McLaren Prioritising Norris Changes NOTHING

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  • @delwinmarrero992
    @delwinmarrero992 Місяць тому +111

    I don't understand why people prop Oscar up by shitting on Lando and vice-versa. They're both great drivers, and in my opinion, both will become world champions.

    • @eartharrow6772
      @eartharrow6772 Місяць тому +5

      Not at the same team though

    • @NotApplicableJB
      @NotApplicableJB  Місяць тому +22

      Completely agree, they have both been great this season and the blame for any downfall should be on the team more than any individual

    • @bl4xxun
      @bl4xxun Місяць тому +7

      @@eartharrow6772 why not at the same team? Both Lewis and Nico got a championship with Mercedes. If not this year, Lando has a chance next year, and if McLaren doesn't mess up 2026, Oscar has a chance then, because by then he will likely be in contention

    • @manthilawalgamage2344
      @manthilawalgamage2344 Місяць тому +8

      It's the attitude. All long ago, his act and attitude were cute and mischievous. It was all passed out, as little lando. Now when he is dominant he's act are seen as cocky and disrespectful. Throwing simply lovely after dutch gp and the cool down room scene with lewis has now made him look like ungrateful spoiled little lando 😅.
      I think the people's hate is getting to him he has started to be little down and not as upbeat. But if this is his Villan Era all the more entertainment bring it on

    • @midnightq69
      @midnightq69 Місяць тому +5

      ⁠@@manthilawalgamage2344this 100%. Most of us think he’s a world class driver, he’s just also a massive wanker, especially compared to Oscar. I’ve always disliked his personality, it’s funny seeing others catch on now. He wouldn’t be as disliked if he was just a chilled out, humble dude.

  • @invinciblegamer2010
    @invinciblegamer2010 Місяць тому +25

    Finally someone sensible.
    I Absolutely agree with you. if Mclaren and lando avoid making blunders, they wont have to worry about oscar vs lando.
    And we need more such videos on the internet that tell the truth with facts rather than spread hate for no good reason.

  • @michaelcobbin
    @michaelcobbin Місяць тому +18

    Maybe it’s me, but I had always assumed that the 2024 F1 season will be a learning experience for McLaren and their two drivers. It’s rare for a team to go from a midfield position the previous year to winning the Drivers’ Championship next year when neither of their drivers had won a race. McLaren is doing what Red Bull did in 2009. Both Lando and Oscar are becoming battle hardened, learning how to win races and how to beat their competitors.

  • @Arsenic71
    @Arsenic71 Місяць тому +20

    Norris has had preference in previous races anyway, he was always able to undercut Oscar. But I think it won't matter for this year because beating Max, even in that rocketship McLaren have built, looks unrealistic.
    But I understand McLarens notion of preferring Lando over Oscar this year, simply because of WDC points. And Oscar will play along. However, that isn't going to work for Oscar next year.

    • @NotApplicableJB
      @NotApplicableJB  Місяць тому +10

      It’s most definitely will not happen next year. Piastri has shown over the course of this season that he is not a number 2 and won’t be made to be a number 2

    • @Vislow
      @Vislow Місяць тому +5

      People throwing around the word "rocketship" as if Leclerc wasn't within a second of the McLaren for 30 something laps. Funny stuff.

    • @caydenph2741
      @caydenph2741 Місяць тому +1

      If Oscar doesn't fight early in the season and get ahead of Norris, it will HAVE to work for him.

    • @Arsenic71
      @Arsenic71 Місяць тому +3

      @@caydenph2741 Very true, but me personally I don't think that Lando will be able to achieve a big points advantage early in the season next year. But if he did, then I think Oscar will play along. The question is what constitutes a "big" points advantage. And literally every team would welcome Oscar with open arms should he decide he doesn't like McLarens approach.

