@@gamemasters It's the only book I've been excited for and preordered to be honest. The timing was amazing too, as I am into my first foray as a DM and the party just started clearing Redbrand Hideout.
I used parts of Lost Mine and Icespire Peak to make a semi-sandbox setting I've used for some Dungeon Crawl Classics. This is tempting, because I'm thinking about seeding the Barrier Peaks in the region, and might have the Mindflayers (well, my own version of Mindflayers) escape that crashed ship & start to terrorize the region.
Same here, Lost mines of Phanadlin has good story and Icespire Peak adds some nice parts (but no arch/story). If this can be included easy without to weird planes/dimension hopping or players being Gods/timetravellers etc I'll get it.
Great concept for the channel. Mind you, thumbing through the book in a shop you wouldn't be able to pull out the map! I played through Phandelver in 2015. These days i'm the DM; i'll buy the Shattered Obelisk to strip mine ideas, monsters and magic for my current and future campaigns.
hehe fair point on the map aspect! I too will strip it for ideas, but.. it could also easily be just transplanted 100% into my own homebrew (which was heavily based on Forgotten Realms so it wouldn't be that difficult for me).
Listen, I've slammed my fair share at Wizards of the Coast for lackluster content and bad business practices, but this book... as I said in the video, it is really good. I'm still pouring through it but so far I'm not finding any major issues at all.
Thanks for the review. Really looking forward to this. Currently I'm DMing LMoP with elements of Dragon of Icespire Peak and my group just entered the Wave Echo Mine. Hope to put some hooks in the mine to hint of possible things to come.
have some odd mushrooms be seen (they don't do anything), have some writhing tentacles pop up from the water then go back under or instead of a stalactite hanging down, it's a tentacle. Have them encounter a cow named Daisy (perhaps not in the cavern itself though) who has an odd gutteral "mooo" She does not sound well. She will pop up a little in Chapter 6...
@@gamemasters That's a great idea that could fit in really well at fungus cavern (area 8), the dark pool (area 10) or booming cavern (area 16). Also the mentally drained animals is great idea traveling between town and the DoIsP adventures. Thanks!
both are pretty good. I will hint at this... Look at Nightstone... there _might_ be a connection to this Phandlever book... I'll divulge more this upcoming week
Thanks for doing this! I'm running LMoP right now and I'm trying to decide if we're going to continue into this and if I should be dropping hints and stuff in now.
oh, I for sure would be dropping hints. introduce daisy the cow, have her moo sound a little off.. (you'll understand more, next week I'm doing a video that's all about her). You could also have some odd looking weeds pop up in town, but they look more like tiny tentacles...
oh it's insane, full of mind flayers and all kinds of cosmic horror stuff. PLUS I'm pretty sure there is an easter egg in there with Baldur's Gate 3... (the cow at the end of the video - but more about her in her own video :) )
The campaign I'm running for my players started with Lost Mine and I planned-well, still plan-to branch out into an original story, but I'm looking forward to seeing what all I can incorporate from this. Already I see how I might be able to adapt the goblins around Phandalin looking for pieces of the obelisk into my plans!
I plan to pick this up and use it to continue a phandalin campaign from the past. I will also pick up the planscape and bigby giants last, as I think those are the last pieces of the 5e timeline.
I've a feeling that the Planescape setting is going to open things up to something... "bigger". Consider this... Sigil was used in the past to link the multiverse together, not like Spelljammer where you could travel to the different spheres, but rather to the different planes of existence. I think we will see Sigil used in a much more grand way; perhaps even tethering things to the Far Realm which exists outside of the multiverse and known planes of existance.
@@gamemastersThat's a fair point. The Vecna story that ended in Sigil was the bring between 2e and 3e, so they may use The Cage again to transition into what comes next. Especially since it's all supposed to still be compatible with existing 5e products. Add in these obelisks that have been scattered among the 5e stuff over the years, the reintroduction of Vecna himself, and the sudden focus on the Illithid (likely taking advantage of Baldur's Gate 3, since they'd already know about the game's story and likely knew about the Early Access numbers), and there's a lot of wibbly wobbly timey wimey multiplanar chaos available.
