Yes I paused to talk about the weird age gap. Eddie is a freshman in college who just met a Junior in high school and decided to try and take her on a date to hurt his 16 year old friend. That is predatory, and weird. I literally said if they met in high school it’s way less of an issue. Let me ask you this if your 16 year old daughter came home with a random 18 year old college freshman while she was in high school how would you feel about that. This genuinely concerning there is a level of power imbalance in this situation that some of yall not picking up on is concerning.
Yeah this was always something weird, with ultimate eddie especially since that's what this eddie is based on. It's just a very strange writing choice for a lot of older dudes to seemingly write in stories where legal adults try to hook up with underage girls. Like obviously for many, it's showing how much if a scumbag that character is. But still it's not always necessary and sometimes gives off the opposite vibe as if it's not meant to be weird whether that's intentional or not.
Outside of states with statutory rape laws the two year age difference between and 18 year old and a 16 year is not something most people are actually going to question. It's only two years. And like somebody else pointed out it's no different than high school senior and a high school sophmore. I think you're focus on the age difference actually detracts from the ACTUAL problem which is his motivation for asking her out.
What are you talking about here? It is a 2years age difference, which doesn't matter on the level of mental development at the ages of 16 (F) and 18 (M). The only power imbalance there is the one that always exist between any male/female relationship were the male has the advantage on the physical and mental sense while the female has the advantage on the societal and legal sense.
Well it is kinda weird it’s also insanely common, 16 and 18 is not the worst age gap, it’s about the same as a high school senior dating a high school sophomore which is still kinda weird. Buts it’s not the worst, if it was written to where Eddie was 20 and part way through college it would be way more fucked up. But I see stuff like this happen a lot it. Was was worse was I know a lot of people (mostly women) who were dating men in their 20s like average age 24 at 17 THATS really predatory yet none of them really cared
I like the concept of The Symbiote not making Peter Angrier on purpose but Peter goes on such a power trip it gets to his head and he feels like he is better than everyone else
Yeah I really prefer the idea that versus just being generically evil. Sure, the symbiote has an animallike instinct while not actually being 'dumb', but its just their hosts crashout and the symbiote is just responding to that to "help it out". If you go around punching guys it'll help you punch guys harder, etc.
@SivaExperiment It's a difference in the power dynamic. Eddie is not equal to MJ. MJ lives at home with her parents, Eddie lives in a college dorm. MJ presumably cannot drive, Eddie can. Eddie had a job and money, MJ was a student in HS. The gap may be small, yes, but going after someone who has less societal power than you that falls in that gap, even if in this case it was to get back at Peter, is still weird.
Especially when you compare him to Betty who's explicitly rejected Peter asking her to a highschool dance and Black Cat who had no clue Spidey ia actually a teenager and in the og Ultimate continuity, vomits on Pete when she realizes he's underage.
@@varaffxiv2219and yet I really can’t get into that guy’s head because was it the lack of honesty or was it about the parents or was it a weird sense of entitlement to why he hated Peter?
@varaffxiv2219 cry about it. This is literally the "power dynamic" that most women aim for. The main difference between an 18 women and a 45 women is interest not maturity lol
A trope that was first used in this show & it would later be implemented on future adaptations and I really love is the fact that the Symbiote does NOT have a predetermined VA, rather it takes the same voice of the host they is currently residing
Honestly I'm glad they gave more time for Peter wearing the suit than in the 90's show. You see how it develops, causes issues with his relationships and himself. The symbiote actually brings Peter's negative traits like being absent minded, neglectful and having frustration issues to the surface. Eddie is like his ultimate counterpart. I do like how they actually develop the relationship between the two in this show compared to the Ultimate comics and Spider-Man 3. Eddie tries to be there for Peter and actually forgives him for being a jerk. However, Peter does keep pushing the boundaries unintentionally and causes Eddie to become negative himself. He got with MJ to hurt Peter because Peter unintentionally hurt Gwen during the dance. He got angry at Peter due to being there when the symbiote was taken and just taking a picture. His inner resentment of Peter starts to make Eddie into a horrible person himself which becomes amplified when he becomes Venom. Honestly a lot of people put down Topher Grace Eddie when he actually contrasts with Peter a lot in Spider-Man 3. Topher is a nice guy who is really terrible beneath the surface and can't no for an answer. He tries to ruin Spider-Man's reputation with a lie and fake evidence. He truly taps into his darkness when he becomes Venom. Honestly Venom being a stalker and creep were always there but people didn't see those issues of him. They know he fought Spider-Man and became a hero later.
Tbh, the age gap thing with Eddie and MJ wasn't that wierd. 18 and 16 are both kids imo. A 2 year age gap between teens doesn't seem so harmful. Now if he was like 20+ (or even 19), then it'd be concerning. When I was in high school, I felt like college students (even freshmen) were too old for high-schoolers. Now that I'm in my 30s having worked with teens & college students at my various jobs... I don't see much of a difference in maturity between the 16-18 year olds.
