How Chibnall 'Saved' Doctor Who (2020)
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- Опубліковано 6 бер 2020
- In this video, I look at the attempts of improvement Chris Chibnall made in Series 12 of Doctor Who, and how successful they were.
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'Chibnall knew something had to be done' so what did he do? He ruined it forever. He didn't save it, he completely destroyed it. He broke canon and destroyed 56 years worth of history. Then he cremated it and shat on the remains.
Delboy359: Agreed and that’s putting it mildly 🤔
Watch the video. He is critiquing series 12. In no way is he saying that Chibnall saved it
The storyline isn’t finished yet, wait for series 13
Twenty 16: I stopped watching fakeDr Who from early season 11. Like thousands of viewers, I certainly won’t be watching anymore woke garbage in season 13 🤔
@@lukboypoo14 I did watch the video. I'm just commenting on the quote about Chibnall knowing something had to be done and giving my opinion on what Chibnall did. Read me comment.
Its so sad that a doctor that was asleep for most of his first episode, proved he was the doctor by the end of the episode more than 13 has in the entire 2 series that shes had
Damn, that’s so true
Matt did it in one speech: Hello, I'm the doctor. Basically,RUN.
@@TheSpencermacdougall Christopher was like "I'm the doctor btw"
@@TheSpencermacdougall and Capaldi was: "You are monsters! That is the role you seem determined to play! So I. Shall. Play. Mine! The man that stops the monsters!"
@@TheSpencermacdougall I HAVE A SILLY HOBBY:
I like recommending education and science and fun (sometimes all fused in 1) to random people.
But without knowing much about you or your preferences, i can kinda only shoot into the Darkness, ya know.
Unfortunately, Chibnall has displayed both a complete lack of understanding concerning the concept and history of Doctor Who, whilst also proving his utter incompetence as a writer!
He make Canon and fix the Brain of Morbius.
You said it!
@@Chapmike there was a set cannon for the doctor in new who 9 to 11 including war doctor and 11ths regeneration into living longer to protect trenzelor but 12 regenerations is one cycle and when the timelord gave the doctor a new cycle that's another cycle for regenerations which starts with the 12th doctor but now the doctor is the founder of timelord society but before that there was rassalion and omega who made time lord science chibnall destroyed the cannon of doctor who with the pre regenerations before hartnell
@@Chapmike yes and mostly everyone hated that idea back then too. They still do because it doesn't really work.
no u
I was with you up until the ‘we asked for a back story’ - I really think most fans are absolutely dead against that. It’s ‘Doctor WHO’ - not ‘Doctor Derren’.
Still watching the video while reading comments, not yet there at the "we asked for a backstory" but..if he says that in a way i think he will, i want a back story. Like really..but they destroyed it, instead of the master being the child it's the doctor and it doesnt make any god damn sense..
@Problembeing Absolutely spot on. Who exactly asked for an origin story. Not recommended but this wouldn't have hurt as much, why couldn't they introduce future Doctors (Ruth, Brendan etc) far into the Doctor's future. RTD hinted at this in his novelization of Rose. That would have taken some actual creativity.
@Problembeing Instead they decided for the
revisionist agenda and basically destroyed the mystique of the programme, removing the heart, intellect and spirit. What a travesty. The series ended with The Doctor Falls. Twice Upon A Time is a crime against the First Doctor and I refuse to accept that also.
Agreed people weren’t okay with the war doctors when he was revealed and in light of this subject of chibnall and dr nasty they are using the war doctor as an excuse saying awe why weren’t people raging about the war doctor...well the war doctor story is literally between 8 and 9 not alllll the way to the beginning changing absolutely everything about dr who as we know it...as I’ve said before this will never be canon to my eyes until they get back on the right track and bring back a Male doctor a man
J.C. Marshall it’s all ‘Common Purpose’ cultural and intellectual colonialism. They want to corrupt all previously male-oriented heroes and cultural icons and to make women superior in everyway. It’s usually white women speaking for everyone else as usual. White female supremacists, or Fêmme Suprêmme Crême as I like to call them.
They just want to ‘pull down all the patriarchal’ icons and feminise them. Once they’ve erased all of that, they will inflict a new history that wipes out any notion men did anything heroic.
Chibnall is the worst thing to ever happen to Doctor Who.
Community Season 4 even made a parody of what we see now... long before he had his hands on the show.
Chibnall is such a Minerva!
Here here! Chris Chibnall has taken a walk down Delirium Lane.
Now I've got to watch community all over again.... which I'm not complaining about
So far.
The worst thing to happen to Dr Who, so far.
Michael grade gives him some competition
Whoever takes over from Chibs (hopefully very soon) should say that the entire Chibnall era was just a fever dream that Twelve had when he was asleep before he regenerated.
At this point I'm pretty sure it is the only way they could save the show.
As far as I can tell though, the BBC just doesn't care.
Unfortunately, despite what you and many others hope, a new showrunner wont change a thing. The BBC has it's own agenda and good writing comes secondary to that
That is what I hope too
The 1st episode by whoever takes over should begin with the regeneration of Matt Smith then ignore EVERYTHING that came after his original regeneration
@@elPominator The BBC don't care. They have no advertisers to support. The UK are forced, under penalty of law, to pay the BBC every month. It doesn't matter to the BBC if no one ever watches the channels or listens to the radio stations. They still get their millions from the UK
Chibnall's Doctor Who just seems like a fanfiction. And a bad one at that
New Who seems like a bad fan fiction.
Atleast bad fanfiction has passion.
@@fjccommish hey i actually enjoy 9 and 10, 11 was iffy, and i never finished 12, so i definitely never start 13 (thank god)
@@darkflmmstr The 12th Doctor was the best of the New Who Doctors. Unfortunately, the stories were crap, and there was Horse Faced Biww - I don't like blokes HURRAH!
I've seen fanfiction better than modern Doctor Who
As Capaldi's doctor said at the end of series 10 upon refusing to regenerate: "Doctor, I release you".
MetalCactus667 he also said that “One more life wouldn’t hurt anyone” and that hurts me now
@@salem_meow7137 He actually said "One more lifetime wouldn't kill anyone... But except me"
Who would have thought this line would hurt so much in the future
@@lepimond4605 No crap, man. It's painful to think back like that . . .