It's a Mindflayer of Thoon, a group of Mindflayers who ventured into the Far Realms and came back weird, so much so that they terrify 'normal' mindflayers. They hunt other mindflayers and physically overpower them, and then use their flesh to craft masterwork psionic flesh golems, and also use living wire to puppeteer human subjects. Really good weird stuff :D Basically mindflayers who are part of/worship Thoon get flex to equal their Int and get swoll
Very excited not happy the one piece a mindflayer art is taken straight off a google or just a reprint using 3.5 art in the book. If you want a piece of advice a mine run the 5e update of into the borderlands by Goodman games and this module back to back and see which one if either the players liked more. To me lost mines a phandelver and phandelver and below the shattered obelisk would be a fun follow up or starter before running the group through the 5e into the borderlands two parter.
I have only played Chapter 1 as a player, do the session on Thursday should conclude the original adventure of Phandelver and then I need to wait until End of September to continue the adventure.
Only gripe I have is that the maps should be 1x1 mini compaitble. Would be nice with a packet of such maps included with any campaign book. Though... Will certainly buy one for me and a gift to my d/g.m. Besides Fizbans, Tasha, Xanathar and Mordekainens this is possibly one of the more solid books released by WotC recently. Will only but physical though.
yeah, i get the maps issue. I don't know how massive some would ultimately end up needing to be, and I think that that's one major failing on buying digital; seems like it would be super easy for them to make the maps scalable for use with minis, but then again, not sure how some would really print something of that size out if it was presented digitally.
So they're charging full price for the second half of an adventure if you already own lost mine? Personally I think this should have been done like the expansion for the essentials kit did on dndeyond. Or have a "digital upgrade" version at 40% off the full version for those that already own lost mine on dndbeyond.
I don't see it as that big of a deal, I've pointed out that I own multiple versions of Star Wars (dvd, blueray, etc) as each one has something that the previous didn't. The LMoP adventure in here is not a direct copy/paste, yes the overall adventure is the same, but it has seen some cosmetic and aesthetic changes.
@@gamemasters but £15 worth of differences? (the other £15 is the new half of the adventure) Considering you can get other adventures that go from 1-12+ for the same price. Don't get me wrong, i will be getting it to ru on r20, i just think it would have been nice to have had an "upgrade" option for say £20.
Played Lost Mines of Phandelver as my introduction to D&D 5E to completion. Good times were had. The DM ran the adventure as is. One of the most jarring points (IMO) was the BBEG - they just show up out of nowhere. Curious if they managed to address that in Shattered Obelisk. To answer the question if I will buy this? The answer would be no. With the exception of a couple of releases (Fizban's and Van Ricten's Guide to Ravenloft), WOTC's D&D book offerings have been lackluster in comparison to some of the work that's available in the 3rd Party Market.
This one took a little bit of digging... and I can't help but feel this may be a goof up in their original description.. It originally did state _Provides a magic appendix that includes new consumable metamagic items and duergar magic_ and while the metamagic element was blatant enough, I only see one magic item that _could_ be connected to the duergar, a cape of enlargement. It doesn't specify that it's duergar magic but in an earlier chapter it does state that it is found on a dead duergar and given that the cape can increase one's size, a known duergar ability, I'd say this might have been what they were talking about, but to ME that's a stretch and fall short of being even worthy enough to use as a selling point in their advertising. There is a 2nd area where there is also a dead duergar where you can find in cobwebs, bracers of celerity, but again, that's a stretch to connect it to being specifically duergar magic.
I played through Last Mine as I returned to D&D after a thirty-year hiatus. I do plan to purchase this new collector's edition at my local game store, despite the dastardly deeds from Hasbro and disappointments from WoTC.
I look at it this way... IF the product brings you joy and you are having fun, then why not? I get that some dont want to support hasbro/wotc but they are a business after all and that's their goal, make money (not that that excuses the behavior), but I dont think anyone should feel shame in wanting to play.
