I have to make the decision at 18 whether to go to the med school I got into (in Australia) or go through the process of becoming a nurse practitioner. How were you able to make the decision to reject md school
Im starting at the very bottom. I’m 26 and started school this past spring . I have a full time job with an 11 month old son so I chose to take as many classes that I thought would best fit my schedule and not overwhelm me, which is 2 classes per semester (quality over quantity). I’m currently taking all my pre reqs to take the TEAS, so far I’m 3 for 3 with A’s :). I didn’t go to school earlier because I got caught up with life, but I’m happy I can concentrate now. Me and my fiancé are both working toward becoming RNs first.
Hey don’t worry about starting late. I started when I was 26 two years ago and halfway done through my undergrad. Wanting to go PA, I’ve got 2 kids, we got this!
I'm currently starting my career in the health field. I have my state testing to become a CNA this week. It's a small step, but its a start. I'm planning on getting my RN and then onto my PA. thanks for the video, i was worried i may be a little too old to be getting into this as my new career lol
I was having hard time deciding whether I want to a pursue a Nursing degree or Dental Hygiene. After watching this video I came to conclusion that I want to become a Registered Nurse, and then go back to school after 2 years for my Masters in becoming a NP, specializing in Surgery or the Dermatology field. Thank you Dr. Webb and to the wonderful NP and PA in this video for helping me make my decision!
I found most of my friends who didn't have a nursing degree went PA and those who did went NP. It ultimately came down to the number of years of education left. Though there are few nurses that go the PA route many of them told me they see the pay between PA and NP is about the same and can't justify the extra year of classes (stats, bio, chem, Ochem). So why would a nurse become a PA? Many docs I've talked to said if they could do it again they would have done nursing instead. One doc I talked to said he would have loved to be a CRNA. It seems money is becoming less and less of an issue, and lifestyle is taking the limelight. On many student doctor forums they are choosing the cushiest lifestyle (derm, radio, optho, and ENT). Not that these are easy but they provide good compensation and consistent hours so they can spend more time with their families. Which is why many of my friends i know chose PA over MD. I'm heavily interested in ortho and surgery, however there are days that I ask myself what about when I start a family? will there be any week that isn't 50+ hours? I would appreciate any advice. thank you.
raz gaz I feel like that extra year of sciences though is an important distinction. That additional prerequisite education is at least part of why PA’s can practice across a wide range of disciplines where NP’s have to choose a focus area for their scope of practice. That’s a driving reason I’m choosing PA.
If you are interested in a surgical orientation of practice such as Orthopedics, you would be wise to choose a PA program that has a heavy emphasis on surgical rotations. And if you are interested in a 40 hour week, surgery is not for you. With a surgical group, PAs are in clinic, in surgery, hospital rounds and usually take call. When I was employed in Ortho/Orthopedic Oncology and Spine, my work week was at least 70+ hours a week plus call. Almost 20 years of that schedule was brutal, but I didn’t realize how tired I was until I stopped and transitioned into an ER job which was 3 twelve hour shifts a week....to me that was a vacation! 😂
@@JustinMorgan105kg If an NP wants a different scope of practice : 1) look for it, 2) if additional training is needed it can be possible with additional training.
Things have changed so much in both fields. I remember when a PA was an associate's degree program, and there were still hospital diploma nursing programs. The most important thing for any provider, especially a midlevel provider is to KNOW WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW! Yes NP's are nurses first in a sense, and I am biased, but I think it only improves the care provided. Perhaps because I did a post-bacc first but I challenge others here who look at today's BSN to MSN prepared NP and not think of them as studying science and earning science degrees, I have another bachelor's, that one in social science, and nursing is very different.
I am happy to hear that. I am 32 and going to start taking pre-med to hopefully become a PA. Time is going to go on anyway so use it to keep studying or not and I am choosing to keep going :)
Hey Dr. Webb I love the videos! Can you do a video on a MD anesthesiologist verses a CRNA ? Also can you describe your interactions with both in the OR and PACU setting ?
