So I recently developed an interest in learning Latin. So I grabbed a friend who also wanted to learn Latin and we read the first page of Oesbergs Familia Romana and with no prior knowledge of Latin we read through the first page. (after of course reading through the minimal amount of wheelock's so as to know how to pronounce the words.) And we managed to figure out the first page within 40 minutes and here we are celebrating. Then we realise that there are 300 more pages😭
Thank you so much for the advice on how to learn La'in. I feel like I can finally make some good progress on la'in. La'in really is great! (In all seriousness this video was very helpful, thanks)
This applies to other languages as well, I as a non English speaker have learned English mostly by listening and reading. I'm learning German now the same way, and I'm well on my way to reaching B2 level. After completing that, I'm thinking of learning latin
I stumbled across this video whilst searching for a way to satisfy my need to learn a language that I intended to learn in school. My problem is not the teacher, it's the time. We have 3 lessons of Latin per week, making for a grand total of 160 minutes at best. In my humble view, that is not nearly enough time to learn a Language as complex as Latin. I have written down the name of each of the books you mentioned and I shall start to check them out at once. Thank you for this video.
Lingua Latina and Assimil are the only two methods I've tried. Both are excellent and will lead the learner to reach a considerably advanced level...provided that the learner does the entire courses and on a consistent (nearly-daily) basis. The latter method (Assimil) is even more thorough than Familia Romana grammar-wise, but requires even more stamina to get through. It's worth it, though, and at the end one will have acquired the internal logic of the language almost intuitively. To reinforce the grammar, Wheelock's Latin is supposed to be excellent.
I appreciate the ideas that you shared. As a "dead" language it is more difficult to learn if for the fact that is more difficult to find sources of passive knowledge, though through youtube as a crowdsourcing video hosting service and Latin teachers, speakers, and hobbyists have become more readily available. It is still far and away considering that most standardized spoken languages in the greater developed countries, you can use radio stations, vlogs, and music where such resources are exceptionally scarce in Latin. Still, I do not personally know anybody who can actually comprehend spoken Latin so I've resorted to saying it out loud hoping that I might catch at least some oral mistakes and then, if it is not understood, I translate.
I took 4 years of Latin in school and it never clicked too well with me. Later in life I learned Italian and then started hearing "eccesiastical Latin" spoken by the Pope and I was amazed how much I understood. If you pronounce Latin with the Italian pronunciation rules, it becomes MUCH easier to understand, plus it "sounds" more like a living language and thus becomes more engaging.
This comment section is so weird and pretentious. He's not speaking Latin in the video, so there's no need for him to pronounce every single Latin word like Cicero. In fact, that probably would have been insufferable. If I told you that I ate "yoğurt" on the "patio" every morning with "café" and "crème" while reading the works of 孔夫子, I hope you would slap me in the face.
Thank you 🙏🏻, i actually started learning Spanish by reading a simply Spanish book for youths. With Latin I went to get bilbo in Latin. It’s quite easy understandable Latin but many words to learn first. This book Is brilliant in the way it builds up the level of grammar over time.
This is a marvelous point of view, and it is entirely credible. I'm into Chapter XV of Lingua Latina now, and I find it much more interesting than the Cambridge Latin Course, which is not bad --- just not as good. Lingua Latina does become pretty dense for a beginner, so I've been doing regular repeats of earlier chapters. It's enjoyable, and I feel like I am making progress. Thanks!
I liked this video better at 1.25x speed. Your diction is so clear it can readily be sped up without loss of information, which is great. Also I'm glad to see you back.
Great video! Thank you! I have studied Latin on and off with the Lingua Latina series and have always read aloud. I believe that this is very helpful in the beginning stages of learning, especially if you have no good audio recordings. Do you agree? At what point would you stop reading aloud and focus on silent reading at a faster pace?
For those learning, Clozemaster is not terrible, in that it forces you to learn complete sentences, is definitely a quantity over quality approach. It is however only one vestibulum into the language.
Though Familia Romana is really good for beginners to get reading Latin as early as possible, I find it ill prepares one for Roma Aeterna, where the complexity suddenly ramps up. It only works so well in the beginning because the constructions are so simple.
For me the best Latin reader is the multivolume ARABUM PROVERBIA, which allows me to further my knowledge of both Latin and Arabic at the same time. Two classical languages sharing a single space. But of course, I am an orientalist at heart. Recently I have also been studying Persian through the medium of Latin language texts. Latin ceases to be the object of study per se, but rather the means, an open window to other linguistic systems.
Thanks for this. You mention in your book that it is best to gather beginners courses with bi-lingual translations and audio. Lingua Latina does not have a translation. Will that prove to be a big obstacle when using the materials as a near absolute beginner?
Hi now I am 6 chapters in to Familia Romana and I understand the answer to my own question. haha! Its an excellent text and I love going through it. Thanks Dr. Conlon!