I was so excited for this to come out but when I finally could look through it I was pretty disappointed. I like the new maps but I find the woke remake and the new extended story really uninspired. Its like a zelda game where your players need to collect parts of something in a race against mutated goblins to fight mindflayers. I wish that they had extended another part of the forgotten realms instead of beating a dead horse of the sword coast. Speaking of dead horses they even removed those. I think it'll be tough to find a group that wants to play it all the way through.
yeah, I'm still not too sure why those two horses were changed... other than "sensitivity" which doesn't make sense for a few different reasons.. but still... Getting past that, which to be honest, is such a non-issue, I mean really, if you want them to be dead, make that happen in your game, but getting past that, we've enjoyed the adventure for what it stands as.
there is certainly original content in here. I look at it like this.. I own the original Star Wars trilogy in 4 different formats, vhs, dvd, special edition dvd, and bluray. I own 4 versions of Twin Peaks, vhs, dvd, gold edition dvd, bluray from a to z collection. I own two versions of Reservoir Dogs, regular dvd, and collectors gas can dvd. I could list several other things that I've got multiple versions of, because each one has different features that the others don't have. I see this book as no different, it's a different version. Even though the LMoP adventure is in it and is largely the same, it also has lots more content that the original version didn't have.
History wise seems good, but is it just another woke propaganda excuse for adventure, is it pushing LGBT and pronouns agenda? I respect all and their choices, simply don't want that in the games I do with my children. Another downside is wizards getting greedy and rising prices...
hmm. there is nothing LGBT in this book that I've seen. As for the price, at the time of me making this comment it's on Amazon for $45.00 : amzn.to/3YWmCo7 (granted, it's discounted down from it's MSRP of $59.95)
Best D&D content on UA-cam I swear.
Woah hah, that's a tall pedestal but thank you for the compliment!
Can’t wait for this book, even though the first 4 chapters are reprinted, I believe the rest should be pure gravy.
it really is, it's a solid storyline.
@@gamemasters It's the only book I've been excited for and preordered to be honest. The timing was amazing too, as I am into my first foray as a DM and the party just started clearing Redbrand Hideout.
I used parts of Lost Mine and Icespire Peak to make a semi-sandbox setting I've used for some Dungeon Crawl Classics. This is tempting, because I'm thinking about seeding the Barrier Peaks in the region, and might have the Mindflayers (well, my own version of Mindflayers) escape that crashed ship & start to terrorize the region.
Same here, Lost mines of Phanadlin has good story and Icespire Peak adds some nice parts (but no arch/story).
If this can be included easy without to weird planes/dimension hopping or players being Gods/timetravellers etc I'll get it.
Great concept for the channel. Mind you, thumbing through the book in a shop you wouldn't be able to pull out the map!
I played through Phandelver in 2015. These days i'm the DM; i'll buy the Shattered Obelisk to strip mine ideas, monsters and magic for my current and future campaigns.
hehe fair point on the map aspect! I too will strip it for ideas, but.. it could also easily be just transplanted 100% into my own homebrew (which was heavily based on Forgotten Realms so it wouldn't be that difficult for me).
I’m running LMoP for the second time and am hoping to continue with this book. I’m really excited about it.
I'm digging deep to find things wrong with it. So far, I haven't.
I still think that Lost Mines is the best adventure they printed for 5e. Here is to this one holding up to that level. 😄
Listen, I've slammed my fair share at Wizards of the Coast for lackluster content and bad business practices, but this book... as I said in the video, it is really good. I'm still pouring through it but so far I'm not finding any major issues at all.
@@gamemasters Good product is good product.
Still not ready to return to D&D quite yet myself, but I'll keep my eyes open.
Thumbs up for the thumb through!
woots!
Excellent Job! Keep up the great work and not being afraid to speak your truth! I really enjoyed the review!
Tomorrow I'm dropping my 2cents opinion of it, I think some will disagree with my view, but... I'm gonna stand by it.