I miss that honestly. While Spectacular balanced this well, almost every other adaption since TAS has done irreversible damage to the general public’s perception of what the symbiote is. It’s like a bad game of telephone in which every new adaption writer copies the preceding adaptions instead of the source material itself, hence how we get a very unnuanced symbiote in the recent SM2 game. The fact we have NEVER had a neutral symbiote story since the comics themselves is kind of baffling honestly. I suppose it’s just an easy way to rush to Venom, but damn. Let this story breathe for once!
They retconned again, the reason the suit was made was the same reason peter and black cat broke up... peter's fear of relationship 😅yup the suit feared that peter didn't want him the same way and forced a bond
When I watched this as a kid, and later as a teenager it was a very good story. But when a got addicted to cocaine and the same feeling of invincibility, rush, euphoria i experience it myself in a way, and it separated me from my family, it almost destroy me. It hit me differently. That battle at the center of the mind of having the substance on one hand calling for you, and on the other thinking about your familly, your friends, and in my case God himself was very real to me.
I think Eddie Brock would’ve made a great Agent Venom. He shows his heroism when he’s willing to put his life on the line in order to help Dr. Connors and Electro
Nah I wanted Flash Thompson to be Agent Venom like in the comics. He was having a redemption arc in the show. He got Peter to realize that his friends were just trying to help him. Turned in the trophy for cheating. I wish he was Agent Venom.
Yes if you think that Peter should have told him the truth and he wouldn’t become Venom because for the PS4 version I believe that it was a weird sense of entitlement to a girl and that is why Harry turned MJ into Scream to be a Bride of Frankenstein of sorts
@@SeyeAwonuga You know what you’re right. Flash Thompson would’ve been way better. After gaining the symbiotic Eddie completely lost it. He went as far as kidnapping his child hold friend, Gwen Stacy. Having him turn into Agent venom after that would be a stretch.
@@srstriker6420for the first part of that comment: wtf are you even trying to say? The grammar and sentence structure is weird and I can't decipher it. For the second part: it was not a " weird sense of entitlement to a girl." It nabbed MJ for the same reason it was nabbing everyone else... which is something the game can't quite decide. Either Harry has agency and it's nabbing people to "heal the world" ...whatever that means in this context. Or Harry has no agency and it's nabbing people because of a weird sense of entitlement to Peter and it's trying to pressure Peter into taking it back. And the game can't quite decide which it wants to do.
@@anidiot192because like I said about the first part is that I was really confused on why Eddie hated Peter in this series which I could never get in his head because was it the lack of honesty or was it about the parents and that why he wants to 💩 on his life and for the PS4 version of why Harry is Venom instead of Eddie Brock is possibly because they are so much alike if you really think about it.
As someone whose just finished binging Cates and Ewing's Venom Run, I do appreciate stories about the symbiote itself and that relationship. But these stories worked really well for the context of a spider-man show.
Spiderman 2 Movie Was Goated, because it really showed what Vemon can really do to Peter's Personality. From a Good person to a Jerk towards his friends.
I personally don't see a 18 yr old as a "grown man". Kid literally jist got out of high school. A 2 year age gap for that age isn't weird or out of the normal. Literally a few months ago, he would still be in high school
The symbiote in spectacular spider-man also communicated more at least within the host's mind, even more so than the 94 version. Allowing us to see it's manipulations on the inside as well as the outside.
This whole thing about the black suit being a metaphor for addiction reminds me of that static shock episode where Richie got his powers through the old man named Ragtag. Everytime I heard Richie say “I need some more” all I heard was I need some more dope. Also the episode titled “winning edge” of Batman beyond with the slappers
I will always take a stance that even if the fully evil and corrupting symbiote works for some adaptations it should never be the sole interpretation of the symbiote. Honestly that suit can be just as much it's own character with how much development it's gotten, and I don't mean in how the venom movies did it where the symbiote is a huge goofball like eddie was in his antihero days. Some good drama and character moments for it in a few comic stories over the years especially in recent times.
I disagree that Peter was going against his fundamental characteristics. All of the decisions that the symbiote made for him were things that he considered doing on his own. He just had stronger morals to fight against those instincts. That’s why Eddie succumbed so easily. He was already evil by that point.
The reason the Symbiote that became Venom became crazy is because previous Hosts drove it crazy. Hell, The person who Told Peter to try the Machine it was in was Deadpool who wore it for like a few seconds before the Symbiote recoiled from his Psychosis
To me the 2 year age gap between Eddie and MJ isn’t really a problem. I never watched the show so if Eddie acts odd / slimy then I can see where the concern comes from.