Almost 50 years ago when I took Latin.we learned it as a spoken language. The same way you did any.language. I had 4 years of classical.Greek and 1 year of Biblical Hebrew. It was for word study of the Bible However in Greek we read the Illiad and Odyssey. That is several hundred pages each.
idk why but i do that too. is it that weird? doesn't everyone use one for words like "button" and "mutton"? also i noticed that i do it at the end of a lot of words that end in t.
+Isabel Verhoeven Interesting. It's an urban accent in the U.K., particularly London and Glasgow. It's distinctive for Cockney and Glaswegian pronunciation.
Most American English accents drop the T, or turn it into a d (i.e metal would sound like medal). I've been taking latin for 2 years and I pronounce it la'in.
this is amazing, i won't be learning Latin for a while i am interested in it. Im learning German now, im mostly missing vocab, i can understand a great deal, but my lack of a rich vocabulary is holding me back. Do you have any recommendations of books like these for German?
would greatly appreciate it dude. Quick question have you ever tried to use "Memory Palaces" to learn new words? I've been using it for German and Japanese and I'm getting good results.
This video was what I requested in your other video. I'm studying arabic and have a bilingual book of Averroes, decisive treatise & epistle dedicatory. And I really want to thank you for your tips on how to use an billingual book.
Here in the Netherlands when you study Latin in Secondary School you do sit down for an hour and try to translate a text, probably from a classic author like Cicero.
He Daan, most Dutch Latin teachers really ought to be deeply ashamed about themselves, but it is slowly starting to change in the Netherlands, at least at a few schools and universities, thanks in part to Casper Porton, who is actively promoting (and selling) Orberg in the Netherlands. How Porton discovered Orberg and why he is so enthusiastic about it, you can find below.* I saw that you are into minecraft. Have you already discovered the youtube channel of Magister Craft? ** It weds two of your interests, presuming that you take an interest in (living) Latin. * www.addisco.nl/lingua-latina-per-se-illustrata-llpsi/ ** ua-cam.com/channels/TtKmPD0_Qo9Uy932ZGKFhA.html
I wish I could know who this Deka Glossai is. His videos have helped me a lot. I don't know who he is, what his name is, and the link is broken to find his book on Amazon. Whowever you are Deka Glossai, well done!
It is an affected pronunciation of this word. I had a Latin student who did it. The good news is that Romans would never have pronounced the word that way. Romani dicerent 'sermo Latinus', 'lingua Latina', 'Latine', cet. Qua de causa hoc minime refert.
Quid opinaris de libro "conversational Latin for oral proficiency", quem, nisi fallor, in tuis primis pelliculis commemoravisti? Estne is liber satis auxilio? Quoniam mox empturus sum Roma Aeterna paene perlecta.
excellent video ! do you think classical or ecclesiastical latin is "better" ? judging from your video about greek I would assume ecclesiastical latin ?
Yes, you are 100% correct, learning a new language you must contain that language never think in others when speaking or reading it. Tho never forget the languages you do know, and especially not your native tongue as your brain is programmed in it and forgetting it will make it so you can never fully understand yourself. Tho Im leaning russian and not lating, I just wanted someone to explain to me the rules of classical latik writing so I dont butcher the pronounciations.
Could you reference your source that shows that quantity of text is more useful than complexity of text for learning a new language? I am only finding the opposite.
Great video! I have very little experience with Latin. Would you recommend diving straight into Lingua Latina or doing some prep work before hand? I came across a method online that recommends memorizing most of the grammatical forms of words first, then going into Lingua Latina. I'm eager to start! Thanks for answering my question.
I started with some beige book call "Latin for beginners" it gives you some basic words but mostly gets you up to date on the most essential grammar without becoming oppressive about it. I'll see if I can get you the link.
Have you considered Adler's Latin Grammar and Evan Der Millner's audio course based on it called Latinum? I think they're great. Thanks for the great video!
So, there is no Greek version of this type of fluency learning method? I am also interested in ancient Greek. I studied Latin in college. I took the 101-104, then 110 (Virgil : Aeneid) and then Comparative Lantin and Greek grammar. And, even though I am through with the 2nd chapter of the first book, the ease of my reading and fluency is very noticeable. Thanks for the video.
Will you also make a video for Ancient Greek, or was your video of Modern vs Ancient Greek suggesting that one should just start with Modern Greek and work backwards?
I'm only interested in learning Latin to improve my English; would it be better to start with Italian first? Doing this for Greek (I speak French fluently & a little Spanish)?
