Flowers of Esthelm (Spoiler Free Review)

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  • @dunkymonkey2012
    @dunkymonkey2012 2 роки тому +51

    'At the beginning of the pov I wanted to see more of the previous one, but by the end I wanted to see more of the new one' is how pretty much every pov in this series has gone for me.

    • @MattsFantasyBookReviews
      @MattsFantasyBookReviews  2 роки тому +1

      lol - yeah I have to imagine that happens to a lot of people. They are written so well!

    • @StarryxNight5
      @StarryxNight5 2 роки тому +3

      Except the K chapters. Those never really clicked for me. Everything else though? Yeah

    • @Dan_Jacob
      @Dan_Jacob 2 роки тому

      @@StarryxNight5 King of Destruction was always the worst storyline for me, but in volume six the "K" chapters start being less about KoD and opens up more to the rest of Chandrar via diplomacy/fighting, and Chandrar is such a wonderfully interesting continent. Wish KoD wasn't the first introduction to it.

    • @michaelbaziotis8287
      @michaelbaziotis8287 Рік тому

      You summed it up perfectly dunky! Except to say every new pov is as interesting as the one before it!

  • @hellfireblues77
    @hellfireblues77 2 роки тому +15

    As a subbed patron to pirateaba, and a fully caught up reader I have to say y’all are in for a hell of a ride.

    • @MattsFantasyBookReviews
      @MattsFantasyBookReviews  2 роки тому +3

      That's awesome, I can't wait!

    • @jessezigg
      @jessezigg Рік тому

      I'm SO ADDICTED, and I'm PLOWING through this on audiobook! I can't get enough. I'm listening like 18 hours/day! 😂😂😂 I'm very happy to read that it's going to continue to be AMAZING!

  • @lukeschleif683
    @lukeschleif683 Рік тому +4

    Thanks for the review! I picked up the first book after watching this review and loved it. I'm glad to see the Wandering Inn getting some love on booktube.

  • @brandonerson8581
    @brandonerson8581 2 роки тому +40

    The author has started to take scheduled breaks for health. Although they did end up writing an entire novel instead of resting during their early attempts at taking breaks.

    • @MattsFantasyBookReviews
      @MattsFantasyBookReviews  2 роки тому +14

      That's the most pirateaba thing I've ever read.

    • @Valdonkis
      @Valdonkis 2 роки тому +4

      @@MattsFantasyBookReviews Yeah, current schedule is 3 weeks of 2 chapter releases per week, then a week off. There are extra long breaks when a volume ends, and sometimes pirataba does take vacations.
      But in general--almost a perfect record with chapter releases, at least since V5 I'd say.

  • @nofrig01
    @nofrig01 2 роки тому +13

    I've heard of tis book from your top underrated fantasy series, so I decided to read the 1st book, as a lot of the popular books I tried just didn't interest me enough for me to finish them. I'm glad I did, it has become one of my favorite fantasy series. Thanks for recommending this book.

    • @MattsFantasyBookReviews
      @MattsFantasyBookReviews  2 роки тому

      That's wonderful! How far into it are you?

    • @nofrig01
      @nofrig01 2 роки тому +4

      @@MattsFantasyBookReviews I'm halfway thru book 2. I'm invested.

  • @sarull2188
    @sarull2188 2 роки тому +10

    The adventure that is catching up to the Web serial is the best reading experience I've ever had. It is such immense story with so many wonderful characters that I cried handful of times through the journey. Erin is still my favorite character because she goes through so much. First few books are just tip of the ice bergs tip and there are so much to explore to this world. I watch your review and feel envy that you haven't taken the same journey but pity that you won't ever catch up to my favorite story of all time.

    • @MattsFantasyBookReviews
      @MattsFantasyBookReviews  2 роки тому +1

      Yeah it's just too much on an investment for me to solely dedicate myself towards catching up. I'll just read the ebooks as they come out.

  • @Shoutinthewind
    @Shoutinthewind Рік тому +2

    It gets deeper than you might think. It’s unbelievably good!!

  • @reklin
    @reklin 2 роки тому +9

    1. One of the nice things about the massive chapter/book size is that it allows the story to shift from one theme to another without giving the reader tonal whiplash.
    2. Something about the girl's monster class that might not be in the ebook version is that it's written in red. Red classes or skills are bad news, and can sometimes be gained against your will.
    3. The Esthelm arc was relatively short, but it will always be one of my favorites.
    4. A lot of LitRPG authors make the mistake of thinking that "leveling up =character development". Pirateaba knows to do it the other way around, and gives level ups *because* of character development.