Thanks for the review. Really looking forward to this. Currently I'm DMing LMoP with elements of Dragon of Icespire Peak and my group just entered the Wave Echo Mine. Hope to put some hooks in the mine to hint of possible things to come.
have some odd mushrooms be seen (they don't do anything), have some writhing tentacles pop up from the water then go back under or instead of a stalactite hanging down, it's a tentacle. Have them encounter a cow named Daisy (perhaps not in the cavern itself though) who has an odd gutteral "mooo" She does not sound well. She will pop up a little in Chapter 6...
@@gamemasters That's a great idea that could fit in really well at fungus cavern (area 8), the dark pool (area 10) or booming cavern (area 16). Also the mentally drained animals is great idea traveling between town and the DoIsP adventures. Thanks!
Thank you for making this. I have very warm memories of LMoP. I am trying to decide which campaign to DM next this or Storm King's Thunder
both are pretty good. I will hint at this... Look at Nightstone... there _might_ be a connection to this Phandlever book... I'll divulge more this upcoming week
Thanks for doing this! I'm running LMoP right now and I'm trying to decide if we're going to continue into this and if I should be dropping hints and stuff in now.
oh, I for sure would be dropping hints. introduce daisy the cow, have her moo sound a little off.. (you'll understand more, next week I'm doing a video that's all about her). You could also have some odd looking weeds pop up in town, but they look more like tiny tentacles...
Oh cool this feels like a lovecraftian color out of space sort of adventure XD
oh it's insane, full of mind flayers and all kinds of cosmic horror stuff. PLUS I'm pretty sure there is an easter egg in there with Baldur's Gate 3... (the cow at the end of the video - but more about her in her own video :) )
I can not wait for my copy! Have a group lined up to take this bad boy for a well-deserved outing as soon as it drops.
I'm dropping my 2 cents worth opinion on it tomorrow.
The campaign I'm running for my players started with Lost Mine and I planned-well, still plan-to branch out into an original story, but I'm looking forward to seeing what all I can incorporate from this. Already I see how I might be able to adapt the goblins around Phandalin looking for pieces of the obelisk into my plans!
I'll tell you this... once the Lost Mine portion of the adventure concludes.. things take a somewhat dark turn (which is perfect for Halloween!)
I plan to pick this up and use it to continue a phandalin campaign from the past. I will also pick up the planscape and bigby giants last, as I think those are the last pieces of the 5e timeline.
I've a feeling that the Planescape setting is going to open things up to something... "bigger". Consider this... Sigil was used in the past to link the multiverse together, not like Spelljammer where you could travel to the different spheres, but rather to the different planes of existence. I think we will see Sigil used in a much more grand way; perhaps even tethering things to the Far Realm which exists outside of the multiverse and known planes of existance.
@@gamemastersThat's a fair point. The Vecna story that ended in Sigil was the bring between 2e and 3e, so they may use The Cage again to transition into what comes next. Especially since it's all supposed to still be compatible with existing 5e products. Add in these obelisks that have been scattered among the 5e stuff over the years, the reintroduction of Vecna himself, and the sudden focus on the Illithid (likely taking advantage of Baldur's Gate 3, since they'd already know about the game's story and likely knew about the Early Access numbers), and there's a lot of wibbly wobbly timey wimey multiplanar chaos available.
Thanks for sharing the page through!
thank you for watching! :)
i plan on tack this on to the end of my Acquisitions incorporated campaign
I think that would be a very fun addition to the AI adventure.
@@gamemasters the previous team did the first 4 chapters of Phandelver and I'll see if I can tie the mindflayers from both books together
I remember that picture of a shirtless mind flayer with a six pack.
the mindflayer prophet?
@@gamemasters yes
It's a Mindflayer of Thoon, a group of Mindflayers who ventured into the Far Realms and came back weird, so much so that they terrify 'normal' mindflayers. They hunt other mindflayers and physically overpower them, and then use their flesh to craft masterwork psionic flesh golems, and also use living wire to puppeteer human subjects. Really good weird stuff :D
Basically mindflayers who are part of/worship Thoon get flex to equal their Int and get swoll
Very excited not happy the one piece a mindflayer art is taken straight off a google or just a reprint using 3.5 art in the book.