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These videos are great. Keep them coming. Would love to see you incorporate an episode with an international student sharing their story of life as a medical doctor in the States. >Watching in Jamaica
Good suggestion! I will look into this! Make sure to subscribe to be on the look out for this and upcoming new videos posted every MWF at 5pm CST! A. Webb www.antoniowebbmd.com twitter.com/drwebb82 facebook.com/awebbmd ua-cam.com/users/antoniowebbmd instagram.com/overcomingtheoddsbook
Thank you for sharing this video! I' a 20 year old Biology major and still deciding if I want to to the Physician route or NP or possibly PA. This video helped a lot as far as explaining the flexibility, less schooling, and etc...
@@TheRealtalk5 There are accelerated programs where if you already have a bachelors degree in something else, as long as you have the prerequisites, you can get a MSN without being an RN first . Look into it.
As a practicing PA I have to say that I disagree with the lady who stated that “PAs and NPs are almost synonymous”. They are not. From the didactic training to the medical/surgical rotations, to the philosophy and mindset of each profession. Simply stated, PAs are trained in the medical school model and NPs are trained in the nursing philosophy. When formal education is completed, PAs are prepared to enter any field of medicine they choose and can cross over to other specialties or sub specialties as they choose. NPs are restricted to practice in the specialty that they chose to study initially in school and cannot practice another specialty unless they undergo further education. This is all not to say that one profession is more preferable than the other, but it is to point out that the preference of one over the other is probably in the eye of the beholder (employer). In other words, what need is being filled and which profession best suits what the employer is looking for. And, for the prospective student who is thinking of future employment which profession is more attractive to their personality and skills as well as portability of their training to adapt to all areas of medicine.
Teresa Henderson if you get your family nurse practitioner degree you can choose to specialize in numerous different fields. You don’t have to choose early in school.
This is false. NP's are not restricted. MY mother is a Family NP and works in all area's of medicine. She can certainly obtained certifications/crednetials in specific specialties but by doing Family Medicine, she is free do enter any area of medical with of course a few exceptions such as anesthesiology is a specific NP program.
Could not agree more with the way statement in regards to training. PAs are trained to think like doctors, and NPs follow the nursing model. At the core of the NP’s training is the RN. For those stating that the original poster’s statement was false, you are inaccurate. PAs are essentially allowed to move around any speciality at will, with anesthesia being a noted exception - and even then there is room. APRNs (which comprises NPs, CRNAs, and CNMs) specialize in a specific population - peds, psych, acute care, women’s health, family, etc. Once outside that scope they are unable to legally practice. FNPs are definitely versatile, and really the outpatient NP of choice, as they can see all ages. However it is much more difficult for them to find jobs on hospital units, ICUs, surgical units, and EDs. The acute care NP would now be the NP of choice for those areas, as it aligns with their training. PAs can move around specialities at will, which allows for enormous flexibility and movement. NP possibly gives you more autonomy if you choose to take it, but the most clinically versatile position is the PA. As more clinical diversity is obtained by the PA, employers definitely start to take note. If you are wanting to do surgery, than hands down go the PA route.
@@metorphoric The interesting truth is that PA's are trained in the medical model of medicine, which is the same model of medicine of Physicians. PA's curriculum was designed in the same manner to how they accelerated the training of physicians during WW2 (Fast Track). PA's are trained in a generalized approach to medicine and MD's are trained with a specific approach. PA's sit in the same classes with MD's but split off as time progresses in there training. PA's have 1 didactic (Book learning) year and 1 clinical year (2,000 hrs of hand on clinical experience) and MD's have 2 years of didactic and 2 years of clinical. PA's can enter the workforce immediately upon graduation and largely continue to learn from their physician counterparts, however there are PA's who do go into specific residencies (emergency medicine, orthopedics, OB/GYN, etc). PA's largely have collaborative agreements with physician/hospitals in order to practice medicine. MD's are required to go into a residency before they practice which can last 3 years or longer. NP's follow the nursing model that is only specific to nursing. This is the patient centered approach but not the medical approach, which is disease/pathology centered (Medical Model). Nurse practitioners need to be nurses first but the nursing boards do not have any specific edict that nurses need a specific amount of hands on experience to become nurse practitioners. Nurse practitioners need 500-750 hours of hands on experience are are often granted full autonomy after passing boards. This is extremely troubling as Nurse practitioners are not trained in medicine and require the least amount of hands on experience and can see patients in 33 states with no requirements to consult a physician.
Currently in nursing school for my RN to achieve my career goal of becoming a PMHNP. What I have learned from my path in life when achieving a goal is you never know how your goal will be reached. The path to achieving your goal is unpredictable but worth it.