    • @MattsFantasyBookReviews
      @MattsFantasyBookReviews  2 роки тому +2

      The red thing is really cool, I wish the ebooks could have that sort of thing. And yeah, the leveling up because of character development is my favorite thing about the leveling up.

  • @taystee91
    @taystee91 Рік тому +3

    You are literally the only review I can find on these books and I love your reviews w no spoilers😊 I'd also like reviews w spoilers for after I get done reading .. gotta subscribe

  • @MiguelArguelles
    @MiguelArguelles 2 роки тому +11

    Phew, glad to hear you like seeing all the other viewpoints--as the series starts to grow out of its early stages of awkward/cringey writing, the reasons people drop it become less and less about "the prose is bad" and more like "the writing has gotten better, but where the hell is Erin???" (which is also the reason a friend of mine dropped it at the point where you're at)
    The series does have ups and downs, and I won't lie--on the few arcs I found unenjoyable, they were always ones where Erin wasn't around. But I think in the long run, it's great that the author does this, because as their writing skill grows, so does their audaciousness in daring to try new things, and I've found that it's paid off way more often than it hasn't.

    • @MattsFantasyBookReviews
      @MattsFantasyBookReviews  2 роки тому +2

      Yeah I could see how the lack of Eric would upset some readers who get really attached to her. But man...those new POVs are SO good that it makes me forget about her so fast.

  • @ndza702
    @ndza702 2 роки тому +4

    I thought when I caught up I'd go away and read some other stuff while it built up a bit.... I've been subbed to their patreon for like a year or 2 now. I can't help myself, I think every month I tell myself I'm not gonna resub, but knowing there's a chapter out there crushes my willpower lol.
    The lit rpg aspects are really well done, I find most of those stories have giant stat sheets that are pages long and it gets old really quick. Makes some levels up and certain class names you encounter hit better.
    Hasn't plateaued for me yet, tho some arcs/povs are better than others.
    I look forward to the next one!

    • @MiguelArguelles
      @MiguelArguelles 2 роки тому +2

      Yeah, most other LitRPGs obsess over large sheets of stats that get into STR/DEX/etc and skill trees, and so forth, and that... just doesn't do it for me. TWI isn't the first to try, but I think it's the most successful one I've read at moving the "level up IRL" concept beyond simply tickling the "number goes up = dopamine" part of the reader's brain.

    • @MattsFantasyBookReviews
      @MattsFantasyBookReviews  2 роки тому +1

      Yeah well said! I think the litrpg aspects are perfectly balanced here between being interesting yet accessible.

  • @bryanstrahm9961
    @bryanstrahm9961 2 роки тому +4

    This series is literally my #1 Recommendation to every person I meet. It's my favorite series of all time.

    • @MattsFantasyBookReviews
      @MattsFantasyBookReviews  2 роки тому +2

      It's so, so , so good and only gets better as it goes on!

    • @bryanstrahm9961
      @bryanstrahm9961 2 роки тому

      @Matt's Fantasy Book Reviews oh yeah. And as a patron of Pirate for many years, and as someone who stays updated with every chapter release, let me say, that stays true even into the latest volume.

  • @LaBambaCL
    @LaBambaCL 2 роки тому +2

    great review of the nature and feeling of The Wandering Inn. for me, it's the best story ever, its huge, its ongoing, its free on the website but many enjoy the books or audibles.

    • @MattsFantasyBookReviews
      @MattsFantasyBookReviews  2 роки тому +1

      Yeah I'm liking it more and more as this series goes along. I can't wait to see what it has in store!

  • @timledvora6805
    @timledvora6805 7 місяців тому +1

    As someone who has read the books, would you also consider doing a spolier-included discussion once you are caught up. I just finished getting caught up and and hunting down discussion to see what other people thought!