My favorite part about Spectacular Spider-Man’s interpretation of the Symbiote suit is the fact that it starts off as an homage to the Sam Raimi live action black suit with the white webs, but then as the bond between the Symbiote and Peter becomes stronger over time, it loses the webs and stops being a suit, more like a second skin. This was a really creative and clever way to have both the Raimi black suit and the classic black suit from the comics, really solid compromise.
the deadpool thing was retconned to hell, no character ever acts like deadpool was the host of the venom symbiote at any point, in fact they only ever bring up deadpool being the host of hybrid
They retconned again, the reason the suit was made was the same reason peter and black cat broke up... peter's fear of relationship 😅yup the suit feared that peter didn't want him the same way and forced a bond
I see that the thread you’re going for but for me, I always hate the fact that Peter wants you learn us at the Symbiot is alive. Just try to get rid of. It could always felt like I’m a ray of love with great power comes great responsibility. The same is not inherently evil it’s got messed up morals but it’s not evil and we see this in the lethal protector stage of Eddie and venom is that the Symbian can be rehabilitated but every time Peter interacts with this it’s always to try and trick it off of Eddie or in someway use it, even though we see the Symbiot absolutely jump at the chance to bond with Peter, but Peter always abuses the trust. That’s why when I get my own variant Parker with the Symbian I had them keep the Symbian and basically teach it because just getting rid of it that’s not being very responsible.
16 and 18 is not that big of a deal. It's only two years. Why are people so apprehensive about this nowadays? Also, being 18 doesn't magically mean you're a fully mature adult. The brain, for males in this case, doesn't fully develop until the age of 25. Is really that hard to believe that Eddie still has some tendencies of a teenager?
You know I never really understand why Eddie hated Peter in this series because it was confusing where it was originally all about a miscalculation on a report about the Sin Eater which that was definitely out of Spider-Man’s hands because he should have gone after Daredevil as he said that the real Sin Eater was a cop, because was it the lack of honesty or was it about the parents or was it a weird sense of entitlement as I’m confused about that, I guess reason why Harry is Venom in the PS4 game is that he and Eddie are very much alike and similar.
Isn't Eddie 18 since he's around 2 years older than Peter in this continuity? A 2 year difference Isn't that serious That doesn’t make what Eddie did here *not ok,* though
I have no constructive criticism, I thought your video was earnest and well made. I never watched this show despite my love for Spider-Man. Can't wait to see what you do next.
20:47 Pause on Eddie Brock If he's 18 and she's 16 then he maintains a difference of 2 years so I don't see it as a problem you're clinging too much. Besides, the fact that he's 18 makes him a young adult therefore he can't be called a total adult, so he won't be that much different from a 16 year old at all
@@RaidenKozuki-x8t Ehh... it's so easy to be ignorant and just say “It's illegal bruh, end of story.” instead of understanding exactly what's inside the person
@@mosthatedty9585idk callin a 18 year old an adult feels like a loose term for the word. I mean 18 and 16 these two were literally in highschool at the same time period the 18 year old just graduated first. I think it’s a lil weird bc bro she had like 2 years before she graduates but ion know if it’s predatory it can be but I wouldn’t say it is automatically.
God, I would’ve loved to see this version of flash Thompson become agent venom and see what transformation he goes through as an adult. Going to be honest, I’m not a big fan of the agent when we got in that other Spider-Man show
@mosthatedty9585 it doesn't matter how you paint it because it's not a legitimate issue or drastic age gap, this sounds like something ppl on Twitter would rage about because nuance doesn't exist. This happens pretty often ask real people about this question and they wouldn't care . Our parents probably gone with ppl who dated ppl or spouse around a similar age gap or longer.
@@Achieme hey listen if you find it normal to be in college and go after a high schooler live your life just don’t be surprised when people continue to call you a creep including those girls
Damn. Three seconds in, and I already misheard something. Although I kind of like that original symbiote origins about it, not liking being separated. I mean, Peter didn't really need to take it off.
Hey sorry this is out of topic but I've been enjoying a lot of your content lately and i was wondering if you are a fan of classic ben 10 series..? if you are i'd love to see your take on it.. anyways thank you so much for making these videos.! (edit) I also love your music choice! they fits perfectly!
It’s just funny to me how the spider man 2 video game and the venom standalone movies got venom so wrong, how they messed up such an easy spider man storyline is beyond me
Being honest. I don't blame Peter for lashing out at his classmates. Most of them have done nothing torment and humiliate him for years. Knowing his parents died in a big plane crash. Still continuing doing it even after Uncle Ben was killed. Where was their so-called help then? Peter is right. Unless they can provide money which some definitely (Gwen who's dad is a Police Captain and Harry who's dad is a freaking millionaire) then they keep their so-called help. Because holding his hand isn't going to get the bills paid. Flash had no right to call Peter stuck up. Since he ditched Peter after his parents died. Looking back on The Spectacular Spider-Man show. Mary Jane Watson is the only one who I call Peter's one true friend and true love. Since she was going to be his wife and baby mama just like in The Amazing Spider-Man Renew Your Vows and Ultimate Spider-Man (2024). MJ is the only who hasn't betrayed him or insult him. A major reason why. Is because she knows that Peter is Spider-Man. She saw him climb out of his window the night Uncle Ben was killed. This is why she never got angry at him for taking off and why she defended him so many times. Like when Eddie was insulting him and when Mark was trying to kill Pete. Why she told Eddie that Peter is twice the man he is. Because he points his on life on the line for millions of people. Even the ones who hate him. Like JJ Jameson. So yeah I don't blame Peter for that. The symbiote didn't create this anger. All it did was make him more confident and make him say his honest opinion. In The Amazing Spider-Man Renew Your Vows Venom bonds with MJ and does the same thing to her as it did to Peter. Another cool difference between the comic and The Spectacular Spider-Man show. Is that Spider-Man and Black Cat were a couple when he got the black suit and Peter was in college. Here they only recently met, just had one kiss and Peter is in Highschool.