Hey Dr.Webb , I just wanted to say thanks ! I really enjoy the content and information you give us. Especially this one because I’m deciding whether becoming a doctor or PA is better for me
You are very welcome! Thanks for watching! Please share so we can continue to grow and I can put out more videos like this! Also, don't forget to subscribe as I will be posting new videos every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday at 5pm CST! Dr. Webb's new book, Overcoming the Odds (ranked 5 STARS!) is available NOW at: www.amazon.com/Antonio-J.-Webb/e/B00OYN1LRA Dr. Webb www.antoniowebbmd.com twitter.com/drwebb82 facebook.com/awebbmd ua-cam.com/users/antoniowebbmd instagram.com/overcomingtheoddsbook
It is my understanding that in some states, an NP can practice independently without a MD. A PA must always practices under a MD. (but I can be wrong about this so please correct me if so). Also, a NP can go on to get their Doctorate in Nursing (DNP) whereas their isn't a doctorate level for PA (that would be MD).
There is a doctorate for PA as there is NP. It’s not medical doctor. The doctorate in either profession though is basically to work in either research or teaching. A NP or PA with a doctorate should NOT call themself “doctor” in clinical practice. It should be reserved for educational settings only. In my opinion, there’s no point of getting a doctorate unless you want to maybe be a program director (doctorate isn’t required either) or something similar. Better off just getting more education by actually working as a PA or NP.
@@flo_joe they did the same with PT, and I heard are doing the same with NP. Possibly PA eventually as time goes on. I honestly think mostly it’s more money for the schools because students are there longer
hello Dr Webb, really great vids , thank you. i aspire to be an orthopaedic surgeon and you are the right person to confront. i wish to know the tough sides of orthopaedics
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Good video. Only thing you did not touch on, and for some reason most don't, is scope of practice. I know it varies by state, bt how much different is the scope of practice between a PA and a NP?
The main difference is that the scope of practice of NPs differs between states in the US(not sure about other countries) while PAs must practice under a physician in the US.
Is PA or NP better if you want to work in the OR? Would one allow you to do more than the other? You should totally make a video on what an NP or PA can do in the OR!!
Personally I feel like PA. I don’t believe NPs have a surgery rotation. Of course as a PA you will be first assist but we must do a surgery rotation. I really enjoyed mine and May go into general surgery some day :)
i'm struggling with my decision! i'm a RN but i feel like i've kinda mastered nursing... i wanna know the pathophysiology behind things. but i'm still confused lol
Roy Johnson without the stress of $100,000s of dollars of debt steadily accruing through 3-7 years of residency where you’re only making ~$50k. Most doctors are paying huge sums month after month for decades.
At present, PAs have to take Board recertification through testing every 10 years. I have to tell you, it is a tremendous pain to sit for that exam that covers every speciality of medicine. However, there is now a large movement in our profession to make recertification less stressful and job threatening should you not pass the PANRE (recent test). This change is still in transition, so stay tuned! Oh, and for NPs as I understand it, they take their entry certification test and keep up their licensing after that with only CME requirements.
Teresa Henderson Thanks for your response! I am a junior in high school now and am aspiring to become either a NP or a PA. Are the exams enough to deter me from being a PA?
Donald Trump No it should not deter you because by the time you apply to PA school, all of this testing controversy will have been settled and will not be as overwhelming and stressful as it is now. In addition to all that, there will be a name change to the profession that will better reflect what our role in medicine has become. This change should probably be in the next 1-2 years. Good Luck, study hard!
Ahmed Naeem NO, to qualify to sit for the NCCPA exam, one must have graduated from an accredited PAProgram, no exceptions. A few years back, foreign medical graduates who were not picked up for residencies petitioned to take the Board exam and this was successfully repelled by the NCCPA. Just because one graduated from a foreign medical school does not qualify that person to be a PA and the PA profession should never be thought of as a stepping stone to any other profession.
I chose np over being a doctor cuz they have full practicing authority and it way less schooling. Medical school is so much debt and they are being rapidly replaced in some fields by nps
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If bedside nursing does not appeal to you, or if you are going into nursing with the plan to turn around and go into advanced practice, please don’t go to nursing school. Do not waste a seat in a training program for a valuable profession (nursing) that has a major shortage. Much of the nurse practitioner curriculum depends on having thousands of hours of patient care in nursing already. If you want to practice medicine without an MD, go to PA school.
