NOTE: Arches no longer makes watercolor board...sadly. One descent alternative (but not equal in quality) is Crescent Watercolor Board. Here is a link. amzn.to/3ZwAh4A
You are such a gem. I've been getting into painting larger recently and the warping/buckling problem gets so much worse the bigger I paint. I did a quick search on the topic and found some random videos about stretching but I thought, "I bet MOW has vidoes on this". I know this is one of your older videos but it gives better info than almost anyone else. Thank you for all your work, time, and thought you always put into everything you do. For now, I will probably have to stretch even though I know you don't love it. I just can't afford the thicker papers yet for my experimenting.
I didn't realize i have been watching you for 9 years! I remember when you first posted this. The time has flown. So glad this came up on my feed again. Thank you.
OMG, you are so good at zeroing in on key questions, answering them succinctly, and getting off the stage. As a retired guy, I don’t have time to experiment endlessly. I’ve only got so many paintings in me, so I look for quick wisdom like this. Old guys rule!!
I just went back to this video for a refresher class. I am inclined to go with not stretching my paper. If it buckles badly enough I can always let it dry, lay it face down on a towel, lightly dampen the paper, lay a towel over it again and then apply some pressure. Let it dry and see what happens. So far that works and I have yet to lose any paint to the bottom towel nor suffer the paper pain of having the paper stick to the towels. I have not yet tried the watercolor boards or clay boards. Thanks again for what you do. Enjoy the art. Enjoy watching you paint. Enjoy the ability to learn from you.
Thank you so much for addressing this. I haven't stretched my watercolor paper in over 20 years, and I don't even mention it to my students. While 140 lbs buckles a little, it's minor enough that I ignore it and keep painting.
Stretching is one of those subjects where everyone has an opinion! When I started, gummed tape was the only way to go, especially with larger pieces. Now, when I’m teaching with smaller pieces on 140lb. I find that artists tape works fine. Especially with beginners. Not ideal.. but good enough that the paper doesn’t buckle. This reminds me to discuss stretching in my next class! Thanks Steve!
You are absolutely right about the blocks, they buckle and warp all over. I do prefer to use them for the sake of convenience and it's important to note that when they are fully dry again (may need to give it a few days) they will return to being almost perfectly flat. So I find I only need stretched paper when I'm working very, very pouring wet with paper that's lying flat on the table. If I keep the moisture controlled or slightly tilt the paper, the lakes and puddles aren't really a problem.
Steve, I am getting back into watercolor after a long hiatus. Your talk on stretching was the most lucid, well produced video I have seen to date. It answered all my questions in a logical sequence. I will watch your other videos eagerly and have subscribed ( which I normally avoid). Thanks!
I'm a beginner in watercolour. You cleared up the confusion I had about stretching papers. Thanks for a clear demo, salient info with no blabbing on off track, and appreciate your opinions.
Even after 6 years, this video is extremely helpful about why and how to stretch paper. I’ve tried blocks and thought it was MY fault that the paper buckled! Now will explore heavier paper and paper boards. Thank you!
I never stretch my paper (140lb). I like the ragged edges of sheet papers, so I paint to the edges and frame it floating. no staples, no tapes and no stretching. if I have some paddles, I tilt the paper and drip down, up, or sideways for expressive marks. I sometime soak them up with paper towels. or I leave the puddles to dry for some organic stain looks. All my finished paintings are warped or buckled, so I put weight on them to press down flat. for my painting style, no need for stretching papers : ) I always enjoy your videos. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge, skills and valuable info.
@@miraxterrik I have many paintings under the weight and numbers keep increasing. I don’t know how long it takes to be completely flatten, but they all do get flat. If a corner or edge of a paper is curled up, I just uncurl it by bending the other direction without ripping or folding.
This painting option is really cool. I will still try to paint like this. But I believe that only a few times, because my style of drawing and painting, are more academic, more figurative and precise. in this way, I believe that not stretching the paper for me would not be a good option! ... But I LOVED your idea!
I’ve come here from bookbinding, so I have a cast iron nipping press. Lucky me. Big screw, brings a cast iron plate done on the paper. Heavy weights over boards would also work. I’ve put a clean water wash on the back of my buckled painting to relax it again, placed between blotting paper/kitchen paper, and some flat boards, and nip it up fo 24 hrs.. It came out nice and flat. But blow me down, the thing was still bowing after a while. But not irregular. I glued it as a front piece onto a card made of Bristol board, and it’s pulled that into a slight bow. These molecular forces are powerful!!
I was so nervous about searching for a good video but this pulled up first and I don't feel the need to search anymore. Thank you for saving me time, great video!
Your video editing, the information you give, and the way you deliver is just awesome, it keeps me glued to the screen and I really learn some valuable things in the end. Great work!
I use 140lb paper and secure it to a board with bulldog clips. I work in a loose style and allow the anomalies of watercolors to happen. The wettest part of my painting process is at the beginning. Also I work at an angle so what hills and valleys that do form does not really effect my painting. This is the method I have used for years. Though I have used masking tape and other stretching methods. I found that unless you use really wet washes 140lb paper doesn't buckle that much. And for the way I paint the bulldog clips work just fine. My first watercolor teacher had us secure our paper down with push pins at the corners. He did not want us to worry so much about stretching the paper, but more about the painting process. When a lot of time and effort is put into preparing your paper you may feel hesitant to paint, for fear of spoiling the paper.
A.J. Nivens Yes, yours is a good example of useful non-stretchery... (made up that word). Its not a necessity to stretch and many artists with loose styles prefer not too. It all has to do with results. If buckling hills and valleys are hindering the results you're after you'll need to stretch. Many artists don't bother because its not an issue.
this is how I feel: I just started and had no idea paper had to be prepared with a lengthy boring process. I use 140lbs paper and it always buckles immediately.after that, having a regular background is almost impossible. It is quite disheartening!
Don't be afraid ;-) I enjoyed your presentation: clear and to the point. I've just started watercolour painting and, like you, wanted to avoid pre-stretching my paper. So, I selected 300 gsm (140 pound) and 535 gsm (250 pound) papers and, so far so good; though I do prefer the heavier 535 gsm paper, which doesn't seem to bow at all. Thanks for providing confirmation that I may be on the right track.
Thank you, Steve. I watched all your 'best paper' videos, and you've helped me decide what to get. I have been struggling with watercolor, and only now realize that I have been working with the wrong paper. Who knew that all watercolor paper was not created equal? Me :( So, thank you so much!
I worked on Strathmore for a while so I could practice, but it's terrible paper. I switched to Arches and the paint and water behaves completely different.
Thanks a lot. I'd never thought about stretching paper before. Saved by your comment near the end, "Do I HAVE to stretch paper? That answer is no. NOW you're talking my language." Whew....I'm staying with your language, too.
Marian McAfee Glad it was a help. Stretching is really just a matter of whether you wish to deal with buckles or not. Simple as that. If you despise them, you must stretch or use paper that won't buckle. Many artists just put up with the buckles.
Is there a way to remove the buckle in a finished piece? I have what I *thought* was going to be a quick practice but I'm very pleased with it...so now I want to "unbuckle" it. (It's not terribly wavy.) Also--you have a new Patreon subscriber. :)
@@melaniesee8916 you may have already discovered an answer to your year old question. But one good way to flatten a completed painting that I've found works well for me is to lightly mist the back of the totally dry painting with water. Then lay it on a flat surface (I sandwich it between two layers of paper towel to help quicken the dry time) then stack some heavy books on it making sure to have the painting covered from edge to edge in weight. Leave for several hours to flatten and dry out completely. The humidity level in your local air will influence how long this takes. I live in Utah and usually just leave mine overnight to simplify things. If its a rainy day it can take a little longer, if it's a hot dry day it can work in about 6 hours. Once dry the painting will be nice and flat and ready to frame. I've found this process works much better than trying to iron the painting.
Ready to resume painting after a hiatus & thought about this issue. THANK YOU for a thorough review of the WATER ISSUE. It's not about stretching, but about how much water you use, from start to finish. If there's buckling, something has to change.