I was happy to find this video and particularly the suggestion on reading and re-reading until you can read at the speed of English. I've been studying Latin and Greek for years and was about to give up because, as he says, it takes me an hour or more of painstaking decoding to "read" a single page. I had tried Orberg a while back, but I struggled through Familia Romana finding the early chapters easy but the later ones hard. Re-reading each chapter repeatedly made FR much easier, and I completed it with great confidence in this method. However, both Orberg's and Deka Glossai's method fell apart pretty quickly once I got to Roma Aeterna. I'm up to chapter 43, and each chapter has been painful. I'm now back to an hour, even two, per page. The problem is, the inductive/natural method works well for simple Latin, like what you find in FR, but for the extremely complex and convoluted language of an author like Livy, you cannot inductively understand which words go where and you end up back in the same situation. Deka Glossai has a Ph.D. from, I believe, Columbia, so he's obviously a brilliant guy, and you have to take that into account when he says he can read text like that in RA fluently. For the rest of us, who just want to read Latin, the most we can hope to achieve is a reading fluency of very simple Latin like that in Beeson or the Vulgate. I'm done with Orberg, his method was good for FR but totally fails in RA.
Do these books come with a cd or something to correct myself. I’m Spanish speaker so it would be easy but the sounds are diff between ecclesiastical and classical
You mention putting the links to the mentioned resources in the description, but what links there are, are to Greek and Sanskrit. I would love to follow up on what you started here.
Totally agree with you! Lingua Latina is a work of genius! I wish they would make the same thing for Greek and Sanskrit! Maybe that is a project for you, Deka Glossai!
i will try lingva latina per se illustrada, i am fluent in english although my native language is greek, and i am planning to learn ancient greek after latin
Thank you for a marvellous video. As an early-intermediate audodidact that has used both Wheelock and lingua latina, I can attest to the superiority of the latter. You mention several times that you would link to both books and sources in the description, but i can't seem to find them? I also noticed a lack of citation in one of you other videos. I'm not doubting your knowledge or your integrity, but for a layman like myself with an interest in lingustical matters, it would be very interesting to continue exploring. In any case, gratias ago.
I am impressed by the books Claude Pavour has produced, especially the accelerated readers. Quid opinaris? And what do you think of the Ossa Mera of Fr. Foster?
Can "Lingua Latina per se Illustrata" be used by absolute beginners to effectively learn Latin? Or do I need a bit of a background in Latin to use it well? Thanks!
I want an audio of this book because I live in France and you know the French accent isn't a stereotype, almost all French people have French accent in other languages (latin included) :/
Je suis russe mais je vis en France et j’apprenais le latin au collège et maintenant j’apprends le grec ancien et je sais jamais si je dois lire en classe avec l’accent français comme tout le monde ou avec l’accent russe qui selon moi se rapproche plus de la prononciation demandée
I’ve been reading Familia Romana for about 2 weeks now. I’m using it as if it’s a textbook and I’m trying to memorize stuff as I go along, which is taking some time as I tend to forget minor details. Should I do that, or just read without any attempt at memorization? Will I learn Latin just from reading these books as if they’re Written in English? Or does taking notes and studying these notes and memorizing stuff speed up the process?
After RA, your Latin will be really solid. You can go at them in any order you like. But Caesar, Ovid, and Plautus will be easier, while Vergil, Petronius, and Cicero/Sallust will be slightly harder
Another option that was published in 2022 is via latina: vita romanorum. This text is good for beginners and intermediates. Written entirely in latin like Familia Romana. Also easy to follow and understand
My 2 Denarii. #1- Start with easy Translation Videos, like Mincraftium on Y0u Tube. #2- Get a copy of "The Orbis Pictus" (The World in Pictures); a 17th century Picture Book by John Amos Comenius. It translates Latin side-by-side with English. It literally starts out with "Cornix cornicatur / The Crow crieth" ! #3- Read the Latin Vulgate Bible on line. Again, it starts out "In principio creavit Deus,,,,,,,. / In the beginning God created,,,,,,,,,. " ! The Videos are fun to watch, and the Books are easy & self paced. Good Luck !
Hi Deka, I love your videos and they have influenced me more than a little in my studies. I'm about to finish FR for the seventh reading, I have read the Cambridge series 1-5 (5 times), I'm about to finish the Oxford series for the fifth time and I'm going to start the Reading Latin course and work through that 5 times. It would seem like overkill if it weren't for the very real and important data driven research behind comprehensible input. My question is this- do you think I should go onto Roma Aeterna after the Reading Latin course, or should I read some of the readers in the Orberg series. I know about the reputation of RA and I don't won't to set myself up for a fall. Anyway, I hope you can help me out here and thanks for the wonderful videos.
For Latin, you might also like Evan der Millner's audio context, on Patreon and UA-cam. Not only comprehensible input, but through the ear. I took his 335 video audiovisual course: it changed my Latin completely.
@@mcchang1032 I tried, but it's extremely hard to navigate the course. I don't actually like speaking the language, either. I think the best way to learn how to read a language is reading. I've tried to look for research that backs this up, but unfortunately there isn't any (or at least, not that I'm aware of). My opinions aren't set in stone though, so if something comes along that proves me wrong, I'll be the first to adjust my methods.