-- I’m not saying that you can’t have your eye on being a nurse practitioner in the future. Just don’t expect to graduate nursing school and immediately (less than a year or two post-graduation) go right back for advanced practice. If you want to be a bedside nurse, go for it. NP is an option later. But if you’re pretty sure you’re going to hate bedside nursing, just skip it entirely. And whatever you do, never call it “mid level.” That term really triggers a lot of people and is inaccurate. People don’t go to an MD to get a “high level diagnosis” and an NP for a “mid level diagnosis.” They are both held to the same standard of care while practicing in their fields.
@@TheVillainOfTheYear NPs are midlevel. Get over your ego. Go to med school and get the standard education of a physician if you want to be seen as equal to physicians. Most people will always see you and PAs as inferior to physicians. If that hurts your pride, then youre going into the profession for the wrong reason
I don't agree. The PA and NP courses are very different. Depending on your mathematical strengths you might be better going the NP route or PA route. Also nurses have unions meaning they have alot of advocacy that other careers don't there is a large community of nurses in every state that can provide support and guidance unlike PAs. In 2016 there were 115,547 PAs in the US vs 290,000s NPs this can be attributed to job satisfaction and more college nursing programs are offered per state than PA programs. As a student you have to do what is best for you and your family, flexibility wise and financial wise, your concern should not be with "taking a spot from someone"!
I finally ended up choosing PA over MD.
Both are great fields! I work with alot of wonderful PAs
Congrats #TeamPA
Omg same
I have to make the decision at 18 whether to go to the med school I got into (in Australia) or go through the process of becoming a nurse practitioner. How were you able to make the decision to reject md school
Im starting at the very bottom. I’m 26 and started school this past spring . I have a full time job with an 11 month old son so I chose to take as many classes that I thought would best fit my schedule and not overwhelm me, which is 2 classes per semester (quality over quantity). I’m currently taking all my pre reqs to take the TEAS, so far I’m 3 for 3 with A’s :).
I didn’t go to school earlier because I got caught up with life, but I’m happy I can concentrate now. Me and my fiancé are both working toward becoming RNs first.
Hey don’t worry about starting late. I started when I was 26 two years ago and halfway done through my undergrad. Wanting to go PA, I’ve got 2 kids, we got this!
@@richardsanchez7782 hell yeah, I’m rooting for you!
That’s wonderful Josiah. I’m currently in the same boat I’m taking my pre reqs for the nursing program. I’m 24 years old
I'm currently starting my career in the health field. I have my state testing to become a CNA this week. It's a small step, but its a start. I'm planning on getting my RN and then onto my PA. thanks for the video, i was worried i may be a little too old to be getting into this as my new career lol
Awesome! Keep up the great work!
That's a good plan.
I believe you can skip RN and go into applying for PA. CNA patient experience will satisfy the prerequisits for applying to PA school.
CNA will help when you go to apply for PA school because you need clinical hours typically
@@antoniowebbmd from Rn to PA. Isn't less time to go directly to the NP route?
I was having hard time deciding whether I want to a pursue a Nursing degree or Dental Hygiene. After watching this video I came to conclusion that I want to become a Registered Nurse, and then go back to school after 2 years for my Masters in becoming a NP, specializing in Surgery or the Dermatology field. Thank you Dr. Webb and to the wonderful NP and PA in this video for helping me make my decision!
I found most of my friends who didn't have a nursing degree went PA and those who did went NP. It ultimately came down to the number of years of education left. Though there are few nurses that go the PA route many of them told me they see the pay between PA and NP is about the same and can't justify the extra year of classes (stats, bio, chem, Ochem). So why would a nurse become a PA? Many docs I've talked to said if they could do it again they would have done nursing instead. One doc I talked to said he would have loved to be a CRNA. It seems money is becoming less and less of an issue, and lifestyle is taking the limelight. On many student doctor forums they are choosing the cushiest lifestyle (derm, radio, optho, and ENT). Not that these are easy but they provide good compensation and consistent hours so they can spend more time with their families. Which is why many of my friends i know chose PA over MD. I'm heavily interested in ortho and surgery, however there are days that I ask myself what about when I start a family? will there be any week that isn't 50+ hours? I would appreciate any advice. thank you.
raz gaz I feel like that extra year of sciences though is an important distinction. That additional prerequisite education is at least part of why PA’s can practice across a wide range of disciplines where NP’s have to choose a focus area for their scope of practice. That’s a driving reason I’m choosing PA.