Not really relevant to the video but do we know if the symbiot actually makes spiderman stronger or does it just make him less inclined to hold back his strength. Because a normal spiderman is scared of fighting rhino but a not holding back angry spiderman basically one shots him. So if venom actually made him stronger that would be terrifying to a huge extreme when combined with the anger issues.
The Eddie age gap thing is questionable but I wouldn’t outright say predatory and it might not make it right, but I’m a junior in high school and I have a lot of female classmates dating like 19-20 year old blue collar guys which now that I type that out it’s definitely weird wtf
Here is the issue though you can like the metaphor all you want but the claim made by the video title is that Spectacular Spider-Man understood the Black Suit aka the Symbiote when it didn't. It did what practically every other television adaption did and threw away it's actual character to make it fit the show's mold. Simply noting that you know that the comics are vastly different already is not a defense of the show, just acknowledging the issue without addressing it. As for Eddie himself, I have less problems with him, most of my issues comes down to his earlier heroic actions not being geinue and just suicidal according to a interview and as Venom not having the trademark obsession with innocence so this Venom kidnaps Gwen and knowingly endangers innocent people which ruins what made them unique as revenge focused villains. The 90s show did it much better in that regard. (On a side note Eddie being a creep is also taken from the inferior Ultimate verse where he tried the same thing there with Gwen, Ultimate!Venom is NOT popular with most of us comic!Venom fans) Adaptions like this is why the perception on the characters that make up Venom is so utterly warped when Venom are outright heroes now of days. Just once I would love to see a adaption that actually cared about the symbiote and Eddie both as characters, not tools, and showed their full journey from the symbiote's misunderstanding with Peter, to the unique flavor of revenge focused villains, to anti-heroes to full on heroes.
20:49 what? 18 year olds are not “grown” they dont suddenly develop worldly knowledge. They sure as hell dont know more than they did at 16 Do you think its fine for 18 year olds to date people in their late 20s and 30s, bc theyre both “grown” right? Unless you believe that, then you should not be calling a two year age gap immoral. Your entire statement there is unnecessary and is full of contradictions of flawed thinking Either you no idea what it means/looks like to be a grown adult, you’re virtue signaling, or VASTLY overestimate your own, & others maturity growth. Especially in only two years? Thats nothing
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Yes I paused to talk about the weird age gap. Eddie is a freshman in college who just met a Junior in high school and decided to try and take her on a date to hurt his 16 year old friend. That is predatory, and weird. I literally said if they met in high school it’s way less of an issue. Let me ask you this if your 16 year old daughter came home with a random 18 year old college freshman while she was in high school how would you feel about that.
This genuinely concerning there is a level of power imbalance in this situation that some of yall not picking up on is concerning.
Let me ask you this, if it was a high school senior and a high school sophomore is that weird?
Yeah this was always something weird, with ultimate eddie especially since that's what this eddie is based on.
It's just a very strange writing choice for a lot of older dudes to seemingly write in stories where legal adults try to hook up with underage girls. Like obviously for many, it's showing how much if a scumbag that character is. But still it's not always necessary and sometimes gives off the opposite vibe as if it's not meant to be weird whether that's intentional or not.
Outside of states with statutory rape laws the two year age difference between and 18 year old and a 16 year is not something most people are actually going to question. It's only two years. And like somebody else pointed out it's no different than high school senior and a high school sophmore. I think you're focus on the age difference actually detracts from the ACTUAL problem which is his motivation for asking her out.
What are you talking about here?
It is a 2years age difference, which doesn't matter on the level of mental development at the ages of 16 (F) and 18 (M).
The only power imbalance there is the one that always exist between any male/female relationship were the male has the advantage on the physical and mental sense while the female has the advantage on the societal and legal sense.
Well it is kinda weird it’s also insanely common, 16 and 18 is not the worst age gap, it’s about the same as a high school senior dating a high school sophomore which is still kinda weird. Buts it’s not the worst, if it was written to where Eddie was 20 and part way through college it would be way more fucked up. But I see stuff like this happen a lot it. Was was worse was I know a lot of people (mostly women) who were dating men in their 20s like average age 24 at 17 THATS really predatory yet none of them really cared
I like the concept of The Symbiote not making Peter Angrier on purpose but Peter goes on such a power trip it gets to his head and he feels like he is better than everyone else
Yeah I really prefer the idea that versus just being generically evil. Sure, the symbiote has an animallike instinct while not actually being 'dumb', but its just their hosts crashout and the symbiote is just responding to that to "help it out". If you go around punching guys it'll help you punch guys harder, etc.
That pause to talk about Eddie being a creep is pretty damn good and I'm glad you brought it up instead of just glossing over it.
