to me the fender sounds brighter and thinner in all of them and the katana sounds darker and slightly muddy. but hey ho, enjoyed the review cheers.
Same here. Maybe might have been a mistake?
Same here.
Yup!
Man, he should have dialed in the Katana better. That bass EQ is too high. Of course it gets muddy. In my Kat, I always have the bass EQ in a low setting.
Bass is full on katana
If I just wanted it for electric guitar gigging, I'd go with the Fender. I like the basic tone much better. 50 watts is generally loud enough and you can always go through the board (very easily with either of those amps). If you want more, buy a second one and run stereo!. On the other hand, I do a lot of acoustic gigs also and the acoustic channel on the Katana is really quite good. So, for versatility, I'd go with the Katana. Besides which, both amps take pedals very well so you can get your tonal versatility there.
Can you overpower drums with 50W amp without max tweaking?
How about fo stereo with both
That's funny, so far every one of your videos has started with "this is the video that everyone's been asking for" :)
every one? how many videos have you watched?
@@60CycleHumcast They did say "so Far" - they may mean every video they have seen so far...
Do not pay attention to these people. Your channel is Awesome. straight forward and real. I love it.
I think you may have missed the better heavy distortion setting on the fender. If you turn the dial slightly further past the "metal" option (red light) it turns to a green light and it is a much better sounding heavy distortion. If you turn further still it goes onto the octave setting (orange light).
I definitely find the 'green light' metal option is the better of the two at high volume, seems to take all that flubbyness out.
Just a thought people might like to try.
Excellent review none the less.
That would be a mustang not the Champ
@@michaelfaulkner4340 I think I know which amplifier I own.
you can change the eq in the katana in the tone studio to match the fender sound .
I like the Fender speaker better, front facing controls preferred + agree bedroom amps. I never play my amp all the way up to me wasted test... Love BOSS, Fender, Marshall .. need one of each!
It's tough to come away with any kind of real opinion from watching any of these comparison videos.
I think the best way to compare is to take your own guitar into the music store and plug in and try them out for yourself.Let your ears decide which suits you best.
Best comment.
I00% agreed
Most of the reviews I have watched so far have favored the fender. The high-volume test made a big impact. The other previews that I have seen did not focus on the Flubber. Glad I watched this. Now I am back to not knowing what to do. Except of course spending $1,000 on a real amp.
I have the Fender 50xl and I think the Katana has more "punch" to it. The Fender seems a little week or muffled at high volumes where the Katana seems almost happy to show you what it's got. Great video though. Thanks.
kinda prefer katana because more mids fender is good but no mids knob kinda limits your options
They both sound good - just different. I'd be happy with either. I've got three low end amps: a Fender Bullet amp, a Blackstar ID Core, and a Marshall Code amp that I despise.
That Fender sounds sweet. It's much more full sounding to me. That's on both clean and gain.
while the katana actually has a very decent speaker for a low price combo, the fender just blows it out of the water with the celestion midnight speaker. Its great great value for the money.
Fender easily wins true cleans (who would’ve thought). I feel the katana was at a disadvantage trying to EQ match it to the fender during the low volume tests but even still I think the katana is the clear winner. Good review though Ryan !
Boss has a new MKII version out now and has improved it, I have a 50XL and seriously thinking of getting a Katana 50 MKII, both good amps, but Katana gives you more options for the same $
Try Anderson’s for a much better review of the Fender champ 50xl versus the Boss Katana 50.
Both Pete & Rabea do a thorough >40 minutes review with excellent guitar playing.
The FENDER comes out on top for greater warmth, shimmering cleans, room filling capacity and ease of use. The Boss can be connected to a computer so there are more downloadable tones. It’s more digital and better for distorted tones. The Fender is giggable and more plug and play without the need for excessive knob twiddling. It’s the Midnight Celestion 60 speaker with open back cabinet that gives the Fender the edge.
You could add a graphic EQ and adjust the presence in the Katana computer app. Helped me remove the brittle sound.
Good to know.
You can do so much with the Katana and BOSS Tone Studio. So versatile!
