Definitely agree - thermal batteries are one of my favourite clean energy technologies at the moment. Our brains must be in sync as I have a video with Antora coming out in the next few days.
It would be good in conjunction with heat differential electricity generation, as under the house/ground is cooler than above ground, making it possible to make a whole house into a generator, especially with conductive bricks. BUT, if u were to add a heat battery to the system, then the difference between hot and cold will be greater, making more electricity.
Great video, I saw a short showing how a red hot penny hanging over acetone stays red hot much longer than it should! I don't know if it would be contaminated or lose potency but maybe the vapour could be condensed back into a reusable liquid?
I was JUST about to say I watched a Ziroth video about Antora, and their TPV Cell which converts heat directly to power with a 40% efficiency. I've emailed Antora last night, asking if they thought a solar collector for the "too much sun" problem I described earlier would be compatible with the TPV cell, and went ahead and asked how I could get my hands on one of these. (I saw nowhere on their website that they actually sell this thing.) If they answer me I'll be thrilled to share what they say with you. :)
Your alternative energy videos are very entertaining, especially when you build and demonstrate smaller working replicas! That said, would love to see a deep dive video on plasma drilling technology, given the new technology is not only going to revolutionize well & tunnel drilling,it’s also on the verge of making geothermal energy available in non geothermal areas. All the best and looking forward to your next video!
There is another thing called a thermal battery. They are used in aerospace and defense systems. They can be inert for many years, then fired off, which creates a chemical reaction and generates electricity. They are single use. thanks!
Pretty amazing stuff - but nowt compared to the heat generated in some women's bedrooms, My friend had her CH set at 77 deg C but blamed her duvet. I kept turning her rads down or off coz I was scared my belt buckle would melt and my trousers would fall down and sadly we don't have that kind of relationship - I just have to keep bailing her out every time her gas goes off. She complains of sweating buckets in the night but nothing will persuade her to read how her thermostat works. I'm just glad she is one of the few females I know who can now change a fuse (digging a hole for myself here lol!)
Some comedian came up with one of these executive charts describing women. He called it the hot-crazy chart. The hotter the woman the crazier she is. According to this chart there is a sweet spot which is between the two extremes marked marriage.
I like it! Many a true word said in jest. However, I'm only digging myself deeper. I'm sure there's scope for making an equivalent chart for blokes - especially the blokes hot women go for - They do seem to like cave men but like to confuse us when the occasional nerd gets lucky. Maybe they just need a good optician because I've no idea what they see. @@Andrew-rc3vh
I saw your video on sand batteries. I built a 100kg highly insulated sand battery heat exchanger. On the outside it is ambient temp, inside peaks at 400°c. It preheats my water. I waiting to see the cost reduction over the billing period. I am pretty sure based on my measurements it would have been more effective to use the power to make a water battery.
This reminds me of something I read many years ago about a gas water heater that had mantles over the burners and solar cells around the burners. It heated the water and generated power.
The idea is the first step The lab test, the second Making it feasible at an industrial scale, the third And make it economally viable, the fourth It just shows how much it takes
The example you're using isn't Antora, it's Fourth Power, which used to be called thermal battery corp. Antora don't use liquid tin as the transfer fluid, but otherwise they're similar.
There is very big un-tapped industry in the form of heat re-usability. Every where heat is used and needed for just about everything but almost none of it is recaptured. We try to isolate waste but a system where you can recapture the heat from ambient air/water/ground in a portable module. Simplest and most economical solution to our climate challenge will be to simply extract the excess heat from the oceans and air and re-introduce it in our civilization which will reduce the need of carbon burned. The heat is out there. Extract it and use it again.
What about using water as power storage?simply pump it up hill during daytime with solar power, and once sun is down use water turbine to generate power when you need it
Since a lot of energy is used for heating and cooling, it makes sense to store heat and cold to take advantage of times when the grid has over-capacity and re-use that thermal energy when electricity is at a premium. What we need to encourage this is dynamic energy pricing, where the electricity price can follow the state of the grid in real time. If consumers saw huge variations in the electricity price over the course of a day that would completely change the economics and encourage the development of smart appliances which would store energy and adapt to using low-cost electricity from times when the grid has over-capacity. It makes no sense to pay householders to feed PV electricity into the grid on sunny lunchtimes.