If Eddie is 18. He isn’t being a creep. He is engaging in a very common thing. A 2 year age difference.
@SivaExperiment It's a difference in the power dynamic. Eddie is not equal to MJ. MJ lives at home with her parents, Eddie lives in a college dorm. MJ presumably cannot drive, Eddie can. Eddie had a job and money, MJ was a student in HS. The gap may be small, yes, but going after someone who has less societal power than you that falls in that gap, even if in this case it was to get back at Peter, is still weird.
Especially when you compare him to Betty who's explicitly rejected Peter asking her to a highschool dance and Black Cat who had no clue Spidey ia actually a teenager and in the og Ultimate continuity, vomits on Pete when she realizes he's underage.
@@varaffxiv2219and yet I really can’t get into that guy’s head because was it the lack of honesty or was it about the parents or was it a weird sense of entitlement to why he hated Peter?
@varaffxiv2219 cry about it. This is literally the "power dynamic" that most women aim for. The main difference between an 18 women and a 45 women is interest not maturity lol
A trope that was first used in this show & it would later be implemented on future adaptations and I really love is the fact that the Symbiote does NOT have a predetermined VA, rather it takes the same voice of the host they is currently residing
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Spectacular just understood Spider-Man in general.
The black suit was kind of like a metaphor for addiction. When things go wrong, Pete resorts to
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Honestly I'm glad they gave more time for Peter wearing the suit than in the 90's show. You see how it develops, causes issues with his relationships and himself. The symbiote actually brings Peter's negative traits like being absent minded, neglectful and having frustration issues to the surface.
Eddie is like his ultimate counterpart. I do like how they actually develop the relationship between the two in this show compared to the Ultimate comics and Spider-Man 3. Eddie tries to be there for Peter and actually forgives him for being a jerk. However, Peter does keep pushing the boundaries unintentionally and causes Eddie to become negative himself. He got with MJ to hurt Peter because Peter unintentionally hurt Gwen during the dance. He got angry at Peter due to being there when the symbiote was taken and just taking a picture. His inner resentment of Peter starts to make Eddie into a horrible person himself which becomes amplified when he becomes Venom.
Honestly a lot of people put down Topher Grace Eddie when he actually contrasts with Peter a lot in Spider-Man 3. Topher is a nice guy who is really terrible beneath the surface and can't no for an answer. He tries to ruin Spider-Man's reputation with a lie and fake evidence. He truly taps into his darkness when he becomes Venom.
Honestly Venom being a stalker and creep were always there but people didn't see those issues of him. They know he fought Spider-Man and became a hero later.
Tbh, the age gap thing with Eddie and MJ wasn't that wierd. 18 and 16 are both kids imo. A 2 year age gap between teens doesn't seem so harmful. Now if he was like 20+ (or even 19), then it'd be concerning. When I was in high school, I felt like college students (even freshmen) were too old for high-schoolers. Now that I'm in my 30s having worked with teens & college students at my various jobs... I don't see much of a difference in maturity between the 16-18 year olds.
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The original symbiote was either a metaphor for or very applicable to a toxic ex who refuses to get over you and hurts their rebound in the process.
I miss that honestly. While Spectacular balanced this well, almost every other adaption since TAS has done irreversible damage to the general public’s perception of what the symbiote is. It’s like a bad game of telephone in which every new adaption writer copies the preceding adaptions instead of the source material itself, hence how we get a very unnuanced symbiote in the recent SM2 game.
The fact we have NEVER had a neutral symbiote story since the comics themselves is kind of baffling honestly. I suppose it’s just an easy way to rush to Venom, but damn. Let this story breathe for once!
1:24 i did not know about this retcon. i think deadpool having the symbiote before peter is, um, stupid.
They retconned again, the reason the suit was made was the same reason peter and black cat broke up... peter's fear of relationship 😅yup the suit feared that peter didn't want him the same way and forced a bond
It wasnt till the rewatch that i realized the symbiote symbol got more in depth on Peter's chest symbolizing how the suit is taking him over.
When I watched this as a kid, and later as a teenager it was a very good story.
But when a got addicted to cocaine and the same feeling of invincibility, rush, euphoria i experience it myself in a way, and it separated me from my family, it almost destroy me. It hit me differently. That battle at the center of the mind of having the substance on one hand calling for you, and on the other thinking about your familly, your friends, and in my case God himself was very real to me.
I think Eddie Brock would’ve made a great Agent Venom. He shows his heroism when he’s willing to put his life on the line in order to help Dr. Connors and Electro
Nah I wanted Flash Thompson to be Agent Venom like in the comics. He was having a redemption arc in the show. He got Peter to realize that his friends were just trying to help him. Turned in the trophy for cheating. I wish he was Agent Venom.
Yes if you think that Peter should have told him the truth and he wouldn’t become Venom because for the PS4 version I believe that it was a weird sense of entitlement to a girl and that is why Harry turned MJ into Scream to be a Bride of Frankenstein of sorts
@@SeyeAwonuga You know what you’re right. Flash Thompson would’ve been way better. After gaining the symbiotic Eddie completely lost it. He went as far as kidnapping his child hold friend, Gwen Stacy. Having him turn into Agent venom after that would be a stretch.