Another awesome video! I avoid stretching at all costs myself. I find that with a hefty stack of heavy books I can flatten all my finished paintings perfectly once completed. I've only tried this on 140 lb paper and up so I'm not sure how well it would work on lighter papers though. - George
Yes, its possible to flatten a painting after it dries. Doesn't prevent the valleys when you're painting unfortunately. All your washes will run into them. Can be very aggravating. For 90lb., stretching is essential. The buckling is much worse. Thanks for watching George!
Nice video. I have always stretched watercolor paper with gum tape method, and although, as you correctly point out it is not 100% reliable, like with all things, one does master the art after a while and success rate naturally increases (I'm at over 90%). Stapling method seems too much effort - especially removing them. And commercial stretchers are too expensive, esp. if one likes to have several boards ready for painting at any time. This is how things have developed : Gum tape is 50mm wide so I get boards cut exactly 50mm larger than the standard dimensions of the papers I use (I buy blocks not sheets). This ensures that a) the outer edge of tape corresponds exactly to edge of board and b) half of tape sits on the paper and half on board. So process is quicker, more accurate and consistent. I also stick small wooden "buttons" (mine are wood plugs, which I found in hardware store) on the underside of the board close to corners, so I can stack the boards flat one on top of the other - a neat solution! (I stretch 10 boards at a time). I suppose the solution one finds will depend on how one works and how often one paints. Which is what is nice about this video - it does give an overview of the options. I just wouldn't dismiss the tape method that quickly!
Thanks for this Steve! A wealth of knowledge in a short and sweet video! I didn’t need to watch 15 videos and try to fish through it all and make sense out of them to then decide which was the best option for my preferences! This makes it very clear to me I will continue to not use stretching unless I will be doing a painting in which my watercolour touches the edges.
I’m a beginner, I’ve never stretched my paper of 140 Lb I only hold it down with tape and when I’m done I’ll let it dry before removing the tape and there’s minimal to none bubbling or buckling and if there is some a I place it flat under a heavy stack of books for a day or 2 and problem solved.
I had a painting class in college where we made WOOD frames for stretching papers, very similar to canvas stretchers and we stretched both watercolor papers as well as many kinds of drawing papers. The wood frames were a lot like picture frames, so no solid board under the paper. I do like drawing on stretched drawing paper, but didn't have proper woodworking tools for it after college so I left it behind - you have to make perfect right angles and they have to be pretty sturdy to withstand the tension. I never tried to use commercial canvas stretchers, but I may give that a try sometime.
I LOVE your Q and A after every point. It drives the point home and if my mind wandered, I still learn the lessons you are teaching. Brilliant teaching method. Appreciate your videos. Will subscribe now.
Hi Steve some great tips as usual, what a contentious subject... I have been experimenting with an idea I came across by accident one day when I tried to pick a wet sheet of paper off my glass table - I use a sheet of Plexiglass now cut to 1/4 imp. I do my sketching first then soak my sheet and lay it on the plexiglass, I lay a clean tea towel on top pressing out any air bubbles and removing excess water then secure the edges with about 8 small bulldog clips and start laying my wet in wet straight away. Even as the surface dries there is enough moisture on the back for the suction to hold the paper firm and flat and I can still add my fine details at the end without any bleeding. I know this will not work for everyone but it works well the fast and loose style I am playing with at the moment. I did have a few occasions where the "size" on some papers caused some adhesion when dry but it released when I slipped a pallet knife underneath.
Well preventing buckling after the painting is done is not really the purpose here. Stretching is done to prevent buckling while you are painting and keeping the paint from pooling in the valleys. 🙂
Sorry .. your video mentions how to just start painting without pre-stretching and that you don’t like to.. so I thought I’d mention it. Mine doesn’t buckle while I am painting. If I were let it dry, it does bow. But just ironing it.. it’s gone. I use heavy paper too.
Sure, seems like a great way to smooth out a buckled painting! I usually just press mine under books. Some people even wet the back and press. I don't like to stretch because of the extra time it takes, but most people stretch to avoid the peaks and valleys that occur while they paint. Really can mess up a nice smooth wash if it buckles a lot. Bigger sheets with very wet washes are usually the problem. Thanks for the input Stacy!
I too find the buckling more of a problem for my finished pieces, not so much while painting. Never thought of ironing them. Any special tips? Do you use steam or dry iron? What setting do you put the iron on?
anniejmoran ua-cam.com/video/6AJLZ8hrJ_o/v-deo.html There are more videos than just the link I just posted for you. Just search UA-cam keywords “ironing watercolor paper” .. that’s how I learned.
Great information and thank you so much for taking the trouble to share with the rest of us. I have quite a few instructional books on watercolour and most of them just gloss over this subject completely. Was thinking of investing in an expensive Keba paper stretcher, but now think I will just switch to 300 lb paper and save myself a lot of hassle AND be flexible with what size paper I want to paint on. Fantastic advice delivered in a fun way!
I must say I use the soaking and gummed tape method and I haven’t had problem as yet. I make sure that I have half of the width of the tape on the paper. Great tip about holding the paper up to see if it bends. I never thought about that 😊
I’ve had both success and failure. Paper tapes differ greatly in quality though and will even stretch a bit too. I also had a roll go bad over time. The gum just got weak I guess. Not sure. Staples just add insurance. Some artists don’t even bother with the tape.
I watched the video and used a second hand canvas as a test. I even used the back of a watercolor painting for the paper. I wet the paper and stapled it to the stretcher bars on the canvas. Most successful test I've ever done. Tight as a drum.
I am a beginner to watercolor and never even thought of stretching the paper! The Arches Block paper, I thought was my answer however before buying paper for watercolor painting, I have been searching for more information. I think you have answered my questions! I can't afford stretchers. I have been using 140 lb cold press arches paper for mixed media journals and probably don't use as much water as I will when I start to do watercolor paintings. I am so happy to have found your channel and am a new subscriber. Thank you! ~ Deb
I use 140 and hate stretching. I find the gummed tape very difficult to remove and often leaves glue on painting. I use a light box so 300 # is not for me. I will try the staples. On another note, if I end up with a warped finished painting, I carefully protect the back with a flat bed sheet and iron out any ripples and get a flat piece ready for framing. Going to look into the otto stretcher. Most of my paintings are 11 x 15 (1/4 sheet). THANKS. Love your videos as always.
What I've started to do lately is to glue my paper to a 4 ply backing board and it works great. It may bow slightly with heavy washes, but returns to flat with just a little weight applied to the back once the paper is dry. All I do is draw an outline of my paper centered on the backing board. Then I apply archival adhesive like Yes glue or Lineco inside the outline (or the back of the paper itself), and line the parts up and put them together. Next I start at the paper's center and roll out any air bubbles or unevenness with a brayer and put a weight on it to keep it flat overnight. Next day is happy painting....
I made a couple of Bromley type stretchers by cutting grooves into the edges of a wooden panel, and using screen retaining spline, the kind you would use for replacing a window screen. They work quite well and are inexpensive to make if you have woodworking tools. I get no buckling whatever after stretching because, as you say, you are adding tension to an already soaked paper.
Thanks so much for this. Why professional watercolourists think that just putting a bit water down with tape is good enough is surprising given what you have said. I have watched a dozen videos and as usual yours is the most informative. I didn't know how long to leave the paper (Arches 140) and now I know. Staples make good sense. I'm still not at the point where I want to spend the money on 300 lb paper, but perhaps later. Thanks for the tips. As usual I should have gone to "The Mind" first.
I appreciated everything about this video - thank you!! I really appreciated the link to the other video - I had found a very similar tutorial on Dragonfly Spirit Studio (you tube channel) but wasn't sure I if I should try that or something like the auto-stretcher. I decided to try the video way of stretching before investing in one of the other items and WOW! Is it ever awesome and easy-peasy. The paper stretches as tight as a drum and is really bonkers good to paint on. While I rarely stretch, if I do that is the method I love. One slight difference from the video you posted is that I don't feel like I need to use the 1.5", heavy duty bars - I have had perfect luck with the standard "medium duty" 1" bars. Granted, I take the painting off the bars and then frame or mount it otherwise. I think if you are leaving the painting on the stretcher frame, though, the wider frame would be more attractive. Regardless, hugely helpful.
I would love to use 300lb arche paper, but it's outside my budget. So, have been using 140 lb and stretching. So far I've done 3-4 mins soaking and taping with gummed tape. Once in place, I rub down the tape with a dish towel to really make it stick, and since doing that, the paper has never run away,from the under the tape. I also put down a 1/2 inch of masking tape to create a white border. Maybe that helps too. I will try the stretch test next time to see if I have the right wetness. So far, may paper always comes out perfectly flat at the end.