    • @MattsFantasyBookReviews
      @MattsFantasyBookReviews  7 місяців тому +1

      For the past two books I've read I do a spoiler filled section of the review in the 2nd half of the review :)

  • @michaelbaziotis8287
    @michaelbaziotis8287 Рік тому +1

    This series is truly addicting! Currently, I'm on book 6, The General of Izril, and I have to admit, I keep waiting for the series to go downhill so I can go on to something else. (Halfway through this title, and I AIN'T going anywhere!)
    I can't give John Gwynn a fair shot if I'm wondering if Toren is a good or bad skelatin! Or if Rags will ever become a goblin lord.
    It wouldn't be Fair to Joe Abbacrombie to start The Age of Madness while still wondering how a blind Emperor and a half troll paladin can make it work. Or if Ryoka will ever become a courier!
    How do I start Robin Hobbs Magic Ship trilogy If I can't stop wondering how magical Erin's Innkeeping can become?
    It usually only takes a couple of chapters for the author of this type of genre to tell you how the protagonist came to the fantasy world/dimension their book takes place in... Well, i'm six books in and I STILL don't know how Erin got to this place!! So until Pirateaba provides these answers and more, or the writing begins to slide... The Poppy War and Malazan books are going to have to wait!
    So excuse me while I get back to Liscor, Ant people, dog people, lizard people and DRAGONS! (I bet George R R Martin never wrote about Ant People did he?)

    • @harshgarg7542
      @harshgarg7542 Рік тому +1

      I am caught up with web reolease and we still don't have concrete answers of the process, only general ideas

  • @dinocollins720
    @dinocollins720 2 роки тому +11

    I'm really not looking to add the longest fantasy series of all time to my TBR, but if you keep putting out reviews like this I wont be able to help it haha 😂

    • @MattsFantasyBookReviews
      @MattsFantasyBookReviews  2 роки тому +4

      LOL I'M SORRY! I keep doing this to you Dino.

    • @dinocollins720
      @dinocollins720 2 роки тому +2

      @@MattsFantasyBookReviews Haha good! I wouldn't expect anything else lol

    • @demonsanta6922
      @demonsanta6922 2 роки тому +3

      It will become the only book you will want to read. JoIn Us InSide ThE iNn FoR eVeR!

    • @dinocollins720
      @dinocollins720 2 роки тому +2

      @@demonsanta6922 Nooooo!!!! haha 😂You guys are making me want to read it sooo bad! Dang it! I'm adding it to my TBR haha but it's so long! Alright I'm checking it out! I just finished Time of Dread after Matt called me out in a video and I absolutely loved it so I trust him now ha😂

    • @jessezigg
      @jessezigg Рік тому +1

      😂😂😂 right?!?

  • @WitchyWater
    @WitchyWater 2 роки тому +5

    Book 8 at least the audio book. Comes out at the end of this month. Book 9 for audio will start to be recorded in January. Andrea who does the audio books will do three Wondering inn books a year. That's her max.
    My husband also will not read it on the website so he's waiting for each book release. The bad thing is it'll probably be five or six years before the books and audio books are caught up to maybe the end of volume eight. There's no way I'd be able to wait for this story that long.

    • @MattsFantasyBookReviews
      @MattsFantasyBookReviews  2 роки тому +2

      Honestly it makes me even more interested because it would really bother me to have to catch up after being in such a huge hole. Allowing me to catch up to the ebooks will ease my brain a little bit.

  • @j.j.gittes2241
    @j.j.gittes2241 Рік тому

    Thanks for the recommendation! I have read the e-books 1-3 and really enjoying the ride so far. The series is very immersive and engaging. The strongest part of the series are the characters. At this point in reading this series, I am more interested in the side characters than the two main characters.

  • @MrAeroaj
    @MrAeroaj 8 місяців тому

    Why do I like this! Why is it becoming my favorite series. Seriously 5 out of 5

  • @nicko6773
    @nicko6773 2 роки тому +4

    So glad to see this series is getting more exposure!
    Do you plan to read other web serials?

    • @MattsFantasyBookReviews
      @MattsFantasyBookReviews  2 роки тому +2

      I read Mother of Learning recently, but currently have no plans to start any others in the near future.

  • @benlivingston8446
    @benlivingston8446 2 роки тому +2

    I've heard of The Wandering Inn just in passing before and wasn't interested due to it being a web serial, but this review may have changed my mind. Thanks!
    Also, if you haven't read any litrpg but like some aspects of it, read Dungeon Crawler Carl ASAP! There are 5 self-published books out so far (of a planned 9-10ish) but they're amazing. One of my favorite recent discoveries and I think would be right up your alley

    • @MattsFantasyBookReviews
      @MattsFantasyBookReviews  2 роки тому +2

      Yes I'm planning on reading that series early in 2023! I can't wait!

    • @benlivingston8446
      @benlivingston8446 2 роки тому +1

      @@MattsFantasyBookReviews I think you'll really like it. Can't wait to watch the reviews, keep being awesome!

    • @MattsFantasyBookReviews
      @MattsFantasyBookReviews  2 роки тому +1

      @@benlivingston8446 no...YOU keep being awesome!