"Doctor... I let you go"
He also said they’re gonna get it all wrong without him. I feel like that was moffats way of telling us all chibnall will ruin the show
Chris Chibnall managed to do what the Daleks, the Master and the Cybermen all failed to do. Kill Doctor Who.
You are so right!
How can one man fundamentally change the whole character of the Doctor and think it was a good idea.
Chris Chibnall reminds me of JNT, he is just one of his regeneration’s
@@Oodelally I HAVE A SILLY HOBBY:
I like recommending education and science and fun (sometimes all fused in 1) to random people.
But without knowing much about you or your preferences, i can kinda only shoot into the Darkness, ya know.
But well, i would recommend the following three to all humans anyway, so whatever:
-Sci Man Dan.
-Professor Dave Explains.
-Veritasium.
9:48 - "We wanted recognition of the show's past."
But Chibnall retconned it all. He destroyed Gallifrey and decades of canon. Now it is all just an empty shell. And he is not done with it.
I HAVE A SILLY HOBBY:
I like recommending education and science and fun (sometimes all fused in 1)
to random people.
But without knowing much about you or your preferences, i can kinda only shoot into the Darkness, ya know.
But well, i would recommend the following three to all humans anyway, so whatever:
-Sci Man Dan.
-Professor Dave Explains.
-Starship Goldfish.
Chibnall only has a contract for 3 years, with the option of more depending on performance. If the BBC has any sense they'll not pursue that. There's a good chance they will though because the Beeb is run by idiots nowadays.
Watching Series 11 and 12 showed me how good Moffat was as a writer, and while I may have hated some of his stuff too. At least his stories were competent. I went back and watched some of them and they're masterpieces by comparison.
Timelash is a masterpiece compared to this drivel. Moffat started this mess.
Damn everyone felt that
With COVID, its unlikely there will be any substantial flying for S13 into 2021, which means a late 2021 or 2022 debut. With such long gaps will anyone care now ? By 2024, the BBC will need programmes that deliver a big audience to try and avoid the subscription service fate which waits in in 2027 should Boris's govt get elected.
Yes, some of Moffat's work on the show is at masterpiece level. The contrast between Moffat's brilliance, intermittent and often flawed as it was, and the mind producing these two seasons of lumps of poorly shaped, damp modeling clay is -- appalling, really. If they keep Chibnal on past the next season, I too am going to be damned well out of here for good. I enjoyed all of NuWho, but this latest rendition has been being like slowly kicked to death by Sasquatch. And look, people, I'm a dyed-in-the-wool liberal from way back, but I don't like the pots of message either.
At least Moffat's work had doctor in it, this is just a show about a time traveler
Demons run when a good man goes to war, Night will fall and drown the sun
When a good man goes to war… the Doctor will make a glorious return, the sound of the TARDIS will bring hope again, and of the darkness of the Chibnall years remains only a fast fading memory.
Thorsten Wulff agreed the good MAN will come back
Hopefully terrible writers will run soon.
The show will be cancelled once the hbo deal runs out. No saving it. Well done bbc and chibnall.
its worth noting that Antiques Roadshow outperformed the season 12 finale. People saw Doctor Who and Antiques Roadshow on at the same time and more people chose the latter. Really goes to show the state Doctor Who is in.
Edit: Apparently the shows weren't running concurrently. As Cam Bar said down below "Antiques roadshow was on after it. The dip came in between country file and antiques roadshow. People turned off their TVs, or changed channel whilst Doctor Who was on."
Novahawk12 incorrect. Antiques roadshow was on after it. The dip came in between country file and antiques roadshow. People turned off their TVs, or changed channel whilst Doctor Who was on.
@@eccremocarpusscaber5159 My mistake I'll edit the original comment.
Destroying 57 years of a beloved show is not an 'improvement' or being 'succesful'
#GoAwayNow
terminaljunkie #GoAwayNow :)
End of RTD's era: "I don't wanna go!"
End of Moffat's era: "I let you go!"
End of Chibnall's era: "Please go!"
What? How could reshaping the show in his warped self-image NOT be an improvement?
oho, Critical Drinker reference!
It's going to take a really skilled writer/showrunner to retcon all this bollocks
I wish a hero comes
Capaldi's Doctor: "Oh, that was a terrible dream. Perhaps a cup of tea?"
You can't retcon it 🤣 the only thing you can do is have the master lying about it all, but how do you explain away all the visual flashbacks? the matrix could be used I suppose, in that it was a master manipulation but then there's Jodie Whittakers doctor being a woman, so it gives the whole flashback scenes weight and credence. Sorry but the only thing that could "explain" this away is by having Capaldi wake up in the tardis (persuading him to come back for a one off special) and it be a dream, that's the level of cringe we are at in trying to save this franchise.
@@therebel4332 Maybe he hallucinated whilst regenerating!
Ok perfect way to Retcon this. Ever since 12 regenerated, we've been watching Missy 2, who genuinely thought she was The Doctor after her messy Regeneration from Missy 1.. You see when 13 fell she actually started regenerating, but Missy was there too, about to as well. Two regeneration together things go bad. The Doctor left with amnesia, thinking he's human. Events seen in Chibs Era play out a bit different especially the last few episodes. The Master is The Timeless Child, and The Doctor is just her best friend from childhood. The real reason the Judoon locked up 13 is due to them knowing it's really Missy. This would explain why The Master is the way he is. And Missy being 13 would continue her arc. Being The Timeless Child would explain why Missy can still regenerate. New season introduce The real 13th Doctor, close off 13/ Missy's Arc, have her regenerate , and give her a spin off.
Doctor Who ended at the end of series 10. This is just a bad dream!
yes that worked in Dallas.the doctor is dead :-(
Nah the doctor just had a crappy regen and the master was lying.
Now 14 goes off to find gallifrayian refugees
I have to pray
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or like one of the fans made a fan-trailer... instead of a dream, this actually happened... only it happened in an Alternative Timeline! & all of Jody's time as the Doctor all happened to an alternative version of the Doctor! & we find that Capaldi's regeneration ends with our "universe version of the Doctor"! (maybe there was a glitch & Our Doctor, temporarily merged with the Parallel Universe's Doctor. which could explain away the different memories!)