Thanks! This wirked perfectly. Just painted my wife's valentine and previously had not liked the rippled look to the card. I soaked my arches for 10 minutes in a paint roller tray and stapled it to a sheet of MDF. No bucking or wrinkling while painting. Looks great. I'm going to check out your mention of the gal who uses canvas stretchers.
Thanks so much for this video. I know I watched it before, but I still haven’t gone out and purchased 300 lb paper. Instead I’ve been using 140 lb blocks. They’re pretty good for a lot of things, but definitely not a wash, especially wet in wet. I was checking prices at Dick Blick, and wondered if 300 was good enough or did I really need 400? You answered my question. I’m not sure, but I think I can still tear the 300 lb paper, but pretty sure I’d have to cut the 400 (and it’s even more expensive).
Thank you!! ❤ Great video!! AND....thank you for getting to the point right off! A lot of videos there's unrelated jabber for 10 minutes prior to the actual point. Really...... awesome video!
@Adam You got a great buy on the Neptunes for sure! When it comes to points you can get a poor point on any brush or brand no matter how expensive. I try, when possible, to test points in the store. Black velvets usually hold a really good point but they are no different than any other brush in terms of some individual brushes being better than others. I've seen some in the rack that weren't very good. Over all either line are excellent, its just down to what you prefer and how they perform for you.
Loved the presentation - hits all the high points with long experienced opinion of pros and cons of the various methods. Nice to be able to get information from someone that has lived in the business. One I have been seeing is using gator board as the board to staple the paper on. Good wood boards are hard to come by - if you had some you recommend maybe a link?
Thanks! This one from Amazon isn't bad. I like the metal edge in case you want to use a T-square. They are foam cored covered with thin plywood so they are light. amzn.to/3ds0fmN
Thank You Steve for helping me sort this out! I took a hiatus from watercolor and recalled wetting tape and applying it to wet paper. I found a recent hint to add diluted white glue to the tape. Result: Ripped edges on my "masterpiece"! 8-( Ugh! I need to try a new method and I think you've saved me some steps!
OMG thank you x3. I am experienced artist. Always avoided watercolor because this is so tedious, plus have to mat and frame.....so expensive. Now want to do more with watercolor...looking for simplifying recommendations. Very helpful, thanks.
I wish I could support your page Steve. You very well deserve it. I am NOT one of the 1% lol. But always striving. Starting watercolor late in the game of life isn't easy, but I am not quitting. You have helped me so much and I'm sure thousands more. Thank you for this informative vid, yet again!
Same Joy, not giving this up, although I'd bet there would be a lot more people doing watercolor if they didn't need to stretch this paper! It's the thing that always set me back in getting started.
The Mind of Watercolor Hi Steve - You unraveled a mystery for me with this. Thank you. I use the heavier paper or arches board so I never stretch. That said I do a LOT of field sketching and use Stillman & Birn sketchbooks which hold up well, however I should say that I'm not soaking it with wash after wash.
I want to thank you so much for this invaluable video. I am no longer puzzled! I am gradually wading through all your video’s, as I am a new to watercolour. In a very sort time, I have seen a fair improvement in my watercolour efforts and its all down to your sharing fine knowledge.. You make your lessons fun, informative, and achievable. I am at last enjoying painting!
I don't stretch my paper. When I'm finished painting, I lay the painting face down on a clean towel, wet the back lightly with water, put another towel on top, and then something to weigh it down. Comes out flat every time!
I just started following your channel recently. I appreciate your style and humour. I was interested in the stretching methods and followed up on the Otto system. I had a great conversation with the inventor's wife about his art and how it came about. Very nice lady. Great information on all the formats and methods. thks Mike
This was a fantastic Answer & Question video! This helped me with many questions about why I should or shouldn't bother stretching paper, I just bought my first Arches Block of Hot Pressed paper and I was nervous about using it, but now not so much. I'm going to try and find one of those boards to stretch my paper with staples, I figure if I'm spending all this money on Watercolor painting, than I want to do things the right way as best as possible so my work will be as good as I can make it, while I continue to learn and grow my skills! Thank-you very much for a wonderful video, I find the way you teach to be the best, all your hard work is so appreciated! Take care and Blessed Be!
As a beginner I truly appreciate your tutorials. I have learned so much! Re stretching paper: I am painting primarily miniatures and find using Arches perfectly fine without stretching. If my paper buckles a bit, I simply let it dry thoroughly then sandwich it between an acid free mat board and non-glare glass. Press down or weight down overnight. The piece is flat in a few hours. Perhaps when I am more confident & skilled I will attempt painting on larger sheets of paper that requires stretching. Thanks for sharing! Your watercolor tips are brilliant!
+B Cohen Very similar to how i approach it. I usually don't consider stretching unless the painting is 12 x 16 or larger, and then only if using very sizable wet washes. Thanks for watching!
Thank you for this! When I was at school we used to run the paper under a tap, use the brown tape and pop a drawing pin in each corner... 😂 now I just work small scale on thick paper! And you answered my question about using a block to avoid having to stretch! Thanks for sharing 👍
I think if you use a lighter 90lb paper tape is sufficient, also I have stapled watercolor paper wet to canvas stretcher and it is awesome! but you lose more paper that way:) On boards tho, I am a risk taker and I just use the tape, works 75% of the time LOL!
+thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weiricc I never use 90lb paper but I can imagine it could make a difference. The biggest problem I've found is that gum tape brands differ and the gum is hard to wet consistently so that it always holds and if your paper is just a bit to wet at one edge spot the hold slips. Staples are just insurance and a ton of painters out there seem to go that route now. I avoid stretching entirely if I can. What a hassle. The Otto Stretcher is quite nice. I also like the Boga board stretcher that Gayle Weisfield sells.
The Mind of Watercolor Steve, if one wants to stretch the paper can one just use staples without the tape if closely stapled eliminating the “zillion” bulldog clips or tape? This would of course cause one to go through a lot of mounting boards. Also, I desire your opinion on mounting the paper to an archival board with an archival water proof glue: would this be acceptable and prevent buckling? If they can do it and sell it already mounted then we should be able to do this ourselves as well.
I imagine the type of board you work on affects it too (rough grain wood = better adhesion). I use 140 lb paper secured with just tape to a rough wood board, have never had a problem with buckling!
You can imagine I looked strangely at your topictitel when you know that the abbreviation "WC paper" in my country of birth is used for Water Closet paper...🤗 (But clicked and watched because of my interest in watercolor).
Ohhh and thank you for the other information. Until today, did not know I need to stretch paper at all. I see people taping the edges and was struggling just trying to find out what kind of tape to use...
Ps..your limp test was a game changer for me. Aand i found out that different weight papers take different times in the water. Since i have smaller sinks now but still have my commercial oven suzed cookie pans thats what i used for soaking.
This will seem very elementary, but I'm a beginner. When you say "soak" the paper, do you mean to submerge it entirely in something like a water bath so both sides are absorbing water, or do you mean to apply water with a brush or spray bottle as one would do while painting?
You can do either but spraying or brushing takes longer. Typically the paper is submerged or at least held under a running bath faucet on both sides. You just need it soaking wet to the core. Don't place it directly into a bathtub if you submerge it because of soap residue and such. Instead use a clean pan or as I said just hold it under the faucet.
Beginner here. Just picked up my Otto stretchers because stretching paper the traditional way looked like such a pain! LOL! The Otto stretchers makes it super easy. Was wondering, do you paint on the paper while still in the stretcher like they recommend? And if so, how do you keep the paint off the edges if covering most or all of the paper with paint? Love your channel, thanks for the great info.
Yes. I would paint with it in the stretcher. Keeping paint off the stretcher is definitely a challenge. I really don't worry about it personally. But a lot doesn't get on there for me.
Does the temperature of the water make a difference? Would warm, cool or lukewarm water harm or protect the sizing? And would something like bulldog clips work in place of staples?
I love the process of stretching paper with gum tape, sad to find out not many people do. :| I never use staples either. If I have issues where the gum tap has little warps in it where it didn't stick, I use a knife to cut away the bits that didn't stick and put on a new strip of tape if it seams like the paper might buckle when I start working on it. Maybe I lucked out and got some good rolls of gum tape.
