Elbilmek finding issues on BMW i3 120 Ah
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Both dust protections of my front shock absorbers of my I3 were broken. 5 years old and 55.000 km. BMW repaired it for free. I had no insurance of any kind.
You three are actually a great trio together. Lots of info and laughs.
The 120ah i3 is actually a really practical and fun to drive car. It is one of the best options on the affordable used EV market right now.
i3 would be a nice replacement for Frankenstein - at the very least you would be able to drive 150km without worrying about finding a Chademo charger. A degradation test would be good because it would also be some guidance for Mini Cooper S E owners as both cars share the same running gear but Mini is conventional steel body and I3 is Carbon Fibre “space frame” type construction. Also both cars have instruction from BMW to always let the BMS handle the charging and to go to 100% every time………
I think your videos with older cars (like the Geilo test, but also zero mile and degradation) will be very important in the future when the market for used EVs will be growing. Right now, the choice is quite limited in 5-9yo cars category, leaf 1, TMS, Ioniq, Zoe, i3 and triplets, and that is pretty much all but in 1-2 years a lot of other mass-market cars will enter the group TM3, Niro, Kona, Leaf 2, MEB cars (mostly ID-3) etc. And those test will be important for people from for example Western Europe (e.g. Poland) where people buy mostly used cars from Germany, France, and Norway (most Leafs 1 on Polish roads actually comes from Norway :) )
Agree, i think that testing new cars will become irrelevant, the biggest market will become used, as these cars filter down how much impact will degradation have?
@@freddydad1 not as much as many people think.
(Need to compare the cost with, perhaps, duel mass flywheel failures and egr clogging 😂)
@@freddydad1 I do not know if it will be the biggest, I think testing new cars is still important but the aftermarket will grow very fast in the next few years and since the most knowledge about degradation comes from extreme cases of taxi drivers or... leaf 1 people think that 8-10yo cars will be useless...
Yet another think will be manufacturer approach to used batteries i.e. if they will be buying them back to regenerate them and put in lower tier cars to lower the cost.... we will see :)
*Ioniq
Older Leafs suffer because they are CHAdeMO and they are getting rarer as networks like Ionity and Tesla don't bother with them. As the older chargers get replaced-it may be harder to find chargers while on the move.
Change the shock absorber rubber protection to Sachs! I did and they last a lot longer because it is a lot thicker rubber than stock!
I do not see the option to pick i3 on the Sachs' site. Do you still have the Sachs part numbers handy?
The BMW front suspension item is: Dust Shield, Suspension Strut Bellows, Spring Pad With Guard Tube 313570
Yes, Ioniq 28 to the North Cape in Winter of course. :)
You need a Classic 28kWh Ioniq 👍
Looking forward for more of this i3 videos.
Ioniq 28 of course :)
Hi Björn, it would be very interesting to do a degradation test on this i3. I own an i3s from the same year (2019) with 50k kilometers on the clock. It does not show any signs of degradation yet, but it would be great to have an idea on how well the battery is holding up. Keep up the great work - I love your channel, man!
I have a more ancient one.. 2016, 176,000km. Mine is the REX version (33kWh) but I'm guessing it doesn't make that much difference. I drive it well over 90% electric.
I'm planning to do a degradation test on it myself and it would be really nice to have this comparison.
Any battery degrades. BMW is just good at hiding it.
@@bjornnyland slightly negative about the car in this initial response. And I think it's even not right in this case. The battery has a big buffer. By doing this, you'll never stretch the battery to the max (concerning upper and lower buffer). It's not about hiding, it's about taking care of a battery in a smart way. My humble opinion on this ;)
I suspect most batteries from same period of build are pretty similar in degradation when the 20-80% buffers are the same size. But of course buffers aren't the same which can make a difference. Still think many modern ev's are capable to do over 200.000 km.
Dont laugh about the skinny but efficient and economical tires. Nowdays fat low profiles is a stupid and expensive fashion.
Yep, exactly right. On top of that, modern big diameter rims are totally unecessary and a net drawback to most drivers as well. This car should have had 14" or 15" inch rims on top of the skinny tires if it wasnt for looks.
Low profile tyres make a very expensive noise when you park badly-my new car went back to classic tyre profile, even though "crossover" still means oversized wheels taking more trunk space
Fat tyres do have better acceleration, cornering friction and braking- but they do acquaplane more easily if you let the tread wear....