  • @benja6902
    @benja6902 2 роки тому +2

    Have you read Dragonlance Chronicles and Dragonlance Legends? They are true D&D novels with amazingly well written characters. When I was a kid, long before I read Robin Hobb, I was amazed at how great all the characters were. Particularly the twin brothers Caramon and (fan favorite) Raistlin. I can't get into D&D trope-style books as an adult, but I want to reread Dragonlance just for the character work. And your review of The Wandering Inn intrigues me enough to consider a D&D style adventure once again.

    • @MattsFantasyBookReviews
      @MattsFantasyBookReviews  2 роки тому +2

      No, never have. Do they still hold up today?

    • @benja6902
      @benja6902 2 роки тому +1

      They are like old friends. The fantastic Larry Elmore covers are what initially got my attention. The story is standard D&D fantasy, but even as a kid, I noticed how well written all the characters were. They all really stood out to me. I haven't read them in decades, but they made a lasting impression, and I look forward to reading them again someday.

    • @reklin
      @reklin 2 роки тому +1

      @@benja6902 The Goblin Slayer series is pretty good if you're looking for a standard D&D style adventure series. The author doesn't even try to hide the fact that it's their homebrew campaign setting. They're also aimed at a slightly higher age range.
      Fun Fact: The Wandering Inn also has a character called Goblin Slayer as a direct reference.

  • @ajsinanan
    @ajsinanan 2 роки тому +1

    Ok I am sold, I will start this series before the end of the year.

  • @soulofshukaku
    @soulofshukaku 2 роки тому +4

    I think it should be mentioned that few of the POV characters are teens. Most (Erin, Ryoka, Laken, Geneva) are early 20s. Some Earthers are teens, but our MCs are young adults. And not 'young adults', actual adults. Tom might be 19, and the twins are 16 or 17.

  • @harrycorbiniv
    @harrycorbiniv 2 роки тому +2

    Hype to read this one day

  • @jessezigg
    @jessezigg Рік тому

    David Estes has a main POV who is blind. 😉 (His two main epic fantasy series are some of my All Time Favorite - and I've *never heard* you mention him!)

  • @sorryman105
    @sorryman105 2 роки тому +2

    3 Books are released a year to match the pace of the audio books. I think its a good reading pace.

  • @TypausZuendorf
    @TypausZuendorf 2 роки тому +4

    HAHAHA you actually think you can "Catch up" by reading the kindle ver. ^^ By the time they have released one "book" Pirate has written 3 more...
    PS: So I love the series and as a Patreon Reader on the lastes chapter if I would say my one REAL spoiler free gripe with the Story (I have a few, most based on logistic and numbers)
    is ironically time. Now this does not affect the story in any real way, you can even completely ignore it.
    But in the beginning 1 day is 1 chapter most of the time, except when something bigger happens than more chapters go into a day. This kinda keeps being true for most of the series.
    And there are practically no time jumps in this. It happend once or twice on a Volumes ending or beginning but extremely rare. This is all perfectly fine on its own but with the amount of Worldchanging events, Character development (Many Characters go full arcs)and just stuff that happens in this Story has not enough time...The amount of story should have required at least 3-5 times the amount of time its supposed to have taken to feel believable, at least to me.
    But again you would have probably never noticed this if I did not just tell you that.

    • @MattsFantasyBookReviews
      @MattsFantasyBookReviews  2 роки тому +2

      Lol when I say catch up I mean catch up to the ebooks that are out! I'll definitely never catch the web version.
      And no I can't unsee the time thing you mentioned! I didn't ever realize it before but you are totally right.

  • @johnsparegrave5996
    @johnsparegrave5996 2 роки тому +2

    I just downloaded the first book, you are starting to cost me a lot but then I will admit it pays in return.

  • @MichaelPiraino
    @MichaelPiraino 2 роки тому +3

    one correction in your video -> for the last 6 months+ pirateaba has started taking monthly 1 week long breaks. But yes, initially pirateaba went a very long time (multiple years) with no breaks. And on his birthdays, he would do an chapter a day for a week back in the day. He is trying really hard now to only write 10k a stream (2-3 streams, followed by edits = 1 new chapter), but we will see how long that lasts lol, he has tried to wrote less many times before and failed.

    • @MattsFantasyBookReviews
      @MattsFantasyBookReviews  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for the info! Is it confirmed that pirateaba is "he"?

    • @MichaelPiraino
      @MichaelPiraino 2 роки тому +2

      @@MattsFantasyBookReviews The author wishes their gender and identity to remain anonymous. Everyone in the community uses the pronoun they think it is. Most say she, I say he.