  • @benc3214
    @benc3214 Місяць тому +2

    That’s a fair and balanced take on the situation, the British bias that Sky hand delivers Norris is almost sickening. It’s good to hear someone just deliver the facts, McLaren operationally have hurt both drivers. Even Oscars first win in Hungry was soured by them giving Norris a double undercut, that’s where all this started. Also the overtake from Oscar in Monza is being overstated Norris pulls that move if the situation is reversed. They should state whoever is in front at turn 1 keeps the position if that’s the way they want to play it. Personally I think they are racers so keep it clean and race.

  • @hotmintchoco
    @hotmintchoco Місяць тому +13

    le sigh. we shall see how they do in Singapore, one of the most difficult circuits.

    • @NotApplicableJB
      @NotApplicableJB  Місяць тому +6

      Singapore is BIG. Red Bull have an upgrade coming and we don't know where they will be again in Texas

  • @ClareKix
    @ClareKix Місяць тому +5

    This is an excellent analysis, James. Cracking job! I do agree that the McLaren team have caused the most significant loss of points this season, not Lando or Oscar. But it’s a culmination of multiple things, and this season will definitely provide a number of lessons learnt for both the team and drivers.

  • @brandonhollis9882
    @brandonhollis9882 Місяць тому +11

    With such a clickbait thumbnail I was prepared for this to be another in the tiresome genre of "tear apart Lando and glaze Oscar video", all of which are incredibly unfair, moronic, and pandering to social media trolls in an effort to drive clicks and engagement. However, I was pleasantly surprised and enjoyed your fair assessment of the team's shortcomings over the course of the season. I'm chalking this up to growing pains and experience gathering given this team hasn't been in this position for over 10 years. Thank you for a video that is way more intelligent and balanced than what all other F1 "content creators" are putting out on this topic and for not feeding into the cringeworthy social media attacks.

  • @sahith621
    @sahith621 Місяць тому +2

    Norris didn't gain places in opening lap expect for baku and people think he is a wc material lol

  • @sumerrana6805
    @sumerrana6805 Місяць тому +33

    the absolute disrespect Lando gets is dumbfounding
    never saw a nice guy get so much hate before

    • @NotApplicableJB
      @NotApplicableJB  Місяць тому +12

      I am absolutely not hating on Norris. If it came across like that then that's on me. I just wanted to point out that the teams operations and strategy has been the issue more than anything else and neither driver is to blame.

    • @lorenzogee
      @lorenzogee Місяць тому +5

      ​@@NotApplicableJB you did NOT come across as hating on Lando at all. Your analysis seemed fair (and very insightful) to me. Thanks for the quality content!

    • @OofEight
      @OofEight Місяць тому +3

      on the nice guy remark, i mean, you could say the same of most of the grid lol (zhou, kmag, sargeant, every rb driver besides verstappen, even stroll)

    • @Azlan_77u
      @Azlan_77u Місяць тому

      @@OofEight no stroll is genuinly unlikeable

    • @midnightq69
      @midnightq69 Місяць тому +2

      He’s not a nice guy, there’s your answer. Dudes insufferable.

  • @karrde593
    @karrde593 Місяць тому +4

    So the team needs to help lando because there’s no way he could have defended against leclerc and can only win when not crying because he’s being protected? Poor lando. He deserves better than that.

  • @Vislow
    @Vislow Місяць тому +5

    Only Lando Norris can get hate for not speeding under yellows and his team telling him to abort the lap

  • @AdavidPT
    @AdavidPT Місяць тому +15

    I agree with you James, the numbers don't lie. Bad strat call have costed Lando more, but I see that as an also, not as an or.
    For me both can be blamed for the eventual loss of the WDC.
    I don't count Hungary as denying Oscar his first win would be way to harsh.
    But for me the simple fact that what happened at Monza was allowed to happen in the first place, makes want to bang my head against the wall tbh -.-
    As for anyone commenting, no I am not dumping on Oscar, nor loving Lando, I am a McLaren fan-boy, and for me it is only logical for the team to backup their best placed driver. Particularly when we have won nothing in years.