Thank you sir for all the very interesting info you provide. Have you ever made an inductive MW/AM loop? I made one recently from a 100w solar panel box tuned low on the band to get a very strong daytime signal from a New Orleans station 180 miles away. I made one on a 16 inch pizza box with 17 or 18 turns using a 450pf old style tuning capacitor. I got it perfect on the first try because it tunes our entire American AM band from 520 to 1700 khz. I used to just wrap about 80 to 100 turns of magnet wire on a cardboard paper towel tube strengthened with spray enamel and connect each wire end to 300-400 feet of insulated wire stretched out over the bushes and lower tree limbs in opposite directions. During the day I went from getting 3 stations to around 50 clear signals up to 300 miles in every direction.
Love to get just 1 spent pellet from nuke plant, cement it insde a big block in the back yard with a coil of pipe running thru it, and wha la. Heat for 500 years! Now, where can a person get that spent pellet?
We saw that in Harrisburg, Tschernobyl, Fukushima and diverse leaks in plants dealing with refurbishing of nuclear power elements (of them pouring radioactive stuff directly into the irish sea). There is also no solution for nuclear waste. But maybe we will experience what will happen to us if a nuclear power plant is used as military target in the near future.
Been 💬 by that maybe we are doing wind wrong. I like rhe udea of using wind to drive a friction heater and then storing that that into a thermal battery to even out the peaks and troughs.
Yes the batteries must come down in price. The key is the cathode material. To remove the rare commodities. Also we have to protect the ceramic proton exchange membrane from dendrite formation. Tall order, but I think it’s doable!
Rob, if the technology is well known, I'm wondering how it can be the best invention of 2023. I must have missed something, I was watching from my car 😮
That's crazy! To think that pumping molten metal at 1000 degrees is at the lower end of that pump's safe operating area. While theoretical physics seems to be in a bit of a pickle, and the peer-review process is being tested by AI, material science is going great guns. You might get the odd thing like LK99 that crop up now and again and create a stink, but generally speaking it seems as though all sorts of boundaries, in many industries, have been pushed back over the last few years thanks to new materials.
Use of molten metal at 2000 degrees pumped up by ceramic gear pump is an absolute pipe dream beyond a lab curiosity. It definite not going to last long and ceramics are definitely not the best of material to make gears of even at room temperature. Gears must have a bit of "give" under load but ceramic is too brittle and has virtually zero viscosity. I can't even think of the cost of maintenance of this system or what to do if God forbid something goes wrong (Chernobyl comes to mind). The solution with steam on the other hand looks feasible to me, I can't think of the similar problem with this design. We shall see what eventuates.
Excellent video Mr. Robert! I read do like the idea of sand heat battery for keeping the car's windshield ice free. Good aluminum honeycomb foil blinds in the inside and a hot container of sand should provide some results. Anyway, not related... Have you ever heard of reconditioning car, Li-ion, NiCad or any other type of battery using a welder? Apparently it can revive a completely dead battery, not just judging by voltage but by capacity as well. Cheers!
you don't pay for storage - you pay for a combination of storge and direct generation - they only store it when they have to - plus that is the capex cost not the running cost
Definitely agree - thermal batteries are one of my favourite clean energy technologies at the moment. Our brains must be in sync as I have a video with Antora coming out in the next few days.
It would be good in conjunction with heat differential electricity generation, as under the house/ground is cooler than above ground, making it possible to make a whole house into a generator, especially with conductive bricks.
BUT, if u were to add a heat battery to the system, then the difference between hot and cold will be greater, making more electricity.
very cool mate - i will keep my eyes open for it - awesome vids you do by the way - cheers
Less Waste More Haste !
Bless Up
This roundup of the best inventions of last year is fantastic! Thanks!
cheers mate
Great video, I saw a short showing how a red hot penny hanging over acetone stays red hot much longer than it should! I don't know if it would be contaminated or lose potency but maybe the vapour could be condensed back into a reusable liquid?
How little we know, the laws we thought we understood. Great comment. Exciting. We have more to discover. Emergent behaviors are nearly unpredictable.
I was JUST about to say I watched a Ziroth video about Antora, and their TPV Cell which converts heat directly to power with a 40% efficiency. I've emailed Antora last night, asking if they thought a solar collector for the "too much sun" problem I described earlier would be compatible with the TPV cell, and went ahead and asked how I could get my hands on one of these. (I saw nowhere on their website that they actually sell this thing.) If they answer me I'll be thrilled to share what they say with you. :)
Your alternative energy videos are very entertaining, especially when you build and demonstrate smaller working replicas! That said, would love to see a deep dive video on plasma drilling technology, given the new technology is not only going to revolutionize well & tunnel drilling,it’s also on the verge of making geothermal energy available in non geothermal areas. All the best and looking forward to your next video!