@@travelsinchinese640 Aha, to be sure, I was also in the middle of Millner's Adler's Practical Grammar Course, which uses drills in a Latin-English-Latin format, so the Latin input on the repetition becomes highly comprehensible. It's true, if reading is the main goal, then an audiovisual course may seem like a detour, but in my experience it has vastly increased the speed at which I read (which I mostly do out loud, to strengthen the mouth-brain connection). Whichever way you go, good luck! I'm a bit of an "evangelist" for Evan ;-)
@@mcchang1032 Hey- that's great- we all have our heroes in the hedonistic world of Latin pedagogy... Mine is Orberg. I find it really weird to chat and connect on youtube- do you use Facebook Learning Latin groups?
he speaks with such a sense of urgency i think if i don't go out and learn latin right now everyone's gonna die
So, did you start? You know how many people died in the last three months?
True
Thanks alot lucas. Im dead now!
@@categories5066 Rest in peace.
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU SAY HELLO IN LATIN!
After watching this video I have become 100% fluent in Latin. I jumped in my time machine and became a Roman prince for a couple years. Thanks
Shikese hahaha
XD
So I recently developed an interest in learning Latin.
So I grabbed a friend who also wanted to learn Latin and we read the first page of Oesbergs Familia Romana and with no prior knowledge of Latin we read through the first page. (after of course reading through the minimal amount of wheelock's so as to know how to pronounce the words.)
And we managed to figure out the first page within 40 minutes and here we are celebrating.
Then we realise that there are 300 more pages😭
omg goals I WISH i
Trafalgar Law
@@mannytps9986 Room
Great book
How was it after one year?
OMGosh! I hit the gold mine with this video, thank you!
Don't use God's name in vain. Look up vaticancatholic.com to see how to be saved.
@@GM-uy3cm goddamnit another catholic
@@GM-uy3cm they said “Gosh”. Gosh does not equal god.
Right?!
@@GM-uy3cm what the bible meant was to not use god's name in witchcraft. it doesn't tell you that you can't be saying "oh my god", much less 'OMGosh'.
I’m trying to learn Latin, but I can’t remember most of the words
Escuche las Misas de Radio Domina Nostra de Don Minutella y Don Enrico Maria Roncaglia.!!!
did u learn
checking up on you, how's it going so far
Get a notebook. Have you been to school? That's what students always do - they write to memorize better.
Thank you so much for the advice on how to learn La'in. I feel like I can finally make some good progress on la'in. La'in really is great! (In all seriousness this video was very helpful, thanks)
😅
I can’t take you seriously when you pronounce the language “la’in”.
@@kirkpatticalma7911 Perhaps, but what he’s saying is true and very good advice.
Right away, Greek and now Latin posts from you. Super! Thank you.
It's a pleasure!
I did 4 years of Latin in high school, and this video has made me dive back into it.
This applies to other languages as well, I as a non English speaker have learned English mostly by listening and reading. I'm learning German now the same way, and I'm well on my way to reaching B2 level. After completing that, I'm thinking of learning latin
I stumbled across this video whilst searching for a way to satisfy my need to learn a language that I intended to learn in school.
My problem is not the teacher, it's the time. We have 3 lessons of Latin per week, making for a grand total of 160 minutes at best. In my humble view, that is not nearly enough time to learn a Language as complex as Latin.
I have written down the name of each of the books you mentioned and I shall start to check them out at once.
Thank you for this video.
this guy sounds like he's yelling at you
Rachel Bumante consentiō, vox mihi nōn placet.
@@vincentiusrex Latin?
Rachel Bumante just only speaking
Rachel...you need to S2. If you think he is yelling at you, you are already on the defensive. Listen to the words, not how the words are presented
Roman men were warriors and exercised a lot.
Lingua Latina and Assimil are the only two methods I've tried. Both are excellent and will lead the learner to reach a considerably advanced level...provided that the learner does the entire courses and on a consistent (nearly-daily) basis. The latter method (Assimil) is even more thorough than Familia Romana grammar-wise, but requires even more stamina to get through. It's worth it, though, and at the end one will have acquired the internal logic of the language almost intuitively. To reinforce the grammar, Wheelock's Latin is supposed to be excellent.
"La ' - in" What happened to the letter "T?"
LOL The 'T' is silent - see his modern American English video.
It's a glottal stop, like in uh-oh . It's a common thing here in scotland and I think in England too
Americans don't pronounce T almost at all they usually either skip or make a softer quiter d sound
Americans don'd pronounce "T" ad all? Wad dhe fuck
He must have a grievance with Mr T
I appreciate the ideas that you shared. As a "dead" language it is more difficult to learn if for the fact that is more difficult to find sources of passive knowledge, though through youtube as a crowdsourcing video hosting service and Latin teachers, speakers, and hobbyists have become more readily available. It is still far and away considering that most standardized spoken languages in the greater developed countries, you can use radio stations, vlogs, and music where such resources are exceptionally scarce in Latin. Still, I do not personally know anybody who can actually comprehend spoken Latin so I've resorted to saying it out loud hoping that I might catch at least some oral mistakes and then, if it is not understood, I translate.