Since the return of the TimeLords, doesn't that mean the Parallel Universe's walls are weakened again! Which in turn, those that are Rose fans...we could even see the Doctor cross, at least temporarily into Rose's Bad Wolf Universe!
Jodie has one expression: "who farted?"
Nobody farted, it's the script. When you gotta go, you gotta go...
HAHA It's true
Haha that is the face she makes!!
"smell the fart acting"
I never noticed this before, but now I fear I will never unsee it. Fantastic.
Can anyone explain to me how the master, on his own, was able to eliminate all the time lords. Say I try to kill an entire city with a pistol and get kill shots every time. That will only work for so long.
The Time Lords were Chibnallized
The only way would be Master was the timeless child and he kept killing, and kept regenerating as no one can kill him.
Chibnall just kinda forgot that Timelords were a race who survived the worst war in existence and all have extra lives and the Master is one guy.
@@ABonafideSkeleton That's right, Our Chibs is a genius, a true genius!
Time Lords are politicians, not warriors like the Master. It makes more sense that one of yours killed them than some tin boxes.
If Jodie (and Chibs) stays beyond S13 it would be a disaster.
I miss The Doctor.
Im gonna rip my balls off if that happens.
I feel you..i'm still watching Peter Capaldi breaking the Diamond Wall..what did the shepards boy says.
Doctor Who ended after Peter Capaldi. No need for any deep thought or debate. It's a parody freak show now.
@@GLCCreepyPasta peter Capaldi to be fair was a great doctor and writing by Steven Moffat I did had the Tv license then but unfortunately halfway though something happened and I think Steven Moffat no fault from him.
had to do some really question lefttards political messages I shall give you one a black gay woman why that became it the BBC. and that ending when Peter capaldi change into Jodie 13 doctor did Steven Moffat give her the middle finger and chibs by having her got chuck her out of the Tardis because the doctor did make reference that it a she. In the classic dr who
And the way Peter doctor talking to it before he change tells me it was the middle finger and I believe Steven Moffat did mention where was the doctor who was heading. I really did like that episode too.
They'll stay. To do otherwise requires the BBC to admit they're wrong.
Title: How Chibnall saved Doctor Who
Content: How he actually destroyed it even more
Chibnall has always been so annoying as to what he thinks Doctor Who should be if that interview of him from the 80’s is anything to go by
What did that stupid fool say?
@@TheFirstEvil100 That the stories were predictable and boring; that it didn't "challenge" the audience since it always delivered "silly monsters" in a way that kept them entertained but not questioning themselves. It's basically 16-year old Chibbs being utterly pretentious and condescending against the entire fandom by saying he can write infinitely better stories like S11 and S12.
@Cyrus Wolfe Too entitled to even notice that he's become the very thing he was lambasting as "boring" and "uninspired" as a teen. Ironic, noh?
@@antisga "Silly monsters"...like the guy with teeth in his face or the talking frog? Chibnall is an arrogant, talentless hack who couldn't write decent Doctor Who if his life depended on it!
I just love that he said stuff about "expected Doctor Who. Running up and down corridors with a "scary" monster and a whodunnit mystery in space" and then goes on to write *42*
This is the Chibayashi Maru. A scenario in which all possible outcomes are equally disastrous. Only Captain Kirk can save this show now.
Kobayashi Maru
KiloOneThree /r whoooosh
@@KiloOneThree Read what you're replying to again... slowly.
Yes Captain Kirk needs to reprogram the computer so theres a way for Doctor Who to escape.
Chibs' game plan was to just blow up the franchise and save himself. In the ST lore there is a captain that did that.
They should have never killed off the timelords again, they are to much of a potential rival/villain
It took away the victory of saving them during the timelord by every doctor.
Trying to kill them the first time threatened the universe, this time it happened offscreen with no explanation and noone noticed
It's just lazy writing. And such a stupid concept. The master isn't capable of wiping them out even on a good day.
And don't you forget how silly it is.
The whole race of the most powerful killing machines in the history of the universe has been trying to do that for hundreds of years and did NOT succeed.
Yet one guy did like it was nothing.
@@diamondaxe4133 Even how damaged they were, The Master couldn't have evaded the Matrix. That BS excuse about hiding in the Matrix blindspots...is still BS! The Time Lord council, has labeled The Master as both a renegade & a criminal! It doesn't matter what The Master could have done in Gallifrey, he would have still been detected!
Fair play to JW, she (like several other notables) has managed to carve a successful career by playing the same person in every role. Series 11 & 12 were like episodes of Scooby Do, when the team splits up, they all jog off into obvious danger and the audience is screaming "Why would you do that?"
13 is the 3rd female doctor.
Red Nose Day special.
The doctor-donna.
13.
Where does Jenny fall into this?
@@EatinPaste daughter of the doctor; not the doctor.
Joanna Lumley > Jodie Whittaker
4th.
Unbound has a female doctor
We already had a female Doctor.
Sarah Jane Smith.
She had a tin dog.
She had a sonic lipstick.
She travelled in space without the Doctor.
She travelled in time without the Doctor. Elisabeth Sladen was a much better actress than what's her name will ever be.
Nuff said.
The BBC ought to watch it. I suspect people will stop paying for their TV licences over this.
I already recently did, although this series of Who was actually just the last straw.
Did that years ago fuck the bbc and their bull shit
I’d love to do that in retaliation
6:30 "You're the greatest human being ever... sorry, have I offended you?"
That means they don't know each other that well, even after two seasons of travelling together. Shame.
Right up to and including the last episode, it always felt as "the fam" had only just met, and knew nothing about each other. Whittaker is unrecognisable as having anything to do with the character of the Doctor, and it has been painful watching her attempt to navigate this show with her two-dimensional performance. The introduction of elements from past Who eras have only served to remind me how much better this show used to be. And the devastation inflicted on the past fifty-odd years of other people's work - all of which had no impact on the show going forward - seem to have been rammed in to the mythology so that Chibnall could scrawl his signature all over the franchise. I have decided that, at last, I am not returning to this show again. It is far too sad to see what it has become.
The 11 doctors from 63 onwards are now just a mere "generation" of Doctors. He's totally killed the show there's no coming back from his writing.