What a mismatch!!! One is made by Fender and the other is obviously made by Boss. It says it right on the front!
He also has one on the left and one on the right.
Plus he didn't down tune his guitar and wear a cool metal outfit for the metal test
Huh ???
That Strat behind the Fender has sparkles. DEFINATELY makes this review unfair!!
And BTW, The Boss is surrounded by Fender amps. FENDER IS A BULLY!!
Preposterous
I'm new to the amp world and I love how we describe sound and tones with funny words like "farty, flubby, woofier..."
"loud enough to annoy your neighbour" LOL I was blown away when I got my KTN 100. Even at the 0.5w setting that thing is LOUD. So punchy!
Good comparison and I agree
At lower volumes I think I like the Fender. High volume, Katana is vastly better.
This shows how difficult it is to objectively compare these amps. I think the EQ and other settings account for most of the differences, and with either amp, one could dial in and adjust the tone and distortion as desired. I think this shows that both amps sound good over a broad range of styles; these amps are properly seen as "instruments" themselves, and someone skilled adjusting the controls could get great sounds from either of them. So, thanks for this helpful demo.
Two fundamentally different sounding amps. I like the beefier sound of the katana
In another video of the 2 the eq is left neutral and the fender sounds way more beefier, with the Katana sounding pretty brittle at times - with hi presence. This is normal, think of how Yamaha Grand piano's sound compared to European instruments. The problem here - the eq's are not matched, Iv'e never heard the fender sound like this. Yes, it does not do hiGain as well, but it's a Celestion Midnight in there, a nice speaker, and it sounds wrong to me.
Yeah I own the fifty and I personally think it's quite brittle at times
@@N0-0n3 Agreed. I personally set the presence down in the tone studio app for basically all of the tones in the Katana.
I bought a katana 100 watt 2X12 but here’s what I’ve heard that you’ll get the best sounds if you plug it into the computer and adjust all your petals accordingly and I’m guessing if you did that on both of them you would get almost exactly the same sounds. They are both great amps but they’re both a little different type of amps one you build the model the other is your copying model of another app. I used to build cabinets though with Celestion speakers and I used to tune the ports on them I actually built a electronic tool for doing that. I am going to try to make a thing for the katana to put a back on it with a tune port because some guys are saying they want the mid range punch of like a big tube amp, most of the people that buy these are buying them for practice in their bedroom and a little bit of playing out as an individual not necessarily a whole band. And also some computer recording I think it’s an all-around thing they were good for any of that but I could easily create an adjustable port or folded horn port in the back to give you a mid range bass thump out of the katana and I may do some experimenting with that to show people. Basically it would be a bolt on kit where you added a more of a semi closed back instead of the open back. But generally in today’s day and age we have so many electronics and many equalizer adjustments you can just about get any sound you want out of anything or pretty close I mean you might notice a difference in the studio but to the average guys ear I doubt it. Or it’s not enough to matter What I see on the boss is they designed that speaker to be the very best all-around speaker with that thing and it really is I’ve heard guys switch them out to Celestion and unless you’re after something specific it pretty much sounds better with the stock speaker. Roland did a hell of a job on that and they’ve been building them cube amps for decades and they had awesome power and sound so they already knew what the hell they were doing on this one. Fender has always been known as the best clean sound amps but they also responded with pedals. The wild thing they got on the katana hundred watt amps is you buy a stereo the stereo guitar cord and plug it into another one and then on the back you flip a switch to stereo and you have automatic programmed stereo amps. For a guy like me that just cool plays like parties for my buddies and stuff that’s kind of huge because you’re getting a lot of sound out or one person and a drummer or something like that. Great video thanks
I have the Katana 50, and it was a great choice and for that price!! Awesome amp
hi, i have seen several reviews now and i like yours most. here i can really see a true comparison (as good as possible of course). Maybe if you had some time it would be great to see a direct comparison of the fender lower budget amps like the champion 20,40,50xl and the Mustang I. at least at the most common sounds. those amps are great to start with and quite popular, but it is difficult to find them all at a time for testing, especially when living far away from a bigger city. would be very helpful to see them all at a time. many thanks for all your work.