This was great fun! Now I don't feel so inadequate when I don't stretch. I had already saved the canvas stretcher idea to try just because I was intrigued. Keep up the good work. So delighted I found new and refreshing guidance for my watercolor education. Yep, I'm just starting this journey.
Australian botanical artist Angela Lober has an interesting stretching method displayed on the UA-cam blog of her Norfolk Island Pine watercolor on hot press paper. After the painting is finished and dry, she turns it over onto a clean towel, spaying the back of the paper with water and then carefully brushing off the buckling with. large brush. Then she tapes it to a clean window to dry in the sunlight and it dries “tight as a drum.”
in my watercolor class the most annoying part was the stretching... i like to sit down and get to work... this helps alot... thanks for the video and i just subscribed... cheryl
cheryl blue ...sometimes...we need to “sit down and get to work” prepping a bunch of canvases in order “to sit down and get to work” on the actual painting. Sometimes I stretch and sometimes I do not. I hardly ever even get straight to work on pre-gessoed canvas for my oils & acrylic’s preferring to further develop them before the painting starts. A paper canvas that will not lay flat is very annoying to me but that’s me.
When I started WC painting I was taught to staple. It us very effective. It works very well unless I am going to fliat a painting instead of matting the painting.
I’ve recently gone back into doing watercolors and I am using 140 lb, cold press. Years ago I was taught to use gummed/masking tape and a Masonite board. No staples. One taped the paper to the board, soaked everything for about ten minutes, wiped off the excess water with a clean sponge, and let it dry overnight in a horizontal position. Normally, that works, but not always. I just tried it again and the tape failed in several places. The paper looks like a shalom course of hills and valleys. I do not like the paper tape because it tends to permanently stick to the watercolor paper. One cannot staple if one is using a Masonite board. Therefore, it is off to the lumber yard to get some pine boards I can cut to fit my papers (A4 normally). Thanks for the video. I learned a better way to stretch my paper.
Thank you, Steve, for these funny and informative videos. I am very new to watercolor, so appreciate your non-snobbery....um...is that a word?! Anyway, is it true that some papers are for painting on one side only? I am trying a 300lb Moulin du Roy from Hobby Lobby. Can I use the back too? Thanks!
artgone country I would test a piece of it. Usually its ok to use either side but it may produce different results. I have painted on paper that wouldn't paint right on the "back." Don't remember what brand it was though. There is always a "front" side when most papers are made but that may not affect painting results. The texture can be a bit different on each side too.
Hi Steve, I always stretch my paper and there is a paper tape now that works 100% of the time for Susan Harrison-Tustain. Its called Luka's White. I learned it from her workshop that I attended in 2009. Although some artists have trouble with any kind of paper tape. If done correctly , meaning the humility in the atmosphere has something to do with it. If it dries too fast, it will pull away no matter what kind of paper tape is being used. I have had paper pull away from a Gorilla Watercolor Board from drying too fast. I quit using it and prefer Luka's tape for my gator-board. I really hate bothering with stretching but the only reason I need to stretch my paper is because every minute you soak your paper, it does remove a little of the surface sizing. I need that removed because I want the pigment to be absorbed into the inner layers of the paper as much as possible. That is how I get the glazing depth that i want.
Thanks for the input. Staples are 100% reliable too no matter what tape you use. But I don't use either any more. I hate the hassle too. I have several commercial stretchers now and will do almost anything to avoid tape and staples altogether. The Boga board is pretty neat (not in the video)😀 Thanks Renee!
Some people claim they regularly iron a piece of work after the fact and get a great result. I did that myself a few years ago. Worked out pretty well. Would you risk that? I'd like to eventually work out a way to stretch mine while preserving the entire edge. I have some paper with a deckled edge that I hate to lose. I'm thinking narrow boards and woodworking clamps.
Great video. Definitely the best one on stretching I've seen. Probably worth noting that even 140 lb paper won't buckle much unless you are doing a fairly full wash across large portions of the paper. So for some compositions, you don't need to stretch or use very heavy paper.
Your methods are the only ones that have truly worked for me. Unfortunately where I live art supply stores don't carry 300 lbs paper anymore. I guess people didn't understand why it was more expensive or what the use was, so it was probably not a very popular choice. :(
Someone who speaks my language! Stapling ruins your board and tape can be a bummer to remove. Just tried stretching 2 pieces of Moulin Du Roy and it was a total flop. Ended up fixing it to my commercial paper stretcher. Nothing really prevents cockling so I just use the thicker paper. Using Strathmore 638g NOT at the moment. Good video.
I use 140# Arches paper and soak it for about 5-7 minutes. It's limp like a rag so I imagine it's soaked all the way thru, then staple it to acid free, 3/4" gator board and still get a little bit of buckling. My staples are spaced about an inch apart so maybe I need to space my staples closer together? As it dries though, it flattens out.
Thats not uncommon. You might try 10-15 minutes next time and see what happens. In addition to being limp the paper needs to fully expand. You're usually not in danger of washing out the sizing unless you go longer than 30 minutes.
@@mindofwatercolor your tip worked perfectly! Went for 15 minutes and no buckling! Unfortunately, I've yet to produce a successful landscape painting. I can do pet portraits all day long but landscapes not so much. Not giving up though. Now off to destroy more paper. LOL
Great info. I have been using Arches paper and works great for me, but I always stretch my 140 lb with staples. hard work but works great. So block paper is not stretch good to know.thanks
NOTE: Arches no longer makes watercolor board...sadly. One descent alternative (but not equal in quality) is Crescent Watercolor Board. Here is a link. amzn.to/3ZwAh4A
You are such a gem. I've been getting into painting larger recently and the warping/buckling problem gets so much worse the bigger I paint. I did a quick search on the topic and found some random videos about stretching but I thought, "I bet MOW has vidoes on this". I know this is one of your older videos but it gives better info than almost anyone else. Thank you for all your work, time, and thought you always put into everything you do. For now, I will probably have to stretch even though I know you don't love it. I just can't afford the thicker papers yet for my experimenting.
I didn't realize i have been watching you for 9 years! I remember when you first posted this. The time has flown. So glad this came up on my feed again. Thank you.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching. I recognize your name from some of those days. 😊
OMG, you are so good at zeroing in on key questions, answering them succinctly, and getting off the stage. As a retired guy, I don’t have time to experiment endlessly. I’ve only got so many paintings in me, so I look for quick wisdom like this. Old guys rule!!
I just went back to this video for a refresher class. I am inclined to go with not stretching my paper. If it buckles badly enough I can always let it dry, lay it face down on a towel, lightly dampen the paper, lay a towel over it again and then apply some pressure. Let it dry and see what happens. So far that works and I have yet to lose any paint to the bottom towel nor suffer the paper pain of having the paper stick to the towels. I have not yet tried the watercolor boards or clay boards. Thanks again for what you do. Enjoy the art. Enjoy watching you paint. Enjoy the ability to learn from you.
Yep you van even iron it
Thank you so much for addressing this. I haven't stretched my watercolor paper in over 20 years, and I don't even mention it to my students. While 140 lbs buckles a little, it's minor enough that I ignore it and keep painting.
Stretching is one of those subjects where everyone has an opinion! When I started, gummed tape was the only way to go, especially with larger pieces. Now, when I’m teaching with smaller pieces on 140lb. I find that artists tape works fine. Especially with beginners. Not ideal.. but good enough that the paper doesn’t buckle. This reminds me to discuss stretching in my next class! Thanks Steve!
You are absolutely right about the blocks, they buckle and warp all over. I do prefer to use them for the sake of convenience and it's important to note that when they are fully dry again (may need to give it a few days) they will return to being almost perfectly flat. So I find I only need stretched paper when I'm working very, very pouring wet with paper that's lying flat on the table. If I keep the moisture controlled or slightly tilt the paper, the lakes and puddles aren't really a problem.
Same.
Steve, I am getting back into watercolor after a long hiatus. Your talk on stretching was the most lucid, well produced video I have seen to date. It answered all my questions in a logical sequence. I will watch your other videos eagerly and have subscribed ( which I normally avoid). Thanks!
