The Farbauti does a 7-hit combo…I just can’t count apparently. One strength of Ben that I didn’t mention is that if you parry the strong “turn your screen black and white” attacks then you can just go into his Special counter move instead of swapping or dodging. Incredibly satisfying and that move has so much interrupt that it can stop the boss’ assault.
That is a really cool detail, I'll start trying out Ben after I get a few mindscapes from Zhu Yuan banner. Also thanks for the really in-depth video! I had no idea some characters had stronger parries than others.
@@Franklin_Johanessan Nope, Dead End Butcher is the huge guy at 0:37 and he does slow and heavy blows, I think his best combo only has three hits Edit: If transformed he has a pretty long combo too, you got a point here. But the 7-hit combo actually was about the guy at 0:00
If you use a combat style that relies on switching between multiple characters to increase damage (for example characters with very long animations on their 4th basic attack or EX special attacks, which Piper happens to have both of), you will also sometimes parry with a character you weren't expecting because the other one was still on the field from their last move.
If the bosses put you in the corner before a long chain any character can do the ben bigger thing and parry them all. So yeah I agree with you on what matters being how far the agent gets pushed back.
When i first saw this video in my recommendation feed, i told myself "huh, its just parry. how hard can it be?" and was about to skip the video. Turns out i was mistaken and glad i watched it
Something to point out. Since Red Flashes are evasive and don't parry the attacks, your Agent thats swapping OUT could still take damage as they are considered still on the field mid animation. Mainly for multi-hit or ranged attacks and non-evasive assist agents.
The 4:00 section about evasive changing the color of the indicator was very helpful, thank you! I wish they'd change that honestly, it's confusing. Just let it stay always red.
4:10 OOOH so that's why i thought my brain short circuited and was feeling bad for getting older lol thank you for this, not often you have a guide with actual in depth information
Fr i thought i was going insane fighting against one of these mecha bosses trying to do specific assists and the game never gave me the character I actually wanted to dodge with lmaoo Turns out I had grace and I never noticed it always switched to her... I hope they make this feature a manual option in the future because characters that do defensive assist instead of evasive ones can still be switched in when you don't have points to trigger their parry so I dont see why they suddenly can't when facing those specific enemies. I find it very stupid and disruptive that you can't choose anymore against them. Can fuck your rotation up really quickly.
Lucy - Soldier 11 - Ben is a really really good combo. With enough regen on the 2 support units, soldier 11 will have the time of her life as she can just wham on the boss nonstop with the added damage buffs from both Lucy, and Ben
My team is Lucy, S11 and Piper for basically the same reason. For big chain attack damage I make sure to get the enemy over the stun threshold with Piper's EX to build power, then make sure to end the chain attack on Lucy to charge input a fly ball and using the special tag follow up attack on her EX projectiles to immediately switch back to S11 and get right next to the boss. The moment the fly ball comes down both damage buffs are up which is a perfect opportunity to go for her ultimate as well.
Hey man, I've just discovered your channel and seen most of the ZZZ-related videos. I just wanted to say that I really enjoy the way you make those, you are really good at conveying information in an organized and understandable way. Keep it up!
So that’s why Rina would randomly come out during my parries. God damn, it can be so annoying at times when it messed up my rotations that i try to avoid using Rina because of it
Def need to get into the habit of using these more, much more comfortable just using the perfect dodge and only swapping after my lycaon stuns and triggers a chain attack
I wish there was a separate color for attacks that, if you try to dodge counter assist, will instead bring out your evasive assist character. You'd only ever see that color if you have such a character type on your team and it would make things much more clear when the game tags in your character in what would otherwise seem like the wrong order. Ive had my rotations messed up by this because there's no way to discern whether an attack qualifies for this unless you take note of the attack's actual animation alongside trial and error
You should make a video about combining dodge parry with perfect assist. If you haven’t heard of it, you hit the dodge, attack, and then the swap button, all in around 5 frames of each other. This lets your first unit do a parry while your next unit switches in for a perfect assist. This basically gives you free damage, but it can be difficult to master especially if you try to always do the DAP for every attack, which will be a problem for some attacks.