    • @MattsFantasyBookReviews
      @MattsFantasyBookReviews  2 роки тому +1

      @@MichaelPiraino gotcha, thanks!

  • @johnsparegrave5996
    @johnsparegrave5996 2 роки тому +1

    Does anyone know who she is?

  • @93aristar
    @93aristar 7 місяців тому

    Florist is not a zombie.

  • @miawithahat7218
    @miawithahat7218 2 роки тому +2

    I only subscribed to see you catch up and start reading online and become completely unhinged.

  • @liamschulzrules
    @liamschulzrules Рік тому

    *addictive

  • @Edog1337
    @Edog1337 2 роки тому +2

    Starts to drop off next few volumes. Way more characters. Becomes very grim.

    • @MattsFantasyBookReviews
      @MattsFantasyBookReviews  2 роки тому

      That's actually super my thing. I can't wait!

    • @coltonmiller1314
      @coltonmiller1314 2 роки тому +2

      @Matt's Fantasy Book Reviews
      Matt,
      I have spent the last 2 or 3 months buried in the Wandering Inn. Now I'm completely caught up (the web serial), and I'm dreading the future of waiting for weekly releases. It's by far the best thing I've ever read, and the story only continues to get better and better with time. You're in for a hell of a ride! Great review!

    • @MattsFantasyBookReviews
      @MattsFantasyBookReviews  2 роки тому

      @@coltonmiller1314 wonderful to hear, thanks for letting me know!

  • @johnsparegrave5996
    @johnsparegrave5996 2 роки тому +1

    The more I watch your videos, the more I think : If that guy is a maths teacher, I'm sure students have become fascinated with maths lol. So Matt, are you a math teacher?

  • @stuffbenlikes
    @stuffbenlikes 2 роки тому +1

    Pirate is using chatgpt to write these books :)

  • @modemuffel9911
    @modemuffel9911 2 роки тому +3

    Matt, you’re my fav book critic, yet I don’t get your enthusiasm about that series. I read about half of the first book.
    Almost nothing major happened, characters rather dull and one dimensional, not very likable, writing style really super simplistic… I don’t know. Yes I get it, there is leveling and “exploring a new world” but apart from that really not much more.

    • @MattsFantasyBookReviews
      @MattsFantasyBookReviews  2 роки тому +5

      I won't claim that it is for everyone - because it's really not. But it's such a wonderful change of pace and from what I normally read, and scratches so many "progression fantasy" itches that I have. And the series characters get more sophisticated as the series goes along, as well as the writing style.

    • @sethhayto5878
      @sethhayto5878 2 роки тому +4

      So it's generally agreed in the community that the first book was fairly slow compared to the rest of the series, but the author has actually been re-editting it over the past few months to try and bring it up to the writing quality of the later books

  • @Aryan_homophobe
    @Aryan_homophobe 2 роки тому +5

    They are not teens, some of eathers are, but they are minority, most of the characters from our world are young adults, Erin is 20, Ryoka 21, Laken the Emperor is 24, Geneva the Last Light is 25. Some of the characters are teenagers like Artwood twins who are 16. But most of the other characters from the Earth are young adults. There is a useful wiki with thousands of articles that helps to not get overwhelmed and lost =)
    As for the LitRPG elements TWI probably the best implementation of that concept i ever read. Because LitRPG is a cheap and lazy way to make characters progress, most of the time it feel unnatural and stupid. In TWI there is no Health points, no Mana points, no Experience points, no interface elements and million other things that make stories feel cheap. And no leveling only through conflict, you can become high level in literally anything. Most LitRPG focus only on combal and maybe crafting. And in volume 8 you would find out why system exist and who created it. So it is not there just because.

    • @MattsFantasyBookReviews
      @MattsFantasyBookReviews  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks! I worry about checking out the wiki because I've been spoiled so many times reading wikis for various books.

    • @sorryman105
      @sorryman105 2 роки тому

      @@MattsFantasyBookReviews Use the discord for info instead. The wiki is always dangerous.

    • @xiAMGeno
      @xiAMGeno 2 роки тому

      @@MattsFantasyBookReviews The wiki will definitely spoil stuff lol stay away from it

    • @henryf706
      @henryf706 2 роки тому

      @@MattsFantasyBookReviews don't check it the wiki!! It's has a warning that everything up to volume 9 is fair game. It might be better to go to the edit page and ask question up to your volume