I'm a beginner in watercolour. You cleared up the confusion I had about stretching papers. Thanks for a clear demo, salient info with no blabbing on off track, and appreciate your opinions.
Even after 6 years, this video is extremely helpful about why and how to stretch paper. I’ve tried blocks and thought it was MY fault that the paper buckled! Now will explore heavier paper and paper boards. Thank you!
I never stretch my paper (140lb). I like the ragged edges of sheet papers, so I paint to the edges and frame it floating. no staples, no tapes and no stretching. if I have some paddles, I tilt the paper and drip down, up, or sideways for expressive marks. I sometime soak them up with paper towels. or I leave the puddles to dry for some organic stain looks. All my finished paintings are warped or buckled, so I put weight on them to press down flat. for my painting style, no need for stretching papers : ) I always enjoy your videos. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge, skills and valuable info.
Sumiyo Toribe Thanks for the input Sumiyo. Great to have you watching!
If you put weights on it, will it really be flat again..?
@@miraxterrik I have many paintings under the weight and numbers keep increasing. I don’t know how long it takes to be completely flatten, but they all do get flat. If a corner or edge of a paper is curled up, I just uncurl it by bending the other direction without ripping or folding.
@@SumiyoToribe thanks, great to know because i don't really want the hassle of stretching the paper..
This painting option is really cool. I will still try to paint like this. But I believe that only a few times, because my style of drawing and painting, are more academic, more figurative and precise. in this way, I believe that not stretching the paper for me would not be a good option! ... But I LOVED your idea!
Best video on this topic I've ever seen. You've just ended years of frustration for my father and myself. Thank you, lked, and subscribed!
Glad it helped
9/27/2019 USA Grandpa Bill: It is this kind of quality that makes your videos worth every minute of watching.
I’ve come here from bookbinding, so I have a cast iron nipping press. Lucky me. Big screw, brings a cast iron plate done on the paper. Heavy weights over boards would also work.
I’ve put a clean water wash on the back of my buckled painting to relax it again, placed between blotting paper/kitchen paper, and some flat boards, and nip it up fo 24 hrs.. It came out nice and flat. But blow me down, the thing was still bowing after a while. But not irregular. I glued it as a front piece onto a card made of Bristol board, and it’s pulled that into a slight bow. These molecular forces are powerful!!
I was so nervous about searching for a good video but this pulled up first and I don't feel the need to search anymore. Thank you for saving me time, great video!
+Shyla Craig Thanks for watching. I linked to a couple others in the description if you're looking for more info.
Your video editing, the information you give, and the way you deliver is just awesome, it keeps me glued to the screen and I really learn some valuable things in the end. Great work!
I use 140lb paper and secure it to a board with bulldog clips. I work in a loose style and allow the anomalies of watercolors to happen. The wettest part of my painting process is at the beginning. Also I work at an angle so what hills and valleys that do form does not really effect my painting. This is the method I have used for years. Though I have used masking tape and other stretching methods. I found that unless you use really wet washes 140lb paper doesn't buckle that much. And for the way I paint the bulldog clips work just fine. My first watercolor teacher had us secure our paper down with push pins at the corners. He did not want us to worry so much about stretching the paper, but more about the painting process. When a lot of time and effort is put into preparing your paper you may feel hesitant to paint, for fear of spoiling the paper.
A.J. Nivens Yes, yours is a good example of useful non-stretchery... (made up that word). Its not a necessity to stretch and many artists with loose styles prefer not too. It all has to do with results. If buckling hills and valleys are hindering the results you're after you'll need to stretch. Many artists don't bother because its not an issue.
What is bull dog clips
@@nancyroberts9409 Ask at your local art supply store . . . they will show you.
this is how I feel: I just started and had no idea paper had to be prepared with a lengthy boring process. I use 140lbs paper and it always buckles immediately.after that, having a regular background is almost impossible. It is quite disheartening!
@@JWentu I just iron it when I'm done.
This is so much more straightforward than a lot of the videos on this subject. Less glamourous, less fun, but much more helpful!
Don't be afraid ;-) I enjoyed your presentation: clear and to the point. I've just started watercolour painting and, like you, wanted to avoid pre-stretching my paper.
So, I selected 300 gsm (140 pound) and 535 gsm (250 pound) papers and, so far so good; though I do prefer the heavier 535 gsm paper, which doesn't seem to bow at all. Thanks for providing confirmation that I may be on the right track.
Thank you, Steve. I watched all your 'best paper' videos, and you've helped me decide what to get. I have been struggling with watercolor, and only now realize that I have been working with the wrong paper. Who knew that all watercolor paper was not created equal? Me :( So, thank you so much!
I worked on Strathmore for a while so I could practice, but it's terrible paper. I switched to Arches and the paint and water behaves completely different.
Thanks a lot. I'd never thought about stretching paper before. Saved by your comment near the end, "Do I HAVE to stretch paper? That answer is no. NOW you're talking my language." Whew....I'm staying with your language, too.
Marian McAfee Glad it was a help. Stretching is really just a matter of whether you wish to deal with buckles or not. Simple as that. If you despise them, you must stretch or use paper that won't buckle. Many artists just put up with the buckles.
Is there a way to remove the buckle in a finished piece? I have what I *thought* was going to be a quick practice but I'm very pleased with it...so now I want to "unbuckle" it. (It's not terribly wavy.) Also--you have a new Patreon subscriber. :)
@@melaniesee8916 you may have already discovered an answer to your year old question. But one good way to flatten a completed painting that I've found works well for me is to lightly mist the back of the totally dry painting with water. Then lay it on a flat surface (I sandwich it between two layers of paper towel to help quicken the dry time) then stack some heavy books on it making sure to have the painting covered from edge to edge in weight. Leave for several hours to flatten and dry out completely. The humidity level in your local air will influence how long this takes. I live in Utah and usually just leave mine overnight to simplify things. If its a rainy day it can take a little longer, if it's a hot dry day it can work in about 6 hours. Once dry the painting will be nice and flat and ready to frame. I've found this process works much better than trying to iron the painting.
Great video! Thanks for covering the options…including going with heavier paper to avoid the whole thing altogether!
Finally someone who knows what is doing here! New subscriber and "watercolor colleague" :-P
***** Hey thanks! I appreciate the vote of confidence from another pro.
Great video! In the past I have stretched the paper using embroidery hoops. They make for interesting studies, are inexpensive, and it's easy to do!
Marina Oneill I would love to see a picture of this.
There are also massive versions used for hand quilting, a few feet across!
Wish still had ones my grandmother had as never used 100% & can’t buy stretch thing or staple! Guess tape like a lot & not super heavy w the water?
@@appleknocker56 Wider tape is more reliable but loses more of your expensive paper.
that auto stretcher=mind blown!
The Otto paper stretcher works great! I don't always use mine, but when I do, it never fails. It's easy to use.
thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich Omg Lindsay- I just finished watching your video then I ended up here:)
me too!
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Tassycrafty me, too!
Ready to resume painting after a hiatus & thought about this issue. THANK YOU for a thorough review of the WATER ISSUE. It's not about stretching, but about how much water you use, from start to finish.
If there's buckling, something has to change.
@Jim Thanks for the encouraging comment. Welcome back to the medium!
Another awesome video! I avoid stretching at all costs myself. I find that with a hefty stack of heavy books I can flatten all my finished paintings perfectly once completed. I've only tried this on 140 lb paper and up so I'm not sure how well it would work on lighter papers though. - George
Yes, its possible to flatten a painting after it dries. Doesn't prevent the valleys when you're painting unfortunately. All your washes will run into them. Can be very aggravating. For 90lb., stretching is essential. The buckling is much worse. Thanks for watching George!
Nice video. I have always stretched watercolor paper with gum tape method, and although, as you correctly point out it is not 100% reliable, like with all things, one does master the art after a while and success rate naturally increases (I'm at over 90%). Stapling method seems too much effort - especially removing them. And commercial stretchers are too expensive, esp. if one likes to have several boards ready for painting at any time. This is how things have developed : Gum tape is 50mm wide so I get boards cut exactly 50mm larger than the standard dimensions of the papers I use (I buy blocks not sheets). This ensures that a) the outer edge of tape corresponds exactly to edge of board and b) half of tape sits on the paper and half on board. So process is quicker, more accurate and consistent. I also stick small wooden "buttons" (mine are wood plugs, which I found in hardware store) on the underside of the board close to corners, so I can stack the boards flat one on top of the other - a neat solution! (I stretch 10 boards at a time). I suppose the solution one finds will depend on how one works and how often one paints. Which is what is nice about this video - it does give an overview of the options. I just wouldn't dismiss the tape method that quickly!