@@SteveLoughran You are quite right, but the difference in those areas where they have an advantage is so small as to be dwarfed by lots of other factors, and certainly isnt very interesting and couldnt even be identified by the average motorist on an average road.
@@GoldenCroc I'd say the tendency to plane is more significant, but it's no new -my wife's Ml II Golf GTi liked to do that and I've managed to scare myself once too on a Belgian autoroute. But tread depth is the dominant factor: check up on tyre depth before the rainy season begins and make sure all is well. Apparently Teslas have a bit of a problem there -either due to people accelerating aggressively or just because of the weight of the vehicles when braking. Which, if true, means the EVs which use battery size to give the range their customers think they need (hello Audi SQS etron Q8) are going to be even worse. We shall see
I had the 33 Kwh i3 and after 4 years and 143,000 Kms it still showed 29.5 Kwh available the same as when I got it at 9 months old and 9,000 Kms. Very impressive.
It would be interesting to know the battery degradation on the 44 Kwh.
My id3 82 Kwh had 73.6 Usable Kwh when new now it has 71.5 Kwh or roughly 2% degradation after 2 years and 67,000 Kms but I take that with a pinch of salt as the id3 rarely sees close to a full charge discharge cycle and the BMS probably isn't fully calibrated, last night was the first time it reached 10% in the 2 years I own it, I ran it low to test fast charging on 3.2 software and saw max 87 Kw after about 10 mins plugged in, it started at 75 Kw possible it warmed the battery though I didn't monitor that in the beginning. I did see that battery temp at the end was around 32 deg C, this was plugged in from 10-42% got 22 Kwh in 17 mins, not fantastic.
Ah is a strange unit because it says nothing about the voltage.
For comparing capacity between different battery voltages yes, but for same voltage stuff it makes sense, like 12V batteries etc
Definitely IONIQ would be nice "Christmas present". 🎄
Oh! You have a Toyota RAV4 EV in the background. Only sold here in California and motor made by Tesla! They’re super fun to drive. I’ve shredded tires on our company car one. 😅 2:29
Bjørn can you do a test with it??
Looking forward to this! I have an i3 44kw. You godt love Marcus, what a great guy and a generous partner for Bjørn.
Oh, some i3 love. ❤
Nice to see a "review" of a regular, used, car. That's something that is needed for BEVs overall to succeed.
Bjørn, do a test of the power steering. I know of several i3-s where the steering gets heavy and with bad self centering. It gets worse with low temperatures. Costs "a million" to fix, and BMW have never heard of the problem. Sure...
When the car is jacked up the dust protectors unseat in top of the damper they will come into place when the car rest on wheels again. So that is normal.
Ioniq 🎉🎉🎉
I have a Jan 2015 i3 60Ah range extender, it's on 107.5k miles (173k km). I've had it for over 4 years, it had 42k miles (67.5k km) when I bought it, and I've not noticed any serious degradation. They are lovely cars 😊
I have one of these (2016, 33kWh REX, 176,000km).
My suggestion for an extra test is how the skinny tyres perform on a skid pan - or a Moose Test. (My gut feel from having driven mine for a couple of years is that its Moose Test would be pretty poor - especially in the wet.)
Would be very interested to see the normal degradation test as well of course.
Really looking forward to that highland content!
Classic Ioniq please Bjorn.
Why so negative... I think this older BMWi3 is in many aspects ahead of other cars (as Munro still believes, even as being Tesla fan) . Concerned the material used, production methods and weight, I think it's still one of the most eco friendliest ev's out there.
1. It doesn't have radar so ACC will very often fail in low sun or when leaving tunnels.
2. Running heater while charging will overheat the battery.
3. Skinny tires makes the car unstable already at only 120 km/h.
4. Trunk space us a joke compared to many other cars in same size. Reason for it is that below the trunk, there's a placeholder for rex engine even in BEV models.
5. Suicide doors are very impractical if you only need to open the rear door.
6. Car is quite overpriced compared to what you get.
7. Frunk is not dust or water sealed.
But other than that, the car is nice.
@@bjornnyland Suicide doors also means massive A pillars and blind spots which is a bummer in a city car. It also has very aggressive unadjustable regen settings because of the small battery which gives my kiddo car sickness pretty easily. Still love mine but it's a deeply weird and flawed vehicle.