I’m designing my own season 14 where the reason that everything is so ‘emotionless’ because in the first episode the doctor fell into the toymakers reality and that everything is false.
Astonished by the amount of people here who don't get sarcasm or the use of inverted commas.
At this point, my personal head-canon is that everything Chibnall post series 10 is doctor who fanfic, considering Chibnall was originally a fan of Doctor Who (lol he pulls this crap and considers himself a fan). I just feel bad for everyone involved in series 11 and 12 for being part of this, excluding the writers' room.
I'm hesitant to call Whitaker a bad Doctor since it's hard for me to tell where her acting is what fails and where it's the material she's given.
Chibnall is a complete hack, though. I honestly couldn't even sit through Series 11 just from the ham-fisted politics alone. I'm not saying writing for a series like DW is easy, far from it, but is it too much to ask that the LEAD writer at least have an ounce of respect for it?
There was a series Whitaker acted in; she is a very good actress. So, Chipnall.
Jodie Whittaker is a competent actor. Chibnall is a destroyer.
R.I.P. Doctor Who, fans are still waiting for the real season 11 to begin.
Timeless Child and the non-finale finale are indeed frustrating. But for me, Chibnall's biggest *crime* is killing UNIT, and killing Stephen Fry's character after just TEN FRICKING MINUTES. I waited _ages_ for him to be in the show, whether his script or his appearance. And by the time he's finally on it, he lasted even shorter than Ryan's dyspraxia.
The greatest crime for me...is the pointless destruction of Gallifrey & all the TimeLords there!
Timeless child is a crime against the original lore itself.
Flower Productions: How Chibnall saved Dr Who
Rest of the world: What the actual F*CK?
2 years ago vs 1 years ago
Hell, Chibs even retconned himself out of the “first female doctor” award! Now his muse is less special than a lenticular 90’s comic book.
for me doctor who ended up in "Doctor, i let you go"
'Fraid so. I was ready for a female Doctor, hoping for some fun out of it and maybe even some depth. But -- THIS?!!
Basically Chinballs "saved" the series using Memberberries to respond towards the backlash on S11.
Chinballs...someone to hate for all the right reasons.
There are no positives. Period.
Neil Gaiman should have been the new showrunner
What? Just because he can write?
I must commend your calmness and decorum in discussing how terribly Chibnall did by Doctor Who.
It’s a train wreck. Led by two people who have no place being in those roles.
Absolutely right. Chibnall was cloaking his poor character and story writing with surprise reveals. Literally all the so-called "good" episodes, Spyfall (Master, Gallifrey), Fugitive of Judoon (Judoon, Jack, Ruth), Frankenstein (cyberman), finale (timeless child alongside master, gallifrey, cybermen).
That's half the episodes 🤣
These "Surprise Reveals" are just like going to get in your car and finding grafitti all over your garage door!
“Saved” is an understatement
Did you mean overstatement?
Big Finish has multiple series on Gallifrey;
Most of which star Rommana, and Leela. :)
Just put the series on hiatus for 5 years, let the dust settle on "the Chibs era" but a dedicated series of Eighth Doctor(played by Paul McGann only) stories a la Big Finish screenplayed for a series of specials, there is a wealth of material there to canonise, or get some of the SCP writers to create some monsters, show runnered by say Mark Gattis could be a new "Gothic/Pseudo horror era" a suitable diversion from this bloody mess
You’re right about the 2d characters. They aren’t even characters as they have no traits. The reason they don’t speak to one another is they have nothing in common and no backstory or depth. It’s why dialogue doesn’t work as no one buys it.
I wish that we would stop with the predictable Cybermen, Dalek “shock” returns with some upgraded exterior. It’s old. It’s tired.
Well said Alex 👏👏👏👏 I think this guy has kicked Dr fans in the teeth. I really wanted to like the female doctor. But I'm struggling with this new effort.... Chibnall saved doctor who 🙄😳really.. Nah listen he's fucked this show.. Moffat wanted to hand it to gattis and was stopped.. This is not doctor who
Sadly i wish they would just stop any future series as they are destroying the Dr Who franchise 🤔
They have been tired and repetative for years.
She’s not 13 anymore, she is any number of the regenerations.
The writers of the finale forgot that the origin on the time lords was explained decades ago in The Three Doctors. Unless that’s why people are using the term “retcon”.
I have so much more to say but I am still emotionally recovering from the finale. My family usually grit their teeth and bear it whilst I watch Doctor Who but even I was cringing/dying inside as they huffed, sighed, groaned in exasperation at the stupidity of it.
You could make a whole list of things they retconned with that one episode, my friend.
Even with The Three Doctors there's been several different "origins" for Timelords and ALL OF THEM are better than what they did. The Doctor is implied to have had many lives prior to 1st BUT the 1st is his "reset/Reincarnation" and the first to call himself the Doctor.
I don't mind them "retconing" some history like the stupid "only 12 incarnations" Because oh look we're on the 14th one now if you count War Doctor.
They didn't just retcon decades old history/knowledge, they've retconned their own goddamn continuity, for no reason, with no explanation oh how or why.
@@disillusiongenerations2081 I HAVE A SILLY HOBBY:
I like recommending education and science and fun (sometimes all fused in 1) to random people.
But without knowing much about you or your preferences, i can kinda only shoot into the Darkness, ya know.
But well, i would recommend the following three to all humans anyway, so whatever:
-Sci Man Dan.
-Professor Dave Explains.
-Veritasium.
She would of been 14 in technicality ( war doctor ) yeah this new lore really ruins the new cycle Clara plead for at the end of the Matt Smith run
not just the 3 Doctors, but there was a stint in The Five Doctors, where we were introduced to the Dark Zone... the old Time-Arena where the Time Lords used to pull people out of time, & had them fight each other for their amusement! the Black Scrolls had to do with, the information that Rasilon Time-Locked! Those that tried to gain, permanent immortality, ended up locked in stone forever!
As a Spokesperson for the BBC: We thank you for your stunning and brave positive review of our series and inspiring us to keep going on the new path of 5 more seasons!
I HAVE A SILLY HOBBY:
I like recommending education and science and fun (sometimes all fused in 1)
to random people.
But without knowing much about you or your preferences, i can kinda only shoot into the Darkness, ya know.