I took 4 years of Latin in school and it never clicked too well with me. Later in life I learned Italian and then started hearing "eccesiastical Latin" spoken by the Pope and I was amazed how much I understood. If you pronounce Latin with the Italian pronunciation rules, it becomes MUCH easier to understand, plus it "sounds" more like a living language and thus becomes more engaging.
This comment section is so weird and pretentious. He's not speaking Latin in the video, so there's no need for him to pronounce every single Latin word like Cicero. In fact, that probably would have been insufferable. If I told you that I ate "yoğurt" on the "patio" every morning with "café" and "crème" while reading the works of 孔夫子, I hope you would slap me in the face.
A clear, concise instructors voice. I would suggest slowing down a bit. I was in the military and my first sentence may make more sense in context.
Thank you 🙏🏻, i actually started learning Spanish by reading a simply Spanish book for youths. With Latin I went to get bilbo in Latin. It’s quite easy understandable Latin but many words to learn first. This book Is brilliant in the way it builds up the level of grammar over time.
This is a marvelous point of view, and it is entirely credible. I'm into Chapter XV of Lingua Latina now, and I find it much more interesting than the Cambridge Latin Course, which is not bad --- just not as good. Lingua Latina does become pretty dense for a beginner, so I've been doing regular repeats of earlier chapters. It's enjoyable, and I feel like I am making progress. Thanks!
I liked this video better at 1.25x speed. Your diction is so clear it can readily be sped up without loss of information, which is great.
Also I'm glad to see you back.
For those in need of latin audio and speaking practice, it's hard to beat Evan Millner's Latinum. Worth every penny.
Great video! Thank you!
I have studied Latin on and off with the Lingua Latina series and have always read aloud. I believe that this is very helpful in the beginning stages of learning, especially if you have no good audio recordings. Do you agree? At what point would you stop reading aloud and focus on silent reading at a faster pace?
i have no interest in language, but this video is motivating me so much to work harder at my norwegian studying
For those learning, Clozemaster is not terrible, in that it forces you to learn complete sentences, is definitely a quantity over quality approach. It is however only one vestibulum into the language.
Though Familia Romana is really good for beginners to get reading Latin as early as possible, I find it ill prepares one for Roma Aeterna, where the complexity suddenly ramps up. It only works so well in the beginning because the constructions are so simple.
I have been trying to find this channel for a long time.
For me the best Latin reader is the multivolume ARABUM PROVERBIA, which allows me to further my knowledge of both Latin and Arabic at the same time. Two classical languages sharing a single space. But of course, I am an orientalist at heart. Recently I have also been studying Persian through the medium of Latin language texts. Latin ceases to be the object of study per se, but rather the means, an open window to other linguistic systems.
but rather becomes the means
assuming thus a transparency comparable to that of French as a means of language acquisition through the Assimil book.
I did Latin in school and am studying Arabic currently, so THANK YOU FOR TELLING ME ABOUT THIS BOOK!
I am as much a near Eastern orientalist as I am a Europhile. I recognize the common origin of both civilizations.....
Thanks for this. You mention in your book that it is best to gather beginners courses with bi-lingual translations and audio. Lingua Latina does not have a translation. Will that prove to be a big obstacle when using the materials as a near absolute beginner?
Hi now I am 6 chapters in to Familia Romana and I understand the answer to my own question. haha! Its an excellent text and I love going through it. Thanks Dr. Conlon!
Almost 50 years ago when I took Latin.we learned it as a spoken language. The same way you did any.language. I had 4 years of classical.Greek and 1 year of Biblical Hebrew. It was for word study of the Bible
However in Greek we read the Illiad and Odyssey. That is several hundred pages each.
Those are the languages I want to learn. Would you agree with this video for learning latin?
Why do keep pronouncing the word Latin with a glottal stop in the middle?
Thomas West III init bare annoying
idk why but i do that too. is it that weird? doesn't everyone use one for words like "button" and "mutton"? also i noticed that i do it at the end of a lot of words that end in t.
+Isabel Verhoeven Interesting. It's an urban accent in the U.K., particularly London and Glasgow. It's distinctive for Cockney and Glaswegian pronunciation.
Marrie Wademan roadman.
Most American English accents drop the T, or turn it into a d (i.e metal would sound like medal). I've been taking latin for 2 years and I pronounce it la'in.