This is a very helpful idea
Thanks for this Steve! A wealth of knowledge in a short and sweet video! I didn’t need to watch 15 videos and try to fish through it all and make sense out of them to then decide which was the best option for my preferences! This makes it very clear to me I will continue to not use stretching unless I will be doing a painting in which my watercolour touches the edges.
I’m a beginner, I’ve never stretched my paper of 140 Lb I only hold it down with tape and when I’m done I’ll let it dry before removing the tape and there’s minimal to none bubbling or buckling and if there is some a I place it flat under a heavy stack of books for a day or 2 and problem solved.
Most comprehensive post on the subject. It's a lot clearer to me now and feel more confident going forward. Thank you 👍🏻
I had a painting class in college where we made WOOD frames for stretching papers, very similar to canvas stretchers and we stretched both watercolor papers as well as many kinds of drawing papers. The wood frames were a lot like picture frames, so no solid board under the paper. I do like drawing on stretched drawing paper, but didn't have proper woodworking tools for it after college so I left it behind - you have to make perfect right angles and they have to be pretty sturdy to withstand the tension. I never tried to use commercial canvas stretchers, but I may give that a try sometime.
I LOVE your Q and A after every point. It drives the point home and if my mind wandered, I still learn the lessons you are teaching. Brilliant teaching method. Appreciate your videos. Will subscribe now.
Hi Steve some great tips as usual, what a contentious subject... I have been experimenting with an idea I came across by accident one day when I tried to pick a wet sheet of paper off my glass table - I use a sheet of Plexiglass now cut to 1/4 imp. I do my sketching first then soak my sheet and lay it on the plexiglass, I lay a clean tea towel on top pressing out any air bubbles and removing excess water then secure the edges with about 8 small bulldog clips and start laying my wet in wet straight away. Even as the surface dries there is enough moisture on the back for the suction to hold the paper firm and flat and I can still add my fine details at the end without any bleeding. I know this will not work for everyone but it works well the fast and loose style I am playing with at the moment. I did have a few occasions where the "size" on some papers caused some adhesion when dry but it released when I slipped a pallet knife underneath.
Yes, I've seen this technique. It pretty Interesting. Cheap Joes does a video on using this approach to avoid stretching.
I am surprised you didn’t mention ironing your paintings. There are lots of videos on this. I love it!
It lets the artist just dive in.
Well preventing buckling after the painting is done is not really the purpose here. Stretching is done to prevent buckling while you are painting and keeping the paint from pooling in the valleys. 🙂
Sorry .. your video mentions how to just start painting without pre-stretching and that you don’t like to.. so I thought I’d mention it. Mine doesn’t buckle while I am painting. If I were let it dry, it does bow. But just ironing it.. it’s gone.
I use heavy paper too.
Sure, seems like a great way to smooth out a buckled painting! I usually just press mine under books. Some people even wet the back and press. I don't like to stretch because of the extra time it takes, but most people stretch to avoid the peaks and valleys that occur while they paint. Really can mess up a nice smooth wash if it buckles a lot. Bigger sheets with very wet washes are usually the problem. Thanks for the input Stacy!
I too find the buckling more of a problem for my finished pieces, not so much while painting. Never thought of ironing them. Any special tips? Do you use steam or dry iron? What setting do you put the iron on?
anniejmoran ua-cam.com/video/6AJLZ8hrJ_o/v-deo.html
There are more videos than just the link I just posted for you.
Just search UA-cam keywords “ironing watercolor paper” .. that’s how I learned.
@Amenah- Glad it was a help. Thanks for watching!
Great information and thank you so much for taking the trouble to share with the rest of us. I have quite a few instructional books on watercolour and most of them just gloss over this subject completely. Was thinking of investing in an expensive Keba paper stretcher, but now think I will just switch to 300 lb paper and save myself a lot of hassle AND be flexible with what size paper I want to paint on. Fantastic advice delivered in a fun way!
I must say I use the soaking and gummed tape method and I haven’t had problem as yet. I make sure that I have half of the width of the tape on the paper. Great tip about holding the paper up to see if it bends. I never thought about that 😊
I’ve had both success and failure. Paper tapes differ greatly in quality though and will even stretch a bit too. I also had a roll go bad over time. The gum just got weak I guess. Not sure. Staples just add insurance. Some artists don’t even bother with the tape.
I watched the video and used a second hand canvas as a test. I even used the back of a watercolor painting for the paper. I wet the paper and stapled it to the stretcher bars on the canvas. Most successful test I've ever done. Tight as a drum.
you're awesome. you're like if my dad was a professional watercolor painter instead of an engineer. thank you!
I am a beginner to watercolor and never even thought of stretching the paper! The Arches Block paper, I thought was my answer however before buying paper for watercolor painting, I have been searching for more information. I think you have answered my questions! I can't afford stretchers. I have been using 140 lb cold press arches paper for mixed media journals and probably don't use as much water as I will when I start to do watercolor paintings. I am so happy to have found your channel and am a new subscriber. Thank you! ~ Deb
artzology Thanks Deb! Welcome aboard.
I use 140 and hate stretching. I find the gummed tape very difficult to remove and often leaves glue on painting. I use a light box so 300 # is not for me. I will try the staples. On another note, if I end up with a warped finished painting, I carefully protect the back with a flat bed sheet and iron out any ripples and get a flat piece ready for framing.
Going to look into the otto stretcher. Most of my paintings are 11 x 15 (1/4 sheet). THANKS. Love your videos as always.
What I've started to do lately is to glue my paper to a 4 ply backing board and it works great. It may bow slightly with heavy washes, but returns to flat with just a little weight applied to the back once the paper is dry. All I do is draw an outline of my paper centered on the backing board. Then I apply archival adhesive like Yes glue or Lineco inside the outline (or the back of the paper itself), and line the parts up and put them together. Next I start at the paper's center and roll out any air bubbles or unevenness with a brayer and put a weight on it to keep it flat overnight. Next day is happy painting....
I made a couple of Bromley type stretchers by cutting grooves into the edges of a wooden panel, and using screen retaining spline, the kind you would use for replacing a window screen. They work quite well and are inexpensive to make if you have woodworking tools. I get no buckling whatever after stretching because, as you say, you are adding tension to an already soaked paper.
Cool! Good for you. I suspect the Bromley is really nothing more than what you stated.
Took your advice. I LOVE my otto stretcher. The 9 X 12 is great for my needs. Thank you!!
Thanks so much for this. Why professional watercolourists think that just putting a bit water down with tape is good enough is surprising given what you have said. I have watched a dozen videos and as usual yours is the most informative. I didn't know how long to leave the paper (Arches 140) and now I know. Staples make good sense. I'm still not at the point where I want to spend the money on 300 lb paper, but perhaps later. Thanks for the tips. As usual I should have gone to "The Mind" first.
I appreciated everything about this video - thank you!! I really appreciated the link to the other video - I had found a very similar tutorial on Dragonfly Spirit Studio (you tube channel) but wasn't sure I if I should try that or something like the auto-stretcher. I decided to try the video way of stretching before investing in one of the other items and WOW! Is it ever awesome and easy-peasy. The paper stretches as tight as a drum and is really bonkers good to paint on. While I rarely stretch, if I do that is the method I love. One slight difference from the video you posted is that I don't feel like I need to use the 1.5", heavy duty bars - I have had perfect luck with the standard "medium duty" 1" bars. Granted, I take the painting off the bars and then frame or mount it otherwise. I think if you are leaving the painting on the stretcher frame, though, the wider frame would be more attractive. Regardless, hugely helpful.
I would love to use 300lb arche paper, but it's outside my budget. So, have been using 140 lb and stretching. So far I've done 3-4 mins soaking and taping with gummed tape. Once in place, I rub down the tape with a dish towel to really make it stick, and since doing that, the paper has never run away,from the under the tape. I also put down a 1/2 inch of masking tape to create a white border. Maybe that helps too. I will try the stretch test next time to see if I have the right wetness. So far, may paper always comes out perfectly flat at the end.