As an RN you have those prereqs... at least the ones I'm familiar with
If you are interested in a surgical orientation of practice such as Orthopedics, you would be wise to choose a PA program that has a heavy emphasis on surgical rotations. And if you are interested in a 40 hour week, surgery is not for you. With a surgical group, PAs are in clinic, in surgery, hospital rounds and usually take call. When I was employed in Ortho/Orthopedic Oncology and Spine, my work week was at least 70+ hours a week plus call. Almost 20 years of that schedule was brutal, but I didn’t realize how tired I was until I stopped and transitioned into an ER job which was 3 twelve hour shifts a week....to me that was a vacation! 😂
@@JustinMorgan105kg If an NP wants a different scope of practice : 1) look for it, 2) if additional training is needed it can be possible with additional training.
Peace be to you Dr.Webb! Thanks again for yet ANOTHER awesome and thought-provoking video!
Thank you!
Omar Abdul-Malik DHEd, MPAS, PA-C
I'm from India and I want to be a physician assistant
Plz tell me scope in india plz
All in One you want him to tell you what PAs do in India but you live in India? 😳
Nima
Didn't understand
Things have changed so much in both fields. I remember when a PA was an associate's degree program, and there were still hospital diploma nursing programs. The most important thing for any provider, especially a midlevel provider is to KNOW WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW! Yes NP's are nurses first in a sense, and I am biased, but I think it only improves the care provided. Perhaps because I did a post-bacc first but I challenge others here who look at today's BSN to MSN prepared NP and not think of them as studying science and earning science degrees, I have another bachelor's, that one in social science, and nursing is very different.
I am happy to hear that. I am 32 and going to start taking pre-med to hopefully become a PA. Time is going to go on anyway so use it to keep studying or not and I am choosing to keep going :)
I am currently a medical assistant wanting to go to school to become a PA.
Awesome! You can do it!
Antonio J. Webb, M.D. thank you!
Love this! I just turned 38 and a single mom, I've been a massage therapist for a year and now looking to get my BSN - thanks for the great vids.
Hey Dr. Webb I love the videos! Can you do a video on a MD anesthesiologist verses a CRNA ? Also can you describe your interactions with both in the OR and PACU setting ?
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Awesome video. I'm almost 36 and have been a Medical Social Worker for 11 years. I'm looking into both PA and NP as a career change.
What is a 'Medical Social Worker'?
@@maryem8263 a social worker in a medical/health care setting (ie hospital, hospice, primary care, etc .)
Awesome! Good luck!
Wow i remember watching this channel years ago when I was deciding between PA or Medical School.
You've come a long way Dr. Webb!
@sonya brown PA school, currently in first year
Ada does not look 38!!
No, she does not!
These videos are great. Keep them coming. Would love to see you incorporate an episode with an international student sharing their story of life as a medical doctor in the States. >Watching in Jamaica
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Thank you for sharing this video! I' a 20 year old Biology major and still deciding if I want to to the Physician route or NP or possibly PA. This video helped a lot as far as explaining the flexibility, less schooling, and etc...
Good stuff! You got this! 🙏🏾
In the US are you allowed to become a Nurse Practitioner without first being an RN?
@@TheRealtalk5 No, you must become a RN first then go for the NP, One can't go without the other.
@@davidsanchez586 So therefore opposed to her comment, you cannot be a biology major and go right into NP. That's what I thought. @misshoornazBeauty
@@TheRealtalk5 There are accelerated programs where if you already have a bachelors degree in something else, as long as you have the prerequisites, you can get a MSN without being an RN first . Look into it.