If you want a piece of advice a mine run the 5e update of into the borderlands by Goodman games and this module back to back and see which one if either the players liked more. To me lost mines a phandelver and phandelver and below the shattered obelisk would be a fun follow up or starter before running the group through the 5e into the borderlands two parter.
I have only played Chapter 1 as a player, do the session on Thursday should conclude the original adventure of Phandelver and then I need to wait until End of September to continue the adventure.
chapter 5 in this book continues the campaign itself. should be a wild ride.
@@gamemasters Ya that's why I'm excited to continue it.
Awesome!! So excited to see this!
It's a good solid campaign, not gonna lie.
I’m wondering if groups who have run through the previous adventure would still enjoy this one.
with what all it adds, I'd say yep. I'm looking at it like this... I've watched Breaking Bad a few times over, I enjoy it each time I watch it.
We played this when it was first published and are playing again with my buddy’s 18 year old son DM’ing. Fresh eyes 👍
I have run LMoP, and am going to run this, but I have a question. Does this book have pre-made characters like the original, or no?
negative, it does not have any premade characters.
Only gripe I have is that the maps should be 1x1 mini compaitble. Would be nice with a packet of such maps included with any campaign book. Though...
Will certainly buy one for me and a gift to my d/g.m. Besides Fizbans, Tasha, Xanathar and Mordekainens this is possibly one of the more solid books released by WotC recently. Will only but physical though.
yeah, i get the maps issue. I don't know how massive some would ultimately end up needing to be, and I think that that's one major failing on buying digital; seems like it would be super easy for them to make the maps scalable for use with minis, but then again, not sure how some would really print something of that size out if it was presented digitally.
What are the differences in the original 4 chapters because I just started myblmop and I'm worried
the differences are beyond subtle, more cosmetic than anything. I'm working on a video that shows the changes.
the LGS book is glossy? not the unique satin they have had for the special edition?
It's more metallic than glossy
So they're charging full price for the second half of an adventure if you already own lost mine? Personally I think this should have been done like the expansion for the essentials kit did on dndeyond. Or have a "digital upgrade" version at 40% off the full version for those that already own lost mine on dndbeyond.
I don't see it as that big of a deal, I've pointed out that I own multiple versions of Star Wars (dvd, blueray, etc) as each one has something that the previous didn't. The LMoP adventure in here is not a direct copy/paste, yes the overall adventure is the same, but it has seen some cosmetic and aesthetic changes.
@@gamemasters but £15 worth of differences? (the other £15 is the new half of the adventure) Considering you can get other adventures that go from 1-12+ for the same price. Don't get me wrong, i will be getting it to ru on r20, i just think it would have been nice to have had an "upgrade" option for say £20.
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Looks like Rich Baker is the 1st writer?
Aye, Richard Baker is listed first, it's in alphabetical order.
@@gamemasters Oh.. I was assuming they list authors in the order of contribution. Thus indicating Baker was the primary author. Thanks!
Played Lost Mines of Phandelver as my introduction to D&D 5E to completion. Good times were had.
The DM ran the adventure as is. One of the most jarring points (IMO) was the BBEG - they just show up out of nowhere. Curious if they managed to address that in Shattered Obelisk.
To answer the question if I will buy this? The answer would be no. With the exception of a couple of releases (Fizban's and Van Ricten's Guide to Ravenloft), WOTC's D&D book offerings have been lackluster in comparison to some of the work that's available in the 3rd Party Market.
watch the video I drop tomorrow. I straight up as if it's worth it and give my 2 cents about it. Some might find it to be a spicy video..
I thought there was supposed to be an appendix with Duergar magic. Is that not the case?
This one took a little bit of digging... and I can't help but feel this may be a goof up in their original description.. It originally did state _Provides a magic appendix that includes new consumable metamagic items and duergar magic_ and while the metamagic element was blatant enough, I only see one magic item that _could_ be connected to the duergar, a cape of enlargement. It doesn't specify that it's duergar magic but in an earlier chapter it does state that it is found on a dead duergar and given that the cape can increase one's size, a known duergar ability, I'd say this might have been what they were talking about, but to ME that's a stretch and fall short of being even worthy enough to use as a selling point in their advertising.