@@bjornnyland thanks for
The answer. Don't be surprised: I bought an i3S back after driving an id4 for 2 years. Point 3 is solved with the i3S, point 4 is better with the Wokeby trunk extension, and they have also the solution for your nr7 point. I love the car and , probably you won't understand, I even cancelled the order for a Tesla M3 after driving it again for some while. It's one of a kind. You love it, or hate it. I can't explain, it's against many reasonable expectations, but I prefer this car above many others. I'll keep driving it. ( and at least and for sure, the ergonomics are better than the Boeing 737 I'm flying. ;) . Even the automation is at a higher level. It's probably all about the expectations. At a last point. Parking a car at an airport is a nightmare. Normally they won't get nicer there. This one will stay free from many scratches and bumps because of the carbon reinforced plastics used as panels. Your point of the suicide doors I don't share. With small kids they are very practical. It's easy to get the kids seat in, and they are in save inside as in a 2/3 doors car. I never heard an issue about 2 doors cars. You can always find negative points, but also focus on the bright side. For instance material use and eco footprint of this car. It's massive smaller than an average Tesla ;)
@@elliots4370 the regen is adjustable with the "gas/electric" pedal. It works perfectly. The "a" pillars are not bigger as usual. It's possible to skip the "b" pillars, because they used a carbon fibre chassis. It's much stronger than a conventional steel chassis and very light at the same time.
I still can't get over those tires. They look like 4 spare tires (the ones you used to have in your trunk.)
2014 i3 REX here with 175000km. Just did my government technical inspection here in Switzerland. No problems at all. Best car I ever owned. Wanted to sell it, but now I think I just keep it. Not worth much anymore, but best car for daily commute and city. Plus nothing can rust there :) 🎉
Valdemar just repeating Bjorn's dirty lines seemingly without thinking again and again :'D
Very interested in your results. I also own an i3 from august 2019, though only 38k km on it
I'd love a turning radius test like you did with the buzz :D Compared with other city cars such as the mini
Classic Ioniq definitely! 😊
I had i3 REX for 5.5 years 90K miles. No problems except frequent changing of run-flat tires. I now own the i4, but the i3 was a great car!
Marcus should let you run the 'classic' Ioniq for 6 months - show him how good it is!
On hamstering and beeping: I believe any car should give a warning when the car in operation state ("ignition on", "drive mode"), and you open a door. The risk is that the car drives away whilst a person might get in to or out of the car. The solution: switch off the car. The beeping will be gone then.
Tesla and many other car doesn't beep. Solution:
If not buckled up and butt sensor gets no pressure anymore, automatically put the car in park. This has worked im Tesla since 2012.
I want you to test e-golf for 6 months :)
I3 was the best compact ev for its time
And still is. And If anyone can't pay for it...
Don't complain about the price and the car ;)
Keep dringend report on the i3, super!
A race between i3 and e-Golf🥳
The i3 suspension dust guards (that's the official name) fail on ALL the cars. I had mine replaced at 4 years old and the front ones are already beginning to show signs of wear again. Check out the Wisely automotive videos on i3 renovations - they show all the common faults.
The front rubber installation for the shock absorbers is a common problem and will most likely be covered under „good will“ policy by BMW. At least my experience.
I would love to see a degradation test on that i3!!!
I would say "previous owner didn't service it".
That being said my mom drives cars the same way...like it's an appliance oof😅
i3 is interesting!
The seats in the i3 dosnt stand water. You get stains if it get wet from rain. Drove my i3 for 80000km fantastic car.
I see these a lot where I live. It would be nice to see a winter 1000km challenge with the 120Ah.
Björn, when we can expect you driving the new BMW I5?
Just bought a bmw13s 120ah , having issues with the heater system works intermittently, have you ever experienced this issue and how do you fix this .
e-UP! Please 😁
13:38 Classic Ioniq FTW!!
9:53 i3 was built in Leipzig
Ionic 13:07
The shock absorber protection is always disintegrating on the i3. Especial the OEM ones...
I think you could also test a Hyundai Kona with the small 39kwh battery. That would also be interesting 😅
Ioniq please! Great video
I like the i3 but the tyre dimension is so odd, thats a real dealbreaker!
They wear down pretty quickly (30k - 35k km) and are expensive too.
If you'll go for eGolf facelift (36kWh), it can split AC 7.2kW into 2 phase 2x16A, which is nice for garage with 3x16. 3phase i3 will be even cooler.
My vote is for Ze Germans.😄
The i3 was manufactured in Leipzig not in München.
Request the Soul. All the other cars seem too easy 😊
Degradation test on this or original 22kWh i3 would be great.