Thank you so much for this video. Im a nurse and Im thinking of continuing my education and becoming a PA or NP
As a practicing PA I have to say that I disagree with the lady who stated that “PAs and NPs are almost synonymous”. They are not. From the didactic training to the medical/surgical rotations, to the philosophy and mindset of each profession. Simply stated, PAs are trained in the medical school model and NPs are trained in the nursing philosophy. When formal education is completed, PAs are prepared to enter any field of medicine they choose and can cross over to other specialties or sub specialties as they choose. NPs are restricted to practice in the specialty that they chose to study initially in school and cannot practice another specialty unless they undergo further education. This is all not to say that one profession is more preferable than the other, but it is to point out that the preference of one over the other is probably in the eye of the beholder (employer). In other words, what need is being filled and which profession best suits what the employer is looking for. And, for the prospective student who is thinking of future employment which profession is more attractive to their personality and skills as well as portability of their training to adapt to all areas of medicine.
Teresa Henderson if you get your family nurse practitioner degree you can choose to specialize in numerous different fields. You don’t have to choose early in school.
As a Family Nurse Practitiner you can work in any speciality. You can even work in interventional radiology performing minimally invasive procedures.
This is false. NP's are not restricted. MY mother is a Family NP and works in all area's of medicine. She can certainly obtained certifications/crednetials in specific specialties but by doing Family Medicine, she is free do enter any area of medical with of course a few exceptions such as anesthesiology is a specific NP program.
Could not agree more with the way statement in regards to training. PAs are trained to think like doctors, and NPs follow the nursing model. At the core of the NP’s training is the RN. For those stating that the original poster’s statement was false, you are inaccurate. PAs are essentially allowed to move around any speciality at will, with anesthesia being a noted exception - and even then there is room. APRNs (which comprises NPs, CRNAs, and CNMs) specialize in a specific population - peds, psych, acute care, women’s health, family, etc. Once outside that scope they are unable to legally practice. FNPs are definitely versatile, and really the outpatient NP of choice, as they can see all ages. However it is much more difficult for them to find jobs on hospital units, ICUs, surgical units, and EDs. The acute care NP would now be the NP of choice for those areas, as it aligns with their training. PAs can move around specialities at will, which allows for enormous flexibility and movement. NP possibly gives you more autonomy if you choose to take it, but the most clinically versatile position is the PA. As more clinical diversity is obtained by the PA, employers definitely start to take note. If you are wanting to do surgery, than hands down go the PA route.
@@metorphoric The interesting truth is that PA's are trained in the medical model of medicine, which is the same model of medicine of Physicians. PA's curriculum was designed in the same manner to how they accelerated the training of physicians during WW2 (Fast Track). PA's are trained in a generalized approach to medicine and MD's are trained with a specific approach. PA's sit in the same classes with MD's but split off as time progresses in there training. PA's have 1 didactic (Book learning) year and 1 clinical year (2,000 hrs of hand on clinical experience) and MD's have 2 years of didactic and 2 years of clinical. PA's can enter the workforce immediately upon graduation and largely continue to learn from their physician counterparts, however there are PA's who do go into specific residencies (emergency medicine, orthopedics, OB/GYN, etc). PA's largely have collaborative agreements with physician/hospitals in order to practice medicine. MD's are required to go into a residency before they practice which can last 3 years or longer.
NP's follow the nursing model that is only specific to nursing. This is the patient centered approach but not the medical approach, which is disease/pathology centered (Medical Model). Nurse practitioners need to be nurses first but the nursing boards do not have any specific edict that nurses need a specific amount of hands on experience to become nurse practitioners. Nurse practitioners need 500-750 hours of hands on experience are are often granted full autonomy after passing boards. This is extremely troubling as Nurse practitioners are not trained in medicine and require the least amount of hands on experience and can see patients in 33 states with no requirements to consult a physician.
Just finished my junior year of nursing school and trying to figure out my next move. Thanks for the information!!
Currently in nursing school for my RN to achieve my career goal of becoming a PMHNP. What I have learned from my path in life when achieving a goal is you never know how your goal will be reached. The path to achieving your goal is unpredictable but worth it.
I Start Pre- PA this month!
100k? That’s low for specialty NP. My wife is starting at $140k in Indiana as interventional cardiac NP
I appreciate all this great info!
Hey Dr.Webb , I just wanted to say thanks ! I really enjoy the content and information you give us. Especially this one because I’m deciding whether becoming a doctor or PA is better for me
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Wait but like this was really helpful, thank youu
Thank you! Thanks for watching!
I'm a graduate with bachelor's degree in Biochemistry and I'm 23, I feel like doing PA is the best yi do with Bachelor's degree.