    • @NotApplicableJB
      @NotApplicableJB  Місяць тому +7

      I agree. The blame shouldn't be on the drivers or that they were allowed to race but instead has to go onto the team as a whole IF they miss out on the title. There is still hope!

    • @louiscypher4186
      @louiscypher4186 Місяць тому +1

      When has a team ever resorted to team orders on lap 1?
      Because that's what you're asking when complaining about Monza you're asking there be no racing allowed at all not even when Lando fucks up.
      Not barrichello received such disrespect.

    • @AdavidPT
      @AdavidPT Місяць тому

      @@louiscypher4186 I am asking for team order on the pre-race team brief, lap 1 is already too late.
      Yes, they should not be allowed to fight and let Lando go ahead is exactly what I am saying.
      If the roles were reversed, I would say the same thing about Oscar.
      I completely reject your disrespect argument. My point is to maximize the slim chances for the best placed driver of the team to get the WDC.
      I know it is not pretty to watch, but it is what must be done if we a serious about getting the WDC.
      As for Barrichello, how many wins did he had to give up?

    • @louiscypher4186
      @louiscypher4186 Місяць тому

      @@AdavidPT So should he even be allowed to Qualify? Should he have parked up and waited for Lando to pass him last week?
      Also the whole reason i pointed out Barrichello is his infamous team orders lead to a ban that last 8 years.
      It is complete disrespect, its unsporting and if Mclaren go down this path for Oscar or Lando i hope the FIA steps in and strips all titles.

  • @78drea
    @78drea Місяць тому +7

    I do like your content normally. But I nearly didn't watch this. Hate the headline. Why do this? You also make a few fair points. But it is only a very superficially analyses. It will feed the people who already hate on Lando for everything, so well done I guess.
    Btw. Quali in Baku was not at all on Lando. It sounds as if you give him part of the blame here and I don't get it.
    After their banker lap he was ahead of Oscar and Max. It was just pure bad luck. You can only blame the team if you want to blame someone. The first run he was already the last car and then wasn't much time left. That wasn't managed too well. Oscar is out as well, if the yellow flag is a few seconds or so earlier, he was right ahead.
    It was the only time in month track evolution was so high they even needed a second lap. So that kind of makes it worse this happened. These things happen in racing unfortunately.
    All in all, they are all still learning as a team.
    Neither driver nor the team are the finished product yet.
    Oscar has as much races in a very good car than Lando and as much experience in high positions you could also say. With much less pressure too, because he can't really loose much. Mistakes don't get criticised yet and his very high peeks get him the best reputation and confidence.
    Those two drivers have very different careers and are very different personalities.
    I think Lando gets underestimated from many people. At the end we won't know for a while who will be the better driver at the end. Or even if one of him will be overall better than the other. I wouldn't be surprised if it is about even in the long run with fluctuations in between.
    As McLaren fan I only hope they will learn to manage them both well together. For me they seem to work well together. They have similar car preferences and I don't think it hurt Oscar at all to have Lando as a teammate for his development.
    I also think it hurt Lando to have Daniel as a teammate who couldn't challenge him. It hurt his progress. But now Oscar also makes him a better driver. It is a hurting progress as a fan of this team, but it is also a joy to share this journey after all this years.