This explained everything except when you're actually supposed to do these things. Like i see the enemy flash and i swap but nothing happens. I keep thinking it's like Dark Souls where you parry before it hits you but that often doesn't work either
Hate when it happens too, sometimes I switch right when I see gold shine and it does jack shit and my previous agent takes damage, and sometimes I went to switch cuz I want to do combo with another agent and the exact frame that it happens, the enemy launches attack that can be parried and my next agent just does that instead
Among the six agents that have a strong parry, half of them are from Belobog Heavy Constructions. And the only Belobog member who doesn't have a strong parry is one of the evasive assist agents. How amazing is that. And by the way, Koleda cannot block a multi-hit combo, but she has a strong counter attack. I'm not sure if she's able to interrupt though.
Thanks for that explanation. The assist parry and dodge system is what makes me want to play this game the most, on top of the way you build up your abilites and the ultimate is a shared charge. it keeps the combat fast paced, where as the burst and skill mode in genshin just got boring over time for me. coming up with optimal rotations to get the abilities and bursts off.
As others have said, Ben's being able to soak Farbauti's combo is definitely a matter of him having a slower movement speed (and shorter knockback distance with each block). Most other agents get knocked back out of Farbauti's reach range mid-combo, but they will successfully parry the entire combo if their knockback path is obstructed (ex: you're up against a corner when the combo starts). That said, I have more fun (and deal more stun) dodge-countering 4 times consecutively with Lycaon (or 3 then ending it with an assist). Dodge counters and parry counters (the follow-up attack after pulling these defensive actions) have varying i-frames depending on the agent so if you haven't already, you can consider making a guide on those.
Something I learned to use a lot is to know that you can swap either forwards or backwards; important since generally wasting assist points on dodges isn’t ideal since it can’t build daze or negate enemy attacks. Unless you’re on mobile which disables your ability to switch backwards.
From my experience, you are correct with your reasoning that Ben does multiple parries because he doesn’t get pushed back as far. This also means that any agent can parry multiple times as long as they don’t get pushed back, like if they have their back against a wall.
Thanks for the indepth dive into this. Was confused as to why my Rina keeps on swapping in at times even when i try to swap or reverse swap (c). Thank you for the clarification!
5:09 "you can't do this on mobile" you can with a controller. the inputs and UI would adapt to a controller on mobile and the previous assist will be available.
Fun fact, my friend shared with me someone on Bilibili performing some advance Triple swap asist combo. Well, taking a step back, you can apparently dash, atk, swap, and atk again and these 2 attacks are treated as "Perfect dodge Counters" But taking this a step further, the example they used is Soukaku, Ellene and Lycaon. Where with Soukaku's long E skill, "dash, attack, swap, swap, attack" (quotes cuz that's how he broke it down and wrote it out but I think the swap comes first) Somehow, by the first attack, it's Ellen's dodge attack (faster than your camera can reposition somehow), and lycaon comes in and TRIGGERS THE PERFECT BLOCK ASSIST FOLLOW UP Reaching 51 stun in just that 1 cycle (for some reference, he showed the normal perfect block assist with Lycaon does 33 stun). On that giant black robot that spins it's legs around twice.
This is a reason why I've taken a (ben) bigger liking to melee agents, since I'm more of a parry partaker than evasion enjoyer, and ranged agents do evasive except for nicole who's carrying a big enough guncase to parry I guess. The flashes being all yellow if I have melee and ranged agents in the team, like my anton rina team, makes it kinda confusing too, especially against the mech bosses, hope they change it so dodge-only attacks are always red.