But well, i would recommend the following three to all humans anyway, so whatever:
-Sci Man Dan.
-Professor Dave Explains.
-Starship Goldfish.
I would love to give him a one-way ticket for a vacation in China. The show ultimately is destroyed. Honestly, the only thing Chibby has done with Jo Jo is to go down in television history as the two main individuals that destroyed this long-running beloved show.
@Blackops Catspy even the coronavirus?
Yes!!!! It’s a complete shit show!!! So depressing
You are just jealous. You've been trying to destroy the Doctor since the 1970s, and Chibnall did the job that you couldn't do.
@@lesigh1749 lmao
After hearing about this year's big reveal, I won't be coming back, but Moffet started all this rewrite-the-Doctor's-history [expletive deleted]. Chinbal(BBC) can be blamed for not doing better, but they lost me after The Impossible Girl nonsense.
Chibnall didn't "save" Doctor Who (did it need "saving"?), he made it so that there's literally no reason to watch the series any longer.
No. Just no.
Chibs didn't save anything. He destroyed not only this version of Dr. Who, but every previous version besides in *ONE EPISODE.*
He saved nothing.
This dude literally OBLITERATED Dr. Who.
Did you even watch the video??
My god this is driving me up a wall Everyone is shitting on this vid when he spends 11 minutes roasting Chibnall and series 12.
@@TheAngryAsianAnimations He shouldn't called the video what he did then if what he says completely contradicts it.
that’s,,, why it’s in air quotes.
@2:00 Captain Jack was purely to have the audience drunk with nostalgia feels... as you mentioned... his scene was utterly pointless and if that was all it equated to, the information could have been delivered in some other manner.
He was there, so that when the Ruth Doctor was revealed in the very next scene, everyone was already feeling in a good mood, because they had just seen Jack... thus they would be more accepting of Ruth... and it worked. Jack distracted most from the huge plot hole forming...
Ruth herself has had nothing but bad scripting... she would have been a great choice of actor for the Doctor instead of Whittaker... even with the terrible scripting this trash has, she has far more screen presence than Whittaker ever could.
@4:20 Absolutely correct. She probably actually could have made an extremely good Doctor too... however she had only watched 2 David Tennant episodes prior to being cast in the role as part of the clause for Chibnall to accept the role of show runner and upon finding out, she only watched a few more episodes and decided "Nope, I hate this! I'm going to ignore EVERY DOCTOR that came before me because they were men and I'm going to do this totally different!"
The danger of taking on this one role of all others in history is that... each incarnation is their own individual personality... but that personality is merely a TINY FRACTION of the TRUE personality, the much BIGGER personality that sits behind those eyes and runs the show...
A completely individual personality of its own, when tracked across the entire shows story... when you watch from the first episode of Hartnell through to the last episode of Capaldi...
There is a very distinct, 'bigger' personality there... one whose journey can easily be tracked from the immature, stubborn arrogance of youth to the long lived, wizened old man on deaths door step, looking back at all his adventures and all his regrets...
She didn't want to involve any of that. The fact she only really watched 2 episodes of David Tennant is abundantly clear in the fact that EVERY mannerism she has given the character are literally just Tennant's... facial expressions... catch phrases... she only KNOWS his work...
Late to this, but let's make some corrections. Chibnall said she could do whatever she wanted as research to learn about the show, there was no clause. Whittaker started to watch episodes, didn't state which. She then decided that she didn't want to end up copying the mannerisms of past Doctors, so instead decided to read about the show. Meaning she has the knowledge of events in the Doctor's timeline without copying mannerisms. It may just be that Tennant and Whittaker are similar people, or that Chibnall has written them similarly, they were all involved in Broadchurch of course.
I'm not sure how watching just 2 episodes of Tennant would've had that much of an impression on her, as we know that people like Tennant and Capaldi both watched previous eras and gives them an 'individual personality'. Surely it's more likely that they would've picked up on those mannerisms themselves?
I don't think Jack was there to make people "feel good" before Ruth, more to put people at ease without realising something much bigger is coming. When the Ruth Doctor was revealed for me, I felt more like "oh no Chibnall's going down this path" but later was convinced about the arc by some more background into what the Timeless Child arc says about the British Empire. It's most certainly a story that's nowhere near complete and it can definitely still evolve - like how the Time War arc ended up going on for 7 series until it was revealed that the Doctor didn't actually destroy Gallifrey at all, it had just moved.
CJ ended up being in Revolution and it feels like he would've been back in Series 13 from the end of ROTD, but now that's very complicated, if his return had a bigger intention maybe it'll never be discovered. That being said, it doesn't feel to me like he should need an arc - he should be allowed to return just for fun.
I'm hoping S13 ties up some loose ends for all the characters, and that we get more clarity of TTC, but I don't expect it to end in S13 either, it feels like it's part of something that could go on for years.
@@lavishisles5497 I HAVE A SILLY HOBBY:
I like recommending education and science and fun (sometimes all fused in 1)
to random people.
But without knowing much about you or your preferences, i can kinda only shoot into the Darkness, ya know.
But well, i would recommend the following three to all humans anyway, so whatever:
-Sci Man Dan.
-Professor Dave Explains.
-Starship Goldfish.
I mean, I got no problem with Moffat using Ruth as a Female Doctor... just recon the whole Chibnall BS era... & have her play as one of the Doctor's future reincarnations!
Who knows with all the backlash, the backers might get scared and find a way to pull out then we might get creative sci fi writing again.
Backers? The BBC gets money from the people forced to pay TV licenses. At least for now, last I heard PM Borris was trying to get that thing taken out.
@@piratekingthaszar7912 I know the BBC if funded by tax payers but according to a few youtubers they are also getting money from streaming sites etc. If that's true and they pull out then the BBC might rethink it's stance on the matter. Hopeful thinking but things might get even worst before they get better.
I was JUST watching your 'How Chibnall Killed Doctor Who' video today. Spo0ky.
So they reject talented writers like Joe Hill ("NOS4A2" and "Locke & Key") in a thoroughly unprofessional manner then turn around and hire the knuckleheads responsible for seasons 11 and 12? Maybe the producers need to reassess their hiring process.
This season needs to burn. Chubby is a complete hack nothing more. Both Jodi and chibbs can piss off for good. So both of her season are not canon just fan fiction at best. As a hard core fan it's dead.