    • @NotApplicableJB
      @NotApplicableJB  Місяць тому +3

      I completely agree with you. Both Lando and Oscar have had their ups and downs this season which is to be expected, but they’re both incredibly talented drivers with different career paths and pressures. I didn't mean for this to come across as me hating on Norris, I am laying the blame for Landos short comings on the team more than the drivers. It’s definitely unfair when people single out one driver for blame when racing is such a complex, team-dependent sport. Baku’s qualifying situation was pure bad luck, and while the team’s management of the session wasn’t perfect, I feel like their were still things that the could have done better.
      It’s been a season of growth for everyone involved. The team, the drivers-none of them are the finished product yet as you said, and that’s something we can all see. Lando and Oscar will bring out the best in each other, and their development as drivers benefits from that competition. But there has to also be a time and a place. I also agree that Lando probably suffered when he didn’t have a more challenging teammate in Daniel, but now that he does, it's driving his own progress forward just look at how much he improved over the course of last season alone.
      As a McLaren fan, I feel the same way-it's been a learning curve for everyone, but there’s so much potential. It’s not just about the drivers; it’s about the team learning to manage them both and continuing to grow together. Despite the difficulties, I love this team and both drivers, and I’m excited to see where this journey will take them. This video is not bashing on Lando or Oscar but pointing out that there are so many other factors at play outside of just "papaya rules" being implemented or not.

    • @78drea
      @78drea Місяць тому +1

      @@NotApplicableJB Thanks for your reply. Seems we both agree on things.
      I'd still hope for other thumbnails though. ;-) It gets the attention to the wrong people. But I also understand that attention helps you.
      I really enjoy your streams and videos so thanks for that.

    • @NotApplicableJB
      @NotApplicableJB  Місяць тому +4

      Thanks for being understanding mate. Thumbnails are always a difficult thing to put together and I may have missed the mark with this one. Thanks so much for your support!

    • @WH0oo...
      @WH0oo... Місяць тому

      @@NotApplicableJB Set a tone and be consistent, so people know you're really a cheeky bastard. You have a good voice, it's almost like an old style classic radio news reporter from 20s-50s. If you practice some inflections at the beginning or end of the sentence with cadence, you would be more unique in the F1 fans channels. The title is amusing. Other professional media channels used "Chaotic Finish at Baku", which was so wildly off-the mark. Keep up the good work.
      Video Suggestion: PER analysis
      I was just analyzing PER from the first 9 races in 2023/2024 to get his point difference and then compare it with RDB & MCL 2024. Get VER points sum from the last 7 races and the same from 2023, to get the % drop. Use this % on PER for the same range. You might find something similar as your analysis of the Papaya Rules impact. PER poor performance might be a lot less than people's perception, compared to the collapse of the car. Even if PER was on par to his 2023 numbers, the car's performance drop has a greater impact as it affects VER more. Yes, RDB would be ahead in the WCC, but MCL would still be seriously threatening.

  • @bl4xxun
    @bl4xxun Місяць тому +6

    I was totally expecting another "shitting on lando" video as they have been so popular lately. Surprised to see the opposite. Yes, exactly, if Lando loses out this year, it's not down to his lack of talent or Oscar, it's 100% down to the team. Oscar scoring more points in the last random X races says absolutely zero about Lando. Purely on pace, Oscar beat Lando twice this year, Monaco and Monza, Hungary is hard to tell, Lando had the superior pace and the pitstop mess didn't allow us to see what would have been. Which doesn't mean Oscar should be categorized as a number 2 either, the fact that he is so close to Lando is a great feat in only his second year. But I do expect better execution by the team for the rest of the season, what they're doing to Lando right now would break any drivers spirit. Altough I was happy to see a much more cheery Lando after Baku, knowing that given the circumstances, he delivered an impressive recovery drive. Had he gotten past Alex quicker, he most likely would have caught George and gotten that podium.

  • @HumanEatingDuck
    @HumanEatingDuck Місяць тому +1

    Honestly, as someone who desperately wants lando to win, I don’t feel lando can get it done, maybe if Hungary, Canada and monza went different for sure, but I don’t think lando had the consistency to close 60 points in 7 races, unless red bull keeps struggling worse than they have been

  • @WhiskeyBlues0
    @WhiskeyBlues0 Місяць тому +2

    It's gonna be hard, but Norris can still win the Championship. There are 7 races and 3 sprints, so he can still do it. Only problem are those 7 points in Hungary, where we could see a situation where Lando loses the championship by 3 points or something.. Leclerc and Piastri can also win the championship if one of them goes on a winning spree!