BTW have you been living in Arguelles's house? You seem to be doing an impression of him sometimes 00:49 to 01:20 especially
I can read latin, bow before me you peasants
jk
Lol
Back in the day, the peasants spoke Latin and the Roman aristocracy spoke Greek.
So it goes...
Ego non modo legere possum, sed quoque latine loquor.
@TheArtisticlittle Beetle african American means fur habebat vehentem
@@DrWhom Amici, quesque barbarus alii(alio?).
I noticed you were gone from youtube for a while but man am I glad you are back. thank you for all the useful information
Good to see you've returned! Looking forward to your future videos :)
Thanks!
Your advices are very helpful, thank you!
I’m currently learning Latin in school and I recommend it to everyone
Missed your videos so much, great work!
Thank you!
this is amazing, i won't be learning Latin for a while i am interested in it. Im learning German now, im mostly missing vocab, i can understand a great deal, but my lack of a rich vocabulary is holding me back. Do you have any recommendations of books like these for German?
I'll make a video about resources for German in the near future
would greatly appreciate it dude. Quick question have you ever tried to use "Memory Palaces" to learn new words? I've been using it for German and Japanese and I'm getting good results.
+Christian Segovia Do you mean "mnemonics", or is that completely unrelated?
Alice In Salt Land
i guess you could say that memory palaces are a subset of mnemonic methods. They're fun to use
what series is profile pic from?
Cristian Segovia I have no idea...
Is it possible to get the books at a library
Thanks for learning
This video was what I requested in your other video. I'm studying arabic and have a bilingual book of Averroes, decisive treatise & epistle dedicatory. And I really want to thank you for your tips on how to use an billingual book.
Good luck with Arabic! I haven't looked at it yet, but it's on my list...
hello Averroes Dude ,can you please give the titles of the books ,info.on where to get them please ,Thankyou
Here in the Netherlands when you study Latin in Secondary School you do sit down for an hour and try to translate a text, probably from a classic author like Cicero.
He Daan, most Dutch Latin teachers really ought to be deeply ashamed about themselves, but it is slowly starting to change in the Netherlands, at least at a few schools and universities, thanks in part to Casper Porton, who is actively promoting (and selling) Orberg in the Netherlands. How Porton discovered Orberg and why he is so enthusiastic about it, you can find below.*
I saw that you are into minecraft. Have you already discovered the youtube channel of Magister Craft? ** It weds two of your interests, presuming that you take an interest in (living) Latin.
*
www.addisco.nl/lingua-latina-per-se-illustrata-llpsi/
**
ua-cam.com/channels/TtKmPD0_Qo9Uy932ZGKFhA.html
100% agree with you.
How crazy that I found an online version of Piccolimini's book from 1832; with Italian translations side-by-side ?!
Thanks a lot for these precious pointers, friend!
Wonderful intro to Latin study.
I don't see the links that are said to be located in the description. Am I missing something?
Ended up searching for relgious reasons and the roman Catholics speak latin at times figured it be wise to learn in case and it seemed cool
Awesome and encouraging advice! Thank you so much for making this video.
I'm glad you're back, but where are your old videos?
Thanks! I took them down. I wasn't happy with them...
+deka glossai Yeh, but we loved them:)
I just put back up some of the ones that I think are ok...
I watched this video then I passed my major art exam.... thankyou my friend Xx
I wish I could know who this Deka Glossai is. His videos have helped me a lot. I don't know who he is, what his name is, and the link is broken to find his book on Amazon. Whowever you are Deka Glossai, well done!
I'd also want to add that listening and reading are the most important skills for language learning in general.
What is this La'in he speaks of?
Is that related to LaTin?
I hear they're related...
deka glossai lol
Modern English is dropping T sounds, aren't you commenting on a linguistics video?
It is an affected pronunciation of this word. I had a Latin student who did it. The good news is that Romans would never have pronounced the word that way. Romani dicerent 'sermo Latinus', 'lingua Latina', 'Latine', cet. Qua de causa hoc minime refert.
Cur hoc non dicis Latine, homo qui 'deka glossa' te ipsum dicis? (Consentio cum aliis qui dicunt modum quo dicis 'La'in' Anglice pluchrum non esse.)
Quid opinaris de libro "conversational Latin for oral proficiency", quem, nisi fallor, in tuis primis pelliculis commemoravisti? Estne is liber satis auxilio? Quoniam mox empturus sum Roma Aeterna paene perlecta.
Super helpful, great video.
Great viedeo, but where are the links in the description? :O
Where are the links?
excellent video ! do you think classical or ecclesiastical latin is "better" ? judging from your video about greek I would assume ecclesiastical latin ?
Yes, you are 100% correct, learning a new language you must contain that language never think in others when speaking or reading it.
Tho never forget the languages you do know, and especially not your native tongue as your brain is programmed in it and forgetting it will make it so you can never fully understand yourself.