Just my opinion... the Fender sounds pretty good. The Boss sounds like someone put the Fender inside a cardboard box and started playing it.
I agree, and the Boss sounds kind of lo-res and grainy. Same price point but different intended applications, and they have really taken the laptop based tweaking culture onboard which is great for those who like it. I guess the limitation is you are locked into Boss pedal emulations, not the real thing, and I prefer to have a real analogue pedal. Using one is a way to break out of the walled garden.
😂!!!! That fender distortion sounds like a jar of bees
The only thing I wish was different is I wish he used a humbucker guitar on the distortion, but that’s just me being picky not a compliant I love the video
Great comparison. Thank you for doing so much work to compare apples to apples.
Very interesting. Would like to see the Katana against the 35 watt 1 x 10 Orange Solid State amp which people seem to just love.
Are you talking about the Orange Cush 35RT?
@@Autigers2013 Yes. Indeed.
Amen to people always complaining! You are doing this for free. Taking the time to do this FREE content. If ya don’t have something nice to say, don’t say it!
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Awesome shootout. Hard to pick, I guess it's just down to preference in the end. I sorta like how the Katana is a bit more compressed overall. To me, the fender sounds like it gets harsh at times.
I own Kat head but did have the 50. I find the cleans to be "sterile". Fender amps have that sparkly high thing and sound organic by comparison. Boss brown is nice though.
The Katana seems to have more tone cutting through. The Fender seems to have a ultra high-end hissy quality to the tones. My guess is that the Katana will cut through the band better in a live situation. This comment is for both clean/overdrive comparisons made.
Some amplifier very similar (or superior) to the Champion 50XL in sound quality???
Really, thank you! (PS I loved the 50XL sound).
Fender sounds so much more rich, Katana sounds like it’s being played through a PC, as opposed to an ‘Amp’
its the speakers, you have to pay tons more for a Boss with the Celestion vintage 30s..yuo can buy one on Thomann for $120
Someone should do comparison between a Orange crush 35rt & a Katana 50.... both are more similar to each other than the Fender. Plus, see which one has the better clean channel break-up sound and how they take pedals
I want to see the champion 50xl vs the Champion 40 because I want to hear the difference between the speaker and the amp models.
Jimmy Lamb Its just a guess, but I think they’re both shit but one is louder, just as the 20 watts
LA L --- you better let your guessing...
yes, this would be really interesting. Also comparing it to the Champion 20 in lower volumes. Did you find this comparison somewhere?
I had the 40. Not a fan.
I just feel like the eq was set up inappropriately. The fender tended toi have more highs dialed in and the bass a little low then the opposite on the Boss. I think eq at midpoint is the preferred setup toi compare because the eq differences were very obvious thorough the mics. And why peg out the master on the boss? Instead of riding the boss master lower with the volume set higher up? I have that boss I feel I get way better sound that way. There are no tubes toi saturate the sound with so it's pointless other than the clean setup.
The Fender has a Celestion speaker...which is much better than any other stock speakers
We're talking music here, and people often forget about that... So clarity is a must... Champion handled it well... Not that the Katana didn't but Champion is better on clean, and what better way to decide other than on a clean channel?
These are shockingly good amps for the price. I’d use either one. I don’t like to play metal so...
What about loud and clean, miked up in a live environment? I'd mainly use reverb and little gain/distortion....
A GREAT VID WOULD BE STICKING A SUPER CHAMP XD OR X2 NEXT TO THESE TWO..
Someone should compare a Katana 50 to a Katana 50! That way it would be apples to apples! 😜
Why don’t they compare a Apple and a Apple and then they would be comparing apples to apples.
Absolutely beautiful video... Thanks a lot, man. You have a new sub.
Complaints are often better than no one saying anything. Nice vid as always. Just one complaint. The Boss had the bass up to 3 O'clock and was too fat to sound similar while the Fender bass was kept at noon. Not sure why that was the case. The full volume was fair and nice, as you bumped the Boss bass back to noon. No preference between these two. Very different but both good... until the 12:00 mark. Then the Fender gave out.