@@srstriker6420for the first part of that comment: wtf are you even trying to say? The grammar and sentence structure is weird and I can't decipher it.
For the second part: it was not a " weird sense of entitlement to a girl." It nabbed MJ for the same reason it was nabbing everyone else... which is something the game can't quite decide. Either Harry has agency and it's nabbing people to "heal the world" ...whatever that means in this context. Or Harry has no agency and it's nabbing people because of a weird sense of entitlement to Peter and it's trying to pressure Peter into taking it back. And the game can't quite decide which it wants to do.
@@anidiot192because like I said about the first part is that I was really confused on why Eddie hated Peter in this series which I could never get in his head because was it the lack of honesty or was it about the parents and that why he wants to 💩 on his life and for the PS4 version of why Harry is Venom instead of Eddie Brock is possibly because they are so much alike if you really think about it.
As someone whose just finished binging Cates and Ewing's Venom Run, I do appreciate stories about the symbiote itself and that relationship. But these stories worked really well for the context of a spider-man show.
i love how the suit changes it phisical shape with time from just a spiderman red and blue suit recolor to a venom looking one
Spiderman 2 Movie Was Goated, because it really showed what Vemon can really do to Peter's Personality. From a Good person to a Jerk towards his friends.
I personally don't see a 18 yr old as a "grown man". Kid literally jist got out of high school. A 2 year age gap for that age isn't weird or out of the normal. Literally a few months ago, he would still be in high school
Just found the channel from this vid, loved the breakdown and looking forward to binging the channel.
The symbiote in spectacular spider-man also communicated more at least within the host's mind, even more so than the 94 version. Allowing us to see it's manipulations on the inside as well as the outside.
This whole thing about the black suit being a metaphor for addiction reminds me of that static shock episode where Richie got his powers through the old man named Ragtag. Everytime I heard Richie say
“I need some more” all I heard was I need some more dope.
Also the episode titled “winning edge” of Batman beyond with the slappers
New record! He said “for all intents and purposes” in less than 10 seconds!
Gonna go for 5 seconds next video
16-18 relationships are somewhat common. So idk what the major Hangup your having at 20:51 is all about. It’s a perfectly fine relationship.
Just because pedophilia is common doesn’t make it right
It’s not the age gap it’s the fact that she’s in high school and Eddie is in college
@ eh I’ll give you that. But then the rant should have been worded better
I will always take a stance that even if the fully evil and corrupting symbiote works for some adaptations it should never be the sole interpretation of the symbiote.
Honestly that suit can be just as much it's own character with how much development it's gotten, and I don't mean in how the venom movies did it where the symbiote is a huge goofball like eddie was in his antihero days.
Some good drama and character moments for it in a few comic stories over the years especially in recent times.
I disagree that Peter was going against his fundamental characteristics. All of the decisions that the symbiote made for him were things that he considered doing on his own. He just had stronger morals to fight against those instincts.
That’s why Eddie succumbed so easily. He was already evil by that point.
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The reason the Symbiote that became Venom became crazy is because previous Hosts drove it crazy.
Hell, The person who Told Peter to try the Machine it was in was Deadpool who wore it for like a few seconds before the Symbiote recoiled from his Psychosis
No, I get the symbiote ark and addiction. But I'd would like to see spider man getting angry and more violent all without having a symbiote
New York’s criminal underworld goes under ground when spidey stops talking
IMO this version of venom seemed more like a parasite than a symbiote, a parasite with benefits sure, but a parasite nonetheless
To me the 2 year age gap between Eddie and MJ isn’t really a problem. I never watched the show so if Eddie acts odd / slimy then I can see where the concern comes from.
Highschool and college students have different maturity levels.
A Grown ass man and a minor? Thats not a problem to you?
CHECK HIS HARD DRIVES!
My favorite part about Spectacular Spider-Man’s interpretation of the Symbiote suit is the fact that it starts off as an homage to the Sam Raimi live action black suit with the white webs, but then as the bond between the Symbiote and Peter becomes stronger over time, it loses the webs and stops being a suit, more like a second skin. This was a really creative and clever way to have both the Raimi black suit and the classic black suit from the comics, really solid compromise.
the deadpool thing was retconned to hell, no character ever acts like deadpool was the host of the venom symbiote at any point, in fact they only ever bring up deadpool being the host of hybrid
Spectacular is probilly my favorite spiderman of all time
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They retconned again, the reason the suit was made was the same reason peter and black cat broke up... peter's fear of relationship 😅yup the suit feared that peter didn't want him the same way and forced a bond
I see that the thread you’re going for but for me, I always hate the fact that Peter wants you learn us at the Symbiot is alive. Just try to get rid of. It could always felt like I’m a ray of love with great power comes great responsibility. The same is not inherently evil it’s got messed up morals but it’s not evil and we see this in the lethal protector stage of Eddie and venom is that the Symbian can be rehabilitated but every time Peter interacts with this it’s always to try and trick it off of Eddie or in someway use it, even though we see the Symbiot absolutely jump at the chance to bond with Peter, but Peter always abuses the trust. That’s why when I get my own variant Parker with the Symbian I had them keep the Symbian and basically teach it because just getting rid of it that’s not being very responsible.