I hadn't actually noticed the stronger parry character thing! Must not have been paying enough attention haha. That said, I wonder if the stronger parry character differential has correlation to chars who can deflect bullets? Seems like bladed chars can block them and aren't on this list. Ranged seem to be an exception to both. P sure ellen deflects bullets, grace is ranged, koleda doesn't deflect and has the better parry, lycaon idk he has fists ig but i cant remember if he deflects, nekomata deflects, rina is ranged, soldier deflects, anby deflects, anton doesn't but has the parry, ben doesn't but has parry, billy is ranged, corin has the parry but no deflect, lucy i dont remember (id test it but im not at my pc), nicole is ranged, piper has the parry, and soukaku has the parry. I think thats the entire cast right now. So of the cast, 4 chars deflect and dont have the parry, 6 dont deflect but have the parry, 4 are ranged and have neither, and 2 i forget so idk if they fit the pattern. Even skipping those two though, the rest i think matches 100%, unless i forgot something haha
I've been compiling a doc on ZZZ tech and stuff I've found and this actually completed some of the missing pieces and info I had while labbing! But I have a few questions, normal D.assists cost 1 AP to Parry a lighter attack and 2 AP to parry a heavier attack which I assume is what the light and heavy d.assist is for in the skills menu too. Question is are all normal mob hits considered light and are all elite and boss unit hits considered heavy? My doc had listed that mobs take away 1 assist point and elites and bosses take away 2 but I'm not sure if there are exceptions to this. Edit: I can also email you the doc if you wish! I'm always accepting suggestions and contributions haha
This probably a skill issue but on the showcase section for (Jane, Anby, Seth), you can clearly see that the 1st character is Jane then he immediately swapped to Anby which mean that the next character after Anby should be Seth, but the character order on the top left became (Anby, Jane, Seth) instead of (Anby, Seth, Jane). Can someone explain it to me 😅
I'm bad at rhythm games and really doubt I'll be able to pull off the fire basic attacks in the heat of the battle. Do you have any tips for a person like me to play Soldier 11 or I shouldn't even try? I just pulled her yesterday.
Interesting. I really love this mechanic, but I've struggled reprogramming my brain to use it. I'm so used to just dodging normally from years of playing action games.
Im a little lost on your explanation at 4:10, are you saying that every move that has the yellow glow, not all of them can be parried with defensive assist but all of them can be evasive assist. If such moves happen your range character will come in to do the defensive assist regardless of team order?
Yes, that's exactly what happens. If your only Evasive Assist Agent is on the field at the time it will show a Red flash. You can still swap to your next agent, but they will only do a Perfect Dodge instead of the Defensive Assist parry.
It's why I preffer playing solo. This system is very braindead, messes up starting combos, requires 0 actual timing or effort and it's eay too much of a gain. At least perfect dodging is consistent and you can reset your CD by mixing in the counters
wgat i underxstood from the video is that im very jelous that u got soldier 11 and lucy . my account is so bad . also that there are defensive assists , evasive assists and offensiveASSISts and different characters have different assists and that assisists use assist point and sometimes they run out and bens ultimate can replenish all assist points and that assists need to be trugggered rught b4 the enemy hit lands
The Farbauti does a 7-hit combo…I just can’t count apparently.
One strength of Ben that I didn’t mention is that if you parry the strong “turn your screen black and white” attacks then you can just go into his Special counter move instead of swapping or dodging. Incredibly satisfying and that move has so much interrupt that it can stop the boss’ assault.
That is a really cool detail, I'll start trying out Ben after I get a few mindscapes from Zhu Yuan banner. Also thanks for the really in-depth video! I had no idea some characters had stronger parries than others.
i lose the 50/50 in Zhu yuan banner to S11 in 20 pulls. I also got some Ben mindscape and Lucy. I think i know what team i'll try to build next
Follow up on this, I ended up winning my 50/50 for Zhu Yuan and getting C6 Ben. I'm gonna have a lot of fun experimenting.
Farbauti? Isn't it the Dead End Butcherer?
@@Franklin_Johanessan Nope, Dead End Butcher is the huge guy at 0:37 and he does slow and heavy blows, I think his best combo only has three hits
Edit: If transformed he has a pretty long combo too, you got a point here. But the 7-hit combo actually was about the guy at 0:00
Parrying multiple hits make my brain deploy the happy juice
My Soulsborne addicted brain gets really happy when the parry sound plays 😂
Really helped me out with the evasive auto switch thing with the red flash I had no idea why my team order would get screwed randomly
what are you supposed to do to not swap to a evasive character ? just dodge instead and cope ?
@@NielsGx For now, yeah
If you use a combat style that relies on switching between multiple characters to increase damage (for example characters with very long animations on their 4th basic attack or EX special attacks, which Piper happens to have both of), you will also sometimes parry with a character you weren't expecting because the other one was still on the field from their last move.
0:14 the way ben parry is just so cool
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Ben makes it look so easy
This info is mind blowing and explains so many things... like why grace kept showing up when I wasn't trying to swap to her
If the bosses put you in the corner before a long chain any character can do the ben bigger thing and parry them all. So yeah I agree with you on what matters being how far the agent gets pushed back.