    • @WH0oo...
      @WH0oo... Місяць тому +1

      Tunnel vision. It was more then Hungary.

  • @Torero2901
    @Torero2901 Місяць тому +4

    The only one to blame for Lando not winning the 2024 WDC is Lando himself.
    Oscar is driving his races and has all the right to do so.
    Norris is not ready to be champion, it'll be another year.
    Huge missed opportunity for him, seeing the Red Bull falling off so hard.

  • @archieese9176
    @archieese9176 Місяць тому

    We need to leave lando alone for once. He doesn't need to be better than everyone. He is already better than many many racers in the world, started younger than many, has been more criticised than most.
    He needs a break now

  • @mutleyeng
    @mutleyeng Місяць тому

    lando asked for softs at silverstone to be fair. I don't think this obsession with finding blame is rational. The reality is Mclaren started the season being slow, they have got better and better as the season has progressed. People like to make out that the car is dominant, but it simply isn't. It is usually competitive with whoever else has a good car at any given event. Have mclaren optimised their results? no, of course not - nor has anyone else,
    I mean, have you Monday morning quarterbacks ever thought there are reasons why decisions are made that you may not be privy to the full context? slagging them off because they didn't make the perfect call when they had 2 seconds to make it? It was more down to very poor race management from the fia. They shouldn't have been placed in that situation in the first place.
    I don't know why mclaren brought oscar and lando in during Q1, and nor do you - they may have decided they needed to adjust downforce, examine the tyres, cool them down.
    Grow up f1 fandom - enjoy having competitive races for the first time in an age - heaven knows, maybe even be a little grateful to mclaren and ferrari for the effort they have put in to get up the front ... toxic internet f1 fans don't deserve the show they are being given!

  • @brianjarred340
    @brianjarred340 Місяць тому +3

    Yep , Norris isn’t WC material where as Oscar IS

  • @fplfieco22
    @fplfieco22 Місяць тому

    Bit clickbaity but fair play

  • @fplfieco22
    @fplfieco22 Місяць тому +1

    It's 21+ 10 not 21 or 10

    • @NotApplicableJB
      @NotApplicableJB  Місяць тому +1

      That would be the dream - I was more trying to make the point that everyone is talking way more about the 10 and seems to be ignoring the 21

  • @Thomas-zs5wt
    @Thomas-zs5wt Місяць тому

    another day of people clowning us

  • @matthewmandregan1467
    @matthewmandregan1467 Місяць тому +3

    I don’t think Norris is better enough than Piastri to deserve preferential treatment. Only reason he’s number one driver is because he’s British and they’re a British team.

    • @louiscypher4186
      @louiscypher4186 Місяць тому +2

      He's #1 because he's more experienced and performed better across their 2 years together.
      That said, if Norris chokes this WDC away I'd certainly promote Oscar to #1 next year.

    • @midnightq69
      @midnightq69 Місяць тому

      @@matthewmandregan1467 nah it’s cos he’s been there longer, and he did have the measure of Oscar the first half of the year. I’m firmly against team orders for all teams though.

  • @sailingcitrinesunset4065
    @sailingcitrinesunset4065 Місяць тому

    McLaren should prioritise Oscar!

    • @archieese9176
      @archieese9176 Місяць тому +1

      Why? Only being the better driver can't be a reason at the moment

  • @Thu1111
    @Thu1111 Місяць тому +1

    Lando is a shit driver. He is never gonna dethrone Max

    • @FormulaAnything
      @FormulaAnything Місяць тому

      Look I hate Lando as well but calling him shit is just completely wrong. Yes,he made mistakes throughout this season,but he's still is a top-class driver in Formula 1.
      Also,if I called your favourite driver shit,what would you do? Cry?