Very interesting when you compare it to the video that Anderton's did, where the Fender sounded better in all scenarios (imo). Here the Katana blows the Fender away.
I agree...glad I watched this. Andertons video didn't fo the Katana justice.
Thanks for doing this. What you heard, much different than what I heard. Not the best way to Buy, but it helped.
Nice comparison, depend of us (what style) , the choice. M Thanks
Something's way off with the recording, both amps sound like they'd been covered with blankets. Are the mics too far from the cabs? (Also the limiter kills any tone comparison purposes of the recording, sorry.)
The katana seems more versatile with it's own recording output and effects but the Fender just sounds better.
I can't rig up a mic in my room though so I need an output. Guess the katana will do
That Beetronics Tee is so effing cool!
what a great review for those. Im subbing this glorious channel.
They are both comparable. The problem (many people make) is that the boss is mired way off center. The speaker is to the left in the cab for some reason. Having said that, I'd love to see this again.
Nice comparison, Ryan!
hi Ryan, I am not expert but I think the reason why the katana sound boxy than brighter sound of the fender is because of how you set the Bass and Treble. In the fender you set the treble high while on katana is lower and on fender's bass it's lower while on katana it's higher. Just my opinion.
I would like to make a complaint: the font used , with regards to the lettering on the control panels are different. Hence unfair and unbalanced review. I’m deeply upset by this.
The Champion XL 100 with two Midnight 60 Celestion speakers crushes.
You hit the nail right on the head with that opening statement...lol
Fender all the way... It Rocks the blues... 👍
No Mid range control on the Fender? Erg..... That's a negative to me. Anything can work pretty good as long as you have EQ/tone controls.
lots of classic fenders don't have mid control, i think thats what they were going for there.
EQ pedal?
No no no, not a fair test. The katana uses a slightly thicker glue in construction than the Fender.
the knobs are also completely different, how dare I compare amps with different knobs.
I listened to another channel that did a review of the Fender Champion XL 50 and it sounded way better than this.
For a person that mainly plays blues and low-gain stuff, the Fender takes the win. For some reason it sounds more honest and up-front while the Katana sounds held back and dark
Though the Fender doesn't fit metal at all. It's more focussed on the higher pitches and loses its low-end
in your opinion, which is better for a good bluesey tone? i'm really interested in getting a telecaster. ( not sure which but most likely the player) ?
Definitely the Fender.
Do both have full range speakers designed to playback MP3 etc. through an aux in, as that results in a more versatile speaker design being used than a purely 🎸 focus speaker?
I saw another video about the fender amps & the "flubbiness" goes away if you dial the bass down a bit, apparently.
Ide like to here a Gibson les Paul or sg through them
I saw that, 'it's farty because you had the bass up too high.' 🙄
Why do people react to any negative criticism of gear they like as if they themselves manufactured that gear?
Fender all the way...put it on last Brit setting, dial in a fat lead tone with some delay, and you can roll off your guitar volume for blues.
Fender got that "scooped" thing goin', Boss got them "mids" goin'.
Thanks for this. By the way, any views on the Fender Champion 40, compared to the 50XL.
They both sound good the Kitana wins form with the watt changing capabalities
The Fender is more full. But the Katana is more low ended
Being a fan of those companies and amps I other container 100 but I'm sure if I had the fender I'd like that one too my opinion there's no bad choice here.
But the thing is you can do so much with the Katana and make it sound way better, with all the options you have available.
The speakers in the Fender Champion are awesome Celestion speackers, while on the Katana 50 and 100 there's a worse speaker (on the Artist and the 2x12 cab for the head there are upgradeed and better sounding ones). Personally I prefer the Katana for what it offers, the distorted tones and for the quality. Personally I would take a Katana Head pair it with a cab with Celestion speakers (that's what actually what I did). However if I had to compare the clean tones of the Fender Champion 50/100 XL and the Boss Katana 50/100 (combo), I'd absolutely choose Fender.