When i first saw this video in my recommendation feed, i told myself "huh, its just parry. how hard can it be?" and was about to skip the video. Turns out i was mistaken and glad i watched it
Something to point out. Since Red Flashes are evasive and don't parry the attacks, your Agent thats swapping OUT could still take damage as they are considered still on the field mid animation. Mainly for multi-hit or ranged attacks and non-evasive assist agents.
The 4:00 section about evasive changing the color of the indicator was very helpful, thank you! I wish they'd change that honestly, it's confusing. Just let it stay always red.
@3:03 You are right it's about the push back. If your agent's back is against the wall, you can parry all Farbauti's attack.
Hadn’t ever realized the black and white flash, that’s a great thing to know!
This helped alot! Didn't understand the black n white flashes when fighting bosses, and the tip on ben giving all stacks back is cool!
4:10 OOOH so that's why
i thought my brain short circuited and was feeling bad for getting older lol
thank you for this, not often you have a guide with actual in depth information
Fr i thought i was going insane fighting against one of these mecha bosses trying to do specific assists and the game never gave me the character I actually wanted to dodge with lmaoo Turns out I had grace and I never noticed it always switched to her...
I hope they make this feature a manual option in the future because characters that do defensive assist instead of evasive ones can still be switched in when you don't have points to trigger their parry so I dont see why they suddenly can't when facing those specific enemies. I find it very stupid and disruptive that you can't choose anymore against them. Can fuck your rotation up really quickly.
Lucy - Soldier 11 - Ben is a really really good combo. With enough regen on the 2 support units, soldier 11 will have the time of her life as she can just wham on the boss nonstop with the added damage buffs from both Lucy, and Ben
My team is Lucy, S11 and Piper for basically the same reason. For big chain attack damage I make sure to get the enemy over the stun threshold with Piper's EX to build power, then make sure to end the chain attack on Lucy to charge input a fly ball and using the special tag follow up attack on her EX projectiles to immediately switch back to S11 and get right next to the boss. The moment the fly ball comes down both damage buffs are up which is a perfect opportunity to go for her ultimate as well.
Hey man, I've just discovered your channel and seen most of the ZZZ-related videos.
I just wanted to say that I really enjoy the way you make those, you are really good at conveying information in an organized and understandable way.
Keep it up!
Thanks, I seriously thought the points were in the background and invisible. I decided to look it up and my search led me here.
I cannot tell you how satisfying a continuous Perfect Assist on a enemy multi attack feels for me
So that’s why Rina would randomly come out during my parries. God damn, it can be so annoying at times when it messed up my rotations that i try to avoid using Rina because of it
U can rotate team backwards with button "c"
please upload more ZZZ videos!
Your quality is on top!
Def need to get into the habit of using these more, much more comfortable just using the perfect dodge and only swapping after my lycaon stuns and triggers a chain attack
I wish there was a separate color for attacks that, if you try to dodge counter assist, will instead bring out your evasive assist character. You'd only ever see that color if you have such a character type on your team and it would make things much more clear when the game tags in your character in what would otherwise seem like the wrong order. Ive had my rotations messed up by this because there's no way to discern whether an attack qualifies for this unless you take note of the attack's actual animation alongside trial and error
You should make a video about combining dodge parry with perfect assist. If you haven’t heard of it, you hit the dodge, attack, and then the swap button, all in around 5 frames of each other. This lets your first unit do a parry while your next unit switches in for a perfect assist. This basically gives you free damage, but it can be difficult to master especially if you try to always do the DAP for every attack, which will be a problem for some attacks.
This explained everything except when you're actually supposed to do these things. Like i see the enemy flash and i swap but nothing happens. I keep thinking it's like Dark Souls where you parry before it hits you but that often doesn't work either
Same same! I was searching for info about that for so long, but no results..
Hate when it happens too, sometimes I switch right when I see gold shine and it does jack shit and my previous agent takes damage, and sometimes I went to switch cuz I want to do combo with another agent and the exact frame that it happens, the enemy launches attack that can be parried and my next agent just does that instead
Among the six agents that have a strong parry, half of them are from Belobog Heavy Constructions. And the only Belobog member who doesn't have a strong parry is one of the evasive assist agents. How amazing is that.