16 and 18 is not that big of a deal. It's only two years. Why are people so apprehensive about this nowadays? Also, being 18 doesn't magically mean you're a fully mature adult. The brain, for males in this case, doesn't fully develop until the age of 25. Is really that hard to believe that Eddie still has some tendencies of a teenager?
33:17 bro pulled out some HollowKnight ost outta nowhere HAHAHA
You know I never really understand why Eddie hated Peter in this series because it was confusing where it was originally all about a miscalculation on a report about the Sin Eater which that was definitely out of Spider-Man’s hands because he should have gone after Daredevil as he said that the real Sin Eater was a cop, because was it the lack of honesty or was it about the parents or was it a weird sense of entitlement as I’m confused about that, I guess reason why Harry is Venom in the PS4 game is that he and Eddie are very much alike and similar.
Earned a subscription. Great vid mate.
Loved this video man.
Isn't Eddie 18 since he's around 2 years older than Peter in this continuity? A 2 year difference Isn't that serious
That doesn’t make what Eddie did here *not ok,* though
I have no constructive criticism, I thought your video was earnest and well made. I never watched this show despite my love for Spider-Man. Can't wait to see what you do next.
It would still better if Peter had his own flaws and dangerous emotions instead of the black suit playing with his mind.
And the suit can be learning from Peter so it can take these flaws and emulate it
First I always love your videos!😅
20:22 I mean he’s 18 and she’s 16 2 years age gap it that wild to me bro..
The best symbiote arc period.
This, Amazing Spider-Man, and maybe Ultimate Spiderman showed a more well rounded Flash that i can kinda believe could one day be Agent Venom.
90’s Spider-Man is the best but this show is definitely second.
20:40 I may be wrong since I myself am only 17 but is 2-3 years of difference that bad?
20:47 Pause on Eddie Brock
If he's 18 and she's 16 then he maintains a difference of 2 years so I don't see it as a problem you're clinging too much. Besides, the fact that he's 18 makes him a young adult therefore he can't be called a total adult, so he won't be that much different from a 16 year old at all
It's illegal bruh, end of story.
No? If you are 18, and date a 16 year old, even the government recognises that's a close age gap. 20 and 16 is weird though.@@RaidenKozuki-x8t
@@RaidenKozuki-x8t Ehh... it's so easy to be ignorant and just say “It's illegal bruh, end of story.” instead of understanding exactly what's inside the person
I think Spectacular Spider-Man will be an amazing narrative for Between Tom Holland's Spidey & The Symboite.
This was a fantastic video. How does the Spider-Man the animated series look so good here?
Upscale to 4K
@@Venxousdid you upscale it or where might I find it?
@ you can definitely find 1080p online but I upscale to 4K myself
2 year difference isn't that big, though?
2 years between adults is different than 2 years between an adult and a minor. also it happening all the time doesn't make it right.
@@mosthatedty9585 16 and 18 is not a big gap the way you're making it out to be
@@mosthatedty9585 facts, college and highschool students are in entire different worlds and maturity levels.
@@mosthatedty9585 facts, college and highschool students are in entire different worlds and maturity levels.
@@mosthatedty9585idk callin a 18 year old an adult feels like a loose term for the word. I mean 18 and 16 these two were literally in highschool at the same time period the 18 year old just graduated first. I think it’s a lil weird bc bro she had like 2 years before she graduates but ion know if it’s predatory it can be but I wouldn’t say it is automatically.
OMORI MUSIC USED HOLY GOD
Do you know which tracks?
@kaidusdream2659 the one I noticed at roughly the 25 minute mark is called Puddle!
This Spider-Man is the best Spider-Man! 😊
Someone knows why there s no épisode on UA-cam anymore ?
hey what music is being used in the video?
My fav episode
God, I would’ve loved to see this version of flash Thompson become agent venom and see what transformation he goes through as an adult.
Going to be honest, I’m not a big fan of the agent when we got in that other Spider-Man show
Maybe it's just me but IDT Eddie dating MJ was/is not weird at all it's a 2 year age and that happens all the time
Agreed.
2 years between adults is different than 2 years between an adult and a minor. also it happening all the time doesn't make it right.
@mosthatedty9585 it doesn't matter how you paint it because it's not a legitimate issue or drastic age gap, this sounds like something ppl on Twitter would rage about because nuance doesn't exist. This happens pretty often ask real people about this question and they wouldn't care .
Our parents probably gone with ppl who dated ppl or spouse around a similar age gap or longer.
@@Achieme hey listen if you find it normal to be in college and go after a high schooler live your life just don’t be surprised when people continue to call you a creep including those girls
@mosthatedty9585 and respectfully like I said this is something ppl on Twitter would rage about because it's not a huge age gap
This man would have cooked in AP lang
Damn. Three seconds in, and I already misheard something. Although I kind of like that original symbiote origins about it, not liking being separated. I mean, Peter didn't really need to take it off.