Degradation on the original I3 was much more than on the 33 Kwh, I had the 33 Kwh and after 4 years and 143,000 Kms battery it showed 29.5 Kwh capacity same as when I got it at 9 months old and 9,000 Kms.
Good idea as the battery cycle count would be double that of the 44kWh at the same mileage, plus the age degradation.
@@glenf4115 It's not only the cycle count, the chemistry is different, I remember seeing the specs Samsung released for that particular 33 Kwh battery in the i3 and remember saying, "no way" but it may just prove to be true. Something like 5000 cycles to I think it was 80%.
@@o00scorpion00o They all used Samsung sdi prismatic cells, 6000 cycles to 20% degradation, 30 year pack life. They do not show a pack degradation by age chart.
At 143,000 km:
1st Gen 21.40 kWh with 110km range would be: 143,000 odometer / 110km range = 1300 cycles = 5% degradation
2nd Gen 33.77 kWh with 166km range would be: 143,000 odometer / 166km range = 861 cycles = 2% to 3% degradation
At 6000 cycles to 20% degradation the mileage would be:
1st Gen 110km x 6000 = 660,000 km for the 21.40 kWh pack
2nd Gen 166km x 6000 = 996,000 km for the 33.77 kWh pack
@@glenf4115 Yeah pretty long life, time will tell but I was very impressed for sure with the 33 Kwh.
The 1st gen didn't fair so well though just like the first gen Leaf. They were different cells.
look at those tires
Bicycle tires
@@bjornnyland not quite :D bicycles still use diagonal-ply tires (without good reason)
My 2019 120ah with 124'000km, just got a warranty repair, top strut mount bearing and the seat belt buckle, because of sensor fault in the buckle.
Bmw said nothing, as the car is within 5 years warranty.
Classic ioniq 🙌 for Christmas
BMW warranty is 5 years and 200000 km in Norway
Geilo :) yes
Bjørn da ! ;-)
Go for the Ioniq! (I hope 28)
But the 38kwh Ioniq has Bluelink support so it should have interior preconditioning.
Charges so slow though.
@@FFVoyager new charge curve after 2020
@@etienned2354 the 28 rapid charges fast. The 38 is very, very slow.
@@etienned2354 Yes. MY 2022 Ioniq peaks at 47kw for a lot longer than the earlier 2020 model.
Interior preconditioning wouldn't improve performance or be too important for Bjorn, he lives in the cars. OBD scanner is the ultimate mission control for a nerd.
I would definitely go or a BMW i3s, way more fun to drive...
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Hot water for fender bender 😂
Definitely the Ioniq Classic would be the best car. 😀
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i3björn !
Yup. My wife (who was about to replace the air filters on our Model Y) was pretty pissed off at your comment. Nice one Bjørn. :(
Sorry, I had no idea I would offend women with my comments, lol
I forgot that we can only make jokes about men, but *never* make jokes about women.
As for "women not caring for maintenance" I can confirm but I must say there's huge variability among them.
Toyota Rav 4 ev (first ed.), or the Ford Ranger Pickup..
13:30 Ioniq 38 does have app, but rapid-charges slower than 28, so could be interesting "EV bashing" content on trips...
I was looking around and apparently the 2019 28kwh has BlueLink in the US. Although it's not that necessary if you're camping in the car for 5 minute charging stops like Bjorn. Stupidly enough, it wasn't added for Canada, where 1st Gen Korean EVs have a cult following. The lowest trim of the classic has heated REAR seats, rear HVAC vents and blindspot warning included, all of which they removed from the base 2020 model! weird cost cutting for a 35k CAD sub-300km commuter. Hopefully the degredation tests can at least give me confidence in a high-mileage battery.
The solution to the Ah vs kWh debate is to make a 1kV architecture car, then the numbers will be the same.
So long to highland..
Ioniq 28kWh!!!
Ioniq, hands down.
my mom and sister are quite a bit better at keeping up with regular service intervals than i am. so if the car was servicedd at the offical service centers, they should have spotted the type of problems it has.
there is still nothing new about i3 on your channel. when can we expect?
Kia Soul EV 30 kWh!
BMW i3
Maybe the lady was a dog?
This is a hate comment
I call this BMW I3 car the EV hater. Anyone in a BMW showroom looking at this EV would think this is not the FUTURE. I think BMW made this odd useless car to sell more ICE cars. There is so much wrong with the design and engineering if just makes me laugh. All the development money spent for this???? Tesla for the win