To tell you you the truth, I actually really like this version of the Riddler, though different in quite a few ways. I enjoy a lot of the new twists, and turns that they bring to this character while keeping some some of the fundamentals of the character.
That's fine, I don't agree with some choices made for the character and I do with others. Everyone has a right to their own opinions, I'm glad you like this Riddler.
I kinda like this Riddler but its not my favorite. It feels like different character in most parts. Almost like someone imitating THE Riddler. I don't mind the new look. I kinda get behind the plan. I like the social media aspect. But there is something missing or wrong in the personality. I feel like he showed mental weakness too often and in wrong places. He should had been more confident and talk down people. Only time we see this is when he realizes how Batman didn't get his clues - and even then he doesn't badword batman at all - just gives a new clue. Movie was fine but i was hoping that after they arrested this poor kid that there would be plot twist that he was used by the actual riddler. But i guess i expected too much and thus got disappointed. Was still fine character - probably best live action movie Riddler we have had ever (so far). And his presence still made movie work - might had been one of the best batman movies (altho to me the actor did great batman but really poor Bruce Wayne - he looked good with mask but when he took it off i couldn't see Bruce anywhere).
I don't know why they wanted Riddler to look like the Zodiac Killer. Let me know if you think I made a mistake in my evaluation and if there's a Riddler you like to see reviewed. The next Riddler will be Arkham Asylum Riddler.
@@dr.buttholebigstacks3916 fair, I just wish he had his bowler hat. It would've made his silhouette more interesting on the scenes we see it. Also, great name.
These are really fun videos. Honestly inspiring me to do my own evaluations of comic book characters. I was thinking of doing a “How Superman is Superman.” Whether these musings will actually be made into videos is up in the air, but it’s fun to think about.
@@CaptainVile1852 Most likely not since most evil Supermen act as alternate universe counterparts to another version of Superman that make brief appearances like the Justice Lords Superman: DCAU Superman. I’d probably focus on him when he’s the traditional heroic Superman since that’s what I prefer.
I'm pretty sure by the end of this series we will have the revel you've been Riddlers all along and that was how you made the most accurate Riddler traits list to ever Riddler.
For me, my biggest gripe against this guy is that he plainly and simply doesn't FEEL like Riddler. Oh sure, he meets the basic criteria, and I can't say Paul Dano is bad in the role, but this Riddler doesn't LOOK like a Riddler, and he doesn't ACT like a Riddler. So far as I'm concerned, his motivations just don't work for the character - a Riddler who isn't either starved for attention or obsessed with outwitting his foes (or both) simply isn't the Riddler. He feels like he's borrowing some other villain's shtick.
To be fair, he never accused Batman of cheating because Batman was totally behind him for the entire length of the movie. Hopefully when we see this character again he can be even more Riddler-y. Him not having to cover his face up as his identity is out gives us a fine reason for a green suit with a green bowler hat.
Here's why I hate this Riddler: They turned the Prince of Puzzles, dripping with rizz and draped with a girl on each arm into an internet incel. "Why did they turn him into the Zodiac Killer?" No, even that would have been interesting, a serial killer targeting young lovers in Gotham would have been a movie but in the Batman the Riddler has to remain a subplot. So what they did was turn him into an influencer troll, someone who was on Baman's side until he wasn't. Agree or disagree: The Riddler is too vain to wear glasses, he'd either wear contacts or use Lasik.
The riddles were pretty clever, and I liked the el ratta alata thing. I think he purposefully mistranslated the "el" in place of "la" so Batman would get the clue (URL-ratta alata). But Riddler's killing scenes look very amateur serial killer, especially with the heavy breathing when he does the duct tape, almost like he's getting off on it. He's supposedly very high IQ, so this was not fitting at all, and just felt like the script was like, "yeah, just act like you're turned on by it, ya know, typical serial killer vibes." Feels way off the mark and shows a lack of understanding of the source material, and doesn't even go with this portrayal's motive for killing in the first place. In the movie cannon, he kills for a political agenda, not for the pleasure of killing. I just hope in future installments he evolves into a more intelligent portrayal where he's trying to one up Batman's intelligence, like the source material.