Im 13 and im here to find out what to do in the future world. Suggestions please!
Just worry about being a kid and get A's in school
Enjoy being a kid and do well in school. It will come to you don't stress
Thank you for your video!! I have made up my mind on what route I am going to take.
I’m 32 and I’m very interested in changing careers to be a PA or CRNA. Thanks for this!
It is my understanding that in some states, an NP can practice independently without a MD. A PA must always practices under a MD. (but I can be wrong about this so please correct me if so). Also, a NP can go on to get their Doctorate in Nursing (DNP) whereas their isn't a doctorate level for PA (that would be MD).
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Thats true. These are other distinctive differences between a PA and a NP
There is a doctorate for PA as there is NP. It’s not medical doctor. The doctorate in either profession though is basically to work in either research or teaching. A NP or PA with a doctorate should NOT call themself “doctor” in clinical practice. It should be reserved for educational settings only. In my opinion, there’s no point of getting a doctorate unless you want to maybe be a program director (doctorate isn’t required either) or something similar. Better off just getting more education by actually working as a PA or NP.
@@MHSMagicLuver exactly which is why I’m not understanding that CRNA schools have to change their programs to doctorate by 2025
@@flo_joe they did the same with PT, and I heard are doing the same with NP. Possibly PA eventually as time goes on. I honestly think mostly it’s more money for the schools because students are there longer
Great information! Thank you!
You are welcome!
PA all day
Enjoy being an assistant.
Roy Johnson not really an assistant. they are probably no different than an NP besides the fact that they can’t start their own practice.
@@NapFroCentrics whats wrong with being an assistant? isnt that what they signed up for?
hello Dr Webb, really great vids , thank you. i aspire to be an orthopaedic surgeon and you are the right person to confront. i wish to know the tough sides of orthopaedics
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thank you, its really encouraging hearing it from someone who has made it. Please continue with your good work
Love this video this helps me so much
Thanks!
Thanks for making this video!
No prob!
Good video. Only thing you did not touch on, and for some reason most don't, is scope of practice. I know it varies by state, bt how much different is the scope of practice between a PA and a NP?
The main difference is that the scope of practice of NPs differs between states in the US(not sure about other countries) while PAs must practice under a physician in the US.
Only $85k a year? The NPs I know are making >$100k...This is in California though.
Yes, it varies by where you live and work
It also depends on your specialty
Did she say starting salary for PA in Texas is 90 grand and it increases or DECREASES based on your role (4:18)?
Hey Dr. Webb I love and thank you for your videos. I was wondering of its possible to start as a nurse then end up as a doctor.
Yes! In fact, thats what I did! Check out this video here:
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Is PA or NP better if you want to work in the OR? Would one allow you to do more than the other? You should totally make a video on what an NP or PA can do in the OR!!
Personally I feel like PA. I don’t believe NPs have a surgery rotation. Of course as a PA you will be first assist but we must do a surgery rotation. I really enjoyed mine and May go into general surgery some day :)
Definitely PA.
Loved this video, but what the music in the beginning?
Nice video!
i'm struggling with my decision! i'm a RN but i feel like i've kinda mastered nursing... i wanna know the pathophysiology behind things. but i'm still confused lol
Hey, I love both PA and NP. But I chose the nursing route because it's quicker. Have you thought of NP school or CRNA?
kermelle nelzy i thought about np do y know how long the school is
@@milly4295 2-3 years depends on if you decide to go part time or full time
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sounds like they do everything the doctor does tbh
Everything the doctor doesn't want to do/have time to do, yes.
@@royjohnson9043 lol 😂😂 😂
@@justinabenson7229 for 1/3-1/4th the pay
Roy Johnson without the stress of $100,000s of dollars of debt steadily accruing through 3-7 years of residency where you’re only making ~$50k. Most doctors are paying huge sums month after month for decades.
In your book do you talk about life in college or your personal life ? Or mostly life as a kid and growing up ?
Yes, I talk about life in college, medical school, residency and some about growing up as well
I’m getting it soon, keep up the good work and love your videos
Awesome. Thx for the support! Please let me know any particular topics you would like me to do videos on
I have read somewhere that PA’s have to take tests every 5 years or so to renew their license. Is this true? If so, do NP’s have to do this as well?
