0:00 Introduction 1:11 Should Christians Tithe? My Take... 2:00 What sparked this conversation for me... 2:50 Let's lay a foundation for NT giving 4:05 I don't want to make Pastor rich... 10:55 We are obligated to support the church & compensate leadership 11:15 How much should we give? 14:58 Don't work against Holy Spirit 17:59 What's your take?
Some good points. Today's version of tithing from earned wages carries no biblical precedent so it can't be seen as an act of biblical obedience but, yes, we should support our local church, other ministries and charities financially and/or otherwise but we're free to give, not bound to pay. The story of the widow's mite is sandwiched between scriptures that talk about the corruption of Pharisees. Jesus was chastising the Pharisees and used the poor woman presenting the widows mite as an example of how the poor were exploited in many cases.
You seem to have manipulated the scriptures. None of the scriptures you read dealt with local church bodies. Also, how can you say someone should be giving MORE than 10% when Paul instructed to give as according to one's own heart? That could be 1% or 100%.
Thanks for your comment. It is never my intention to manipulate Scripture. Firstly, the Scriptures I cited are dealing with local bodies. The Church of Corinth and The Church of Ephesus were local churches. Secondly, I'm stating that God may be asking for more than 10% because I've found people attempting to deny that they should financially support their churches because tithing is OT. My point is that NT giving is based on the generosity of the heart, and it is a way to prove our trust in God and show our gratitude, thereby potentially requiring us to give more than the standard 10%. It doesn't mean they are required to, but potentially, if that's what they believe their faith requires. Whatever is not of faith is a sin.
@@_heresmytake in your video you made bold claims saying that we SHOULD be giving to a local church more than 10%. Also, Corinth and Ephesus were cities. 1 Corinthians 9:7 says "Who ever serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard and does not eat the fruit of it? Who shepherds a flock and does not drink from the milk of the flock?" The context of Paul's letter to the CHURCH at Corinth was that he and others like Barnabas should be financially cared for whenever they are there ministering, as everyone else who ministers there. It's the same concept that Jesus spoke of when he told this to the disciples in Matthew 10:10-15: "10 Do not take a traveler’s bag for the road, or two tunics, or sandals, or a staff, for the worker is deserving of his provisions. 11 And into whatever town or village you enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and stay there until you depart. 12 And when you* enter into the house, greet it. 13 And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it, but if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And whoever does not welcome you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you* are going out of that house or that town. 15 Truly I say to you, it will be more bearable for the region of Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town!" What we have today in western culture (neighborhood and community churches where people get to choose where they attend according to the styles that most likely connect with) is not what I believe Jesus or Paul was envisioning. We first have to get past the manipulation that draws people to these "churches" today and find out if the church truly is ministering and serving those who attend or if it's just another guy who sounds like they know scripture and "starts" a new church, or dare I say business. Once you get past that, it must be determined if the "pastor" is actually pastoring or just giving people what they want to hear, what upsets the pastor at any given time about trivial things such as attendance, or if they are actually speaking through the Spirit and intimately involved in the ongoings of that church community the way Paul, Peter, Timothy and others were in scripture. My point is that it's not just black and white as "give to your local church" when that statement has so many false meanings and interpretations.
@@carltontriplett4947 I think I addressed why I made the statement about giving more than 10%. First-century churches were known by their cities. However, they were still considered local churches. In my video, I stated that if a parishioner expected foul play from their leadership, they could opt out of attending that church. Still, if that is their place of fellowship, they are responsible for supporting it financially.
0:00 Introduction
1:11 Should Christians Tithe? My Take...
2:00 What sparked this conversation for me...
2:50 Let's lay a foundation for NT giving
4:05 I don't want to make Pastor rich...
10:55 We are obligated to support the church & compensate leadership
11:15 How much should we give?
14:58 Don't work against Holy Spirit
17:59 What's your take?
One of the best argued points of view about this tricky subject that I’ve yet heard. Thank you.
Thank you for watching. Be blessed.
Some good points. Today's version of tithing from earned wages carries no biblical precedent so it can't be seen as an act of biblical obedience but, yes, we should support our local church, other ministries and charities financially and/or otherwise but we're free to give, not bound to pay. The story of the widow's mite is sandwiched between scriptures that talk about the corruption of Pharisees. Jesus was chastising the Pharisees and used the poor woman presenting the widows mite as an example of how the poor were exploited in many cases.
Mark, thanks for ‘Your Take’ albeit biblical! It is enlightening.
You seem to have manipulated the scriptures. None of the scriptures you read dealt with local church bodies.
Also, how can you say someone should be giving MORE than 10% when Paul instructed to give as according to one's own heart? That could be 1% or 100%.
Thanks for your comment. It is never my intention to manipulate Scripture. Firstly, the Scriptures I cited are dealing with local bodies. The Church of Corinth and The Church of Ephesus were local churches. Secondly, I'm stating that God may be asking for more than 10% because I've found people attempting to deny that they should financially support their churches because tithing is OT. My point is that NT giving is based on the generosity of the heart, and it is a way to prove our trust in God and show our gratitude, thereby potentially requiring us to give more than the standard 10%. It doesn't mean they are required to, but potentially, if that's what they believe their faith requires. Whatever is not of faith is a sin.
@@_heresmytake in your video you made bold claims saying that we SHOULD be giving to a local church more than 10%. Also, Corinth and Ephesus were cities. 1 Corinthians 9:7 says "Who ever serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard and does not eat the fruit of it? Who shepherds a flock and does not drink from the milk of the flock?" The context of Paul's letter to the CHURCH at Corinth was that he and others like Barnabas should be financially cared for whenever they are there ministering, as everyone else who ministers there. It's the same concept that Jesus spoke of when he told this to the disciples in Matthew 10:10-15: "10 Do not take a traveler’s bag for the road, or two tunics, or sandals, or a staff, for the worker is deserving of his provisions. 11 And into whatever town or village you enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and stay there until you depart. 12 And when you* enter into the house, greet it. 13 And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it, but if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And whoever does not welcome you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you* are going out of that house or that town. 15 Truly I say to you, it will be more bearable for the region of Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town!"
What we have today in western culture (neighborhood and community churches where people get to choose where they attend according to the styles that most likely connect with) is not what I believe Jesus or Paul was envisioning. We first have to get past the manipulation that draws people to these "churches" today and find out if the church truly is ministering and serving those who attend or if it's just another guy who sounds like they know scripture and "starts" a new church, or dare I say business. Once you get past that, it must be determined if the "pastor" is actually pastoring or just giving people what they want to hear, what upsets the pastor at any given time about trivial things such as attendance, or if they are actually speaking through the Spirit and intimately involved in the ongoings of that church community the way Paul, Peter, Timothy and others were in scripture.
My point is that it's not just black and white as "give to your local church" when that statement has so many false meanings and interpretations.
@@carltontriplett4947 I think I addressed why I made the statement about giving more than 10%. First-century churches were known by their cities. However, they were still considered local churches. In my video, I stated that if a parishioner expected foul play from their leadership, they could opt out of attending that church. Still, if that is their place of fellowship, they are responsible for supporting it financially.