Yeah, I thought it was weird how he sat on top of him to. His tantrum at the end felt more like Riddler, I hope they focus more on that in the next movie he's in.
@@CaptainVile1852 I thought his tantrum at the end was pretty good and true to the character. Especially how he opens saying "Bruce Wayne". At first I thought he knew Batman's identity, but I had to watch a few more times and noticed Batman changes his facial expression when he realizes Riddler was implying that him and Batman were meant to take down Bruce Wayne as sort of partners. Riddler losing it after he realizes Batman doesn't approve of his brand of vengeance was a very true Batman moment.
You’ve said Once Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League comes out, you’ll unfortunately have to review its Riddler. While we wait for that, could I just say that most things done with the suicide squad tends to be crap? ESPECIALLY the 2016 film, I especially hate that one for introducing Punk Harley. While Jared Leto Joker never happened again AFAIK, the “Punk” version/design of Harley Quinn has reappeared a couple times, even as the protagonist of the 2019 “Harley Quinn” cartoon. Idk if it’s just me but I genuinely believe the design is awful and doesn’t suit the character at all.
You have just described what I have had trouble putting into words what modern Harley is like in media, the last time I've seen classic Harley I believe was Arkham Knight. She's felt like a different character since then.
do you know about the official comic book written by paul dano? called The Riddler: Year One, it goes really in depth about his backstory as an orphan and how he had a normal job before becoming the riddler. i cant tell if youve read it or not based on this review
I own it but haven't gotten around to reading it yet. Even then, anything in it doesn't help this Riddler as even though they're the same version it's a different piece of media. That version will eventually get is own video.
Just out of curiosity, how come you'll be reviewing the Arkhamverse Riddler separately for each of his appearances in the games? If anything I think his progress through the games series as a character arc of him slowly losing more and more of his sanity. I really love that through each of his designs in every game you can see how his stability and mentality deteriorate. In Arkham Origins he doesn't entirely sound sure of himself. He looks quite fit and handsome like he actually takes care of himself but as the character progresses he becomes more and more unhinged. In Arkham Asylum he is more obsessed, in Arkham City he looks filled with dirt around his clothes, he has noticeable stubble, looks a lot skinnier and has gone to more extreme lengths to ensure Batman solves his riddles to the point where in Arkham Knight Batman is all he thinks about, so much so that he started building robots instead hiring more goons because they would only follow his commands. I love the taunts and the boasts and the way he just completely melts down when he's beaten because he can't even begin to comprehend that he's not the smartest person in existence.
Ya know what movie did a better live action Riddler than The Batman movie? The movie 12 rounds with John Cena. Not even joking. It has no connection with DC, but it nailed Riddler. Movie is about a criminal mastermind who puts John Cena(a detective) up against various tasks and challenges as revenge. It's a very fun watch, and the end twist is exactly something that Riddler would do.
@@MuriloAraújo-j2x I don't know why people try to make Batman grounded when half of his villains are so goofy their name alone changes the tone of a movie. I prefer the 1966 and brave and the bold shows since they lean in on the silliness of Batman and his villains.
@@CaptainVile1852 thats why i love the burton movies,they are so absurd but they are pretty dark at the same time.i love 1966 show as well,i hate when people say the show is bad because its actually super faithful to the silver age comics at the time.
To tell you you the truth, I actually really like this version of the Riddler, though different in quite a few ways. I enjoy a lot of the new twists, and turns that they bring to this character while keeping some some of the fundamentals of the character.
That's fine, I don't agree with some choices made for the character and I do with others. Everyone has a right to their own opinions, I'm glad you like this Riddler.