Dude you are awesome!!
I LOVE your channel, I wish I had a million dollars to give you!!
lol - cheers mate the thought is well recieved
There is another thing called a thermal battery. They are used in aerospace and defense systems. They can be inert for many years, then fired off, which creates a chemical reaction and generates electricity. They are single use. thanks!
A glowing video thank you.
You are so welcome mate
Pretty amazing stuff - but nowt compared to the heat generated in some women's bedrooms, My friend had her CH set at 77 deg C but blamed her duvet. I kept turning her rads down or off coz I was scared my belt buckle would melt and my trousers would fall down and sadly we don't have that kind of relationship - I just have to keep bailing her out every time her gas goes off. She complains of sweating buckets in the night but nothing will persuade her to read how her thermostat works. I'm just glad she is one of the few females I know who can now change a fuse (digging a hole for myself here lol!)
lol
Some comedian came up with one of these executive charts describing women. He called it the hot-crazy chart. The hotter the woman the crazier she is. According to this chart there is a sweet spot which is between the two extremes marked marriage.
I like it! Many a true word said in jest. However, I'm only digging myself deeper. I'm sure there's scope for making an equivalent chart for blokes - especially the blokes hot women go for - They do seem to like cave men but like to confuse us when the occasional nerd gets lucky. Maybe they just need a good optician because I've no idea what they see. @@Andrew-rc3vh
I saw your video on sand batteries. I built a 100kg highly insulated sand battery heat exchanger. On the outside it is ambient temp, inside peaks at 400°c. It preheats my water. I waiting to see the cost reduction over the billing period. I am pretty sure based on my measurements it would have been more effective to use the power to make a water battery.
This reminds me of something I read many years ago about a gas water heater that had mantles over the burners and solar cells around the burners. It heated the water and generated power.
Most of the ideas for energy production were covered in the pages of the 1960's popular science magazines I looked thru as a kid....
The idea is the first step
The lab test, the second
Making it feasible at an industrial scale, the third
And make it economally viable, the fourth
It just shows how much it takes
The example you're using isn't Antora, it's Fourth Power, which used to be called thermal battery corp. Antora don't use liquid tin as the transfer fluid, but otherwise they're similar.
Feolite conducts electricity you can use the storage material as it's own heating wire. Its basically just iron ore (rust)
Go Solar Thermal Go.
Good Stuff RMS.
Well Done Time.
cheers mate
Good stuff. Now how can a do-it-yourself-er on a small acreage heat his house with this? Parabolic reflectors?
Now all we need is large thermal collector and a means to condense that heat... OH WAIT!
There is very big un-tapped industry in the form of heat re-usability.
Every where heat is used and needed for just about everything but almost none of it is recaptured.
We try to isolate waste but a system where you can recapture the heat from ambient air/water/ground in a portable module.
Simplest and most economical solution to our climate challenge will be to simply extract the excess heat from the oceans and air and re-introduce it in our civilization which will reduce the need of carbon burned.
The heat is out there.
Extract it and use it again.
Love it! ❤ TY!
cheers mate
What about using water as power storage?simply pump it up hill during daytime with solar power, and once sun is down use water turbine to generate power when you need it
Since a lot of energy is used for heating and cooling, it makes sense to store heat and cold to take advantage of times when the grid has over-capacity and re-use that thermal energy when electricity is at a premium. What we need to encourage this is dynamic energy pricing, where the electricity price can follow the state of the grid in real time. If consumers saw huge variations in the electricity price over the course of a day that would completely change the economics and encourage the development of smart appliances which would store energy and adapt to using low-cost electricity from times when the grid has over-capacity. It makes no sense to pay householders to feed PV electricity into the grid on sunny lunchtimes.
Is it possible to combine a thermal and a photovoltaic system?🤔
Thank you sir for all the very interesting info you provide. Have you ever made an inductive MW/AM loop? I made one recently from a 100w solar panel box tuned low on the band to get a very strong daytime signal from a New Orleans station 180 miles away. I made one on a 16 inch pizza box with 17 or 18 turns using a 450pf old style tuning capacitor. I got it perfect on the first try because it tunes our entire American AM band from 520 to 1700 khz. I used to just wrap about 80 to 100 turns of magnet wire on a cardboard paper towel tube strengthened with spray enamel and connect each wire end to 300-400 feet of insulated wire stretched out over the bushes and lower tree limbs in opposite directions. During the day I went from getting 3 stations to around 50 clear signals up to 300 miles in every direction.
i hav done a bit on radio and coils and near field transmission - but awesome results you got mate
Price scale? 50 usd / kWh or 50 usd / MWh ?