At present, PAs have to take Board recertification through testing every 10 years. I have to tell you, it is a tremendous pain to sit for that exam that covers every speciality of medicine. However, there is now a large movement in our profession to make recertification less stressful and job threatening should you not pass the PANRE (recent test). This change is still in transition, so stay tuned! Oh, and for NPs as I understand it, they take their entry certification test and keep up their licensing after that with only CME requirements.
Teresa Henderson Thanks for your response! I am a junior in high school now and am aspiring to become either a NP or a PA. Are the exams enough to deter me from being a PA?
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No it should not deter you because by the time you apply to PA school, all of this testing controversy will have been settled and will not be as overwhelming and stressful as it is now. In addition to all that, there will be a name change to the profession that will better reflect what our role in medicine has become. This change should probably be in the next 1-2 years. Good Luck, study hard!
Teresa Henderson Thank you!
What kind of things happen in Peds/Ortho??? Very interesting!
Can a foreigner opt for PA exam just like a foreign graduate can opt for MD through USMLE style exam
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NO, to qualify to sit for the NCCPA exam, one must have graduated from an accredited PAProgram, no exceptions. A few years back, foreign medical graduates who were not picked up for residencies petitioned to take the Board exam and this was successfully repelled by the NCCPA. Just because one graduated from a foreign medical school does not qualify that person to be a PA and the PA profession should never be thought of as a stepping stone to any other profession.
Not even in your dreams!!
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You dont have to get your bachelors some school will allow you to enroll with 90credits
Can my BSN qualify as my four years of pre med needed to get into med school?
Yes, you may have to just take a few extra classes depending on which medical school you are applying to
Antonio J. Webb, M.D. thank you Dr. I plan on attending eastern Virginia medical school.
Awesome! Keep up the good work! Thats a good school. Ive had friends attend there
Antonio J. Webb, M.D. thanks Dr. I love your videos.
Ive heard they drill RN's on why they wanted to switch from RN to MD. Not sure its truth...best wishes.
I chose np over being a doctor cuz they have full practicing authority and it way less schooling. Medical school is so much debt and they are being rapidly replaced in some fields by nps
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Doctor, at what age did you start med school?
I started at age 27
@@antoniowebbmd ok
I love how they downplay the nurse practitioner.
I want to be a rocket surgeon. Just waiting on a school to open.
Paige looks sleepy. Lol. :)
helo sir . as i asked you for video on electives , research or observerships for an IMG...
I will look into this. Thx!
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If bedside nursing does not appeal to you, or if you are going into nursing with the plan to turn around and go into advanced practice, please don’t go to nursing school. Do not waste a seat in a training program for a valuable profession (nursing) that has a major shortage. Much of the nurse practitioner curriculum depends on having thousands of hours of patient care in nursing already.
If you want to practice medicine without an MD, go to PA school.
-- I’m not saying that you can’t have your eye on being a nurse practitioner in the future. Just don’t expect to graduate nursing school and immediately (less than a year or two post-graduation) go right back for advanced practice.
If you want to be a bedside nurse, go for it. NP is an option later. But if you’re pretty sure you’re going to hate bedside nursing, just skip it entirely.
And whatever you do, never call it “mid level.” That term really triggers a lot of people and is inaccurate. People don’t go to an MD to get a “high level diagnosis” and an NP for a “mid level diagnosis.” They are both held to the same standard of care while practicing in their fields.
-- then go to PA school. Nursing considers it a misnomer. Take that advice for what you will.
-- I wish you all the best.
@@TheVillainOfTheYear NPs are midlevel. Get over your ego. Go to med school and get the standard education of a physician if you want to be seen as equal to physicians. Most people will always see you and PAs as inferior to physicians. If that hurts your pride, then youre going into the profession for the wrong reason
I don't agree. The PA and NP courses are very different. Depending on your mathematical strengths you might be better going the NP route or PA route. Also nurses have unions meaning they have alot of advocacy that other careers don't there is a large community of nurses in every state that can provide support and guidance unlike PAs. In 2016 there were 115,547 PAs in the US vs 290,000s NPs this can be attributed to job satisfaction and more college nursing programs are offered per state than PA programs. As a student you have to do what is best for you and your family, flexibility wise and financial wise, your concern should not be with "taking a spot from someone"!
NP > PA
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