Tho Im leaning russian and not lating, I just wanted someone to explain to me the rules of classical latik writing so I dont butcher the pronounciations.
Could you reference your source that shows that quantity of text is more useful than complexity of text for learning a new language? I am only finding the opposite.
LOVE THIS!
I bought and read your book! Great job and very helpful, I really enjoyed it.
Great video! I have very little experience with Latin. Would you recommend diving straight into Lingua Latina or doing some prep work before hand? I came across a method online that recommends memorizing most of the grammatical forms of words first, then going into Lingua Latina. I'm eager to start! Thanks for answering my question.
I started with some beige book call "Latin for beginners" it gives you some basic words but mostly gets you up to date on the most essential grammar without becoming oppressive about it. I'll see if I can get you the link.
www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0979505100/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1472769874&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=beginner+latin
Sorry, It's actually called "getting started in Latin".
Have you considered Adler's Latin Grammar and Evan Der Millner's audio course based on it called Latinum? I think they're great. Thanks for the great video!
I looked into years ago, but I should give it another shot. Thanks for the kind words!
Was gonna make the same comment, but you made it three years ago.
@@dekaglossai I think he means principally the audio course based on the book, not immediately the book.
me, a classically educated nerd: *sees my curriculum on screen*
me:
me: oh? my teachers were right?
No they were not
So, there is no Greek version of this type of fluency learning method? I am also interested in ancient Greek. I studied Latin in college. I took the 101-104, then 110 (Virgil : Aeneid) and then Comparative Lantin and Greek grammar. And, even though I am through with the 2nd chapter of the first book, the ease of my reading and fluency is very noticeable. Thanks for the video.
Will you also make a video for Ancient Greek, or was your video of Modern vs Ancient Greek suggesting that one should just start with Modern Greek and work backwards?
I just posted a new video about Ancient Greek. Enjoy!
Thank you, this was extremely helpful.
I'm only interested in learning Latin to improve my English; would it be better to start with Italian first?
Doing this for Greek (I speak French fluently & a little Spanish)?
I was happy to find this video and particularly the suggestion on reading and re-reading until you can read at the speed of English. I've been studying Latin and Greek for years and was about to give up because, as he says, it takes me an hour or more of painstaking decoding to "read" a single page. I had tried Orberg a while back, but I struggled through Familia Romana finding the early chapters easy but the later ones hard. Re-reading each chapter repeatedly made FR much easier, and I completed it with great confidence in this method. However, both Orberg's and Deka Glossai's method fell apart pretty quickly once I got to Roma Aeterna. I'm up to chapter 43, and each chapter has been painful. I'm now back to an hour, even two, per page. The problem is, the inductive/natural method works well for simple Latin, like what you find in FR, but for the extremely complex and convoluted language of an author like Livy, you cannot inductively understand which words go where and you end up back in the same situation. Deka Glossai has a Ph.D. from, I believe, Columbia, so he's obviously a brilliant guy, and you have to take that into account when he says he can read text like that in RA fluently. For the rest of us, who just want to read Latin, the most we can hope to achieve is a reading fluency of very simple Latin like that in Beeson or the Vulgate. I'm done with Orberg, his method was good for FR but totally fails in RA.
Are you the same guy who said this on Amazon? It's pretty well-known that there's a leap from FR to RA, but Oerberg wrote readers to bridge that gap.
Do these books come with a cd or something to correct myself. I’m Spanish speaker so it would be easy but the sounds are diff between ecclesiastical and classical
this is such a great guide, thank you.
Thanks for the great content, looking forward to the German resources video.
LLPSI is not currently on Audible -- will there be an Audible version any time soon?
I can’t find the “in usum Delphini.”
You mention putting the links to the mentioned resources in the description, but what links there are, are to Greek and Sanskrit. I would love to follow up on what you started here.
I feel like he is the officer of the Latin boot camp.
instructions unclear, I accidently summoned a demon.
Totally agree with you! Lingua Latina is a work of genius! I wish they would make the same thing for Greek and Sanskrit! Maybe that is a project for you, Deka Glossai!
Huskylonghorn I believe Athenaze is a Greek textbook that is similar to LL
i will try lingva latina per se illustrada, i am fluent in english although my native language is greek, and i am planning to learn ancient greek after latin
Δε μπορείς να καταλάβεις Αρχαία τώρα; Γιατί; Νόμιζα ότι οι Έλληνες μπορούσαν να τα καταλάβουν.
Thank you for a marvellous video. As an early-intermediate audodidact that has used both Wheelock and lingua latina, I can attest to the superiority of the latter. You mention several times that you would link to both books and sources in the description, but i can't seem to find them? I also noticed a lack of citation in one of you other videos. I'm not doubting your knowledge or your integrity, but for a layman like myself with an interest in lingustical matters, it would be very interesting to continue exploring. In any case, gratias ago.