Chibs failed to destroy the canon.
He writes so badly and so incoherently that it can all be forgotten as visions created by the Master.
Series 12 was basically Chibnall taking stories from past series and rewriting them a bit. Basically the equivalent of copying your classmate's homework.
Every chibnal episode ever: “your the doctor, and we’re your mates”
“ I’m the doctors, and I’m gonna save the day, with me and my mates”
The only hope is for the BBC to sell the rights to someone who actually understands sci-fi and then have a doctor wake up from some evil mind-trap dream created by the master and we can simply exclude season 11/12 from the entire cannon. I did like RUTH, make her the actual 13th doctor and she can wake up. Make Yaz and the other companions part of the evil master's plot and send the lot into a space vortex at the end of the real season 11. Graham can be a neutral character who assists the real doctor in defeating the evil masters plot and at the end we discover Graham is the real master and the master who sent the doctor into this evil dream is actual a alternative-universe master.
Peter F-Model honestly I wish that had had happened instead. Much better than the shit show that the finale was.
Totally agree with you. Please someone out their do a good quality fan film with a good story.
Say, do you want a job?
Fan: (BBC burns your house down)... WTF have you done to my house?? You set fire to my house containing all my deeply personal treasure!!
BBC: What fire? There’s no fire. You’re crazy.
Fan: But... you burnt my house Down and destroyed all my stuff.
BBC: Naaaaaaah, the house is fine. It’s a VERY pretty house.
Fan: My house is literally a pile of smoking rubble... my dreams have been crushed.
BBC: Exactly, we appreciate it ‘appears’ “smokey” to you, but there’s NO “fire”. And, sure, we appreciate you have an emotional connection to all your treasured memories... BUT LOOK, it’s pretty. Live in it. Everyone else says this house you paid for is the bestest house on the street. It’s never looked better.
fan: I’m going to stop paying my never-ending mortgage on this house you set fire to.
BBC: Noooo. You can’t do that or we’ll put you in prison.
Fan: I’m devastated!!!
BBC: here’s a hotline for mental health problems, which we REALLY care about... unless you have socially awkward cancer....
Fan: BUT YOU SET FIRE TO MY HOUSE!
BBC: What fire?
Colour TV DO - YOU - SPEAK - ENGLISH?
Colour TV I didn’t write it for you. I wrote it for people with a sense of humour.
@Colour TV What, no comma and several dots? I'm confused. I thought you were an expert in English.
@Colour TV Disappointed, @Colour TV. You lied to me.
@Colour TV Awww, thank you :D That's really sweet of you. I shall treasure this moment for minutes.
"So what's a Chibbers to do? What does a Chibbers always do? It saved them to the hard drive"
I wish Chibs was saved to a hard-drive .... in Sheffield, San Diego, Sacramento - Somewhere beginning with "S"
I liked that this review was fair and honest about the current state of Dr Who, giving credit where credit is due, while also pointing out the specific flaws with Chibnall's writing. I personally was not able to bother with more than one episode, but I've been keeping up with the trainwreck of the latest season via reviews. It's unbelievable how much Chibnall's era has divided the fans and the fact he's signed on for another series just makes me want to facepalm... 😣
I agree completely. I made it through Series 11 but stopped watching after "Spyfall" proved that nothing had improved. I just keep up with the reviews now. Unless the next show-runner retcons the entire Chibnall era, I don't see how Doctor Who will recover.
Kind of funny how all the people ihave seen going, we are going to make x ip more diverse, open and welcoming. Always seem to end up with the fan base divided and at each other throats, with people giving up or leaving the ip in mass.
Divided fans? I thought it was more united than ever. United in an utter hatred of Chibnall and everything he writes
@@dannymccrea9642 Well over the years of seeing many ips i used to love, die awfully. There will always be someone somewhere out that that defends the writing. No matter how bad it gets. That or play the blame game [normally if not always blaming the fans or the fans and something else], rather than going yeah maybe the owners of this ip might of messed up.
same. I quit after the very first episode and followed reviews from then on. And they were fantastic to follow from each youtuber who made one.
I don't have any hopes that bbc will care one day and fix things so I'll rewatch New Who up to Matt Smith and then I'm out.
Doctor Ruth was on the screen for less than 20 mins and was more the Doctor than JW managed.
You're right, her performance was pretty mediocre, but still blew JW away.
I HAVE A SILLY HOBBY:
I like recommending education and science and fun (sometimes all fused in 1) to random people.
But without knowing much about you or your preferences, i can kinda only shoot into the Darkness, ya know.
But well, i would recommend the following three to all humans anyway, so whatever:
-Sci Man Dan.
-Professor Dave Explains.
-Veritasium.
The person that is saving doctor who Will be RTD, Can't wait for a teaser trailer tomorrow On Christmas day 😩
13 takes a lot of from other doctors but doesn't forge her own identity.
1: old adventure who turns into a champion for good.
2: the buffoon who outwits you while playing a recorder.
3: the dashing spy who loves gadgets
4: the hippie hobo who was one step ahead of everyone.
5: the pacifist who tries not to solve things with violence.
6: the egotistical genius who had a heart of gold.
7: the quirky man who turned into a master tactician.
8: the hero of time who fought to stay out of a war.
war doctor: the man who forgo the name of the doctor to fight and burn for everyone.
9: the damaged war vet who found something to live for again.
10: the handsome hero with a powerful dark side.
11: the myth maker who is awkward but cool.
12: the old man trying to find his way in the universe.
i can't really say any really defining trait that makes 13 stand out as her own thing. she goes through the motions of the doctor without being the doctor.
but the one thing i say 13 and chibnall failed to do for me? make the doctor scary. almost all the other doctors have that moment where they say or do something to make you say to yourself "geez. i don't ever wanna be on that guy's bad side".
with the modern era:
9: everybody dies.
10: the family of blood.
11: a good man goes to war.
12: face the raven.
i was never once intimidated or frightened of the 13th doctor. and for me, that's a failure on all fronts.
He saved it from being good in any way, and he saved the writers from having successful careers.
Just say it. The new Master is merely a palate swapped John Simm. No genuine elegant evil genius but a generic cackling psychopath.