There is a 2nd area where there is also a dead duergar where you can find in cobwebs, bracers of celerity, but again, that's a stretch to connect it to being specifically duergar magic.
@@gamemasters Thanks so much for such a quick response! Super helpful
I reached out directly to Wizards for clarification, if I hear anything I'll let you know.
@alexrognholt6758 I went ahead and made a video featuring your specific question : ua-cam.com/video/D-IwNaiCviI/v-deo.html
How does this book combine with the Essentials Kit adventure, or is that one included as well?
Lost Mine of Phandelver is included in this, it's the first 75 pages.
@@gamemasters LMoP was from the Starter Set, I mean Dragon of Icespire Peak.
Correct.
@@gamemasters And?
I played through Last Mine as I returned to D&D after a thirty-year hiatus. I do plan to purchase this new collector's edition at my local game store, despite the dastardly deeds from Hasbro and disappointments from WoTC.
I look at it this way... IF the product brings you joy and you are having fun, then why not? I get that some dont want to support hasbro/wotc but they are a business after all and that's their goal, make money (not that that excuses the behavior), but I dont think anyone should feel shame in wanting to play.
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so its a sequel to LMoP then?
Sortav but not exactly. It includes the lost mines adventure, but then expands it into a campaign that goes well past the original adventure.
@@gamemasters Could you run LMoP and slide right into this new one? Do the levels match?
@@RPGrandPaTabletop yep, they match.
Man kinda let down that they did not improved LMoP itself that much. There's many space to do that.
this video will show a few of the changes : ua-cam.com/video/0lyIvk1HJm8/v-deo.html
@@gamemasters dope!
To me "Phandalin" is not pronounced "fendelin", i say "fen-dah-lin", but thats just me
dunno, that's how we've always pronounced it.
considering its made up how would anyone know? Personally we say Fan da lin
I was so excited for this to come out but when I finally could look through it I was pretty disappointed. I like the new maps but I find the woke remake and the new extended story really uninspired. Its like a zelda game where your players need to collect parts of something in a race against mutated goblins to fight mindflayers. I wish that they had extended another part of the forgotten realms instead of beating a dead horse of the sword coast. Speaking of dead horses they even removed those. I think it'll be tough to find a group that wants to play it all the way through.
yeah, I'm still not too sure why those two horses were changed... other than "sensitivity" which doesn't make sense for a few different reasons.. but still... Getting past that, which to be honest, is such a non-issue, I mean really, if you want them to be dead, make that happen in your game, but getting past that, we've enjoyed the adventure for what it stands as.
4 chapters reprinted. I am a little disappointed
I own 4 versions of Star Wars, 2 versions of Saw 1, etc. I look at this book the same way, sure the original is in there and so is some extra stuff.
So like Disney, they can't make original adventures anymore
there is certainly original content in here. I look at it like this.. I own the original Star Wars trilogy in 4 different formats, vhs, dvd, special edition dvd, and bluray. I own 4 versions of Twin Peaks, vhs, dvd, gold edition dvd, bluray from a to z collection. I own two versions of Reservoir Dogs, regular dvd, and collectors gas can dvd. I could list several other things that I've got multiple versions of, because each one has different features that the others don't have. I see this book as no different, it's a different version. Even though the LMoP adventure is in it and is largely the same, it also has lots more content that the original version didn't have.
History wise seems good, but is it just another woke propaganda excuse for adventure, is it pushing LGBT and pronouns agenda?
I respect all and their choices, simply don't want that in the games I do with my children.
Another downside is wizards getting greedy and rising prices...
hmm. there is nothing LGBT in this book that I've seen.
As for the price, at the time of me making this comment it's on Amazon for $45.00 : amzn.to/3YWmCo7 (granted, it's discounted down from it's MSRP of $59.95)
@@gamemasters that is great news! Thanks. I am still unhappy to give money to these guys...
oh I understand that. IF all things go well, I'll be uploading my "2 cents Opinion" on this Phandelver book tomorrow (Monday, August 28th).