And by the way, Koleda cannot block a multi-hit combo, but she has a strong counter attack. I'm not sure if she's able to interrupt though.
Thanks for that explanation. The assist parry and dodge system is what makes me want to play this game the most, on top of the way you build up your abilites and the ultimate is a shared charge. it keeps the combat fast paced, where as the burst and skill mode in genshin just got boring over time for me. coming up with optimal rotations to get the abilities and bursts off.
As others have said, Ben's being able to soak Farbauti's combo is definitely a matter of him having a slower movement speed (and shorter knockback distance with each block). Most other agents get knocked back out of Farbauti's reach range mid-combo, but they will successfully parry the entire combo if their knockback path is obstructed (ex: you're up against a corner when the combo starts).
That said, I have more fun (and deal more stun) dodge-countering 4 times consecutively with Lycaon (or 3 then ending it with an assist). Dodge counters and parry counters (the follow-up attack after pulling these defensive actions) have varying i-frames depending on the agent so if you haven't already, you can consider making a guide on those.
clicked this cuz bored and was sure I knew everything already. I was wrong. wow they really don't explain shit in this game lol
It's mihoyo. They put all the explaining to the users
That's why i use controller when i play on mobile since the output is different with controller. I can swap back and forth between agents.
Something I learned to use a lot is to know that you can swap either forwards or backwards; important since generally wasting assist points on dodges isn’t ideal since it can’t build daze or negate enemy attacks. Unless you’re on mobile which disables your ability to switch backwards.
From my experience, you are correct with your reasoning that Ben does multiple parries because he doesn’t get pushed back as far. This also means that any agent can parry multiple times as long as they don’t get pushed back, like if they have their back against a wall.
Thanks for the indepth dive into this.
Was confused as to why my Rina keeps on swapping in at times even when i try to swap or reverse swap (c). Thank you for the clarification!
5:09 "you can't do this on mobile"
you can with a controller. the inputs and UI would adapt to a controller on mobile and the previous assist will be available.
cries in no controller. What kind of controller do you use for mobile?
Fr, I use a PS5 controller for more convenience
Very good video.
Learned some new tricks.
Fun fact, my friend shared with me someone on Bilibili performing some advance Triple swap asist combo.
Well, taking a step back, you can apparently dash, atk, swap, and atk again and these 2 attacks are treated as "Perfect dodge Counters"
But taking this a step further, the example they used is Soukaku, Ellene and Lycaon. Where with Soukaku's long E skill, "dash, attack, swap, swap, attack" (quotes cuz that's how he broke it down and wrote it out but I think the swap comes first)
Somehow, by the first attack, it's Ellen's dodge attack (faster than your camera can reposition somehow), and lycaon comes in and TRIGGERS THE PERFECT BLOCK ASSIST FOLLOW UP
Reaching 51 stun in just that 1 cycle (for some reference, he showed the normal perfect block assist with Lycaon does 33 stun). On that giant black robot that spins it's legs around twice.
This is a reason why I've taken a (ben) bigger liking to melee agents, since I'm more of a parry partaker than evasion enjoyer, and ranged agents do evasive except for nicole who's carrying a big enough guncase to parry I guess.
The flashes being all yellow if I have melee and ranged agents in the team, like my anton rina team, makes it kinda confusing too, especially against the mech bosses, hope they change it so dodge-only attacks are always red.
Thanks for showing all the evasions
It's kinda sad that mobile layout can't swap backward, at least mobile players can still access it by swapping to controller input.
I’ve used Anby before and she parried 3 chained attacks from an enemy before (I’ve forgotten) and it’s pretty satisfying
omg.. i always wondered why rina kept swapping despite her order.. thanks so much
4:05 ohhhhhh I was wondering why I couldnt parry tha mibe with anby/anton and rina kept appearing lol. Thx for the video!
last gameplay was a masterclass
I hadn't actually noticed the stronger parry character thing! Must not have been paying enough attention haha. That said, I wonder if the stronger parry character differential has correlation to chars who can deflect bullets? Seems like bladed chars can block them and aren't on this list. Ranged seem to be an exception to both.