I have both of them and love them both.
I was thinking I’d like the Boss but to my ears that Fender sounds better until they get loudest . Then maybe the Boss .
thanks for doing this vid. *very* helpful.
there is no greater sound than Fender clean. It's the king.
Complaint!!! These are both modeling amps. No one should buy one if you aren't looking for onboard effects right? I have a Fender Champ XD and an X2. They both fold up if using effects except for when you barely turn them on, and at volume forget it. Great cleaner and drive/gain.. But the effects are lacking, and you can't read any of the letters around the knobs without a magnifying glass. Both are fun though. I don't have a Boss Katana 50 MKII yet, it's on the way, but it looks like the effects will work much better on the Boss. I certainly hope so. If not it was a waste of money for me. I have other amps and a pedal board with plenty of pedals I wasted money on. I want a small affordable bedroom amp that has effects onboard. Hoping the BK will do that for me. So what exactly is my complaint? I dunno, except you aren't focusing on teh effects maybe? thanks for the video and I hope you can sleep at night after my scathing review!! And..... why do all teh reviews of amps, only let you hear the amps with a mic? That changes everything. Thumbs up anyway! You done pretty good!
Wow, didn't expect this, but I didn't like the Katana much in either clean or crunch setting. Playing in a band I'd expect the Katana to be further down in the mix, and the Fender to be heard better. Of course, this is through you tube...
Overall the Fender sounds better to my ears... but your limiter pretty much ruined the hi-gain part of the shootout.
I have one of the Fender XL 50s and its a great little amp. Genuinely not the loudest, at 12 o clock the volume is still room friendly, my old orange 20w couldn't get past 3. Both are solid state. The effects aren't great either, but some of the AMP sims are really good and the plain, main channel is a great pedal platform. It works for me cuz I'm a pedal guy, but like to opt for a second dirtier channel from time to time too. I usually just keep the amp sim settings on the compressor setting just to tighten it up when using alot of dirt.
Fender sounded warmer, but both seem to be pretty good amps.
The Katana definitely has more bottom end.
Good, are those 50w enough for rehearsals and playing in small places or will it fall short? Which do you recommend to put pedals, fender or boss katana 50? Thank you
Diego López not sure about the fender, but i know that the katana is easily loud enough to play live. As for pedals you dont really need them with the katana cos there are so many good built in fx
a BIG part of the settings on the Katana that to me you have wrong here- and it makes a HUGE difference- the volume should be dimed and the master volume lowered- you have the opposite here. It makes a difference because then the amp works more like a real tube amp and it's like having the power section way up- then the entire amp character and response is much better, fuller and more touch sensitive. It also give a much better feel to playing.
yjmsrv I’ve seen people argue it both ways, I prefer it with the master turned up.
Channel volume up and master down. There might be a few who like it the other way, but honestly the warmer, fuller, responsive tones are in the push of the first stage.
There was a guy from Boss in the store when I tried it out and bought mine that said to get the fullness of the Katana's the Master should be dimed then inch the volume up which gives all the models a fuller sound, as opposed to the age old volume dimed then inch Master up n to me he was right about the difference in the amps sound
I have an old princeton chorus, it gets farty when I turn the bass up. This is a great video, the katana sounds better to me plus no mid knob is a deal breaker
I just snagged an old Princeton Chorus and love it.
I have a compliant.- One of them seem to be a bit taller than the other.
The Fender is thiner, i rather prefer the Katana
only on this video is it thinner. Check some others out.
@13:35 this guy made my day!
ME THINKS THE FENDER HAS VERY LITTLE SUSTAIN BECAUSE OF THE CABINET WOOD BEING ALMOST NON-EXISTANT .. KATANA SEEMS TO HAVE A DEEPER RESONANCE , SINCE IT HAS AN ACTUAL CABINET - MORE SUSTAIN ... BOTH SOUND GOOD & BAD AT DIFFERENT SETTINGS.. ALMOST A CRAP SHOOT .. THANKS FOR THE VIDEO .. I AM IN FULL AGREEMENT WITH YOU ..