Mwh
Nuclear is a thermal battery that keeps on giving. This is a great, ingenious use of simple technology.
Love to get just 1 spent pellet from nuke plant, cement it insde a big block in the back yard with a coil of pipe running thru it, and wha la. Heat for 500 years! Now, where can a person get that spent pellet?
We saw that in Harrisburg, Tschernobyl, Fukushima and diverse leaks in plants dealing with refurbishing of nuclear power elements (of them pouring radioactive stuff directly into the irish sea). There is also no solution for nuclear waste. But maybe we will experience what will happen to us if a nuclear power plant is used as military target in the near future.
for sure mate
Been 💬 by that maybe we are doing wind wrong. I like rhe udea of using wind to drive a friction heater and then storing that that into a thermal battery to even out the peaks and troughs.
i like that - the dutch did something similar i believe
I wonder how much energy you could get using thermocouples with heat batteries?
the conversion is very low mate - around 3-5% i believe
Great video! Super clear and informative description of the process.
cheers mate
what about some sort of hybrid foundry/generator in an effort to reduce waste?
nice one
WOW!
Yes the batteries must come down in price. The key is the cathode material. To remove the rare commodities. Also we have to protect the ceramic proton exchange membrane from dendrite formation. Tall order, but I think it’s doable!
i agree
Rob, if the technology is well known, I'm wondering how it can be the best invention of 2023. I must have missed something, I was watching from my car 😮
i think they chose the date based on what happened that year tbh
That's crazy! To think that pumping molten metal at 1000 degrees is at the lower end of that pump's safe operating area. While theoretical physics seems to be in a bit of a pickle, and the peer-review process is being tested by AI, material science is going great guns. You might get the odd thing like LK99 that crop up now and again and create a stink, but generally speaking it seems as though all sorts of boundaries, in many industries, have been pushed back over the last few years thanks to new materials.
i love material science
Thank you :)
You're welcome!
❤
cheers!
Thank you for the video
Thanks for watching!
So convert coal smokestacks to carbon bricks?
yep!
A bunch of Electric heaters to heat carbon blocks brilliant😂
I was waiting for the Tinker Cad version but it never came. 😢
not sure that would work well with a thermal battery mate
@@ThinkingandTinkering Ha. I'm certain it wouldn't!! Keep up the good work!
@@MrMassivefavour LOL good one.😂
Use of molten metal at 2000 degrees pumped up by ceramic gear pump is an absolute pipe dream beyond a lab curiosity. It definite not going to last long and ceramics are definitely not the best of material to make gears of even at room temperature. Gears must have a bit of "give" under load but ceramic is too brittle and has virtually zero viscosity. I can't even think of the cost of maintenance of this system or what to do if God forbid something goes wrong (Chernobyl comes to mind).
The solution with steam on the other hand looks feasible to me, I can't think of the similar problem with this design. We shall see what eventuates.
I dont know why they don't just heat air with these things and feed it to a flame gulper engine.
You can’t find thermovoltaic cells for sale anywhere 😅
bummer i want one!
Hi Rob, interesting stuff when you consider grand architecture of the past seemed to utilise this by building more than 5 bricks thick.
Excellent video Mr. Robert! I read do like the idea of sand heat battery for keeping the car's windshield ice free. Good aluminum honeycomb foil blinds in the inside and a hot container of sand should provide
some results.
Anyway, not related... Have you ever heard of reconditioning car, Li-ion, NiCad or any other type of battery using a welder? Apparently it can revive a completely dead battery, not just judging by voltage but by capacity as well.
Cheers!
$50/kWh!? I pay $0.10/kWh supplied by my electric company.
you don't pay for storage - you pay for a combination of storge and direct generation - they only store it when they have to - plus that is the capex cost not the running cost
Do you realise how often you say "which is amazing when you think about it"? Sometimes you change 'amazing' to something else such as 'incredible'.
Do you have email? Is there any way (other than comments) to send you a message?
"Fahrenheit"!? Oh no, Robs gone to the dark side 🌡️
lol