I liked John Simm as the Master, genuinely scarily crazed, I think his was the best Master portrayal I have seen, didn't much like "Missy" and whoever that nobody was in the latest sorry episodes, just pointless. The older Masters were good, but John Simm took things to another level. Do you hear drums?
Sacha Dhawan wasn't the problem here it was the way this pillock writer was using him. Dhawan played it well enough, a cackling psycho is good if the writing is solid. It gets more and more ridiculous trying to find positives about this show, its just so poorly written that it makes their agendas totally pointless.
Eric, agreed -- lots of people liked Dawan's antics; I found him tiresome and his version of the Master basically incomprehensible as a character.
Russell T would have given Jodie decent dialogue. She hasn't had a decent few lines ever. Chibnall, meanwhile, has destroyed Gallifrey off-camera, and come up with easily the most disastrous plot development in the show's entire history. So there have been thousands of doctors, meaning the last 13 or so have probably not been that special. You would have to be truly brainless not to realise how much introducing that would destroy your product.
They should get Eric Saward, RTD, Mark Gatiss, Moffat, and any surviving Classic writer to form a team to create a Doctor Who episode. They should get Malorie Blackman, Neil Gaiman ( for a few episodes), Stephen King, JK Rowling. They should get Pip Baker to come back to get the Rani again. Also, Chibnall is no longer a writer, he can't even write a proper episode and gets writers who can't write sci-fi
Malorie Blackman maybe but Gaiman wrote the terrible nightmare in Silver and the underrated doctor's wife, The Witchfinders felt as though Gaiman wrote it. Stephen King would make the show like RTD's cliffhangers and Colin Baker's dark episodes combined.
Sorry, after 50 years I cannot watch anymore.
well its no longer the same show we loved is it.
Yeah season 12 was the first I haven’t watched in years
@@salem_meow7137 your not missing much, its beyond offensive what the BBC has allowed Chinballs to do in series 12.
For me personally, I divorced with Doctor Who during Series 11 after calmly understanding that the show was going on a path that I wasn't keen on following. However, I just watched Series 12 out of curiosity and tried to see the good in what Chibnall was doing. Unfortunately, I have my own problems with Whittaker's Doctor. The scene where The Doctor dismisses Graham's cancer as superficial and plays the victim in order for us to understand why she did that really convinced me that Jodie's Doctor wasn't as good after all. The Doctor is supposed to be kind, considerate, and compassionate. And it was appalling to see her do that to poor Graham in this situation.
People often see themselves as the victim sometimes, but Jodie's Doctor sees herself as the victim all the time. She will often find something or somebody to blame for their shortcomings. In this case; Jodie's Doctor blames her inability to feel sympathy for Graham on her social awkwardness. And because of that, she is never gonna change for the better throughout her tenure.
And I am rather shocked that Chris broke the number one rule of Doctor Who by giving it a proper origin story. I personally feel that having The Doctor be some space god kinda ruined the humbleness of the character for me
So…Chibnall specifically and intentionally cast someone who’d never seen Doctor Who and didn’t know anything about the character, then specifically asked her not to watch past episodes or research the character (thus giving her no opportunity for informed input in scripts or direction - which all other Doctors had been granted during production), openly admitted he thought most of the previous episodes were poorly written and executed, full of cliches, with problematic Doctor characterisations and portrayals - and then didn’t read any reviews, thus giving off a complete disdain-for-the-fans vibe, in fact explicitly took an attitude towards the show to the effect that other people’s opinions don’t matter, while ‘blaming’ his decisions on the fans’ demands?! It makes me wonder on what basis he was ever a fan of the show in the first place, whether he REALLY was a fan of the show or rather a fan of his own idea of what the show should be, what he really hoped to achieve in getting his claws into it, and what his yardstick for success was…
What really upset me was the master/missy, I feel like Moffat made such a good character arc and I was so excited to see where it would go and chibnall just fired a nuke at the character and threw away all of that hard work, it's such a huge shame, maybe things will get better with season 13, I've always trusted the showrunners to do the right thing and despite some of them making the odd iffy decision I was always satisfied with the overall story, every doctor had their defining 'Doctor moment' (you all know what I mean) that point in the series where everyone watching is thinking "That's the doctor" and you get this rush of warmth and love coarse through your body, well as much as it hurts to say It, 13 hasn't had her 'Doctor moment' it's something that every single Doctor has had at least once (usually a few times) but 13 hasn't had it once, she's come close but that exp-bar needs to fill before she can release the special move, what I don't understand is how chibnall is finding it so hard, he's capable of writing good television, I enjoyed torchwood and that was mostly down to him, it's like he's trying to do too much all at once and it ends up doing nothing, the companions just fell flat, you can say it's because there are too many but there have been that many and more before and it went fine, it feels like the lines were written for one companion then shared out between the three of them, like give then each other's lines and you wouldn't even notice a difference,
The villains feel like caricatures, that trump guy is just a walking stereotype and really ruins my immersion, at this point I don't know why the BBC just don't think "right, if things keep going like this then we won't have a beloved show that people watch, but where oh where will we find a team of writers that know doctor who well enough to save It?????" ........... "BIG FINISH!!!"
Big fucking finish! Why have they not just given the show to them?
There is no need for one person to be in charge of doctor who anymore when there's an entire team of writers just sat there working for the BBC writing episode after episode of quality top tier 'who'
It's just so obvious at this point and I don't understand how or why a company that cares so much about money and viewing figures can't see the best way to achieve that, I know they don't care about anything but money and stats but this is literally the way to get It, am I missing something really obvious here or something?
I just feel like the shows being run into the ground and can't understand why the BBC are letting it happen, its literally the best thing to ever come from that network, are they just gonna sell it to Netflix or something, I'm sorry for ranting, it's just this show is nearly 60 years old, it was my childhood and the childhoods of so many generations, the Doctor is one of/If not the most beloved character/s/ to have ever graced our screens and I feel like we're at a point where the show could either die or fly straight into another golden age, anything could happen and I feel like the end of the chibnall era is soon to lead to one of those two things, I'm confused by what chibnall wants, part of me thinks he's trying and failing, part of me thinks he's setting up something big by making us all think it's going wrong just for it to 180 into the right direction (That's just the hopeful side of me) and another part of me thinks he's trying to destroy it just because he Can.