I kinda like this Riddler but its not my favorite. It feels like different character in most parts. Almost like someone imitating THE Riddler. I don't mind the new look. I kinda get behind the plan. I like the social media aspect. But there is something missing or wrong in the personality. I feel like he showed mental weakness too often and in wrong places. He should had been more confident and talk down people. Only time we see this is when he realizes how Batman didn't get his clues - and even then he doesn't badword batman at all - just gives a new clue. Movie was fine but i was hoping that after they arrested this poor kid that there would be plot twist that he was used by the actual riddler. But i guess i expected too much and thus got disappointed. Was still fine character - probably best live action movie Riddler we have had ever (so far). And his presence still made movie work - might had been one of the best batman movies (altho to me the actor did great batman but really poor Bruce Wayne - he looked good with mask but when he took it off i couldn't see Bruce anywhere).
I don't know why they wanted Riddler to look like the Zodiac Killer. Let me know if you think I made a mistake in my evaluation and if there's a Riddler you like to see reviewed. The next Riddler will be Arkham Asylum Riddler.
Great video
I think it works to be honest. Like a cartoony riddler wouldn’t work in this universe, he’d be too out of place.
@@dr.buttholebigstacks3916 fair, I just wish he had his bowler hat. It would've made his silhouette more interesting on the scenes we see it. Also, great name.
Oh my God, I misspelled conundrums. Well I can't really change that.
Conundrumbs lol
@@andydrew3834 Always remember to check when editing.
These are really fun videos. Honestly inspiring me to do my own evaluations of comic book characters. I was thinking of doing a “How Superman is Superman.” Whether these musings will actually be made into videos is up in the air, but it’s fun to think about.
That's great! Are you going to make a set of rules for him to follow for when he's evil like in injustice or will they all be on the same set?
@@CaptainVile1852 Most likely not since most evil Supermen act as alternate universe counterparts to another version of Superman that make brief appearances like the Justice Lords Superman: DCAU Superman. I’d probably focus on him when he’s the traditional heroic Superman since that’s what I prefer.
I'm pretty sure by the end of this series we will have the revel you've been Riddlers all along and that was how you made the most accurate Riddler traits list to ever Riddler.
For me, my biggest gripe against this guy is that he plainly and simply doesn't FEEL like Riddler. Oh sure, he meets the basic criteria, and I can't say Paul Dano is bad in the role, but this Riddler doesn't LOOK like a Riddler, and he doesn't ACT like a Riddler. So far as I'm concerned, his motivations just don't work for the character - a Riddler who isn't either starved for attention or obsessed with outwitting his foes (or both) simply isn't the Riddler. He feels like he's borrowing some other villain's shtick.
That’s a better score than I thought.
This is a nice series of videos.
Thank you!
To be fair, he never accused Batman of cheating because Batman was totally behind him for the entire length of the movie.
Hopefully when we see this character again he can be even more Riddler-y. Him not having to cover his face up as his identity is out gives us a fine reason for a green suit with a green bowler hat.
Here's why I hate this Riddler: They turned the Prince of Puzzles, dripping with rizz and draped with a girl on each arm into an internet incel.
"Why did they turn him into the Zodiac Killer?" No, even that would have been interesting, a serial killer targeting young lovers in Gotham would have been a movie but in the Batman the Riddler has to remain a subplot. So what they did was turn him into an influencer troll, someone who was on Baman's side until he wasn't.
Agree or disagree: The Riddler is too vain to wear glasses, he'd either wear contacts or use Lasik.
Agree
The riddles were pretty clever, and I liked the el ratta alata thing. I think he purposefully mistranslated the "el" in place of "la" so Batman would get the clue (URL-ratta alata). But Riddler's killing scenes look very amateur serial killer, especially with the heavy breathing when he does the duct tape, almost like he's getting off on it. He's supposedly very high IQ, so this was not fitting at all, and just felt like the script was like, "yeah, just act like you're turned on by it, ya know, typical serial killer vibes." Feels way off the mark and shows a lack of understanding of the source material, and doesn't even go with this portrayal's motive for killing in the first place. In the movie cannon, he kills for a political agenda, not for the pleasure of killing. I just hope in future installments he evolves into a more intelligent portrayal where he's trying to one up Batman's intelligence, like the source material.
Yeah, I thought it was weird how he sat on top of him to. His tantrum at the end felt more like Riddler, I hope they focus more on that in the next movie he's in.