I am impressed by the books Claude Pavour has produced, especially the accelerated readers. Quid opinaris? And what do you think of the Ossa Mera of Fr. Foster?
La'ine loqui'ur.
hahae.
VILIS
How the-
Can "Lingua Latina per se Illustrata" be used by absolute beginners to effectively learn Latin? Or do I need a bit of a background in Latin to use it well? Thanks!
You are so intelligent.
This video kicks ass!
:)
I want an audio of this book because I live in France and you know the French accent isn't a stereotype, almost all French people have French accent in other languages (latin included) :/
Je suis russe mais je vis en France et j’apprenais le latin au collège et maintenant j’apprends le grec ancien et je sais jamais si je dois lire en classe avec l’accent français comme tout le monde ou avec l’accent russe qui selon moi se rapproche plus de la prononciation demandée
The channel Scorpio Martinis has a whole playlist
I’ve been reading Familia Romana for about 2 weeks now. I’m using it as if it’s a textbook and I’m trying to memorize stuff as I go along, which is taking some time as I tend to forget minor details.
Should I do that, or just read without any attempt at memorization?
Will I learn Latin just from reading these books as if they’re Written in English? Or does taking notes and studying these notes and memorizing stuff speed up the process?
Just add -um in every word
Paradisum
Latinum
Grammaticum
Any other word
Anyum otherum wordum?
@@midnighthorns Therae aro notum othera wordus
add as or am for the 1st declension.
add us or um for 2nd declension.
add em for the 3rd declension.
And add -os for instant spanish
PARADIS
LATIN/A
GRAMATICA
The way he pronounces Latin. Sorry, I couldn’t resist.
What's your recommended order for the LLPSI readers after RA?
After RA, your Latin will be really solid. You can go at them in any order you like. But Caesar, Ovid, and Plautus will be easier, while Vergil, Petronius, and Cicero/Sallust will be slightly harder
Fantastic video. Can you suggest a good textbook for Modern Greek at B2 level ?
2B or not 2B? That is the question.
Is there an equivalent but for german also? I can't really seem to find any
Where are the old videos where you got to see him in his cable-knit sweaters. I miss those....
Another option that was published in 2022 is via latina: vita romanorum. This text is good for beginners and intermediates. Written entirely in latin like Familia Romana. Also easy to follow and understand
I read the cambridge latin in my latin class. I have no idea what in doing.
My 2 Denarii.
#1- Start with easy Translation Videos, like Mincraftium on Y0u Tube.
#2- Get a copy of "The Orbis Pictus" (The World in Pictures); a 17th century Picture Book by John Amos Comenius. It translates Latin side-by-side with English.
It literally starts out with "Cornix cornicatur / The Crow crieth" !
#3- Read the Latin Vulgate Bible on line. Again, it starts out "In principio creavit Deus,,,,,,,. / In the beginning God created,,,,,,,,,. " !
The Videos are fun to watch, and the Books are easy & self paced.
Good Luck !
Thank you.
Hi Deka, I love your videos and they have influenced me more than a little in my studies. I'm about to finish FR for the seventh reading, I have read the Cambridge series 1-5 (5 times), I'm about to finish the Oxford series for the fifth time and I'm going to start the Reading Latin course and work through that 5 times. It would seem like overkill if it weren't for the very real and important data driven research behind comprehensible input. My question is this- do you think I should go onto Roma Aeterna after the Reading Latin course, or should I read some of the readers in the Orberg series. I know about the reputation of RA and I don't won't to set myself up for a fall. Anyway, I hope you can help me out here and thanks for the wonderful videos.
For Latin, you might also like Evan der Millner's audio context, on Patreon and UA-cam. Not only comprehensible input, but through the ear. I took his 335 video audiovisual course: it changed my Latin completely.
@@mcchang1032 I tried, but it's extremely hard to navigate the course. I don't actually like speaking the language, either. I think the best way to learn how to read a language is reading. I've tried to look for research that backs this up, but unfortunately there isn't any (or at least, not that I'm aware of). My opinions aren't set in stone though, so if something comes along that proves me wrong, I'll be the first to adjust my methods.
@@travelsinchinese640 Aha, to be sure, I was also in the middle of Millner's Adler's Practical Grammar Course, which uses drills in a Latin-English-Latin format, so the Latin input on the repetition becomes highly comprehensible. It's true, if reading is the main goal, then an audiovisual course may seem like a detour, but in my experience it has vastly increased the speed at which I read (which I mostly do out loud, to strengthen the mouth-brain connection). Whichever way you go, good luck! I'm a bit of an "evangelist" for Evan ;-)
@@mcchang1032 Hey- that's great- we all have our heroes in the hedonistic world of Latin pedagogy... Mine is Orberg. I find it really weird to chat and connect on youtube- do you use Facebook Learning Latin groups?
@@travelsinchinese640 Thanks, got off the FB train a while back. Be well.