I don't know what's true, I'm not part of the BBC and I'm certainly not Chris chibnall but one thing is for sure, this show is on the verge of collapse and hands really need to change soon before its too late, another 3 seasons with things going how they are, there won't be a show to give to a new showrunner,
So God, Buddha, Father Christmas, In fact No,
Fucking Doctor, if there's one thing in all of time, space and existence that needs you right now, it's your show, Doctor please for the sake of all of us, save yourself, we need you.
Season 14 with Jodie?! But It's always been 3 seasons with one doctor, since series 2!
The rejection of Joe Hill wasn't hilarious, it was a disgraceful insult. No writer deserves to be rejected in such an insensitive manner with the glorious exception of Chibnall and the dangleberries he brought in to destroy what had been a remarkable franchise.
To be fair, Joe Hill himself was laughing about it. And personally, I don't think he would be a good fit for Doctor Who. The show is supposed to be science fiction, not fantasy/horror in which supernatural things happen just because.
@@caulkins69 The fact that Mr Hill is willing to maintain his sense of humour says much of his strength of character, but the reason I found the reply objectionable is that the BBC receives funding from the public, which I believe makes it akin to a branch of the Civil Service. To use such a derogatory remark as: 'the likes of you', would, under normal circumstances, land any Civil Servant who said it in deep trouble.
If however, you wish to excuse the rejection due to Mr Hill's lack of previous experience in the writing of sci-fi, would you care to justify the percentage of current writers who have zero experience with this genre?
@@frankberry9642 I stopped watching nuWho years ago ("Kill the Moon" was the last insult I could take) so no, I wouldn't defend the current crop of idiots.
@@caulkins69 Fair Play. I stuck it out until Episode 1 of the new regime, but long before it finished I knew that the show I had enjoyed since childhood was doomed. It did do one positive thing for me however, it provided the much-needed impetus to cancel my TV Licence.
6:50 Tosin Cole is dead inside. 🤣
He knows what’s up lmao.
Chris chibnall is the guy who walks into a room and says he is moist without anyone asking.
Moist von Lipwig, is it?
This was the video recommended to me right after this one, "Top 10 Doctor Who monsters" and Chris Chibnall was the thumbnail
Why isn't Chibnall in jail? He murdered Dr Who in cold blood.
Hope I live long enough to see the retconning of the retcon
It can be easily done.... Dallas did it all in a simple shower scene
@@drrob1963 Peter Capaldi is in the shower lol
@@MysteriousStranger42 Come on, Peter - Wake up, WAKE UP!
@@drrob1963 Worst dream ever!
@@drrob1963At least we have Big Finish. Just got into those. I love them
Just because we are curious doesn’t mean we actually wanted an answer, curiosity was a part of the fun.
"And ... oh, I was certain I'd left a review on Rotten Tomatoes"
The delivery of that line was brilliant 😂😂
You watch and see. Yaz and the Doctor will have a thing...
So Barrowman's acting shines in comparison to Whitaker's?
No Shit, Sherlock!
He probably watched this excited and got let down as soon as the video plays
when I clicked on this video, I immediately looked to see if it was posted on April first.
Is it me or would Jo Martin be the best Doctor, imagine the 13th Doctor with Cassandra O'Brien. Cutting to the Chase. JO MARTIN IF YOU'RE READING THIS REPLACE THE UNLIKEABLE DOCTOR.
Please tell me you’re working on “Chibs 2: The Revenge” 🙌
The Chibbening
Dario 108 Chibs 2: Electric Boogaloo
2 Chibs 2 Quit
@@metalmugen I love you, metal!
Yet Steven King’s son offered to do screen writing for Doctor Who and the BBC said, “FUCK OFF AMERICAN! No American is going to touch Doctor Who!”
Very grateful we have wonderful cherished Doctor Who before Mr. Chibnall.
The biggest single improvement between Series 11 and 12 is that Series 12 actually managed to convince me to stop watching.
I stopped watching a while back - Jody isn't giving the doc any gravitas, she just runs around gasping and gurning - comes over as just daft. Need better direction. Rant over. Sorry Jody fans.
BNCA70 I think that’s more the writing, when there’s a moment where she CAN be good, she does.
That slippery slope started when 'modern Who' started, namely with Matt Smith. Almost all modern Doctors have tried too hard to be 'a character' by over-acting, gurning, or delivering their lines in a 'hammy' fashion. I've been watching classic Doctor Who and it just highlights what a travesty modern Who is. The likes of the BBC, Disney and the like won't be happy until they've destroyed every beloved show, film, book, franchise etc they can get their hands on.
Oh be honest, if you put Whitaker and Missy in the same Tardis you wouldn't even know Whitaker was there. Screen presence. Nuff said!
I really want Big Finish to take over the show. Their creative team is incredible.
I watched Timeless after your recommendation on your other video. Thank you.
It had an excellent story, great character development, twists and turns and was gripping right through to the last episode, everything Dr Who isn't unfortunately.
I've enjoyed Dr Who since the John Pertwee days, but stopped watching Jodie Whittaker several episodes ago.........it just no longer holds my interest.
Its a perfect storm of poor writing, poor acting and woke storylines pushing the BBC agenda of diversity and inclusion box ticking. Sigh.
Timeless was a great show. Short-lived, but, as with Firefly, sometimes short-lived works out. Both shows were finished before the chance of them becoming bad.
Zippy - it’s worth noting, it’s an agenda pushed on the BBC through government pressure and government appointed personal over the past 10 years.
@@jvblhc Loved Season 1 of Timeless, but they lost me in Season 2.
@@xaviervega468 Interesting!
We asked questions, but we never demanded answers! I honestly think trying to answer every mystery within our favorite fantasy/sci-fi stories is ridiculous. These worlds are vast and immense with endless possibilities, why must answers be a priority. This new Doctor Who episode spat on the face of its true creators. These creators never attempted to answer these big questions, so why the heck did these new show runners feel to go against that?
Relax, guys. The show recovered from Michael Grade and Colin Baker's jacket, I'm sure it'll recover from this.
About the "Master", didn't you think he could effectively have been on the verge to become good like Missy,
but the revelation of the Timeless Child lie could be what made him fall down to evil again ?