Thanks! This wirked perfectly. Just painted my wife's valentine and previously had not liked the rippled look to the card.
I soaked my arches for 10 minutes in a paint roller tray and stapled it to a sheet of MDF. No bucking or wrinkling while painting. Looks great.
I'm going to check out your mention of the gal who uses canvas stretchers.
Thanks so much for this video. I know I watched it before, but I still haven’t gone out and purchased 300 lb paper. Instead I’ve been using 140 lb blocks. They’re pretty good for a lot of things, but definitely not a wash, especially wet in wet. I was checking prices at Dick Blick, and wondered if 300 was good enough or did I really need 400? You answered my question. I’m not sure, but I think I can still tear the 300 lb paper, but pretty sure I’d have to cut the 400 (and it’s even more expensive).
Thank you!! ❤ Great video!! AND....thank you for getting to the point right off! A lot of videos there's unrelated jabber for 10 minutes prior to the actual point. Really...... awesome video!
@Adam You got a great buy on the Neptunes for sure! When it comes to points you can get a poor point on any brush or brand no matter how expensive. I try, when possible, to test points in the store. Black velvets usually hold a really good point but they are no different than any other brush in terms of some individual brushes being better than others. I've seen some in the rack that weren't very good. Over all either line are excellent, its just down to what you prefer and how they perform for you.
Loved the presentation - hits all the high points with long experienced opinion of pros and cons of the various methods.
Nice to be able to get information from someone that has lived in the business.
One I have been seeing is using gator board as the board to staple the paper on. Good wood boards are hard to come by - if you had some you recommend maybe a link?
Thanks! This one from Amazon isn't bad. I like the metal edge in case you want to use a T-square. They are foam cored covered with thin plywood so they are light. amzn.to/3ds0fmN
Thank You Steve for helping me sort this out! I took a hiatus from watercolor and recalled wetting tape and applying it to wet paper. I found a recent hint to add diluted white glue to the tape. Result: Ripped edges on my "masterpiece"! 8-( Ugh! I need to try a new method and I think you've saved me some steps!
OMG thank you x3. I am experienced artist. Always avoided watercolor because this is so tedious, plus have to mat and frame.....so expensive. Now want to do more with watercolor...looking for simplifying recommendations. Very helpful, thanks.
I wish I could support your page Steve. You very well deserve it. I am NOT one of the 1% lol. But always striving. Starting watercolor late in the game of life isn't easy, but I am not quitting. You have helped me so much and I'm sure thousands more. Thank you for this informative vid, yet again!
You're welcome! Thanks for watching.
Same Joy, not giving this up, although I'd bet there would be a lot more people doing watercolor if they didn't need to stretch this paper! It's the thing that always set me back in getting started.
The Mind of Watercolor Hi Steve - You unraveled a mystery for me with this. Thank you. I use the heavier paper or arches board so I never stretch. That said I do a LOT of field sketching and use Stillman & Birn sketchbooks which hold up well, however I should say that I'm not soaking it with wash after wash.
I want to thank you so much for this invaluable video. I am no longer puzzled! I am gradually wading through all your video’s, as I am a new to watercolour. In a very sort time, I have seen a fair improvement in my watercolour efforts and its all down to your sharing fine knowledge.. You make your lessons fun, informative, and achievable. I am at last enjoying painting!
+Lynn Thorburn Great to hear, glad it was a help!
What a fantastic video! Thank you for all this. As a beginner this really helped a lot
I don't stretch my paper. When I'm finished painting, I lay the painting face down on a clean towel, wet the back lightly with water, put another towel on top, and then something to weigh it down. Comes out flat every time!
That’s why I’m here watching videos. I did do a painting on heavy paper and now it’s buckled.. 🙄
I just started following your channel recently. I appreciate your style and humour. I was interested in the stretching methods and followed up on the Otto system. I had a great conversation with the inventor's wife about his art and how it came about. Very nice lady. Great information on all the formats and methods. thks Mike
+Mike Boyce Cool! The Ottos system is pretty nice.
This was a fantastic Answer & Question video! This helped me with many questions about why I should or shouldn't bother stretching paper, I just bought my first Arches Block of Hot Pressed paper and I was nervous about using it, but now not so much. I'm going to try and find one of those boards to stretch my paper with staples, I figure if I'm spending all this money on Watercolor painting, than I want to do things the right way as best as possible so my work will be as good as I can make it, while I continue to learn and grow my skills! Thank-you very much for a wonderful video, I find the way you teach to be the best, all your hard work is so appreciated! Take care and Blessed Be!
Very kind thanks. So glad this was help!
As a beginner I truly appreciate your tutorials. I have learned so much! Re stretching paper: I am painting primarily miniatures and find using Arches perfectly fine without stretching. If my paper buckles a bit, I simply let it dry thoroughly then sandwich it between an acid free mat board and non-glare glass. Press down or weight down overnight. The piece is flat in a few hours. Perhaps when I am more confident & skilled I will attempt painting on larger sheets of paper that requires stretching. Thanks for sharing! Your watercolor tips are brilliant!
+B Cohen Very similar to how i approach it. I usually don't consider stretching unless the painting is 12 x 16 or larger, and then only if using very sizable wet washes. Thanks for watching!
Love your videos and tutorials. Many thanks.
Thank you for this! When I was at school we used to run the paper under a tap, use the brown tape and pop a drawing pin in each corner... 😂 now I just work small scale on thick paper! And you answered my question about using a block to avoid having to stretch! Thanks for sharing 👍
You bet! Thanks for watching Gee!
I think if you use a lighter 90lb paper tape is sufficient, also I have stapled watercolor paper wet to canvas stretcher and it is awesome! but you lose more paper that way:) On boards tho, I am a risk taker and I just use the tape, works 75% of the time LOL!
+thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weiricc I never use 90lb paper but I can imagine it could make a difference. The biggest problem I've found is that gum tape brands differ and the gum is hard to wet consistently so that it always holds and if your paper is just a bit to wet at one edge spot the hold slips. Staples are just insurance and a ton of painters out there seem to go that route now. I avoid stretching entirely if I can. What a hassle. The Otto Stretcher is quite nice. I also like the Boga board stretcher that Gayle Weisfield sells.
The Mind of Watercolor
Steve, if one wants to stretch the paper can one just use staples without the tape if closely stapled eliminating the “zillion” bulldog clips or tape? This would of course cause one to go through a lot of mounting boards.
Also, I desire your opinion on mounting the paper to an archival board with an archival water proof glue: would this be acceptable and prevent buckling? If they can do it and sell it already mounted then we should be able to do this ourselves as well.
I imagine the type of board you work on affects it too (rough grain wood = better adhesion). I use 140 lb paper secured with just tape to a rough wood board, have never had a problem with buckling!
I used to design tee shirts with hot fix rhinestones and heat transfer vinyl. I use my heat press to flatten the buckles.
You can imagine I looked strangely at your topictitel when you know that the abbreviation "WC paper" in my country of birth is used for Water Closet paper...🤗
(But clicked and watched because of my interest in watercolor).
oops! 😄
Ohhh and thank you for the other information. Until today, did not know I need to stretch paper at all. I see people taping the edges and was struggling just trying to find out what kind of tape to use...
Best watercolour paper-stretching video ever :)
Super helpful! I've recently discovered the wonder of art boards myself
I love your videos. Thank you very much for not talking down to us. This was a great help to me! Thank you again.
You're quite welcome!
Ps..your limp test was a game changer for me. Aand i found out that different weight papers take different times in the water. Since i have smaller sinks now but still have my commercial oven suzed cookie pans thats what i used for soaking.
This will seem very elementary, but I'm a beginner. When you say "soak" the paper, do you mean to submerge it entirely in something like a water bath so both sides are absorbing water, or do you mean to apply water with a brush or spray bottle as one would do while painting?
You can do either but spraying or brushing takes longer. Typically the paper is submerged or at least held under a running bath faucet on both sides. You just need it soaking wet to the core. Don't place it directly into a bathtub if you submerge it because of soap residue and such. Instead use a clean pan or as I said just hold it under the faucet.
@@mindofwatercolor ok 👍🏻 thank you for the reply and the very helpful video.