Hey sorry this is out of topic but I've been enjoying a lot of your content lately and i was wondering if you are a fan of classic ben 10 series..? if you are i'd love to see your take on it.. anyways thank you so much for making these videos.!
(edit) I also love your music choice! they fits perfectly!
I love Ben 10 I grew up on AF dvds
It’s just funny to me how the spider man 2 video game and the venom standalone movies got venom so wrong, how they messed up such an easy spider man storyline is beyond me
Spectacular spider man handled the black suit storyline better than Spider-man 2 ps5, in my opinion
Being honest. I don't blame Peter for lashing out at his classmates. Most of them have done nothing torment and humiliate him for years. Knowing his parents died in a big plane crash. Still continuing doing it even after Uncle Ben was killed. Where was their so-called help then?
Peter is right. Unless they can provide money which some definitely (Gwen who's dad is a Police Captain and Harry who's dad is a freaking millionaire) then they keep their so-called help. Because holding his hand isn't going to get the bills paid. Flash had no right to call Peter stuck up. Since he ditched Peter after his parents died.
Looking back on The Spectacular Spider-Man show. Mary Jane Watson is the only one who I call Peter's one true friend and true love. Since she was going to be his wife and baby mama just like in The Amazing Spider-Man Renew Your Vows and Ultimate Spider-Man (2024).
MJ is the only who hasn't betrayed him or insult him. A major reason why. Is because she knows that Peter is Spider-Man. She saw him climb out of his window the night Uncle Ben was killed. This is why she never got angry at him for taking off and why she defended him so many times. Like when Eddie was insulting him and when Mark was trying to kill Pete. Why she told Eddie that Peter is twice the man he is. Because he points his on life on the line for millions of people. Even the ones who hate him. Like JJ Jameson.
So yeah I don't blame Peter for that. The symbiote didn't create this anger. All it did was make him more confident and make him say his honest opinion. In The Amazing Spider-Man Renew Your Vows Venom bonds with MJ and does the same thing to her as it did to Peter.
Another cool difference between the comic and The Spectacular Spider-Man show. Is that Spider-Man and Black Cat were a couple when he got the black suit and Peter was in college. Here they only recently met, just had one kiss and Peter is in Highschool.
Where's the time code? Doesn't show up even with annotations on.
It should be a chapter on the vid
@@Venxous the vid has no chapters as far as I can see.
Not really relevant to the video but do we know if the symbiot actually makes spiderman stronger or does it just make him less inclined to hold back his strength. Because a normal spiderman is scared of fighting rhino but a not holding back angry spiderman basically one shots him. So if venom actually made him stronger that would be terrifying to a huge extreme when combined with the anger issues.
The Eddie age gap thing is questionable but I wouldn’t outright say predatory and it might not make it right, but I’m a junior in high school and I have a lot of female classmates dating like 19-20 year old blue collar guys which now that I type that out it’s definitely weird wtf
Could have sworn they had ideas for s3 and adpating maximum carnage
Wait when was venom killing Eddie retconned
Deference for darkness
There was no time code
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(lebron sucks tho)
The Deadpool thing has always been a joke pretty much
Get yo facts straight bru
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Here is the issue though you can like the metaphor all you want but the claim made by the video title is that Spectacular Spider-Man understood the Black Suit aka the Symbiote when it didn't. It did what practically every other television adaption did and threw away it's actual character to make it fit the show's mold. Simply noting that you know that the comics are vastly different already is not a defense of the show, just acknowledging the issue without addressing it. As for Eddie himself, I have less problems with him, most of my issues comes down to his earlier heroic actions not being geinue and just suicidal according to a interview and as Venom not having the trademark obsession with innocence so this Venom kidnaps Gwen and knowingly endangers innocent people which ruins what made them unique as revenge focused villains. The 90s show did it much better in that regard. (On a side note Eddie being a creep is also taken from the inferior Ultimate verse where he tried the same thing there with Gwen, Ultimate!Venom is NOT popular with most of us comic!Venom fans)
Adaptions like this is why the perception on the characters that make up Venom is so utterly warped when Venom are outright heroes now of days. Just once I would love to see a adaption that actually cared about the symbiote and Eddie both as characters, not tools, and showed their full journey from the symbiote's misunderstanding with Peter, to the unique flavor of revenge focused villains, to anti-heroes to full on heroes.
20:49 what? 18 year olds are not “grown” they dont suddenly develop worldly knowledge. They sure as hell dont know more than they did at 16
Do you think its fine for 18 year olds to date people in their late 20s and 30s, bc theyre both “grown” right? Unless you believe that, then you should not be calling a two year age gap immoral. Your entire statement there is unnecessary and is full of contradictions of flawed thinking
Either you no idea what it means/looks like to be a grown adult, you’re virtue signaling, or VASTLY overestimate your own, & others maturity growth. Especially in only two years? Thats nothing
33:04 just nvm
Hes dating a minor. Stop trying so hard to defend him and his noncery, its a gross look bud
Just got off work to watch this master piece so stoked 🥲