P sure ellen deflects bullets, grace is ranged, koleda doesn't deflect and has the better parry, lycaon idk he has fists ig but i cant remember if he deflects, nekomata deflects, rina is ranged, soldier deflects, anby deflects, anton doesn't but has the parry, ben doesn't but has parry, billy is ranged, corin has the parry but no deflect, lucy i dont remember (id test it but im not at my pc), nicole is ranged, piper has the parry, and soukaku has the parry. I think thats the entire cast right now.
So of the cast, 4 chars deflect and dont have the parry, 6 dont deflect but have the parry, 4 are ranged and have neither, and 2 i forget so idk if they fit the pattern. Even skipping those two though, the rest i think matches 100%, unless i forgot something haha
Please make more videos like this ❤
i hate that i cant decide who to swap to when doing the swap counter... they need to change that
Great video thanks for the info
I needed this video!!!
It's much more satisfying if you evo37 continuous attacks, timing each one with the attack button and counterattack if you press it too early
Just wanna add little detail, on mobile u can swap forwrd or backward if u using a controller
I've been compiling a doc on ZZZ tech and stuff I've found and this actually completed some of the missing pieces and info I had while labbing! But I have a few questions, normal D.assists cost 1 AP to Parry a lighter attack and 2 AP to parry a heavier attack which I assume is what the light and heavy d.assist is for in the skills menu too. Question is are all normal mob hits considered light and are all elite and boss unit hits considered heavy?
My doc had listed that mobs take away 1 assist point and elites and bosses take away 2 but I'm not sure if there are exceptions to this.
Edit: I can also email you the doc if you wish! I'm always accepting suggestions and contributions haha
Thank you!
This probably a skill issue but on the showcase section for (Jane, Anby, Seth), you can clearly see that the 1st character is Jane then he immediately swapped to Anby which mean that the next character after Anby should be Seth, but the character order on the top left became (Anby, Jane, Seth) instead of (Anby, Seth, Jane). Can someone explain it to me 😅
I always thought some moves were just red flashes. I didn't know assist points played a role. Wow I kinda have to take that into consideration lol.
Ok that first clip alone made me realise I didn't really understand parrying at all lol
I'm bad at rhythm games and really doubt I'll be able to pull off the fire basic attacks in the heat of the battle. Do you have any tips for a person like me to play Soldier 11 or I shouldn't even try? I just pulled her yesterday.
Nice video
Thank you
Interesting. I really love this mechanic, but I've struggled reprogramming my brain to use it. I'm so used to just dodging normally from years of playing action games.
i came here to find how is the timing on mobile device. it seems way harder
because i need to trigger before even the color is flashing
In short, use instinct than rely on confusing colors given 🔥👀
I think for a parry ur agent that will parry needs to wield like a non ranged weapon?? Idk
How do you swap characters when dodging?
Now I know what the red flash mean. I thought it was meant unblock able attack.
Im a little lost on your explanation at 4:10, are you saying that every move that has the yellow glow, not all of them can be parried with defensive assist but all of them can be evasive assist. If such moves happen your range character will come in to do the defensive assist regardless of team order?
Yes, that's exactly what happens. If your only Evasive Assist Agent is on the field at the time it will show a Red flash. You can still swap to your next agent, but they will only do a Perfect Dodge instead of the Defensive Assist parry.
That being said you don't need to abuse it tho, best way to use it is when you ran out of dodges.
You can switch backwards on android by connecting a gamepad and changing the control settings
that- that just means you're using a controller with your phone as a console though. If you're purely playing mobile it's impossible.
You can switch left on mobile, just not with touch controls. Gotta have a gamepad
holeh moleh i just use the sound cue when dodging or parrying. i dont really look at the color of the flash 😂
Oh i always forgot we have parry limit thanks
It's why I preffer playing solo. This system is very braindead, messes up starting combos, requires 0 actual timing or effort and it's eay too much of a gain.
At least perfect dodging is consistent and you can reset your CD by mixing in the counters
Just remember red dodge only gold dodge or parry
wgat i underxstood from the video is that im very jelous that u got soldier 11 and lucy . my account is so bad . also that there are defensive assists , evasive assists and offensiveASSISts and different characters have different assists and that assisists use assist point and sometimes they run out and bens ultimate can replenish all assist points and that assists need to be trugggered rught b4 the enemy hit lands
wow
i still don't get it.....
Perfect dodging also refunds 1 perfect assist bar
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