@@CaptainVile1852 I thought his tantrum at the end was pretty good and true to the character. Especially how he opens saying "Bruce Wayne". At first I thought he knew Batman's identity, but I had to watch a few more times and noticed Batman changes his facial expression when he realizes Riddler was implying that him and Batman were meant to take down Bruce Wayne as sort of partners. Riddler losing it after he realizes Batman doesn't approve of his brand of vengeance was a very true Batman moment.
You’ve said Once Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League comes out, you’ll unfortunately have to review its Riddler. While we wait for that, could I just say that most things done with the suicide squad tends to be crap? ESPECIALLY the 2016 film, I especially hate that one for introducing Punk Harley. While Jared Leto Joker never happened again AFAIK, the “Punk” version/design of Harley Quinn has reappeared a couple times, even as the protagonist of the 2019 “Harley Quinn” cartoon. Idk if it’s just me but I genuinely believe the design is awful and doesn’t suit the character at all.
You have just described what I have had trouble putting into words what modern Harley is like in media, the last time I've seen classic Harley I believe was Arkham Knight. She's felt like a different character since then.
She’s the joker’s assistant and girlfriend. She should look like it. That’s why she dresses as a jester
@@CaptainVile1852 I’m up for different interpretations and iterations of characters but Punk Harley has to go.
I’d say the Arkham series (specifically City) was where punk Harley started.
do you know about the official comic book written by paul dano? called The Riddler: Year One, it goes really in depth about his backstory as an orphan and how he had a normal job before becoming the riddler. i cant tell if youve read it or not based on this review
I own it but haven't gotten around to reading it yet. Even then, anything in it doesn't help this Riddler as even though they're the same version it's a different piece of media. That version will eventually get is own video.
Just out of curiosity, how come you'll be reviewing the Arkhamverse Riddler separately for each of his appearances in the games? If anything I think his progress through the games series as a character arc of him slowly losing more and more of his sanity. I really love that through each of his designs in every game you can see how his stability and mentality deteriorate. In Arkham Origins he doesn't entirely sound sure of himself. He looks quite fit and handsome like he actually takes care of himself but as the character progresses he becomes more and more unhinged. In Arkham Asylum he is more obsessed, in Arkham City he looks filled with dirt around his clothes, he has noticeable stubble, looks a lot skinnier and has gone to more extreme lengths to ensure Batman solves his riddles to the point where in Arkham Knight Batman is all he thinks about, so much so that he started building robots instead hiring more goons because they would only follow his commands. I love the taunts and the boasts and the way he just completely melts down when he's beaten because he can't even begin to comprehend that he's not the smartest person in existence.
Ya know what movie did a better live action Riddler than The Batman movie? The movie 12 rounds with John Cena. Not even joking. It has no connection with DC, but it nailed Riddler. Movie is about a criminal mastermind who puts John Cena(a detective) up against various tasks and challenges as revenge. It's a very fun watch, and the end twist is exactly something that Riddler would do.
1:07, yeah. I like this movie but I’m glad that I watched it on Netflix instead of in theatres (because of the length.)
You managed to add a b to conundrum at the end there.
Yeah, always check what you're editing.
When are you going to do the Edward Nygma riddler, he is the most accurate to the original riddler comics.
Do you mean the one from the Gotham show?
@@CaptainVile1852yeah I’m pretty sure
I bloody hate this riddler with a Passion.they turned into a zodiac killer copycat.but great video as always😁
I really hated this Riddler before watching the movie. After I just really hate his costume. I'm sure he be done better in the next movie.
@@CaptainVile1852 i just thought that they made him so boring and realistic.i dont love grounded batman takes so i thought he was not good.
@@MuriloAraújo-j2x I don't know why people try to make Batman grounded when half of his villains are so goofy their name alone changes the tone of a movie. I prefer the 1966 and brave and the bold shows since they lean in on the silliness of Batman and his villains.
@@CaptainVile1852 thats why i love the burton movies,they are so absurd but they are pretty dark at the same time.i love 1966 show as well,i hate when people say the show is bad because its actually super faithful to the silver age comics at the time.