Beginner here. Just picked up my Otto stretchers because stretching paper the traditional way looked like such a pain! LOL! The Otto stretchers makes it super easy.
Was wondering, do you paint on the paper while still in the stretcher like they recommend? And if so, how do you keep the paint off the edges if covering most or all of the paper with paint?
Love your channel, thanks for the great info.
Yes. I would paint with it in the stretcher. Keeping paint off the stretcher is definitely a challenge. I really don't worry about it personally. But a lot doesn't get on there for me.
@@mindofwatercolor Thanks for the quick reply.
Does the temperature of the water make a difference? Would warm, cool or lukewarm water harm or protect the sizing?
And would something like bulldog clips work in place of staples?
I've never used anything but cold. Clips might introduce gaps and result in uneven stretching.
I love the process of stretching paper with gum tape, sad to find out not many people do. :| I never use staples either. If I have issues where the gum tap has little warps in it where it didn't stick, I use a knife to cut away the bits that didn't stick and put on a new strip of tape if it seams like the paper might buckle when I start working on it. Maybe I lucked out and got some good rolls of gum tape.
ckdesign what kind of board do you use? I got Masonite board that’s pretty thick and it STILL buckles. Should I just use glass? This is so annoying.
@@haylsizbeth5974 I use a 3/4" thick sheet of plywood. Masonite it too thin and, as you say, it buckles.
This was great fun! Now I don't feel so inadequate when I don't stretch. I had already saved the canvas stretcher idea to try just because I was intrigued. Keep up the good work. So delighted I found new and refreshing guidance for my watercolor education. Yep, I'm just starting this journey.
***** Thanks. Welcome to the journey! Glad to have you aboard!
Australian botanical artist Angela Lober has an interesting stretching method displayed on the UA-cam blog of her Norfolk Island Pine watercolor on hot press paper. After the painting is finished and dry, she turns it over onto a clean towel, spaying the back of the paper with water and then carefully brushing off the buckling with. large brush. Then she tapes it to a clean window to dry in the sunlight and it dries “tight as a drum.”
The main point of stretching is to keep the paper flat *while* painting, so the paint doesn’t puddle and create unwanted areas of concentrated color.
in my watercolor class the most annoying part was the stretching... i like to sit down and get to work... this helps alot... thanks for the video and i just subscribed... cheryl
+cheryl blue Thanks and welcome! Agreed, lets just get to painting.
cheryl blue ...sometimes...we need to “sit down and get to work” prepping a bunch of canvases in order “to sit down and get to work” on the actual painting.
Sometimes I stretch and sometimes I do not. I hardly ever even get straight to work on pre-gessoed canvas for my oils & acrylic’s preferring to further develop them before the painting starts.
A paper canvas that will not lay flat is very annoying to me but that’s me.
When I started WC painting I was taught to staple. It us very effective. It works very well unless I am going to fliat a painting instead of matting the painting.
Great information. Thank you! Was wondering what I am doing wrong. Can I go back and re-wet and stretch my Arches 140 lb paper?
Most concise explanation about WC stretching I have heard. Thanks! Very practical information for those of use who have never done it before. :)
Thanks so much, Robert DeNero of artist! Ha! I recently discovered watercolor board and I'm in love.
I’ve recently gone back into doing watercolors and I am using 140 lb, cold press. Years ago I was taught to use gummed/masking tape and a Masonite board. No staples. One taped the paper to the board, soaked everything for about ten minutes, wiped off the excess water with a clean sponge, and let it dry overnight in a horizontal position. Normally, that works, but not always. I just tried it again and the tape failed in several places. The paper looks like a shalom course of hills and valleys. I do not like the paper tape because it tends to permanently stick to the watercolor paper. One cannot staple if one is using a Masonite board. Therefore, it is off to the lumber yard to get some pine boards I can cut to fit my papers (A4 normally). Thanks for the video. I learned a better way to stretch my paper.
Thank you, Steve, for these funny and informative videos. I am very new to watercolor, so appreciate your non-snobbery....um...is that a word?! Anyway, is it true that some papers are for painting on one side only? I am trying a 300lb Moulin du Roy from Hobby Lobby. Can I use the back too? Thanks!
artgone country I would test a piece of it. Usually its ok to use either side but it may produce different results. I have painted on paper that wouldn't paint right on the "back." Don't remember what brand it was though. There is always a "front" side when most papers are made but that may not affect painting results. The texture can be a bit different on each side too.
Hi Steve, I always stretch my paper and there is a paper tape now that works 100% of the time for Susan Harrison-Tustain. Its called Luka's White. I learned it from her workshop that I attended in 2009. Although some artists have trouble with any kind of paper tape. If done correctly , meaning the humility in the atmosphere has something to do with it. If it dries too fast, it will pull away no matter what kind of paper tape is being used. I have had paper pull away from a Gorilla Watercolor Board from drying too fast. I quit using it and prefer Luka's tape for my gator-board.
I really hate bothering with stretching but the only reason I need to stretch my paper is because every minute you soak your paper, it does remove a little of the surface sizing. I need that removed because I want the pigment to be absorbed into the inner layers of the paper as much as possible. That is how I get the glazing depth that i want.
Thanks for the input. Staples are 100% reliable too no matter what tape you use. But I don't use either any more. I hate the hassle too. I have several commercial stretchers now and will do almost anything to avoid tape and staples altogether. The Boga board is pretty neat (not in the video)😀 Thanks Renee!
+The Mind of Watercolor By the way, I really love the scripture you have at the very end of your videos. I always look forward to your new ones.
+Renee Moles-Marks Awesome, thanks!
Thanks so much for the information. I like to trace some pictures I paint. How or when would I do that if I stretch my paper? Thanks.
Some people claim they regularly iron a piece of work after the fact and get a great result. I did that myself a few years ago. Worked out pretty well. Would you risk that?
I'd like to eventually work out a way to stretch mine while preserving the entire edge. I have some paper with a deckled edge that I hate to lose. I'm thinking narrow boards and woodworking clamps.
Yes ironing is fine but from the back I recommend and a towel nor pillowcase over it.
Great video. Definitely the best one on stretching I've seen. Probably worth noting that even 140 lb paper won't buckle much unless you are doing a fairly full wash across large portions of the paper. So for some compositions, you don't need to stretch or use very heavy paper.
Very true! Thanks.
Thank you so much!!! Ive been havin trouble with my paper! Wish I had seen this vídeo sooner! Thanks for the awesome tips and kindness!
Your methods are the only ones that have truly worked for me. Unfortunately where I live art supply stores don't carry 300 lbs paper anymore. I guess people didn't understand why it was more expensive or what the use was, so it was probably not a very popular choice. :(
Very informative for a beginner like myself, i didn't know about stretching until today as my mum informed me. So glad i came across your videos.
👍 welcome!
Someone who speaks my language! Stapling ruins your board and tape can be a bummer to remove. Just tried stretching 2 pieces of Moulin Du Roy and it was a total flop. Ended up fixing it to my commercial paper stretcher. Nothing really prevents cockling so I just use the thicker paper. Using Strathmore 638g NOT at the moment. Good video.
Thanks!
I use 140# Arches paper and soak it for about 5-7 minutes. It's limp like a rag so I imagine it's soaked all the way thru, then staple it to acid free, 3/4" gator board and still get a little bit of buckling. My staples are spaced about an inch apart so maybe I need to space my staples closer together? As it dries though, it flattens out.
Thats not uncommon. You might try 10-15 minutes next time and see what happens. In addition to being limp the paper needs to fully expand. You're usually not in danger of washing out the sizing unless you go longer than 30 minutes.
@@mindofwatercolor your tip worked perfectly! Went for 15 minutes and no buckling! Unfortunately, I've yet to produce a successful landscape painting. I can do pet portraits all day long but landscapes not so much. Not giving up though. Now off to destroy more paper. LOL
these are fantastic tips...my art teacher, doesn't even mention half of the knowledge you present in your video...thank you so much. Cheers ;-)
Kanzee Thanks!
Great info. I have been using Arches paper and works great for me, but I always stretch my 140 lb with staples. hard work but works great. So block paper is not stretch good to know.thanks
Like your tips and delivery,thank you !
Thanks for the info, i'm a beginner in the world of watercolor, and your videos are getting very useful to me. Thanks!!!
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